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Performance in ICS/CM9 roms

I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
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incorrect.

admanirv said:
I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
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What? ICS is more powerfull than any blur rom...

way better than GB bro

I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me

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I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me
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video playback (HW decoding) and flash player are what's holding me back.
On the rom that you tried, have you tried those functions?

Honestly, if I didn't have a lapdock I would be using jokesax build as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do smoothly. Only problem is when you plug it in the lapdock, it's just an android tablet with no touch screen. Using that trackpad as your finger is not fun. Otherwise, the CM9 stuff is great.

Okay so the tegra drivers for ICS are present in the CM9 roms or is it some bespoke driver?
H/W decoding and camcorder are what keep me away from the ICS roms atm.
Thanks

Any custom can be good!
Correct me if Im wrong but as far as I can tell the big differences between ICS and GB are seen in stock roms.
And Custom Rom is USUALLY zipaligned, deodexed, converted to ext4.
Sometimes Developers (like notorious) build awesome mix of both, and put in they're own unique tweeks. Notorious's Neutrino 2.6 for instance runs graphics entirely from the GPU among some other tweeks, and you WILL NOT find a smoother faster rom. WILL NOT!
Now the only real ways we have to test out phones "performance" is with benchmarking apps like antutu and quandrant. But honestly their outcomes tend to vary so much, its hard to go by what they say.
But just so everyone knows, my best bechmark "score" on antutu was 7047 with cm7 oc'd to 1.45 (which is gingerbread by the way)
Ive benched every rom from all of Jokers cm9's, to every miui (GB&ICS) as well as all the CM7's and builds based off them (neutrino, morrisoftgen). Even BLUR based roms like dorians redpill and The Darkside by nottich.
All im saying is that I think both builds have the potential to be equally as powerful as the eachother.
PLEASE if Im completly wrong about ANY of this I would like to be corrected, but please make sure its with CORRECT information, lol.
Thanks!

CM9 anTuTu
Also, the best score on antutu ive gotten on any one of the cm9 jokersax builds with faux 1.45 oc kernel was about 6900!
So, so far Custom GB roms are best so far according to benches

I think the gb rooms perform a little bit faster...using cm9 4.0 jokersax and its laggy opening my app drawer and little laggy moments too..cm7 was a little bit faster though imo
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ICS ROMs still aren't very good with 2D hardware acceleration. And that means 2D is still gonna be slow and jerky.

ICS
I am running with jokersax ics rom, it is great, and the performance is better than the OTA 2.3.5 from Bell.. it took a bit to get the bootloader unlocked, etc.. it seems like I flash roms daily now... Unfortunately, there are still bugs... the most utd rom does not seem to take pictures properly, causes the app to lock up, and the video cam is no usable at all.. :\ I have reverted back to the 0.3.3 rom, and it will take pictures... as far as 2d/3d games are concerned, I play world of goo, hot pursuit, angry birds space and they all run great...
Motorola has ics update in progress as we speak, and they should be rolling out in a couple months, which means any lost code or functions that are n/a now will be rippable from the official... so either way, you can use the ota now or get a taste of ICS with a few problems...
flashing only takes about 5 minutes anyhoo, so its not like you can't switch back and forth....
I find ICS to perform a little quicker, my 2 cents.

Performance
Personally I have used Jokersax's and turl's builds (using turl now, but downloading jokersax 0.4.4 now). Both have really very good performance, especially compared to stock, I would say they outperform it by a long way, but yea, 2D graphics aren't brilliant and the camera was borked (although jokersax has apparently fixed that). I would say definitely change to 4.0.4 just because it is the latest android version and everything about it is soo nice, no blur to bog it down and while I am sure that many 2.3 roms can perform better, sometimes, it is best to choose user experience.

im on turl's latest and find scrolling to be so utterly smooth on ics easily replicating the smooth scrolling experiene on iphone whereas GB always had that slight jittery scroll which always annoyed me. I use apex launcher which i find to be smoother than trebuchet and with that all in all id say performance seems smoother than back on GB

