Do you think this feature may come to nexus 10 in the future? I think it's truly helpful, and I'm really tempted to go for the Samsung Note 10.1 instead of waiting for the Nexus 10 because of all it's features like Multi windows (multitasking on the screen), Air view (quick previews) & of course the wonder that seems to be the S Pen, SD card storage, Mini-SIM support (can be a phone/tablet basically), are those amazing features worth trading for 1.7 a-15 processor and the display? cause those 2 things are the only that I can think of that would really beat the SGN 10.1 at.
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Do you think this feature may come to nexus 10 in the future? I think it's truly helpful, and I'm really tempted to go for the Samsung Note 10.1 instead of waiting for the Nexus 10 because of all it's features like Multi windows (multitasking on the screen), Air view (quick previews) & of course the wonder that seems to be the S Pen, SD card storage, Mini-SIM support (can be a phone/tablet basically), are those amazing features worth trading for 1.7 a-15 processor and the display? cause those 2 things are the only that I can think of that would really beat the SGN 10.1 at.
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I've used both devices, and would say they both have there pros and cons. If you plan on using your tablet for work I would definetly go for the SGN 10.1. Samsungs UI adds a lot of useful features, most of which probably will not be implemented on the Nexus 10 including multi-window support. The Nexus 10 has a better display, faster cpu, and will receive andriod updates before other non-google branded devices. Choosing between the two depends on what you plan on doing with your device.
If the SGN 10.1 had the same screen resolution as the N10 then I would have bought it instead of the N10 even if it meant waiting longer for Android updates.
As the Android plateform matures then the updates become less significant and as the SGN 10.1 will receive JB then that version of Android is good enough.
However, Apple got it right when it introduced the Retina display for the screen is what you use the most and the resolution needs to be good. That is why I have waited till now to buy an Android tablet that had a display with a resolution as good as the iPad.
If Samsung improves the resolution of the SGN 2, SGN 10.1 and produces a SGN 7.7 to match the iPad then I would switch back to Samsung because I like the S-Pen which can provide mouse pointing accuracy for selecting screen items.
Thanks for the suggestions, and although I'm probably not gonna use the productivity features that are in the Note 10.1 I guess I should go for the Nexus 10.
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If the SGN 10.1 had the same screen resolution as the N10 then I would have bought it instead of the N10 even if it meant waiting longer for Android updates.
As the Android plateform matures then the updates become less significant and as the SGN 10.1 will receive JB then that version of Android is good enough.
However, Apple got it right when it introduced the Retina display for the screen is what you use the most and the resolution needs to be good. That is why I have waited till now to buy an Android tablet that had a display with a resolution as good as the iPad.
If Samsung improves the resolution of the SGN 2, SGN 10.1 and produces a SGN 7.7 to match the iPad then I would switch back to Samsung because I like the S-Pen which can provide mouse pointing accuracy for selecting screen items.
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Why don't we take Samsung galaxy note 10.1 software once it hits 4.2 and port it to nexus 10 only we dont have that cool s-pen ..........
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QuBe2 said:
Why don't we take Samsung galaxy note 10.1 software once it hits 4.2 and port it to nexus 10 only we dont have that cool s-pen ..........
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Because Note 10's screen is made to work with S Pen the way it does, I read something about it on some other post, about there's a layer in the screen that allows this functionality.
The Note 10.1 uses an inductive pen, which requires a unique panel. There are capacitive stylus's that can be used on the Nexus 10, but they will not have the precision of the Note 10.1's inductive stylus.
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Because Note 10's screen is made to work with S Pen the way it does, I read something about it on some other post, about there's a layer in the screen that allows this functionality.
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I know we cant use the s-pen but you can use a capacitive stylus or bamboo pen via otg ..........and if we want multiwindow we can use their rom ported over to nex10 i will do it once samsung releases 4.2 or 4.2.1 for note 10
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QuBe2 said:
I know we cant use the s-pen but you can use a capacitive stylus or bamboo pen via otg ..........and if we want multiwindow we can use their rom ported over to nex10 i will do it once samsung releases 4.2 or 4.2.1 for note 10
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Well if you do manage to port it to N10 fully functioning, that would be great.
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I've used both devices, and would say they both have there pros and cons. If you plan on using your tablet for work I would definetly go for the SGN 10.1. Samsungs UI adds a lot of useful features, most of which probably will not be implemented on the Nexus 10 including multi-window support. The Nexus 10 has a better display, faster cpu, and will receive andriod updates before other non-google branded devices. Choosing between the two depends on what you plan on doing with your device.
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Actually note 10.1 performs faster than the nexus 10 in every aspect, nexus 10 has faster gpu which performs as middle range gpu with this enormous resolution , and in terms of cpu note 10.1 performs faster and is actually more fluid than nexus 10 when multitasking, 2 cortex a15 cores are nearly equal if not less in power than the quad core a9 at same clock speed and with this screen resolution the net performance will be worse than note 10.1 ,
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Actually note 10.1 performs faster than the nexus 10 in every aspect, nexus 10 has faster gpu which performs as middle range gpu with this enormous resolution , and in terms of cpu note 10.1 performs faster and is actually more fluid than nexus 10 when multitasking, 2 cortex a15 cores are nearly equal if not less in power than the quad core a9 at same clock speed and with this screen resolution the net performance will be worse than note 10.1 ,
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Well I've seen a few VS review videos, that do show a slightly advantage on some features for the N 10.1 over the N10 but overall, N10 always wins it.
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Well I've seen a few VS review videos, that do show a slightly advantage on some features for the N 10.1 over the N10 but overall, N10 always wins it.
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Then n10 wins at what rather than screen resolution? The note 10.1 is a complete device in terms of speed, functionality and apps tell me one thing the n10 can do it better and faster than the note 10.1 here's what note got over nexus 10
- Multiview (true side by side multitasking)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support and 7.1 channel hd sound support
- IR port
- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered
- Browser h/w acceleration
-smart stay and smart rotate
-miracast features
-no cpu throttle and no fps drop in games
-advances anti theft and tracking system
-Bluetooth 4.0 with hd sound transfer
-and allot more
Nexus 10 is comparable to an ipad or some of ****ty asus tablets but the note 10.1 is in a completely new level
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Then n10 wins at what rather than screen resolution? The note 10.1 is a complete device in terms of speed, functionality and apps tell me one thing the n10 can do it better and faster than the note 10.1 here's what note got over nexus 10
- Multiview (true side by side multitasking)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support and 7.1 channel hd sound support
- IR port
- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered
- Browser h/w acceleration
-smart stay and smart rotate
-miracast features
-no cpu throttle and no fps drop in games
-advances anti theft and tracking system
-Bluetooth 4.0 with hd sound transfer
-and allot more
Nexus 10 is comparable to an ipad or some of ****ty asus tablets but the note 10.1 is in a completely new level
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A completely new level that's under some of the ****ty Asus tablets?
