http://blog.gsmarena.com/smartphone-champions-league-quarterfinals/
GSMarena is having a smartphone Champions League, it beat the Z to reach the quarter finals. Voting ends on Monday. Let's vote for our beloved smartphone. The 1520 earns incredible amounts of votes.
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1020 vs galaxy S3 (this years flasgship vs last years that too on a different OS) :silly:
HTC one vs nokia 520 (flagship vs entry model ):silly:
Couldnt they have a best-of in 3 categories, entry, mid range & flagship ?
GO Z1!
I really didn't expect the 1520 to be this popular
I was quite suprised to see 3 Nokias this late in the competition.
lets have a little summary so its easier to follow..
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Wow there are ALOT of devoted followers of Nokia.
Apart from in films (and on television programmes) I don't really see any Windows handsets
In India and Pakistan almost everyone goes gaga over Nokia or MediaTek devices.
30% of WP phones sold includes just the. 520,521. 9 out of 40 classmates have it and my mother owns one.
The 1520 will probably beat the Z1 in this popularity contest. But hey, who cares, I love my Z1 nonetheless ^_^
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Lumia 1520 wins..................it's incredible
you can vote Z1
Lot of big names are down already(Note 3, Iphone 5S, Galaxy S4, etc)
Good to see the Z1 its still there
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Where's blackberry? :laugh:
What a load of nonsense, the order of all these devices looks pretty rigged to me, to allow certain phones to definitely make it through
this crap doesn't make any sense tbh... why would the Xperia Z (flagship) fight against L (midrange) on the first round or why would the Galaxy S3 4.7 inch fight against galaxy mega 6.3 inch? all not on the same class and why no nokia phone fought against it self, and why fight LG G2 and HTC one on the first round lol
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nokia 520 vs nexus 4 and nokia won? horse crap...
BreakShadow said:
In India and Pakistan almost everyone goes gaga over Nokia or MediaTek devices.
30% of WP phones sold includes just the. 520,521. 9 out of 40 classmates have it and my mother owns one.
The 1520 will probably beat the Z1 in this popularity contest. But hey, who cares, I love my Z1 nonetheless ^_^
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Because the nokia 520 - 720 hardware wise beat android at the price point. They all have proper GPS instead of A-GPS. other than the 720 the others have dual band wifi. A Rs.10k device with dual band wifi (!)
The biggest downside is WP8 app availability, flaky whatsapp and no centralised notifications.
Now the moto g has come out and is a serious contender in the low end stakes. Will have to see at what price its offered.
I don't know how the 1520 scored so high. Ability to save RAW.
Maybe its the battery life. But sizewise its more unwieldy. Great battery comes at a portability premium.
I've yet to to see it in the shops here.
I also find the scores between Z & Z1 curious. I did not think Z1 is compelling enough to upgrade for a Z owner. There is only 6 months between these devices. people balk at upgrading even a year later. eg. S3 owners not interested in going with S4 or Note 2 to Note 3. The biggest improvement with Z1 over Z is video.
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What a load of nonsense, the order of all these devices looks pretty rigged to me, to allow certain phones to definitely make it through
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There is no good way to do this. You would expect flagships to make it to the second round and not get paired with strong competition so early on like the G2 & note 3 were. I don't know how gsmarena chose the starting matches. Usually they pull names out of a hat. Its a good laugh.
Looks like htc one vs 1020 in the final.
So it's ended up the Nexus 5 vs Lumia 1020 in 1st SF and Lumia 520 vs 1520 :silly:
I suppose that Sony releasing the Z1 was due to the fact the Xperia Z was a bit behind the curve spec wise once the HTC One and S4 were looming.
The Z1 was perfectly timed for me, as the contract on my One X ended in October this year and I fancied a change of manufacturer
I agree that some of those match ups were very silly indeed
I'm pretty sure it'd be random match ups to start the fight..
Like someone said, maybe they pulled names out of a hat.
That's the only way to keep it fair..