I'm using CM9 both on HPtouchpad and Atrix.
And I can say that Atrix's 2d acceleration is not perfect yet.
It is almost perfect when we scroll lists.
But not when we scroll home screen with wallpaper scroll option.
And some people will think that browser's acceleration is perfect,
but it is not yet when it comes to complex web page.
It can be even more faster. I found that when I used cm9 on hp touchpad.
(Of course, turl and jokersax are doing great job. We have to blame motorola and nvidia )

I find cm9 to work very well, although there are the browser issues mentioned elsewhere.
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Transformed from a turd to a star.. GB to ICS

Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest stunner and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Thanks for your opinion that 5 million people like to buy turds at $600+ a pop
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Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top,
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shure2 said:
Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest shutter and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Even though I agree that ICS on the Note is very neat and improves many aspects of the device, at least in my case Gingerbread was not that bad either!
Perhaps the only gripe was the small lag on wake, but other than that it was buttery-smooth out of the box and after the 380+ apps I usually end up installing.
I think it all comes down to what your carrier have done to it and what firmware version you got it with in the first place.
Cheers!

I wouldn't call The note a turd!! ,it is a bit slower than the unrealistically buttery smooth SGS2 but not by much.
and since the sgs2 was more smooth than an Iphone4 (my own experience) ,then I'd say that the note is doing just fine on GB.
although ,I'm really looking forward to trying ICS ,it's just the Idea of me flashing ICS bootloaders for a "beta" that's putting me off ,or have I got this part wrong ,and I don't need to change bootloaders?

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...When I first booted it up this morning...
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I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.

A turd really a bit too much but I do agree with OP, gingerbread Note left many things to be desired and I am on ICS stunner now, only thing I missed is full function S-pen.
I do hate touchwiz in guts. It does nothing but crap out our beautiful Note
If I had to choose , HTC has best software development for proprietary software user experience. While Samsung has the best specced hardware.
Note with pure aosp/aokp ICS is the best phone available today
Just my opinion.
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I love ics but if gb could get tablet mode I could care less about ics.
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You think the Note is a turd on GB?
Try coming from over a year with a Dell Streak stuck at 2.2.2
THAT was painful!
The note with GB 2.3.6, and Go Launcher EX, FLIES...at least it does for me.

Haha yep I had a Streak over the year and it was developer Dj_Steve that saved it for as long as it did. Even though the Note is better in most regards if got a soft spot for it as it was my first real awesome device. Why? Because it was 5 inches Never selling that, great memories.
There was only one reason that prevented me from getting the Note on release and that was touchwiz. But a couple of months ago I got one and enjoying it. Waiting patiently for ics but most likely once the spen apps work on osap ill move to that. I just love the experience of vanilla android that I had on my Streak.

Well stock GB left much to be desired but after the Devs did their magic it was great. Going to ICS and Stunner made my Note just the way I wanted it. But overall the phone was always a winner to me just for screen size alone lol but I do miss the S-pen apps.
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100% agreed. I didn't buy the Note because of Touchwiz or the S-Pen really...I bought it for its awesome screen. As an Android fanatic, knowing that I could change the firmware to whatever I wanted, made it an easy buy. Most "normal" people couldn't tell you what phone they have let alone what version of Android they have, if they even know it's an Android phone to begin with. But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general. If I was stuck with what Samsung offered me, I wouldn't have ever bought the Note in the first place.

madbird said:
I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.
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I spent half the day using apps I would normally use (xda, opera, youtube, bbc app etc) and every single one was faster on my desire z with a custom rom (no games however). For me it doesn't take days to work out how good a rom is, I've been a serial flasher for years, and I'm sure lots of others can work out how good a rom is in a few hours. Maybe the desire z is an unfair comparison because it's so good when modded? But this has twice the ram, probably nearly twice the cpu performance so I was expecting a great performance out of the box.
Maybe I got a dud stock rom? (la6) If I'd have heard the headset quality in the store I wouldn't have brought it, but it's massively improved in ICS which I haven't seen said here. Obviously this is all down to personal preference, but the distortion and lifeless high ends were very noticeable before.
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The Mighty TouchWiz
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But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general.
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This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.