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Then n10 wins at what rather than screen resolution? The note 10.1 is a complete device in terms of speed, functionality and apps tell me one thing the n10 can do it better and faster than the note 10.1 here's what note got over nexus 10
- Multiview (true side by side multitasking)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support and 7.1 channel hd sound support
- IR port
- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered
- Browser h/w acceleration
-smart stay and smart rotate
-miracast features
-no cpu throttle and no fps drop in games
-advances anti theft and tracking system
-Bluetooth 4.0 with hd sound transfer
-and allot more
Nexus 10 is comparable to an ipad or some of ****ty asus tablets but the note 10.1 is in a completely new level
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I don't know man, I've played with a note10, and it definitely had some performance issues compared to this tablet. A lot of it I'm sure is due to their tablet form of touch wiz, which I don't think is nearly as optimized as the phone equivalent.
And I'm sorry, but multi tasking shines on this tablet compared to my time with the note. Sure it's got a quad core, but the A9 architecture is a dinosaur at this point, and the memory bandwidth just doesn't stack up, and that's really the difference.
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Then n10 wins at what rather than screen resolution? The note 10.1 is a complete device in terms of speed, functionality and apps tell me one thing the n10 can do it better and faster than the note 10.1 here's what note got over nexus 10
- Multiview (true side by side multitasking)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support and 7.1 channel hd sound support
- IR port
- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered
- Browser h/w acceleration
-smart stay and smart rotate
-miracast features
-no cpu throttle and no fps drop in games
-advances anti theft and tracking system
-Bluetooth 4.0 with hd sound transfer
-and allot more
Nexus 10 is comparable to an ipad or some of ****ty asus tablets but the note 10.1 is in a completely new level
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It depends if you want a pretty and sexy and pure hoe who doesn't give you very good services but is a pleasure to admire or a fat and ugly chick with thick makeup that makes her look like cow but makes you hit explosion much faster when you close your eyes. Personal preference really.
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I don't know man, I've played with a note10, and it definitely had some performance issues compared to this tablet. A lot of it I'm sure is due to their tablet form of touch wiz, which I don't think is nearly as optimized as the phone equivalent.
And I'm sorry, but multi tasking shines on this tablet compared to my time with the note. Sure it's got a quad core, but the A9 architecture is a dinosaur at this point, and the memory bandwidth just doesn't stack up, and that's really the difference.
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You should have played with an old one with old firmware or with a one who is displayed in the market and thousands of people play with it every day, for sure you haven't tried jellybean on the note that is why you think that the nexus 10.1 multitasking is better, and as i see the number of performance problems in your forum is allot more than on the note 10.1 forum, and finally talking about the a9 processors the note 10.1 is built on same Exynos 5250 32*nm HKMG techonolgy and have overclocked gpu than the normal mail 400 gpu (533vs 220), and by trying benchmarks for i/O and memory bandwidth the performed similar to each other but in cpu the note 10.1 performed significantly higher, for sure nexus 10 is a good device but not comparable to note 10.1 in performance, functionality and speed and none of the persons who quoted my post have told me any evidence or a resonable reason that the n10 is better than the note
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Actually note 10.1 performs faster than the nexus 10 in every aspect, nexus 10 has faster gpu which performs as middle range gpu with this enormous resolution , and in terms of cpu note 10.1 performs faster and is actually more fluid than nexus 10 when multitasking, 2 cortex a15 cores are nearly equal if not less in power than the quad core a9 at same clock speed and with this screen resolution the net performance will be worse than note 10.1 ,
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dude youre wrong.. i agree on the functionality aspect. (Note 10 is better there!) BUT when it comes to sheer performance and fluidity there is NO match for the nexus 10 in the android sphere. only the ipad is more fluid on the UI.
Sheer CPU performance is probably pretty close between the two, however you aren't considering the fact that 99% of the apps out today aren't utilising 4 threads. So in 1 or 2 thread operations (which pretty much all apps are) the 2 A15 cores devastate the 2 A9 cores. Benchmarks measuring CPU performance distort results as well; if you take a look at not specifically CPU benchmarks, such as javascript based ones you can see the massive difference. Also the 32nm manufacturing process has nothing to do with the architecture and CPU power so it is completely meaningless in this comparison.
In terms of GPU performance I'm pretty sure the Note is ahead because of the 4x load on the T604, and because the 400 is a great GPU as well. Of course this isn't very noticable as I can't name more than a couple of games that don't play perfectly on the N10 and for general UI and app acceleration the power of the T604 is plenty enough.
In terms of memory bandwidth, the N10 is comparable to the iPad 3 (around 13GB/s) which is multiple times larger than any other Android device's on the market today and that pretty much eliminates the memory as a bottleneck (which it usually is).
Like I said according to many review videos and, many written reviews N10 always perform better than N 10.1 overall, of course N10.1 has the amazing S-Pen feature which makes it a better device for productivity, and the multi window task also.
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Like I said according to many review videos and, many written reviews N10 always perform better than N 10.1 overall, of course N10.1 has the amazing S-Pen feature which makes it a better device for productivity, and the multi window task also.
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I've seen many reviews on youtube that were actually enabling powersaving mode while reviewing (this reduces performance by about 50 %) my advice to you is to try both devices yourself before you buy anything, anyway good luck with your choice, and if you already bought the nexus 10 just forget whatever i said and have fun with it, it is still a very good device
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By better I refer to powerful & versatile.. what about all the rumors of Nexus devices this year?
Yesterday I checked out again the original Note which was uniquely cool but still felt a bit like a prototype Vs. the surprisingly underwhelming S3 which seems like a weak-sauce kid brother of the Note2 & even the underpowered hardware of the Note 10.1 where I could at least test out some of the features (split screen multitasking, resizeable PIP video, pen input etc) that the Note 2 has that hasn't made it to the S3 (will those software features?). If I only wanted another smartphone the OneX variants currently get my vote but the Note2 from everything I've seen seems like the first real supersmartphone or a real versatile powerful pocketable handheld computer. Anyone feel encumbered by its larger size or mainly just empowered?
I did notice that the ladies seem quite intimidated by the Note1's original size & so I do look forward to holding the less wide Note2. I have long fingers so I didn't notice significant issues navigating the original Note but would likely enable gestures like for notification tray etc..(still use currently use GO Launcher)
I assume I'm not the only one here who thinks the Note2 is the current king device in terms of versatility so the question is for how long? I actually value the pen input functionality so it's unlikely anything will replace its reign until the Note3?
I even want to check out those keyboard dockable Samsung Win8 tablets with pen input when they hit as the in-store Asus Transformer Infiinity still with ICS & Note 10.1 still felt laggy..
