Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
You don't need better specs for WP8 it will run perfectly smooth on the Lumia 920! The screen is amazing. Why should the camera be a dealbreaker? The design is very nice! You got exclusiv Lumia Apps so there's a lot more special about the 920 than only the camera.
I don't understand what you said not flagshippy? Based on what specs is your assumption.. The screen is awesome, the S4 chip is one of the best, wireless charging, good camera, free nav and so on...
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circleofomega said:
Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
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Are you blind? Best screen, wireless charging, best camera, touch through gloves.. honestly the only thing not top of the line is the memory and processor and sadly the os.
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I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
What he said...
WOW you went ape sh*t with this response. Need more people like you around. Keep up the work
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The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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:highfive: Great post. Still cannot believe some think this is no better then previous phones.
Mafiatounes said:
I don't understand what you said not flagshippy? Based on what specs is your assumption.. The screen is awesome, the S4 chip is one of the best, wireless charging, good camera, free nav and so on...
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Great camera, the screen has higher ppi than almost anything out there, has the highest resolution and the design is gorgeous and a crappy one.
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Are you blind? Best screen, wireless charging, best camera, touch through gloves.. honestly the only thing not top of the line is the memory and processor and sadly the os.
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OS is top of the line, and ram is sufficient for now. 2 GB would have been better, but if you see people with iphones running out of memory, I dont think that will happen on windows phone either.
circleofomega said:
Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
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Unlike android, windows phone does not require as much resources, because windows phone is optimized to run on standardized hardware (just like the iPhone, even though the hardware varies more on WP). You can look at android as the jack of all trades, master of none.
The amount of functionality these new windows phones can achieve is stunning. They can offer the same and much more compared to android due to their excellent hardware optimization, the awesome developing tools (present in 7.5, now they got even better), top of the line sensors and chipsets, and much, much more.
Hell, you can even play computer games on them.
It has lamborghini yellow. That trumps EVERYTHING.
The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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Ok....Firstly, a sincere thanks. Secondly, I admit I was quick to react as, yes, you said it, a quad core, more RAM and a slighlt higher MP cam would have been better.
What I overlooked was the fact that WP DOESN'T need a monster of a hardware backing. YEs. That IS true. I have used HTC HD7 and it was as fast on the last day as it was on first. And that too on the specs it ran on at that time.
Today, to be very very honest, my RaZr does lag sometimes. It all depends, on day one of flashing a new ROM, everything is fast and snappy. But the moment it settles down a bit, slow...lag..
So...I have to admit, the Lumia IS top of the line HW with of course amazing OS.
Thanks all you guys for your replies.
circleofomega said:
Ok....Firstly, a sincere thanks. Secondly, I admit I was quick to react as, yes, you said it, a quad core, more RAM and a slighlt higher MP cam would have been better.
What I overlooked was the fact that WP DOESN'T need a monster of a hardware backing. YEs. That IS true. I have used HTC HD7 and it was as fast on the last day as it was on first. And that too on the specs it ran on at that time.
Today, to be very very honest, my RaZr does lag sometimes. It all depends, on day one of flashing a new ROM, everything is fast and snappy. But the moment it settles down a bit, slow...lag..
So...I have to admit, the Lumia IS top of the line HW with of course amazing OS.
Thanks all you guys for your replies.
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Higher MP count camera: I already pointed out that more MP can actually decrease image quality for cameras with small sensors, and camera phones represent virtually the smallest sensor sizes in the camera world. Do some research and you will find out that the extra MP in phone cameras like the Titan II only result in extra noise in the image. Again, the 920 has a slightly larger sensor size than the next biggest sensor sizes in other top phones (GS3, iPhone 4S, One X), and it makes sense to slightly increase MP count from 8-8.7 MP. Image quality in the end is all that matters, and if 8.7 MP truly is the sweet spot for this camera, then by all means don't give us more MP Nokia.
More RAM: I hardly see this as a point to complain about because the majority of new phones even today still just have 1 MB RAM. Only the very newest Android phones are starting to be released with 2 GB RAM. So, the 920 is doubling the RAM WP devices have (from 512 MB to 1 GB) just like the newest Android phones are doubling from 1 GB to 2 GB. Furthermore, a lot of people are arguing quite convincingly that it's virtually impossible to tell if 2 GB RAM is actually having a noticeable impact on performance of their devices. 1 GB really is sufficient RAM even for an Android. And what's sufficient for an Android phone is overkill for a WP8 device, as much as I hate to admit that as an Android guy.