I myself like the TW,here is what I am gonna do:Wait for the official ICS to be released,and after that will get the best custom ROM based on it with least bloatware,and flash.,of course will make sure that I test all of them first and get whatever suits me the best.
Thats what I did with my HD2,and PDA2K long time ago,and was very happy,on my HD2 I have chosen one of the least known ROMs but very light CleaNex STD,and couldnt be happier.
And plaease dont come out and advice me that that kind of ICS ROM already exists for the Note,this is a personal approach and I am willing to wait.

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I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it...
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And yet you bought one!
So maybe a lot of us are expecting great things from devs and the ICS stock build when it eventually arrives!

"but I do miss the s-pen apps".
Well why not just flash a rom that supports them, try it out, see how you go! If you don't like it, just go back to stunner.
I'm using midnote1.0. I believe you can use alba aswell. S-pen apps are working very well. For me, ICS is a massive improvement on GB. Everything is working instantly, and properly too. It really makes a difference.

GAH. Comparing stock anything to an XDA custom Rom isn't fair for a start. Put the latest RocketROM GB v23 up against Stunner and we'll see a contest.

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This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.
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TW is not that ugly , and it's definitely not laggy at all ,like you mentioned it's actually the smoothest launcher of them all.
But to be honest ,TW on the note is not as smooth as TW on the SGS2 ,actually the whole stock experience is a lot less refined than the SGS2 ,the launcher tends to reload on the note when a heavy app is loaded ,and that never ever faced me on the SGS2 before.
and since the note's hardware is on par with the S2 ,I'm actually very excited to what improvements ICS will bring along , in comparision I wasn't excited at all for the S2 ICS update cause it was perfect as it is.
but That's not to say the note is a turd to begin with ,far from it actually.

No, you don´t mess with the bootloader by installing ICS stunner. If you mess up your Note, you can allways flash a stock rom through PC Odin and start over.
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Touchwiz is more than just a "launcher." It's a complete UI overlay...and it's ugly, and it's laggy. Maybe I didn't get the same phone everyone else did, no? Touchwiz launcher itself is clumsy and slow, and I personally think it's terrible. I don't know where you people getting off saying it's the best launcher you've ever used. Have you tried them all?

Movement Back to GingerBread

So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. I remember GB was a lot faster than ICS, but geez I did not remember it being this fast. EVERYTHING opens and closes quicker, touch responsiveness is amazing, screens swipe lightning quick, and I'm sorry, even though I did realize ICS improved battery life a little bit from my initial impressions, GB is giving me better battery life than most of the ICS roms I have used. Most importantly to me though, my phone has simply just become more of a joy to use. And less of CHORE. ICS makes texting a pain in the ass. And not only that, but basically doing anything, browsing, having to constantly re-press anything, scrolling.......omg scrolling. Going down your facebook newsfeed is definitely a chore on ICS. Seeing as it goes up a little, half the time you scroll down. But typing is probably the biggest thing for me, since I text a decent amount. I even installed the same GB keyboard I'd used on gingerbread roms (it's a modified stock gb keyboard called "gingerbread keyboard") which I had been able to type so quick and so accuretly with (except for the occasional double letter that the keyboard puts in), but on ICS it was just as inaccurate as any other crap keyboard I'd try out. You just have to type slowwwww, and press hard. Who the hell wants to use their phone like an old person? I sure don't. ICS makes my phone a chore to use.
I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
Things I'd be missing from ICS: brightness minimum and maximum (having a lower min is really appreciated in my room at night - some later GB roms have this implemented though), the updated Gallery (soo much better on ICS), some features that are nice to have but I don't really change anyway (screen mode, gamma sensitivity, etc.), Chome (LOL jk, chrome sucks **** on mobile), better default video player, having my phone say 4.03, 4.04, or 4.1.1 that's about it. Lemme know some other things you'd miss from ICS if you were to revert back.
Also, I have tried most roms for ICS, ranging from AOKP, AOSP based roms, CM9, Sammywiz ones, MIUI variations. Just for reference, I've tried Shishir, Ressurection AOKP, Foxhound's roms, Basically all of Kaffee's roms, cMIUI, RGUI, AdyScorp's V4, AOKP official, Rootbox, etc. My favorite of those personally was probably Ressurection, and cMIUI. Not a huge fan of AOKP (or the wole CM interface), so cMIUI a bit more.
Btw, the GB rom I'm referring to is AdyScorpius' MIUI GB. Fastest rom I've ever used, period. Battery life from what I remember was not even that good (I mean it's MIUI) even compared to other MIUI's. So considering that I'm noticing it to be on par, if not better than ICS I was running, is noteworthy.
Lay your comments down below.
EDIT: Oh and I've tried a few JB roms already, including CM10, Kaffee's CM10, and X-treme's CM10 based rom. To be honest it's really smooth (coming from ICS though), however it's wayyy too early in the game to compare it to GB for me. To be quite honest, it's really smooth and relatively fast, but since it's still based on ICS, I doubt it will ever feel as good as GB.

