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[Q] understood right? WP7 + Android on same SD card? (WP rookie)

Hi
1st of, I've been using XDA for years, but as a Android user. Now, a friend came to me at work and asked if i could root and update his HTC, while he knew I was able to help. But when I saw the phone I could quickly tell that this was not a HTC Desire HD as he thought, as of it came with dual boot. It did have Android on it though, but obviuos that part is already rooted
Now - my Q is. He wants WP7/WP7.5 on it + Android ICS. Is it true that I need to partition the SD card so both installs is located on the SD card? So it will have both 6.5 + WP7 + ICS?
Also how much do the installs take up of space? (recommended sd card size)

part of what you understood is wrong.you can only have EITHER wm6.5(internal memory) + android(sd card) OR wp7.5(internal) + android(sd card).neither of the Windows run from sd card, but only from the NAND memory.
the other part that you got ALMOST right was that you have to partition your sd card.that in case you wanted dual boot wp7.5 + android, because wp7 uses the card as its memory.now you need to search the ''BACK TO THE FUTURE'' rom and read all about dual booting.if you wanted to dual boot wm6.5 and android, you do not need to partition your sd card.
hope this helped

you can use any WP7 ROM for dual boot but i recommended to avoid Back to the future ROM because locking sdcards... use Pdamatejam ROM... also you have video tutorial how to dualboot WP7 and android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356833
you can use any ICS based android ROM for SD/MAGLDR....
recommended this two:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492488
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1361940

multiboot sd is it possible with HD2 ?

Hi is it possible to boot more than one android version on SD card ? I have win7.5 on nand & android on sd. and want to add 2end version of sd android ! i know it's possible with other devices as htc evo & desire ..using boot manager .
regards

hica said:
Hi is it possible to boot more than one android version on SD card ? I have win7.5 on nand & android on sd. and want to add 2end version of sd android ! i know it's possible with other devices as htc evo & desire ..using boot manager .
regards
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Just place the second build on your SD card under a different folder name (with a corresponding Rel_path) and then switch between each build using the AD SD Dir thing in MAGLDR. I haven't actually tried this before (I don't use WP) but in theory I guess this should work fine.

yea that works, its just a bit clunky and time consuming. there's no bootselector that i know of, though, so its the only way, (i think)

but some installed apps in android creates folders in the root of the sd card . they will be corrupted as they will be shared by the 2 builds !!!

I have 4 SD roms in SD & WP7 in NAND, the only time apps get mixed up or corrupted is when you use the same ROM with different build like MIUI & the SII port which also uses MIUI. Not that much of a trouble unless you have critical files/ info you want to keep.
JFF

NAND vs Native SD

Just to know some direct & simple information.
1. What's better(fast & smooth) Android NAND or Native SD(say with a 32 GB class 10 card)???
2. If we change or modify something (eg. SystemUI.apk) how to flash these mods (like in flashable CWM zip files for installed NAND ROMs) in to a installed Native SD ROM???
Any advice??? :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

Native sd.... is faster than nand... provided you have a good ( branded like.. san disk) sd card
Now you can enjoy another OS like wp7.8 or am on nand with fast android on native sd....
You can have multiple native sd.... roms and switch between them easily...
helpful for those who have bad nand blocks
Also read the native sd.... thread for further info... its all there
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk 2

Does native mode neds adapted layout?
I'm new here. The layout must be adapted in native mode? If so, how? On my HD2 running MIUI-GB Nand in mode.

awesome was wondering that myself just got san 32g class 10 card going to give it a go... thx )

wyssothmar said:
I'm new here. The layout must be adapted in native mode? If so, how? On my HD2 running MIUI-GB Nand in mode.
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give the links below a try, it could help.

Curious
pakure said:
Native sd.... is faster than nand... provided you have a good ( branded like.. san disk) sd card
Now you can enjoy another OS like wp7.8 or am on nand with fast android on native sd....
You can have multiple native sd.... roms and switch between them easily...
helpful for those who have bad nand blocks
Also read the native sd.... thread for further info... its all there
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk 2
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So curious Why Native SD with Class 10 faster than NAND
SD Class 10 = R/W Speed ≈ 10mb/s
NAND =? (I don't know but i thought it faster)
am I wrong?

its nothing to do with top rated speed, which is based on a continual consecutive read/write of large block sizes, , writing captured video, for example, , for nativeSD (i.e running an OS) its all about how fast the random read/write of 4k blocks is. Most class 10 cards are slower than class 6, for example, when it comes to nativeSD.
As to why its faster than nand, i seem to remember reading that the nand is a approximately equivalent to a class 5 card.

[Q] Some questions - native sd, hwa etc.