Quad-core: there are several reasons it's pointless as of right now to hope for quad-core in a WP8 device. First is the fact that very few devices, even Androids, are releasing with quad-cores. Second is the fact that the devices that are being released with quad-cores have quad-cores that aren't worth your time, such as Tegra 3 and Exynos 4412. They're both last gen Cortex-A9 processors. The only quad-core on the near horizon worth your time is the S4 Pro with Adreno 320. I'll say it again: if you really want a quad-core device, the processor you should be waiting for is the S4 Pro. And it's unreasonable to expect it right now because the ONLY phone that has been announced with it so far has been the LG Optimus G. AND on top of that the S4 Pro is expected to be in very limited supply. So it's unreasonable to expect S4 Pro on ANY device released in the next few months (save for the LG, who probably pulled more string than a puppeteer to get them), and EVEN MORE unreasonable to expect it on a WP8 device on which it would be total overkill. If you expect Nokia to give you S4 Pro on the 920 they'll say fine, you can twiddle your thumbs as the release gets pushed back to somewhere in 2013.
Edit: there's something else on top of everything else I just said. I don't know much about WP, but it's entirely possible that WP8 is specifically optimized for dual-core processors. Android's multi-core support is designed to work well with both dual-cores and quad-cores (and theoretically what's beyond), but with MS's tighter grip on the standards for hardware being produced for WP, it is definitely possible that they designed WP8 to be a beast specifically with dual-cores. There's the S4 right now, and there will soon be Cortex-A15 dual-cores coming out in the Exynos and OMAP lines, so if MS did design for dual-core the manufacturers will have a nice selection of next gen dual-cores to work with.
The Janitor Mop said:
Higher MP count camera: I already pointed out that more MP can actually decrease image quality for cameras with small sensors, and camera phones represent virtually the smallest sensor sizes in the camera world. Do some research and you will find out that the extra MP in phone cameras like the Titan II only result in extra noise in the image. Again, the 920 has a slightly larger sensor size than the next biggest sensor sizes in other top phones (GS3, iPhone 4S, One X), and it makes sense to slightly increase MP count from 8-8.7 MP. Image quality in the end is all that matters, and if 8.7 MP truly is the sweet spot for this camera, then by all means don't give us more MP Nokia.
More RAM: I hardly see this as a point to complain about because the majority of new phones even today still just have 1 MB RAM. Only the very newest Android phones are starting to be released with 2 GB RAM. So, the 920 is doubling the RAM WP devices have (from 512 MB to 1 GB) just like the newest Android phones are doubling from 1 GB to 2 GB. Furthermore, a lot of people are arguing quite convincingly that it's virtually impossible to tell if 2 GB RAM is actually having a noticeable impact on performance of their devices. 1 GB really is sufficient RAM even for an Android. And what's sufficient for an Android phone is overkill for a WP8 device, as much as I hate to admit that as an Android guy.
Quad-core: there are several reasons it's pointless as of right now to hope for quad-core in a WP8 device. First is the fact that very few devices, even Androids, are releasing with quad-cores. Second is the fact that the devices that are being released with quad-cores have quad-cores that aren't worth your time, such as Tegra 3 and Exynos 4412. They're both last gen Cortex-A9 processors. The only quad-core on the near horizon worth your time is the S4 Pro with Adreno 320. I'll say it again: if you really want a quad-core device, the processor you should be waiting for is the S4 Pro. And it's unreasonable to expect it right now because the ONLY phone that has been announced with it so far has been the LG Optimus G. AND on top of that the S4 Pro is expected to be in very limited supply. So it's unreasonable to expect S4 Pro on ANY device released in the next few months (save for the LG, who probably pulled more string than a puppeteer to get them), and EVEN MORE unreasonable to expect it on a WP8 device on which it would be total overkill. If you expect Nokia to give you S4 Pro on the 920 they'll say fine, you can twiddle your thumbs as the release gets pushed back to somewhere in 2013.