Considering how many find the HTC One X variants the best in their class (I personally far prefer it to the S3 except for the enclosed battery), I will want to check out the following when its variants make it to the US possibly as one of the rumored Nexus for the holidays:
HTC J Butterfly preview: a stunning 5-inch 1080p phone for Japan (video)
KDDI unveils HTC J Butterfly (HTL21), the first phone with 5-inch 1080p display-"global device. Not bad for a 140g package, and it's waterproof as well, rated at IPX5"
The Note 2's S-pen functionality & software features will likely keep me favoring it but I will want to check this out & I'm feeling more confident that the Note 3 screen will be 1080p unless the battery hit is too brutal. No battery tests on this 1080p device yet..
http://androidandme.com/2012/10/sma...-wanted-android-smartphones-for-october-2012/
Thoughts on the competition?
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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The Tegra 3 is a faster chip.
Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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Cause iPad mini is not even out in stores yet? A good comparison woul just refer to iPad 2 since it uses the exact same specs
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I read somewhere that the Tegra 3 has a faster CPU, while the A5 is better for graphics processing. Don't know how true that is.
This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.
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This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.
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i also looked forward for the apple announcement, even though i wouldn't buy anyways. but the announcement was really disappointing.
but obviously they don't want to cannibalize their own other products, so this product had to be bad and cheap.
Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/
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Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
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You make a good point. I own a Nexus 7, and most of Gameloft's games such as Asphalt 7 and Nova 3 aren't as fluid as I'd hoped, especially Nova 3. I had expected the quad core Tegra 3 to run them smoothly, but I guess due to a higher pixel per inch (ppi) rate, it lags. Even with the smoothest custom ROMs. But considering everything else, I love my Nexus 7 in terms of media consumption from browsing the internet, to watching Netflix. And you obviously can't go wrong for the price. It's a great device.
Are there any hopes that the upcoming 32gb Nexus 7 might have some upgraded hardware?
Toyeboy said:
Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/
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Completely unfair comparison. The 1024x768 is a joke... are you kidding me it doesnt even equal the ppi of the ORIGINAL iPhone. Not to mention its an old dual-core. Good job apple taking a step back to move forward :silly:. Those games are not optimized correctly for the N7 but if you compare any Tegra 3 games to the same iOS variant.. the Tegra is going to blow those games away. Shadowgun THD for instance is way better than the iOS variant. And to sit here and say the iPad will be better at gaming. Well of course its not even pushing HD. And to also say you rather have a non HD display to play games is ridiculous. You should rather be saying i wish developers would put more support towards HD displays.
All in all the N7 is still going to win in pricing alone. The 16GB is 130$ cheaper than the 16GB iPad mini. That tablet is a joke and hope it dies off like every other apple flop.
N7 all the way, iPad can keep it's two steps backwards mentality.
Are there any upcoming hardware updates with the 32gb Nexus 7?
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Are there any upcoming hardware updates with the 32gb Nexus 7?
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No, why would there be?
Just curious.
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When it comes to apple they are way overpriced. Cause they think they are the "right" brand and everything else is "off brand" so they put it higher cause people will buy them. And they will
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Wow... did nvidia brainwash the posters here with the "4plus1 COARS + 12 GPU COAR" marketing campaign?
SGX543 in A5 is way faster than tegra's crappy Geforce ULP any time of the day. and at any resolution...
nVidia's biggest fault with T3 is the crappy single-channel memory controller. Notice how a lot of games default to a low resolution on N7 (GTA3, riptide, beach buggy blitz, Horn) because the memory bandwidth can't keep up.
This is also one of the main reasons gameloft games lag. optimization here would mean lowering the resolution and lowering texture quality.
The four A9 cores are good marketing material, but useless for the users because none will notice the difference in speed. It's only good for benchmark whores.
Also, just because you get some special graphics effects on T3 does not make it a faster chip. The game developers were paid by nvidia to do it.
Any other chip can run these effects just fine.
Toyeboy said:
Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly.
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darkchazz said:
Wow... did nvidia brainwash the posters here with the "4plus1 COARS + 12 GPU COAR" marketing campaign?
SGX543 in A5 is way faster than tegra's crappy Geforce ULP any time of the day. and at any resolution...
nVidia's biggest fault with T3 is the crappy single-channel memory controller. Notice how a lot of games default to a low resolution on N7 (GTA3, riptide, beach buggy blitz, Horn) because the memory bandwidth can't keep up.
This is also one of the main reasons gameloft games lag. optimization here would mean lowering the resolution and lowering texture quality.
The four A9 cores are good marketing material, but useless for the users because none will notice the difference in speed. It's only good for benchmark whores.
Also, just because you get some special graphics effects on T3 does not make it a faster chip. The game developers were paid by nvidia to do it.
Any other chip can run these effects just fine.
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You guys are so picky....
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robertc88 said:
This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.
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If they release a crappy version first then they can release an "updated" version sometime next year with slightly better everything and the sheep will buy both and double the profits for Apple. Same with the iPad 3/4.
endrancer said:
i also looked forward for the apple announcement, even though i wouldn't buy anyways. but the announcement was really disappointing.
but obviously they don't want to cannibalize their own other products, so this product had to be bad and cheap.
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Actually Apple doesn't mind cannibalizing it's own products. See iPod/iPhone as an example, there is no point in owning both really so people choose one or the other, unless they are part of the Apple cult and buy both just cuz.
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I'm looking forward to a side by side comparison of both running graphic intensive apps and games. But regardless, the nexus 7 wins on the basis of price and customization ability.
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azoller1 said:
When it comes to apple they are way overpriced. Cause they think they are the "right" brand and everything else is "off brand" so they put it higher cause people will buy them. And they will
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If people are buying ipads in droves (which they have and continue to do), then they are clearly not "way overpriced" - they are perfectly priced (notwithstanding any technical comparisons).
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My N7 is as fluid as I would want it, I like the different ROMs and the freedom. And for the price, in my opinion is an absolute steal. In terms of comparing CPUs and GPUs, I haven't looked much into the A5, but I have no complaints with games, especially the tegra optimised games. Stunning quality on a nice detailed screen. I wouldn't touch a 1024x768 screen, nor an overpriced piece of hardware. I look forward to when google release a well priced nexus tablet with 300dpi screen and great hardware support.
Until then, the N7 does it for me.
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Hello everyone.
I'm kind of a newbie here.
I joined a long time ago when I had and Advent Vega tab however I have never posted before.
I have the cash in my pocket for a 10" tablet and was looking at either the Galaxy Note 10.1 or the Asus Transformer Infinity.
I managed to finally make my mind up and go for the Note 10.1 and then Google decided to throw a spanner in the works with the Nexus 10!
So, which do I go for??