I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. [...] I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.

Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.

We already had these kind of threads before

i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread

The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I downgraded from ics back to GB 2.3.4 due to ics bugs, lag on the touch screen (sometimes felt like a resistive screen) jerky swipes between home screens, black screen of death, random shut down and disappearing widgets. Like the op says, GB was a revelation again and the galaxy feels reliable, responsive and fast again. I'm staying put now till next year when my contact ends, I came from iPhone to android and maybe it will be wp8 next, or maybe a galaxy s3.....
I miss the face unlock, swipe to dismiss notifications and the task manager of ics, that's about all
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I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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I'm hoping the same thing man haha. But honestly I'm not having my hopes up anymore. I know that the CM10 preview builds don't have HW Accelerator working, and that the sensitivity does seem a bit better than ICS (more in the 'ok-eh' category instead of 'bad' like ICS), but I've seen a couple builds that claim to have HW Acceleration working, so if that makes a drastic improvement we'll see. Honestly I thought when ICS came out that it was just early in developemnt and that they'd work out the jags and stuff....yeah no. It's 3 months later and performance-wise it's relatively similar. AOKP has gotten much smoother though, but there's only so much you can do.
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.
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I really appreciate your comments, especially coming from someone who has experience with kernels, it gives the whole discussion a little more validity. Wake lag is definitely annoying, honestly that's one of those things that by itself, you would think could be dismissed, but when added to the touch sensitivty, and sluggishness, just makes you think..what the hell.
Btw I was actually looking at WIUI last night by chance and also saw that he actually is updating his GB version. I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. He's got a 6.29 version out, and in the comments he said he would do 8.4 (around there). I'll probably flash that, as my April GB rom is probably really outdated....hah.
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Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.
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I agree with you that it probably would have made a lot more people happy had they stuck with a thoroughly upgraded GB instead of making a new platform. However although ICS sucks performance-wise (interface, anyway), it is actually pretty good in terms of efficiency. If you notice while restoring text messages or installing something via titanium backup, or shutting off your phone, things run quicker on ICS. ICS is more efficient, for sure. Which is why I hate even more how it is, because it has potential but for some reason still just completely sucks.
I'm gonna have to rant on google: *these are new thoughts just realized a minute ago* Google is definitely behind the ball in terms of what they're releasing. Google has always been out of touch with the people[/B. I'm only 20 but I was able to pick this up over the last couple years. They suck at knowing what people want, or at least are too hung up with their own projections that they don't see the people in which they're serving. You can tell google doesn't know what they're doing because you see it in everything they do. Example 1) Changing Android Market to Google Play Store. Obviously, there are plenty of reasons for them to do that (main probably being to get their name out - not everyone knows android is google based, and also to put all their apps into one [google music, google books, ect]), but they could have done that without changing the name to something EVERYONE HATES. Example 2) Google chrome (desktop). I use Chrome on my home PC. It's really fast. Other than that, I hate everything about it. The interface is styled, but looks like it was organized by an amateur, and is poorly structured. Functinoality is splintered and not well thought out. Firefox beats it in every single category, except for performance. Wish I could go back to firefox. Example 3) Chrome (Mobile), this app is unstable, and probably the slowest browser on the market...and yet it is the only video playing browser available on JB (no flash anymore)... Firefox BETA is 300% more stable than chrome's Non Beta app.
GB was fine, but ICS's regression is total bull (and I'm not talking to official update - samsung), and honestly as mentioned above it is just debasing them for the future. Honestly, I had an itouch for a couple years, and have used countless friends iphones over the years, so I know what it's like. Just the simple fact that going back to MIUI GB has made me the happiest I've been in a while...is saying something. I hate to be the ass who brings up negative things, but if they had been doing things right in the first place, things wouldn't have to be mentioned. I'm not too picky, but I do demand quality. Although I've never even considered it in the past, I'm looking forward to seeing what they're rolling out for the iphone 5, cus it may actually make a difference in my next phone.
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We already had these kind of threads before
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I saw one, but it does not discuss the same thing..it meerly has the same subject. This thread heads in a much different direction, also the former post is outdated with the progression of ICS currently.
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i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread
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You may find one! I know finding official releases past 4.x.x is hard. WIUI is pulling from somewhere though, I know that. Could be it's all just his own input.
Dark Emotion said:
The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I know ICS has better range for WIFI, other than that I don't know the actual differences.
*Sorry for long post*