Edit: there's something else on top of everything else I just said. I don't know much about WP, but it's entirely possible that WP8 is specifically optimized for dual-core processors. Android's multi-core support is designed to work well with both dual-cores and quad-cores (and theoretically what's beyond), but with MS's tighter grip on the standards for hardware being produced for WP, it is definitely possible that they designed WP8 to be a beast specifically with dual-cores. There's the S4 right now, and there will soon be Cortex-A15 dual-cores coming out in the Exynos and OMAP lines, so if MS did design for dual-core the manufacturers will have a nice selection of next gen dual-cores to work with.
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The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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Excellent post, the 920 will definitely be my next phone (unless HTC produce a very special rabbit from a hat!)
I am currently using SGS III (my 7th high end droid over the years), and in all probability it will be my last android phone. Mainly because, over the years I have never found a single droid which was stable / solid performer day in/day out. The issues I faced ranges from un-explainable reboots, hang ups, slow downs/sluggishness etc. etc. So from my experience I'd say most droids have excellent hardware, but extremely crappy OS, which also have iOS's copycat UI (only inferior), but that is just my personal opinion.
To sum up android (thanks to user on another forum):
"Android suffers the Linux** disease of being really interesting for a little while, followed by tears of boredom. When all that's left to talk about is the hardware (read: almost every Android vs. Others comparison is purely hardware-focused), it's clear the OS has lost its charm."
So long and the short of it, I was thinking about going back to iPhone, but then I got my hands on Lumia 800, and having tried it for 2+ months, I think WP is the most efficient*, responsive, and stable mobile OS (I don't really use too many apps, so I don't really care about lower number in WP app store). So I will be getting either Samsung ATIV S or Nokia Lumia 920 (most likely I'll go with 920, as Nokia updates/rolles out new stuff for its phones much quicker compared to Samsung).
* Lumia 800 easily defeated my older droids ie SGS2/Sensation in performance as well.
** I am a Windows 7+Win8x64/Linux user myself.
I currently switch between an HTC One X and an HTC Titan, android has its plus points, but it can be a real pain in the arse, for example sometimes the onex will load up some medoa server thing which eats the battery in about 45 minutes, sometimes the home screen will freeze on loading, if I go too long without rebooting the whole phone slows down and becomes sluggish. No such problems with my Titan! I will be getting me a Lumia 920 as soon as they are released, the Titan will be my spare phone and the onex is going on ebay....
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I am currently using SGS III (my 7th high end droid over the years), and in all probability it will be my last android phone. Mainly because, over the years I have never found a single droid which was stable / solid performer day in/day out. The issues I faced ranges from un-explainable reboots, hang ups, slow downs/sluggishness etc. etc. So from my experience I'd say most droids have excellent hardware, but extremely crappy OS, which also have iOS's copycat UI (only inferior), but that is just my personal opinion.
To sum up android (thanks to user on another forum):
"Android suffers the Linux** disease of being really interesting for a little while, followed by tears of boredom. When all that's left to talk about is the hardware (read: almost every Android vs. Others comparison is purely hardware-focused), it's clear the OS has lost its charm."
So long and the short of it, I was thinking about going back to iPhone, but then I got my hands on Lumia 800, and having tried it for 2+ months, I think WP is the most efficient*, responsive, and stable mobile OS (I don't really use too many apps, so I don't really care about lower number in WP app store). So I will be getting either Samsung ATIV S or Nokia Lumia 920 (most likely I'll go with 920, as Nokia updates/rolles out new stuff for its phones much quicker compared to Samsung).
* Lumia 800 easily defeated my older droids ie SGS2/Sensation in performance as well.
** I am a Windows 7+Win8x64/Linux user myself.
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A lot of what you said is how I feel. Android is a lot of fun and I love flashing new ROMs on my Sensation, but it really fails to be something that performs consistently all the time. It is a strange OS that has a ton of quirks and above all else is the least efficient major mobile OS. iOS and WP don't require the same hardware Android does in order to perform well. I was absolutely shocked when I found that the top range WP devices so far have been using an outdated, single-core S2 Snapdragon processor. My Sensation, with a dual-core S3 Snapdragon, and with custom ROMs and overclocked, still lags, stutters, gets hung up trying to leave an app or switch apps, and overall is a less than pleasant experience. Meanwhile, WP devices are blazing smooth on hardware that is several notches below what even midrange Androids have.