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the Nexus ten is better in all aspects. the screen is by far better. it has an higher resolution and pixel density than the ipad 3
MarcusSi15: except UI, multi tasking, storage, and stylus support.
nexus runs a phone/phablet UI while the note has a proper tablet UI.
the note has the ability to have certain apps running in the foreground at the same time.
the note also has support for sdxc cards.
and while the nexus can only work with a capacitive stylus, the note comes with a Wacom stylus which is way more accurate.
nexus 10 by far with its screen depth amazing!!!
Easy, buy the nexus. The note 10.1 has a horrible screen on it. My og galaxy tab 10.1 has a better looking screen than the note tablet.
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do youself a favor DONT buy the note 10.1. Im using it now but will return it to buy the nexus 10. screen is bad comparing to nexus 10. software lags...
The Note 10.1 is a great tablet, the screen resolution isnt the highest, but it still looks good. If you in to drawing or writing the Note is the choice, its also quad so gaming is amazing as well, its also does multitasking like a champ.
The Nexus is a good looking tablet too, it depends what you find most appealing, A higher res screen with up to date software, or a specialized tablet that also handles any other task better than most tabs out.
The S-pen is great I want a N10 but dont know if i can give up the S-pen.
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chugglet said:
Hello everyone.
I'm kind of a newbie here.
I joined a long time ago when I had and Advent Vega tab however I have never posted before.
I have the cash in my pocket for a 10" tablet and was looking at either the Galaxy Note 10.1 or the Asus Transformer Infinity.
I managed to finally make my mind up and go for the Note 10.1 and then Google decided to throw a spanner in the works with the Nexus 10!
So, which do I go for??
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galaxy all the way :good:
Thanks for the replies everyone and as I expected, the opinion is divided.
I see it like this:
The obvious Pro points for the Nexus 10 are the amazing screen, the updated software (including the lack of Touchwiz), Google's obvious work on it and the price.
However the big negative for me is no SD Card support.
The Pros for the Note are the S-Pen, the Quad Core Processor, expandable memory & multi-tasking, I'm also assuming that there will be a software update at some point too.
The negatives are the screen (a lot lower resolution but still ok) & touchwiz (however that can be changed with a different ROM).
Both are built by Samsung and from what I have seen, in grey they don't look that much different!
I currently have an S3 and love it so I think I way be swaying towards the Note!!
Gnote vs nexus 10= n10
To be truthful its like comparing older vs newer
1. Processor: gnote's quad core is nowhere as fast as n10's a15 is next generation arm soc with Mali t604
2. UI: touchwiz is an abomination of common sense, its bloated, ugly, inefficient compared to stock Ui
3. Updates: Samsung is the worst OEM when it comes to update, I am running jb on my gtab 10.1 yet Samsung thinks it does not deserve update, ludicrous! But nexus devices are always first on update
4. Community support: nexus devices are more favored by devs since sources are available and thus more custom ROM and overall hacking
5. Display: since it beats apple, no point talking about it
6. Ram: gnote=1gb, n10= 2gb
7. Unless u want stylus ( which is barely useful), sdcard ( I think 32gb is reasonably priced and should be enough for majority) I think nexus 10 takes the win in every comparison possible
U might enjoy your s3, but why would you get less for you money when there's option for more?
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chugglet said:
Thanks for the replies everyone and as I expected, the opinion is divided.
I see it like this:
The obvious Pro points for the Nexus 10 are the amazing screen, the updated software (including the lack of Touchwiz), Google's obvious work on it and the price.
However the big negative for me is no SD Card support.
The Pros for the Note are the S-Pen, the Quad Core Processor, expandable memory & multi-tasking, I'm also assuming that there will be a software update at some point too.
The negatives are the screen (a lot lower resolution but still ok) & touchwiz (however that can be changed with a different ROM).
Both are built by Samsung and from what I have seen, in grey they don't look that much different!
I currently have an S3 and love it so I think I way be swaying towards the Note!!
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nah the dual core processor in the Nexus 10 outperforms that quad core processor in the Note 10.1. it's even better than the snapdragon S4 pro in the nexus 4... (wonder why a dual core is more powerful? google it...)
also price is a big factor here. the note 10.1 is 100$ more.. lol The real pros of the Note is the SD slot and the pen.the nexus 10 is better in every other aspect.
But hey, it's your money, your call.
I wanted to give my feedback on the matter. I have had the Transformer prime and infinity, have had the Nexus 7 and currently have a SGS 7.7.
The reason I no longer have Asus's Tegra 3 line is that all of them have had slow internal storage which caused crashing problems. I considered the Note 10.1 before deciding to get the Galaxy Tab 7.7. The main reason I didn't get the note was that I felt it was overpriced (given I didn't care for wacom support). With the Nexus 10's release, I believe that even more strongly. At $400 for a 16gb Note 10.1, its a feasable option because expandable memory matters.
Nexus 10 vs Note
Pros:
Processor: The Nexus 10 has Samsung's next generation processor which is faster than the Note 10.1's.
Screen: It has a higher resolution, higher technology screen.
Nexus program: It will stay updated to the newest software for longer (and with effectively no wait time). It will have a larger development community.
Cons:
Nexus program: It lacks a micro sd card reader so memory is limited to 16/32gb.
Non-Note: It lacks wacom stylus support. Samsung's Note software streamlines multitasking split screen.
Thanks for the reply wtgserpant.
Some interesting points.
1. When you say the CPU is nowhere near as fast, will it really be that noticeable bearing in mind one is dual core and the other is quad?
2. RAM on the note is 2gb isn't it?
3. Do the current Note 10.1 ROM's remove Touchwiz (or at least the useless crap out of it)?
4. I agree with the updates comment, my S3 is unbranded and I received JB after most of the Service Providers!
5. The Note is currently £399 in the UK with £50 cashback from Samsung (Making it £349). Not a bad price really?
Oh and completely off of the subject, I have just seen your location as New York. Stay Safe mate.
If you write a lot go with Note 10.1 (handwrite on lectures, at work, taking notes, scribbling, drawing etc.) - nothing can match the Wacom stylus, nothing. If not - Nexus 10.
@chuglet:
Ad. 1. They should be similar in practise, though Nexus 10 will probably be better optimised being Jelly Bean and Nexus. Nexus 10 has much more powerful GPU but it is needed for so many pixels.
AD. 2. Yes, 2GB. Keep in mind Nexus 10 will probably have more memory for GPU so it will be more like 1.5GB in reality - but it should be more than enough.
Ad. 3. Touchwiz is quite nice on Note 10.1. I wouldn't want it removed. But yes, there are ROMs without it.
Aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!
Decisions decisions.
I came to work thus morning with the cash in my pocket to get the note but now I'm not sure!
I don't do a lot of writing or drawing but I like the option of having it there if I want to.
I also like all of the obvious plus points of the nexus; updates, processor, price!!