It is not the range, it is wpa2 thing...
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Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!

i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.

ithehappy said:
Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!
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Lol I hope you're not trolling. Honestly I doubt GB has much of anything that ICS doesn't have. Except ICS option menu is dumb (although samsung's gb is RETARDED), and GB has more simple, intuitive button layout (delete, menu key layout, etc.)
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i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.
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Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time

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Lol I hope you're not trolling.
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Whatever I do, I'll never troll.

after brick my phone with the so called chip bug and change the mb after paying 100 with the same chip with a bug, flashing XWLPO and then XWLPT I decided to go back to 2.3.4. My battery last +2 days (everything disabled and underclocked) and everything looks smooth enogh for me. If you want a cool interface like ICS has (I see no reason at all to run ICS other than the interface) just install the free version of Go Launcher

Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time
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no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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Whatever I do, I'll never troll.
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Good to hear it :good:
heavens dragon said:
no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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Oh I gotcha. Yeah honestly stock camera blows all the other cameras away. Stock ICS camera is pretty decent too, but the button on stock gb is the best. feels more secure, and focus is instantaneous with press. MIUI (GB) is decent too except I found the quality a little worse and instant focus a little less accurate. Anti-shake is terrible on MIUI camera too.

Wow GB. Amazing memories .I think the best GB was XXKI4. But what can I know... I had GB for 2 or 3 months since this year's winter and then Boom! Boot loop. You know why guys?? I had brand XWKI4 and there were battery mods for XXKI4.So I flashed those ;p. And then came XXLPS.Now I am on LQ7 but It's not the same. Thanks bro I was waiting for man wich will lead me to GB. BTW first rom for SGS2 is XWKDD so?! Coman guys we have Gingerbread to flash
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can someone link the "best" (in his eyes) gb roms ?
i would love to try a few if they are really faster than ics (smoother).
was so close to try cm10 but so much stuff needs to be fixed...
for me the most important thing would be cam and a smooth feeling.
and can i use nova launcher prime on gb (is it looking the same?)
i never tried gb (my s2 came with ics, so....)

I haven't used GB since I got my S2, but I used it exclusively on my original S. When I moved from phone to phone I found the speed increase of GB on an S to ICS on my S2 simply mind blowing. I know it's nearly a 200% processor boost, but still. Now I'm using JellyBean. I get a full day of near constant use with an extended battery. (I'm a teen, we text all the time, so it gets a pretty heavy workout.) and the speed BLOWS AWAY Gingerbread and ICS without question.
So no, I don't miss it personally. And I'm using SwiftKey, which is an absolute dream. Way better than any stock kb I've ever used.
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[Q] ICS vs GB for HD2

I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?

g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.