It's the way the cookie crumbles ;p
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Well done Nokia employees, you managed to get a winner here.
HTC one losing to 520
Ive been testing a lumia 1520 all weekend and have decided not to keep it.
My main reason being the camera, I timed the z1 camera load time against The 1520, and the 1520 was nearly 2 seconds slower to load the camera and take a pic, for a replacement point and shoot this is too slow to warrant me replacing my z1. If the picture quality had been significantly better, it might have swayed me, but manual mode shots were broadly similar.
The screen on the Lumia was also better, but I think I'll Wait and see what the 1020 and z1 successors will bring.
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Ive been testing a lumia 1520 all weekend and have decided not to keep it.
My main reason being the camera, I timed the z1 camera load time against The 1520, and the 1520 was nearly 2 seconds slower to load the camera and take a pic, for a replacement point and shoot this is too slow to warrant me replacing my z1. If the picture quality had been significantly better, it might have swayed me, but manual mode shots were broadly similar.
The screen on the Lumia was also better, but I think I'll Wait and see what the 1020 and z1 successors will bring.
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Z1 has better video in low light.
From my experience a lot of Nokia Lumia users have an inferiority complex against their Android/Apple counterparts. They're the most aggressive at insulting other phones which are not WP8 because they feel 'special' using an OS that is thought of as being inferior to iOS and Android. So when it comes to competitions like this where it's WP8 vs Android or Lumia vs Android the fanboys come out in full force and smother the competition and then post comments on how the other phones are sh*t and how WP8 has the most potential. Just look at the comments in the GSMArena page. The Z1 sadly didn't stand a chance.
I'm not saying that every WP8 user's like this, I'm sure those fanboys are in the minority, but I know a lot of people with the 1520 and 1020 and they always try to put down my Z1 even if I didn't say anything, as if they're justifying why they bought the Lumia over my Z1. That's just been my experience though.
Z1 got whitewashed by 20000 points. One got beat neck to neck by 520. Damn....
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Hi friends, this will be a test between 3 monster devices
Sony vs Samsung vs Nokia
Note 3
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/20140308_150206.jpg
Z1
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/DSC_0075.JPG
1520
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/WP_20140308_15_02_10_Pro.jpg
and here are the same pictures SIDE BY SIDE
from the left to the right in this order: Note 3... Sony... Nokia
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dp65ngpo3zw5fzy/prova01.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7y98xzot2pccxxb/prova02.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h17ywo2r7s7qong/prova03.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rk9yga8jhiiulf/prova04.jpg
It's very close, but i'd say Nokia is best, and Sony is second.
nikola1970 said:
It's very close, but i'd say Nokia is best, and Sony is second.
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i thing that Samsung and Sony plays together .... and Nokia wins easily ...
other fight
Note 3
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/20140307_120022.jpg
Z1
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/DSC_0074.JPG
1520
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31137430/WP_20140307_11_57_09_Pro.jpg
The Z1 is a blurry mess on that last photo of the mountain. Looks much better in the rest though. I'd say the Nokia is best, but not by much.
The Nokia destroyed them.
Second is the note 3 and unfortunately third is the Z1
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The Nokia destroyed them.
Second is the note 3 and unfortunately third is the Z1
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yes... it's right... this is my opinion too
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i think the Nokia comes first.
Then it's Note 3 and Z1 same. Z1 has more detail but more noise. Note 3 has less detail but less noise.
The Nokia wins then the Z1 and last but not least the Note 3
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Nokia wins.
Colours are far too bright on the other 2
Z1 vs 1520
Hi,
I have Sony Z1 and Nokia Lumia 1520; i take pictures with both since weeks, months; my favorite is the INCREDIBLE NOKIA (Too much noise with Z1)
Regards
1520 kills all. Contrast, color reproduction and dynamic range are so good. About detail, quite similar, but 1520 has the best FoV.
Note 3 seems overly sharp - due to the aggressive algorithm. I don't know, basic comsumers will prefer it, but look at the leaves of the tree, a little bit "abnormal" for me. However, IMO, overall still looks better than Z1. Z1 has nothing so special compared to the other two. Look at the rock of the mountain below and we can see how Note 2 is still better.