To be fair, Jelly Bean is a really good improvement to Android and I think it has established Android as a legitimate player against the next iPhone and WP8. I have yet to try a JB ROM (we have a CM10 ROM and AOKP JB that are both beta-quality), but if it really does eliminate lag I'll be impressed, because I'm not expecting that it will be able to eliminate all the hiccups that my phone tends to have.
WP8 appeals to me as something that will work out of the box, be a steady and powerful performer, offer something different, and I like the idea of having Windows 8 on my laptop and a WP8 phone. I'm like you, I don't use very many apps at all. Give me a good calendar, browser, note app, FB/Instagram, map/nav app, mail app, music apps, news apps, office apps (which is where I would imagine WP would excel lol), and other useful things like banking apps and I'm good to go. Otherwise, my Sensation is filled with games I don't play much and aren't necessary, recovery and backup apps for flashing ROMs, random benchmarks which aren't necessary, performance apps that monitor battery and CPU and stuff that aren't necessary, and other fluff I can do without.
You guys can make that 3.
I too hold a "flagship" Droid right now. But does it lag? Sure. Do I get lost in finding what I want to in the heaps and heaps of apps...? Sure. Do I have tons of games on my SD card which I don't play? Sure.
Is my SD card clogged with more ROMs than pics of my lovely wife? Yes.
Do I spend more time flashing those ROMs than be with my loved ones? Absolutely. Do I open my "app drawer" and just forget what I came here for? Yes...YES YES!
Am I scared with the security this OS gives me for my data? Yes.
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Lol. I'm not for sure going to switch to WP8, because I still have a bit less than a year of my contract with my Sensation, and I only have very limited actual experience with WP8. By the time march-april rolls around next year, though, there better either be a new amazing Nexus or rumors of an upcoming amazing Nexus with Key Lime Pie or else I'll probably end up with the best WP8 device T-Mobile has to offer. And realistically I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see things like quad-core processors in WP8 devices by that time, so they should be pretty amazing.
didnt find a seperate device section for the htc 8x..so posting it here
the htc 8x is on demo at the dubai GITEX fest..and is available for pre order at 1999 aed( approx 550$)..the price for the 8s is not mentioned though.
550$ is quite a lot. You are better off getting Lumia 820 instead of this.
Anyway, I expect this to go down after the official release.
the 8x is worth the 550$ in my opinion and is almost equal to the 920 in comparison..but then i would get the lumia 920
Thats cheap, only 425EUR! Amazon (uk) preorder is currently at 500 EUR (or 645 USD) and Lumia 920 is starting at 599€ (or 770 USD) (Italy).. so yeah well worth it
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Thats cheap, only 425EUR! Amazon (uk) preorder is currently at 500 EUR (or 645 USD) and Lumia 920 is starting at 599€ (or 770 USD) (Italy).. so yeah well worth it
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yup it is..thought it was wrong but when you have htc sales reps telling you that you can preorder it there, should be true enough..surprisingly the 8s price wasnt revealed but they did suggest we leave our mobile nos for a price update on it.
If it had more mem or an sd slot the 920 could do one at that pricbut alas its only 16gb I cant tell you how much that upsets me I really wanted this phone. I wander if its worth waiting and seeing if you can open it up like older windows phones but I suspect its onboard.
Directly doing a currency conversion historically has almost never yielded you the actual retail prices (just the fact that regularly a phone has the same Dollar and Euro price is indicative of this).
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Directly doing a currency conversion historically has almost never yielded you the actual retail prices (just the fact that regularly a phone has the same Dollar and Euro price is indicative of this).
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yup it hasnt but its indicative of approximately how much the product could be bought for(unlocked) in most places..presently most phones cost almost the same in India and the middle east if you dont factor in the dealer discounts....
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550$ is quite a lot. You are better off getting Lumia 820 instead of this.
Anyway, I expect this to go down after the official release.
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820 over the 8X?
what?!?!?!
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820 over the 8X?
what?!?!?!
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what are you whatting at?
the only advantage the 8x has is its beats audio.
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what are you whatting at?
the only advantage the 8x has is its beats audio.
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you do know that the 8x is the current high end phone from HTC while the 820 is the mid end phone from nokia???
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you do know that the 8x is the current high end phone from HTC while the 820 is the mid end phone from nokia???
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it is high end because it is defined by HTC as high-end.
I for one, like to take a look at specs instead of just using a predefined opinion.