Should I wait until it is actually released and then really come the two?
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:good: galaxy Note 10.1
Absolutely Nexus Ten
I have decided to go for the nexus!
I've registered my interest on the play store so hopefully I will be able to pr-order soon!
Thanks for all of the advice!
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MarcusSi15 said:
the Nexus ten is better in all aspects. the screen is by far better. it has an higher resolution and pixel density than the ipad 3
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I Agree!
I have and use my Note 8 for work when I don't want to carry my Win 8 tablet, but this news of the Tegra Note for ~$200 is intriguing - especially with the performance the Tegra 4 will bring at that price. And stylus support? Wow! I'll have to wait and see what reviews will look like.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7508/nvidia-tegra-note-7-review/7
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/11/12/tegra-note-pre-order/
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/evga-tegra-note-7/4505-3126_7-35831314.html
Honestly I prefer the side-by-side multiwindow that a rooted Touchwiz gives you, though, as that's pretty useful to me when I do use it for work (paired w/ the 2GB of RAM on the Note 8, to the 1GB on this device gives it some edge in the multitasking front as well).
Who knows, though? Due to Nvidia releasing this as a reference model, maybe some manufacturer will license it and sell w/ 2GB and someone figures out how to add the multi-window to it.
On a performance comparison, the Tegra 4 DESTROYS all the other android tablets in this price range, though. Also the footprint is smaller so it would actually fit better in some of my jacket pockets where the Note 8 wouldn't. Also - front mounted speakers!
Tegra note uses a passive stylus, Note 8 uses an active one. All of the features that make the Note 8 unique are not available to the Tegra note. It is no more competition to the Note than a Corolla is to a porsche, despite both being cars.
tegra note
I pre-ordered an evga tegra note for my wife. Not sure when newegg is shipping- they show it out of stock already.
I don't think it is competition for the note 8, I know it is. My wife wanted a note taking tablet and I got the tegra instead of the note 8, which I use. Good pen input is the only reason to get a note 8, imo. If the tegra has decent pen input it will certainly give the note 8 a run for it's money.
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Tegra note uses a passive stylus, Note 8 uses an active one. All of the features that make the Note 8 unique are not available to the Tegra note. It is no more competition to the Note than a Corolla is to a porsche, despite both being cars.
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By passive stylus do you mean capacitive? I know the Note series and Windows Surface use similar technology found in Wacom tablets, utilizing a digitizer. There doesn't seem to be much competition on the Android side for the Note tablets.
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The only reason I bought the Note 8 was for the stylus and thr ability to project it to a big screen(MHL).
I didn't need the quad core processor and 2 gb ram. The work is not that demanding. The microHDMI on the tegra is much better than the MHL.
The Tegra Note seems like an ideal tablet, even 1 GB ram is ok, but I am concerned that the 7.0 inch size could feel a bit cramped.
I expect the Xolo Tegra note to launch in India for about 15K
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I think it's great to have another tablet with a stylus, especially at that price point. The specs aren't as high as the Note 8, but I don't think folks will feel that as much as they feel the difference in price. The most important point of distinction is 7 vs 8. The 30% difference in viewing area really matters. Steve Jobs had it right when he said a 7 inch screen compromised a tablet's functionality.
Here's a mathematical comparison:
http://www.displaywars.com/7-inch-16x10-vs-8-inch-16x10
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Bonisaur said:
By passive stylus do you mean capacitive? I know the Note series and Windows Surface use similar technology found in Wacom tablets, utilizing a digitizer. There doesn't seem to be much competition on the Android side for the Note tablets.
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Basically, yes. Just a better one than those $10 ones on Amazon. Just a slightly better version of your finger.
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afblangley said:
I think it's great to have another tablet with a stylus, especially at that price point. The specs aren't as high as the Note 8, but I don't think folks will feel that as much as they feel the difference in price. The most important point of distinction is 7 vs 8. The 30% difference in viewing area really matters. Steve Jobs had it right when he said a 7 inch screen compromised a tablet's functionality.
Here's a mathematical comparison:
http://www.displaywars.com/7-inch-16x10-vs-8-inch-16x10
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The OP implied that the new Tegra tablet is competition for the Note. That's not the case based on the different styli alone. Anyone who want to write or create with a stylus needs a Wacom one. The iPad can utilize a stylus as well, but it's not the same.
But have you guys seen the last video from Nvidia? Shows a lag free writting and painting with Tegra Note and his stylus, with Galaxy Note we have a lot of lantency. I make beautiful landscapes with my galaxy note, in the start is very good, but it increase the lag as i paint the landscape.
The Note 8.0 is far superior despite anything Anandtech claims. I have no lag with my stylus, and neither have other online reviews.
Plus every 7 inch tablet is crap compared to an 8 inch.
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After watching the Nvidia made video demo of it on youtube, the guy tries to act like the tablet apps are Nvidia apps, but they are not. He even demos that "Write" app, which to me looks like his stylus lags when he writes. There is no way its better than the pen on the Samsung Note tablets.
There is also no way a nub tip like that will feel like a pen when writing. But this is just my opinion.
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TC93 said:
After watching the Nvidia made video demo of it on youtube, the guy tries to act like the tablet apps are Nvidia apps, but they are not. He even demos that "Write" app, which to me looks like his stylus lags when he writes. There is no way its better than the pen on the Samsung Note tablets.
There is also no way a nub tip like that will feel like a pen when writing. But this is just my opinion.
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the lag may be due to settings. you can set the pen/stylus lag, (lag is a lot less than compared to Samsung). not sure about note taking, but the TegraN7 is decent in this area. the drawing app seems much better.
i do feel that the stylus for general touch screen use on the TegraN7 is much more responsive than any Samsung i've tried.
Does anyone here have hands on experience with both devices? If Tegra note can provide decent stylus based writing and drawing support (even with capacitative styluses) it's going to be a big deal for student population looking for note-taking and sketching aid...
I don't think the Tegra Note will be any competition.... However... I would like to side load some of those apps onto my Samsung. Any idea where we might find a system dump or pulled apks?
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D2user said:
I don't think the Tegra Note will be any competition.... However... I would like to side load some of those apps onto my Samsung. Any idea where we might find a system dump or pulled apks?
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I was looking for something else when I stumbled across this thread so I thought I'd weigh in. I've had an Advent Tegra Note for a day or so now.... Firstly, it's very fast. It makes my Note 2 feel a bit anaemic. However, the screen is poor. I don't mind the resolution but the back light is uneven and colours are very bland. Whites look kind of creamy yellow like an AMOLED panel, but it lacks the punchy colours to make up for that so it just looks bland. My partner's Tab 3 8.0 has a far superior screen in comparison, even though the DPI is lower. This is also my first vanilla android device and I have to say I think it sucks. I think I'd rather have Samsung or HTC's bloatware on balance.The stylus is very responsive, more so than on my Note 2, but of course you just don't have the apps and system wide integration on board out of the box to fully take advantage of it.