One thing about the white balance, I think on 1520 and Z1 a little bit too warm, and a little bit too cold on Note 2. In average is the best.
in these two compares,note 3 is really terrible,knocks out first.
For sure NOKIA is better that SONY here.but far objects in z1 are more bright.but totally 1520 is one step above z1..
hope some CAMERA SOFTWARE improvements on z1 on KitKat.because everyone knows the camera hardware on z1 is really better that those two
Clearly the Nokia has better contrast, and depth of field. The Nokia image is wider angle, combined with a .4 of an f stop advantage with such small image sensors will make a substantial difference to distant objects appearing to be in focus.
On a side note, if you reduce the Sony image down to the same size as the Nokia, then they are much closer in terms of quality.
Sony need to be more smart with their image processing, still far too aggressive with the noise reduction significantly hurting the final result.
Hi !
I have an Xperia S which is dead now :crying: and am looking for a new phone at the moment.
Originally, I was looking at the Moto G 16gb but its got a very bad camera and lack of upgradable storage. So, I'm wondering whether the SP have a good camera or not !
BTW, what about the 4.4 availability ?
Is there any stable 4.4 custom ROM for SP ?
Sp is a good phone. Has a great camera. And feels premium to hold. In fact when my friend got it, I liked it so much that I sold my Galaxy s4 and bought an xperia z. Hope this helps.
Plus Sony makes camera modules for a lot of other manufacturers like Apple iPhones. Samsung galaxy series. So u almost always get a. Good camera with a mid range and higher sony phones
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Sp is a good phone. Has a great camera. And feels premium to hold. In fact when my friend got it, I liked it so much that I sold my Galaxy s4 and bought an xperia z. Hope this helps.
Plus Sony makes camera modules for a lot of other manufacturers like Apple iPhones. Samsung galaxy series. So u almost always get a. Good camera with a mid range and higher sony phones
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Yeah but I read a review saying that the 8 mp camera of the Xperia SP is very poor compared to that of the Xperia L.
I work in a machine design company and I have to take a lot of photos and videos of our products for making quick demos and filing the records. That implies I need a decent camera phone.
The Xperia S and the Samsung Wave I had were good performers in that regard.
I would be checking out the Xperia SP and the Galaxy S4 Mini and may be some LG phones today at this new shopping mall that opened in my city. If I'm not happy, I'll be going for the Moto G.
Its gonna be a good night
For the price you'd be hard pushed to beat the Moto G -- at only £120 sim free for the 8GB model it's an absolute bargain, but it's also a solid performer and has already been updated to 4.4.
Honestly speaking, you'd have to be getting a very good deal to make buying an Xperia SP now a good choice as it's already a year old and even at best would only be officially supported for another six months, which means that bug fixes and other software updates will dry up soon.
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Yeah but I read a review saying that the 8 mp camera of the Xperia SP is very poor compared to that of the Xperia L.
I work in a machine design company and I have to take a lot of photos and videos of our products for making quick demos and filing the records. That implies I need a decent camera phone.
The Xperia S and the Samsung Wave I had were good performers in that regard.
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if you need a good camera, why not go for the Z1 or Z1 compact?
Xperia SP's camera is a huge disappointment, if that's a big thing for you, looks elsewhere. I read that GS4 mini's camera is pretty good (though, it's only 5mpx, if I recall). Where XSP shines is in it's processing power, since it has a decent processor and Adreno 320 GPU, which GS4 mini lacks. However, the lack of KitKat and 1GB of RAM make the Xperia SP hard to recommend.
You should also check Xperia ZR, where I live, it is just $10-$15dls more expensive than Xperia SP. xperia ZR is water-proof and has a 13MPX with a Quad-Core processor.
Xperia Sp camera its no so good. It you want a good camera phone buy a lumia 920/925 or a Galaxy s3 it you want android.