Nigeldg said:
GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.
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That's what i was missing, HWA. I didn't know GB had no HWA. That really helped, thanks a bunch

g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
Cheers

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Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
Cheers
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I can confirm that. Above all, the data connection is a very little bit more stable under GB. With some effort, but definitely worth to try DataOnExt variants under ICS or JB! If you have time to do that, you can rise your system partition to about 400MBs and have enough space and power to switch to your HD2 as primary phone!
I'm running tytungs NexusHD2-JellyBean-CM10 V1.4a and it works like a charm!
Greetings

I have been using both ICS and GB and to my experience I think GB feels a lot faster and more stable.
Loading a couple of hundreds of SMS messages in ICS for the first time takes ages (while in GB is considerably faster), frequent freezes forcing to take battery out, etc.
On the other hand ICS has more features (HWA, Sound Profiles, Lock Screen Widgets, Quick Settings in Notification, better screen resolution) and I think has better in-call quality than GB.
A word of warning though. The stability and responsiveness depend on the chosen ROM. I personally prefer tytung's ROMS and I usually opt-out for NAND installations (although I have also tried NativeSD version of Jelly Bean with class 10 MicroSD card).
Hope I helped.

GB feels alot faster faster then ICS. and if you dont like the look of GB, try MIUI imo its the best combo for smoothness and stable as stock GB and it looks nice and stylish

Why not keep ingerbread?

Hi everyone, as a mod-addicted user i like to flash all kind of roms, even the strangest ones. recently i fuond that our Nexus S is going to die, cause of old hardware and new softwares require lot more RAM and GPUs. I'm currently using a 4.2.2 ROM, and i'm having a very good time, but don't you think that on old GB roms everything was more smooth and fast, with the best performances and apps were faster than now? I know that is because all was old, and NS was developed under that artictecture, but i have a question to you: why do we all want the newest rom, with the newest things that use a lot of battery/ram/gpu, instead of keeping GB roms that were a lot smoother and fast? GB roms are as secure as JB ones, and a lot of apps run well on both OS.
This post is not a critic, and i'm sorry for the mistakes, i'm not english.

its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...

Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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daniel98 said:
Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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Agreed CM7 was a true upgrade over stock...the ustom lookscreens are just a example but now it seames that CM only has powerwidgets over the stock and a fiew tweaks nothing else, it's to bad really but we kinda have to live with it, thank God we have the best and most balanced single core in the Android world!

Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build

migueldbr said:
Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build
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they are really good, but for me the ui sounds and incall sounds are always to low in 4.2 roms, they are considerably louder in roms up to and including 4.1.2, for me CM10, or hellyBean 4.1, or bb6 are enough, i miss the quick toogles and thats abou it, wel maybe the lookscren bold writing

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its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...
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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks

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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks
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its not the same...there are some really good mods but involve changing systemui and other stuff and sometimes create more problems. Anyway, there are no mods for gb to have JB smoothness. A good solution for JB when it comes to lack of RAM is to use a high bigmem kernel and greenify. Its awesome, does not let apps that you dont need start up unless you manually start them(leaving free ram to apps that matter).
I really see no advantadge in going back to GB imo...You just have to know how to tweak JB to get the most of it.
yeah a lot of devices are using GB, but i bet most of them are not by choice of the user

2.3.x Roms still very good, and loved many of them. When moving to JB there are lots of under the hood changes and many optimizations which make things better. As well as many media improvements. Which allows better apps and better user experience, once I learned all the new features of 4.1 I just couldn't go back to 2.3. I have found that 4.2 Roms preform better than their 4.1 predecessors on my i9020T as well as the many UI improvements. Yes memory is an issue, but I turn on a 1GB swapfile when I'm using memory intensive apps then turn it off when done so I don't wear out storage and it helps greatly.

In the last days of using my Nexus S i got rid of the sudden reboots which i had with all custom roms more or less and with the stock ICS and JB roms too. I think my Nexus was a weak build who barely matched the quality requirements. So i looked out for some older roms and found Oxygen 2.3.7 with great reputation.
Flashed that and: wow. I had a amazingly fast and stable cellphone again. No comparison to any ICS or JB build. I will never go back to a newer rom, as long as stability and quickness are asked.
My regards

Personally, i find 4.1.2 roms very smoother than 4.2.x, and i tried maybe a lot of them. Except some widgets and UI improvements (little), i will continue using 4.1.2 roms with better battery life and the smoothest velocity