Did I mention how fast it is? That really does make up for it so far. It's like a battered old car painted in grey primer that has a v12 engine hidden under the hood. And it's cheap!
I would go with galaxy note 8.0
sputnik767 said:
Tegra note uses a passive stylus, Note 8 uses an active one. All of the features that make the Note 8 unique are not available to the Tegra note. It is no more competition to the Note than a Corolla is to a porsche, despite both being cars.
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I would go with galaxy note 8.0 because there are a lot more features it comes with. Also the screen colors do look better and I think it is plenty sharp enough for it size as in resolution so thing will still look good. The tablet is still really fast and should be smooth in hardcore gaming. Also if you really wanted stock android for the launcher (home screen and app drawer) you can just download a custom launcher like apex launcher or nova launcher to customize so it looks just like stock android. which is what I do. And coming from stock android , it gets a little boring after a while so that is why I also use launchers to make different themes.
I've had my Note 8 for awhile now, and like i said in my first post, i think it's great. It is getting to be an older model now and if i was looking to buy one, that factor would lower it on my list considering how fast Samsung abandons its models for upgrades. With ART coming soon to replace Dalvik and the potential performance gains that come with that, i'd want to invest in a device that has a good chance of getting it. One thing i don't trust Samsung for is keeping older devices current with Android versions.
NVIDIA Tegra Note 7 is the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0
rEVOLVE said:
I have and use my Note 8 for work when I don't want to carry my Win 8 tablet, but this news of the Tegra Note for ~$200 is intriguing - especially with the performance the Tegra 4 will bring at that price. And stylus support? Wow! I'll have to wait and see what reviews will look like.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7508/nvidia-tegra-note-7-review/7
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/11/12/tegra-note-pre-order/
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/evga-tegra-note-7/4505-3126_7-35831314.html
Honestly I prefer the side-by-side multiwindow that a rooted Touchwiz gives you, though, as that's pretty useful to me when I do use it for work (paired w/ the 2GB of RAM on the Note 8, to the 1GB on this device gives it some edge in the multitasking front as well).
Who knows, though? Due to Nvidia releasing this as a reference model, maybe some manufacturer will license it and sell w/ 2GB and someone figures out how to add the multi-window to it.
On a performance comparison, the Tegra 4 DESTROYS all the other android tablets in this price range, though. Also the footprint is smaller so it would actually fit better in some of my jacket pockets where the Note 8 wouldn't. Also - front mounted speakers!
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NVIDIA Tegra Note 7 is the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0. This tablet is significantly more expensive thanks to the included active stylus technology. A 16GB version of this tablet will run $359 or so.
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staplebox said:
I pre-ordered an evga tegra note for my wife. Not sure when newegg is shipping- they show it out of stock already.
I don't think it is competition for the note 8, I know it is. My wife wanted a note taking tablet and I got the tegra instead of the note 8, which I use. Good pen input is the only reason to get a note 8, imo. If the tegra has decent pen input it will certainly give the note 8 a run for it's money.
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I have both. The tegra 7 will be a xmas gift, but I've been doing heavy testing, including playing games on it that note 8 can't even play. Really hate to say it but the tegra note 7 is better in every way except the stylus stylus interface for writing. For art applications they nearly equal. Writing is not that great on the 8, though, so the 8 been a big waste of money for what was a business investment for me. I have had other issues with the 8. I also have s S4, and the Samsung gimmicks you mentioned are not usable in my experience. I am unhappy about the fact that the Tegra Note is superior, but I will still relinquish it Xmas morning to its intended recipient. Again, due to several issues with the Note 8, I cannot even use it for its intended use a business tool.
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NVIDIA Tegra Note 7 is the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0. This tablet is significantly more expensive thanks to the included active stylus technology. A 16GB version of this tablet will run $359 or so.
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I have both. The tegra 7 will be a xmas gift, but I've been doing heavy testing, including playing games on it that note 8 can't even play. Really hate to say it but the tegra note 7 is better in every way except the stylus stylus interface for writing. For art applications they nearly equal. Writing is not that great on the 8, though, so the 8 been a big waste of money for what was a business investment for me. I have had other issues with the 8. I also have s S4, and the Samsung gimmicks you mentioned are not usable in my experience. I am unhappy about the fact that the Tegra Note is superior, but I will still relinquish it Xmas morning to its intended recipient. Again, due to several issues with the Note 8, I cannot even use it for its intended use a business tool.
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Please share your specific observations particularly with how you think the Tegra Note is better than the Note 8 in writing and almost equal in art or drawing as there are some here who automatically thought otherwise without even trying it out. Seems they are quick to condemn it as if they are threatened by this cheaper yet more powerful competition.
The thing I'm curious about is that difference in RAM. i know as I'm painting with the Note8, and there are more and more strokes on the picture as the piece progresses, it does start to lag and slow down. The Tegra Note is faster, yet has half of the RAM, so maybe it's still susceptible to this issue or worse?
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Tegra note uses a passive stylus, Note 8 uses an active one. All of the features that make the Note 8 unique are not available to the Tegra note. It is no more competition to the Note than a Corolla is to a porsche, despite both being cars.
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Which one is better?
-Featurewise.. As well as in my opinion.. the Galaxy Note is way better compared to the Tegra note
Why?
- 1280*800 HD display (vs 1024*768 non-HD display)
- 1.6Ghz Qaud core processor (vs 1Ghz Dual core processor)
- 2Gb RAM (vs 512MB RAM)
- microSD slot
What the tablet can do?
Well it can do most basic purpose you require a bulky laptop for. I.e Internet browsing, facebook, twitter, watching movies, youtube, playing games, blogs, reading books, taking notes, chat, voice call, video call etc.
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Which one is better?
-Featurewise.. As well as in my opinion.. the Galaxy Note is way better compared to the Tegra note
Why?
- 1280*800 HD display (vs 1024*768 non-HD display)
- 1.6Ghz Qaud core processor (vs 1Ghz Dual core processor)
- 2Gb RAM (vs 512MB RAM)
- microSD slot
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I think the specs you cite are not for the $200 evga tegra note 7, which has
-microsd
-1 gig ram
- micro sd
- 1200 x 800 ips
-1.8 ghz tegra4 quad
there aren't custom roms yet, but it's rootable and the bootloader can be unlocked. it shares a lot with the nvidia shield, enough that root tools and other work is greatly aided.
I'm using an hp slate 8 just now - same soc, 8 inch, 1600 x 1200 display, no stylus included.
I had it rooted a few hours out of the box and and bootloader unlocked within a day.