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it is high end because it is defined by HTC as high-end.
I for one, like to take a look at specs instead of just using a predefined opinion.
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i would say its higher end when compared to the lumia 820..for example the rear 8.0 mp camera is better than the one in the 820, plus its got an image chip which i am sure will beat the lumia 920 in terms of operation speed..the fcc also sports a higher resolution than the one in the 820..for sound, there's an amp for better sound quality..and in terms of display, the 8x is better in pixel density and resolution...
now if you compare it to the 920, il agree the 920 trumps it in most features..i feel that lumia 920 >htc 8x >lumia 820
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i would say its higher end when compared to the lumia 820..for example the rear 8.0 mp camera is better than the one in the 820, plus its got an image chip which i am sure will beat the lumia 920 in terms of operation speed..the fcc also sports a higher resolution than the one in the 820..for sound, there's an amp for better sound quality..and in terms of display, the 8x is better in pixel density and resolution...
now if you compare it to the 920, il agree the 920 trumps it in most features..i feel that lumia 920 >htc 8x >lumia 820
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So what? Lumia 820 beats the HTC in other domains, like wirelress charging, design, storage space.
The two of them are pretty close together, which is why it is fair to compare the 820 with the 8x.
As i already said, the only real advantage the 8x has over 820 is the audio quality.
Others are more or less neglect-able, and some of them are double edged swords (like your pixel destiny, will increase the amount of RAM applications will eat compared to lumia 820)
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So what? Lumia 820 beats the HTC in other domains, like wirelress charging, design, storage space.
The two of them are pretty close together, which is why it is fair to compare the 820 with the 8x.
As i already said, the only real advantage the 8x has over 820 is the audio quality.
Others are more or less neglect-able, and some of them are double edged swords (like your pixel destiny, will increase the amount of RAM applications will eat compared to lumia 820)
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wireless charging is an add on cover for the 820, while design is a personnel choice..i know alot of people who like the htc 8 series more than the lumias, storage space i agree non upgradeable is kinda not what i expected but then we should be calling the lumia 920 a fail too ...the pixel density is a major differentiator for a lot of people so is the resoultion(from what i heard the 820 display is not 720p) which can deter alot of people.
anyways all this boils down to personal choice..if i were to select between the 8x and the 820, i would go for the 8x...but if you throw in the 920, then you know my ans : 920
Lumia 820 has one serious minus point over 8X - only 800x480 resolution vs 1280x720 which is quite a staggering difference. Rest features are more or less matched with Lumia 820 triumphing heavily on exclusive apps.
Yes 8X has better camera but there's simply no beating Lumia camera settings and extras. With some setting tweaking, Lumia 820 stands a chance to beat 8X's camera. And hence, mcosmin222 is quite sensible for comparing 820 vs 8X.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/smartphone-champions-league-quarterfinals/
GSMarena is having a smartphone Champions League, it beat the Z to reach the quarter finals. Voting ends on Monday. Let's vote for our beloved smartphone. The 1520 earns incredible amounts of votes.
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1020 vs galaxy S3 (this years flasgship vs last years that too on a different OS) :silly:
HTC one vs nokia 520 (flagship vs entry model ):silly:
Couldnt they have a best-of in 3 categories, entry, mid range & flagship ?
GO Z1!
I really didn't expect the 1520 to be this popular
I was quite suprised to see 3 Nokias this late in the competition.
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Wow there are ALOT of devoted followers of Nokia.
Apart from in films (and on television programmes) I don't really see any Windows handsets
In India and Pakistan almost everyone goes gaga over Nokia or MediaTek devices.
30% of WP phones sold includes just the. 520,521. 9 out of 40 classmates have it and my mother owns one.
The 1520 will probably beat the Z1 in this popularity contest. But hey, who cares, I love my Z1 nonetheless ^_^
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Lumia 1520 wins..................it's incredible
you can vote Z1
Lot of big names are down already(Note 3, Iphone 5S, Galaxy S4, etc)
Good to see the Z1 its still there
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Where's blackberry? :laugh:
What a load of nonsense, the order of all these devices looks pretty rigged to me, to allow certain phones to definitely make it through
this crap doesn't make any sense tbh... why would the Xperia Z (flagship) fight against L (midrange) on the first round or why would the Galaxy S3 4.7 inch fight against galaxy mega 6.3 inch? all not on the same class and why no nokia phone fought against it self, and why fight LG G2 and HTC one on the first round lol
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nokia 520 vs nexus 4 and nokia won? horse crap...