Hi.
1. I've been gone for few months, and I've noticed that there have appeared something called native SD. What is that?
2. Is HWA on ICS fully stable or still has random freezes when using HWA (game or video player) app? I still have freezes in some games...
3. What rom can you point me as stable and smooth? Except Dorimanx and Tytyng CM7 roms...

native sd is the new tech in hd2 history......it uses ext4 partition for your rom internal memory...it is faster than nand rom, you can set internal memory of your choice...no more low space (nand EU hd2 has only 512mb space)...so, fast android on sd card, and then nand is free to install whatever..(wp 7.8 )
try it out..read it..happiness guaranteed
pacman hd2 rom..pure awesomeness

I have clk by kokotas now, and how to set NativeSD?

kubekpop said:
I have clk by kokotas now, and how to set NativeSD?
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Hello kubekpop,
here's the link to securecrt's NativeSD thread. Read the first posts, Especially in post 2 there's information on how to set up Native SD with clk:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1881205
and here's the link to mengfeis excellent thread on Native SD for new users:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1881205
don't forget thanking both of them and all the other great developers who work on our frankensteinian devices!
Have fun
Getrid …

Thanks, but all my problems gone when I found nbh file to clk. Firstly I tried to flash img file through fastboot, and it wan sot a bootable img I think... Now all works fine, and it's really faster than NAND in booting etc...

[Q] NAND with DataOnEXT or NativeSD

Hi,
Could someone clarify to me what is actually faster and smother to run NAND with DataOnEXT or NativeSD.
Before I was running[27 OCT 2012][MAGLDR/cLK]TyphooN CyanogenMod 7.2.0.1 v3.8.9 on NAND and now I'm running NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.1 [NativeSD] (on a class 10 SDcard).
I desided on the NativeSD after reading "My Class10 SD card has 10MB/s R/W speed, but the NAND flash R/W speed is only about 4MB/s. so if we can directly install the ROMs to SDCARD and boot from SDCARD we will get lots of benifits:" in the thread:
[30 OCT 2012][DEV]NativeSD Rom Boot Script for HD2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869673
It seams very logical and straight forward.
But I have found it to be a little NativeSD laggy, it takes a while to load apps (loading the address book for ex.) and sometimes after the phone is in sleepmode it takes a while waking up and being responsive, so now I was thinking to upgrade to the [Dec. 9, 2012][ROM][720p] NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.3a [NativeSD] version (the download link is missing the start so it should be https://sites.google.com/site/nexushd2android/nexushd2-jellybean-cm10/v1-3/download )
Now I'm wondering has anyone tried running the same OS in both NativeSD mode and NAND with DataOnEXT, was it a big difference and was the NativeSD faster and smoother.

acidrob said:
Hi,
Could someone clarify to me what is actually faster and smother to run NAND with DataOnEXT or NativeSD.
Before I was running[27 OCT 2012][MAGLDR/cLK]TyphooN CyanogenMod 7.2.0.1 v3.8.9 on NAND and now I'm running NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.1 [NativeSD] (on a class 10 SDcard).
I desided on the NativeSD after reading "My Class10 SD card has 10MB/s R/W speed, but the NAND flash R/W speed is only about 4MB/s. so if we can directly install the ROMs to SDCARD and boot from SDCARD we will get lots of benifits:" in the thread:
[30 OCT 2012][DEV]NativeSD Rom Boot Script for HD2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869673
It seams very logical and straight forward.
But I have found it to be a little NativeSD laggy, it takes a while to load apps (loading the address book for ex.) and sometimes after the phone is in sleepmode it takes a while waking up and being responsive, so now I was thinking to upgrade to the [Dec. 9, 2012][ROM][720p] NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.3a [NativeSD] version (the download link is missing the start so it should be https://sites.google.com/site/nexushd2android/nexushd2-jellybean-cm10/v1-3/download )
Now I'm wondering has anyone tried running the same OS in both NativeSD mode and NAND with DataOnEXT, was it a big difference and was the NativeSD faster and smoother.
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My friend, no body can help you, Tecnicaly you know the answers but if you have issue is not the problem of NAND or NATIVE.
Keep testing and when you find the right set-ups you know it.
BTW: I prefer NAND with DataOnExt, less transer rate but I felt that type on installation is more stable.
Good Luck.

I can tell, that any jelly bean ROM at the moment is not as smooth as ICS ROMs. Whether it's on NAND or NativeSD. I used tytung's JB on both, NAND and NativeSD (class 10 sandisk) and it was the same on both. Not that smooth, but fast enough.
I haven't really noticed that difference between NativeSD and NAND. I am currently settling on ICS by Tytung which is smooth. I used to have it on NAND, but a few updates later I switched to NativeSD and there was not much of a difference.
Maybe it's just me, you can try and see for yourself.

tom1102 said:
I think nand is faster and stabler ,I never use NativeSD ROM
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The HD2 NAND speed is roughly the same as Class 4 sd card.
Using a file system on the sd card which is faster than yaffs2 and essentially two memory devices (nand and sd) can improve your performance when selecting DataOnExt or Nativesd. Simple.
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