It is a benchmark beast, 16k quadrant, 3500 or so on geekbench 2
I'm very curious to get my hands on the nvidia stylus and apps. The aspect ratio is great for me. it is heavy - about a pound - and has a battery about 25% larger than than the note. Time will tell how much that really means.
No ir blaster and no smart wake and a very hard to find/press power button are annoying. I wish it had cap buttons on the bezel, plenty of room for them.
Color accuracy is better on the Samsung - I've been struck by that in comparison to every other tab, using photos I took myself.
Speakers are better on the note - louder and/or better ported.
The hdmi out is going to be very helpful on the hp.
And how does it compare with the note 10.1 2014 edition?
I really love the S pen. Its so useful
Love it cause its a digitizer
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And how does it compare with the note 10.1 2014 edition?
I really love the S pen. Its so useful
Love it cause its a digitizer
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I was thinking of getting one, but only difference is the screen.......I won't get the tab S now..No root exploit anymore..Note is far better.
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My wife has the Tab S. It's an excellent tablet, very comparable (or better) than than the Note 10.1 2014 in terms of most of the specs and (real world) performance. I say "real world" because I do realize that the Tab S is a significant upgrade in some of the specs, but in my real world use of both tablets I haven't really noticed the Tab S being mindblowingly superior to the Note 10.1 2014.
It is a perfect tablet for my wife, but I still need/want the S-pen and root, so the Note 10.1 2014 is the better tablet for me. My wife also got the Tab 4 10.1 to use an eReader while exercising (didn't want to trash her Tab S at the gym). The Tab 4 is a nice tablet, too, but I put the Note 10.1 2014 and Tab S as fairly equal, but the Tab 4 is several notches below both of those overall.
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My wife has the Tab S. It's an excellent tablet, very comparable (or better) than than the Note 10.1 2014 in terms of most of the specs and (real world) performance. I say "real world" because I do realize that the Tab S is a significant upgrade in some of the specs, but in my real world use of both tablets I haven't really noticed the Tab S being mindblowingly superior to the Note 10.1 2014.
It is a perfect tablet for my wife, but I still need/want the S-pen and root, so the Note 10.1 2014 is the better tablet for me. My wife also got the Tab 4 10.1 to use an eReader while exercising (didn't want to trash her Tab S at the gym). The Tab 4 is a nice tablet, too, but I put the Note 10.1 2014 and Tab S as fairly equal, but the Tab 4 is several notches below both of those overall.
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You won't notice.it has the same specs as 2014 tab..same processor, etc....It's not worth $500 for a Amoled screen.
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I have both actually but gave the Note to my girlfriend and kept the Tab S.
I've always liked Samsung Amoled screens so that was the main reason I switched.
The note part wasn't as important in my decision when I intially purchased and I rarely used it.
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You won't notice.it has the same specs as 2014 tab..same processor, etc....It's not worth $500 for a Amoled screen.
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I noticed a difference. Again, not mindblowing, but there is a difference. The processor in the Tab S is an octacore processor versus a quadcore, so they're not the same processor. The Tab S is also thinner, lighter, and comes with a lot more new TouchWiz bells & whistles that the Note 10.1 2014 does not have even after the Kitkat update. The Amoled screen is being reviewed as arguably the best tablet screen available. And considering what I paid for my Note 10.1 2014 right after it was released, $500 is a steal for a tablet that's actually slightly better.
All that being said, if you're like me, then you bought the Note 10.1 2014 for a reason -- particularly the Note features. Otherwise I would most definitely own the Tab S.
Yeah the tab S is the later model to the note 10.1 2014 edition.
I was just thinking of purchasing it too, mainly cause I see it advertised
But I've rooted my device and you guys say that the tab S cant be rooted?
Cause it hasn't been done yet?
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The processor in the Tab S is an octacore processor versus a quadcore, so they're not the same processor.
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The S' use S-800/Adreno 330 and Exynos 5420/Mali T604 just like all of Samsung's high-end tablets (Note 10.1-14, Pro's). The only difference being earlier 10+" LTE tablets all got S-800 while with the majority of S' are Exynos/LTE. The U.S. carrier S' still use S-800 and there may be other isolated examples too.
The Tab S is also thinner, lighter
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And bigger.
And comes with a lot more new TouchWiz bells & whistles that the Note 10.1 2014 does not have even after the Kitkat update.
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M-UX is the only thing fundamentally different. Everything else works exactly the same but has a fresher interface, darker interface to help AMOLED battery life, or both. There are dozens of pages in the S forums complaining about lag. Same thing on the Pro forums. 4.4 on the N10.1-14 is pretty much lag free; especially compared to the 4.3 launch s/w. So M-UX is one "bell and whistle" I'm glad we were able to avoid.
The Amoled screen is being reviewed as arguably the best tablet screen available.
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Note's in general are pitched at productivity and creation users. That audience would be miserable with an AMOLED display. It's beautiful for video where it's quite battery efficient but on light colors, like most productivity and creation apps are, people would be crying. The S' battery life on whites would absolutely kill me because that's where I spend the majority of my time.
I have been using the Note 10.1 2014 at work and really like it. Just got a Tab S to play with and it's pretty nice, thought I would hate the bronze color but looks very sophisticated. The Tab S feels much snappier than the Note 10.1 for some reason even though they are both running 4.4.2. I also really like Magazine UX, wish it would come to the Note but being this late in the game seems doubtful. The screen on the Tab S is also BEAUTIFUL, and the tablet does feel lighter. I do like the factory book cover case for the Note better than the one for the Tab S. Honestly I'm torn, I like the Pen on the Note but the snappier feel and Magazine UX has me wanting to switch. I will see how battery life compares before I decide.
Is magazine UX that good? Its interface layout is similar to windows 8 right?
I really like simplicity when its used in note 3 (NOVA). But I can see how that magazine UX interface might work with the tablets
.p.s love the note pro keyboard on my 10.1 2014 EDITION:good:
transelite said:
Is magazine UX that good? Its interface layout is similar to windows 8 right?
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M-UX was originally supposed to be a complete UI for Samsung's tablets. There were widgets for all of Samsung's apps and most major apps. There was the ability to add a short-cut as a small tile for every app on the device. So you could literally have all your home screens configured using M-UX and in addition to being cleaner and more modern looking it allowed better use of display real estate because widgets were edge-to-edge. None of that happened. Most likely because Google had a stroke. So M-UX ended up being a mandatory home page, has limited widgets for Samsung's apps, and no way to add any type of app short-cuts. And some of the traditional widgets we have are now "M-UX only" which sucks if you like to group your apps and widgets in to like-categories on separate home pages. There's no question that M-UX slows down tablets that use it.