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In India and Pakistan almost everyone goes gaga over Nokia or MediaTek devices.
30% of WP phones sold includes just the. 520,521. 9 out of 40 classmates have it and my mother owns one.
The 1520 will probably beat the Z1 in this popularity contest. But hey, who cares, I love my Z1 nonetheless ^_^
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Because the nokia 520 - 720 hardware wise beat android at the price point. They all have proper GPS instead of A-GPS. other than the 720 the others have dual band wifi. A Rs.10k device with dual band wifi (!)
The biggest downside is WP8 app availability, flaky whatsapp and no centralised notifications.
Now the moto g has come out and is a serious contender in the low end stakes. Will have to see at what price its offered.
I don't know how the 1520 scored so high. Ability to save RAW.
Maybe its the battery life. But sizewise its more unwieldy. Great battery comes at a portability premium.
I've yet to to see it in the shops here.
I also find the scores between Z & Z1 curious. I did not think Z1 is compelling enough to upgrade for a Z owner. There is only 6 months between these devices. people balk at upgrading even a year later. eg. S3 owners not interested in going with S4 or Note 2 to Note 3. The biggest improvement with Z1 over Z is video.
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What a load of nonsense, the order of all these devices looks pretty rigged to me, to allow certain phones to definitely make it through
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There is no good way to do this. You would expect flagships to make it to the second round and not get paired with strong competition so early on like the G2 & note 3 were. I don't know how gsmarena chose the starting matches. Usually they pull names out of a hat. Its a good laugh.
Looks like htc one vs 1020 in the final.
So it's ended up the Nexus 5 vs Lumia 1020 in 1st SF and Lumia 520 vs 1520 :silly:
I suppose that Sony releasing the Z1 was due to the fact the Xperia Z was a bit behind the curve spec wise once the HTC One and S4 were looming.
The Z1 was perfectly timed for me, as the contract on my One X ended in October this year and I fancied a change of manufacturer
I agree that some of those match ups were very silly indeed
I'm pretty sure it'd be random match ups to start the fight..
Like someone said, maybe they pulled names out of a hat.
That's the only way to keep it fair..
It's the way the cookie crumbles ;p
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Well done Nokia employees, you managed to get a winner here.
HTC one losing to 520
Ive been testing a lumia 1520 all weekend and have decided not to keep it.
My main reason being the camera, I timed the z1 camera load time against The 1520, and the 1520 was nearly 2 seconds slower to load the camera and take a pic, for a replacement point and shoot this is too slow to warrant me replacing my z1. If the picture quality had been significantly better, it might have swayed me, but manual mode shots were broadly similar.
The screen on the Lumia was also better, but I think I'll Wait and see what the 1020 and z1 successors will bring.
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Ive been testing a lumia 1520 all weekend and have decided not to keep it.
My main reason being the camera, I timed the z1 camera load time against The 1520, and the 1520 was nearly 2 seconds slower to load the camera and take a pic, for a replacement point and shoot this is too slow to warrant me replacing my z1. If the picture quality had been significantly better, it might have swayed me, but manual mode shots were broadly similar.
The screen on the Lumia was also better, but I think I'll Wait and see what the 1020 and z1 successors will bring.
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Z1 has better video in low light.
From my experience a lot of Nokia Lumia users have an inferiority complex against their Android/Apple counterparts. They're the most aggressive at insulting other phones which are not WP8 because they feel 'special' using an OS that is thought of as being inferior to iOS and Android. So when it comes to competitions like this where it's WP8 vs Android or Lumia vs Android the fanboys come out in full force and smother the competition and then post comments on how the other phones are sh*t and how WP8 has the most potential. Just look at the comments in the GSMArena page. The Z1 sadly didn't stand a chance.
I'm not saying that every WP8 user's like this, I'm sure those fanboys are in the minority, but I know a lot of people with the 1520 and 1020 and they always try to put down my Z1 even if I didn't say anything, as if they're justifying why they bought the Lumia over my Z1. That's just been my experience though.
Z1 got whitewashed by 20000 points. One got beat neck to neck by 520. Damn....
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