Here's just one of the many threads in the S forum talking about lag. There are a bunch of threads and hundreds of posts. The Pro's have M-UX and there are similar posts. In both forums people coming from a N10.1-14 (on 4.4) complain about the lag on the Pro's and S' in comparison.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
I'm not a lag freak so would probably get a Tab S if I were a consumption user. The only real benefit of the S over the N10.1-14 is its AMOLED display. It's got a .5" larger display but its dimensions go up proportionately. It's actually got a lower PPI than the N10.1-14 so for reading and browsing in addition to the N10.1-14 having better battery life its got better PPI too. The LCD display on the N10.1-14 is great with few shortcomings and gets far better battery life on whites than the S'. So how big a deal better contrast on dark colors is to you determines how much better an S would be over a N10.1-14. I'm a huge S Pen and productivity user so the S' really aren't an option for me anyway so I have no ax to grind.
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But I've rooted my device and you guys say that the tab S cant be rooted?
Cause it hasn't been done yet?
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I think they are referring to TowelRoot, which can root certain Snapdragon devices WITHOUT tripping the Knox warranty e-fuse.
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The S' use S-800/Adreno 330 and Exynos 5420/Mali T604 just like all of Samsung's high-end tablets (Note 10.1-14, Pro's). The only difference being earlier 10+" LTE tablets all got S-800 while with the majority of S' are Exynos/LTE. The U.S. carrier S' still use S-800 and there may be other isolated examples too.
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The only example I'm talking about is my wife's SM-T800 Galaxy Tab S 10.5, which the official Samsung specs specifically state:
CPU
PROCESSOR SPEED, TYPE
Exynos™ 5 Octa (1.9Ghz Quadcore + 1.3 Ghz Quadcore)
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/SM-T800NTSAXAR
My SM-P600 Note 10.1 2014 does not have this processor.
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M-UX is the only thing fundamentally different. Everything else works exactly the same but has a fresher interface, darker interface to help AMOLED battery life, or both. There are dozens of pages in the S forums complaining about lag. Same thing on the Pro forums. 4.4 on the N10.1-14 is pretty much lag free; especially compared to the 4.3 launch s/w. So M-UX is one "bell and whistle" I'm glad we were able to avoid.
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I have spent a lot of time on both devices (physically in-hand), and the interface as a whole, as well as the entire feature set, are significantly different, even the basic "Android" settings menus are organized rather different. M-UX is just one feature in that different interface.
All one has to do is go back to the beginnings of this particular forum, as well as read the Note 10.1 2014 reviews to see all the complaints about lag. At one time that was all that was being discussed on this forum. Dozens of people were returning their devices solely because of lag.
For what it's worth, I never experienced lag on my Note 10.1 2014 or the Tab S.
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Note's in general are pitched at productivity and creation users. That audience would be miserable with an AMOLED display. It's beautiful for video where it's quite battery efficient but on light colors, like most productivity and creation apps are, people would be crying. The S' battery life on whites would absolutely kill me because that's where I spend the majority of my time.
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I'm not miserable with the Tab S's display, and I am predominately a Note 10.1 2014 user (the Tab S is my wife's tablet). She solely uses her Tab S as an eReader and web browser, and her battery lasts longer than my Note 10.1 2014 when used for the same purposes/time.
Again, I really like the note features on my Note 10.1 2014, which is why I still own/use it instead of a Tab S, but in just about every other way, the Tab S is the superior tablet. Not lightyears superior, but still superior.
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My SM-P600 Note 10.1 2014 does not have this processor.
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Yes, it does. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' all use either Exynos 5420 or a Snapdragon S-800. No Wi-Fi only version of any of them except for the Pro 8.4 ever used anything but Exynos 5420. The SGS5's "eight core chip" is Exynos 5422 which is a modified version of 5420 with HMP enabled. The "eight core chip" in the Note 4 is 5433 which is even newer. So your SM-P600 Wi-Fi N10.1-14 has the same SoC as every Wi-Fi only Tab S. The SM-P601 (3G) uses the same chip. The SM-P605 (LTE) uses S-800. The only change between the Tab S and earlier tabs is that all of the earlier LTE tablets had S-800 where the majority of LTE S' moved to Exynos 5420. That said, considering they all use identical h/w, run 4.4.2, and have similar Samsung s/w the performance differences people claim really don't make a lot of sense. If anything I tend to believe that people complaining about the Pro's and S' being slower because of M-UX is true because of the additional resources it consumes.
I have the note 10.1. I considered the tab s but I can't live without the ESPN especially now that I found the app MyScript stylus beta
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Dang auto correct, s-pen i meant
ESPN haha .... But I agree ... I have gotton use to the S-pen aswell, would be bizziare having a tablet without it it I reckon :/
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Yes, it does. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' all use either Exynos 5420 or a Snapdragon S-800. No Wi-Fi only version of any of them except for the Pro 8.4 ever used anything but Exynos 5420. The SGS5's "eight core chip" is Exynos 5422 which is a modified version of 5420 with HMP enabled. The "eight core chip" in the Note 4 is 5433 which is even newer. So your SM-P600 Wi-Fi N10.1-14 has the same SoC as every Wi-Fi only Tab S. The SM-P601 (3G) uses the same chip. The SM-P605 (LTE) uses S-800. The only change between the Tab S and earlier tabs is that all of the earlier LTE tablets had S-800 where the majority of LTE S' moved to Exynos 5420. That said, considering they all use identical h/w, run 4.4.2, and have similar Samsung s/w the performance differences people claim really don't make a lot of sense. If anything I tend to believe that people complaining about the Pro's and S' being slower because of M-UX is true because of the additional resources it consumes.
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I stand corrected, but I do wish to point out (and know for a fact) that Samsung "corrected" its specs on the Note 10.1 2014, because when it was first released and I was considering buying it, the CPU was listed only as a 1.9 ghz quadcore -- not an Octa and there was no mention of the 1.3ghz quadcore combination in the specs. I came to the Note 10.1 2014 from the dualcore Acer A500, so I found the quadcore an acceptable upgrade. An Octa would've blown my mind.
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I stand corrected..
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No worries. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong but since the topic is a direct comparison against the Tab S I thought the similarities between the two should be known. All Samsung's high-end tablets since the N10.1-14 was released last year are architecturally the same. And with the exception of the N10.1-14 not getting M-UX run near identical s/w too. They also push the exact same number of pixels; the PPI goes up and down depending on physical display size.
The S' really should have at least Exynos 5422 and S-801 or, even better, Exynos 5433 and S-805. I'm guessing Samsung re-used the existing high-end tablet architecture to save on development and build costs. The N10.1-14 is due for a refresh. It'll be interesting to see what direction Samsung goes h/w wise. They've been testing a 10" 4K LCD tablet display and that would need Exynos 5433/S-805. I doubt the next Note will be AMOLED because it's awful on light colors battery wise and Note's are all about productivity and creation where the apps tend to be light colored.