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x.marX said:
I would be checking out the Xperia SP and the Galaxy S4 Mini and may be some LG phones today at this new shopping mall that opened in my city. If I'm not happy, I'll be going for the Moto G.
Its gonna be a good night
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Didn't happen, they closed their shop early coz its the weekend
MagicMagicD said:
For the price you'd be hard pushed to beat the Moto G -- at only £120 sim free for the 8GB model it's an absolute bargain, but it's also a solid performer and has already been updated to 4.4.
Honestly speaking, you'd have to be getting a very good deal to make buying an Xperia SP now a good choice as it's already a year old and even at best would only be officially supported for another six months, which means that bug fixes and other software updates will dry up soon.
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I'm from India and I'm getting the Xperia SP for ~300 USD (18000 INR) and yeah the Moto G 16 GB is available here for ~233 USD.
As for updates, I don't care as long as there is custom ROMs available.
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if you need a good camera, why not go for the Z1 or Z1 compact?
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Xperia SP's camera is a huge disappointment, if that's a big thing for you, looks elsewhere. I read that GS4 mini's camera is pretty good (though, it's only 5mpx, if I recall). Where XSP shines is in it's processing power, since it has a decent processor and Adreno 320 GPU, which GS4 mini lacks. However, the lack of KitKat and 1GB of RAM make the Xperia SP hard to recommend.
You should also check Xperia ZR, where I live, it is just $10-$15dls more expensive than Xperia SP. xperia ZR is water-proof and has a 13MPX with a Quad-Core processor.
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S4 Mini have a 8 mp camera as well.
Xperia ZR was actually my first target but its expensive here (~430 USD).
Darth_Xardas said:
Xperia Sp camera its no so good. It you want a good camera phone buy a lumia 920/925 or a Galaxy s3 it you want android.
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After dropping the ZR from my list, I thought about getting the S3 but I hear its battery backup is not that great and yeah, I hate the rounded design Samsung uses. I think their Bada phones look much much better.
BTW, there are some rumers about the Xperia M2 and Xperia G being priced really low to compete with the Moto G. I wonder how low Sony would go in pricing them !
Xperia SP's camera is so pathetic that I am sure Moto G's pics will be much better than SP's. The reason I bought SP is its processing power and awesome design.
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Xperia SP's camera is so pathetic that I am sure Moto G's pics will be much better than SP's. The reason I bought SP is its processing power and awesome design.
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Is it that bad ?
BTW, if mediatek guys were a bit more "open", the Huawei Ascend g700 would have been a great buy for me....great camera, lots of RAM, good IPS Lcd display etc. But,AFAIK, there is no custom ROMs or any other development for that phone because there is minimal support from mediatek for custom android development projects
You are concerned about SP camera but not about moto G camera? Haha. My friend has moto G, ant trust me, if you need (seems like that's your main priority) decent camera dont eve think about moto G. I have chosen SP over moto G and they both are about the same price.
Yet if you have doubts about SP camera, you can look into S3/S4mini (I considered those as options for me, but SP in overall seemed a better choice) or lumia 920 (I also considered this, but I need option too record my calls and WPs cant offer this yet L920 camera is amazing and I would assume price would be similar if its still available in sale).
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You are concerned about SP camera but not about moto G camera? Haha. My friend has moto G, ant trust me, if you need (seems like that's your main priority) decent camera dont eve think about moto G. I have chosen SP over moto G and they both are about the same price.
Yet if you have doubts about SP camera, you can look into S3/S4mini (I considered those as options for me, but SP in overall seemed a better choice) or lumia 920 (I also considered this, but I need option too record my calls and WPs cant offer this yet L920 camera is amazing and I would assume price would be similar if its still available in sale).
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I thought Moto G's camera was betther than SP's
The problem with Samsung is that their designs look so awful to me. Sony and HTC are much much better.
I'm an Opera Mini/Mobile/Desktop addict, can't use any other browser (lots of bookmarks and notes in the Opera in my account) and sadly, that rules WP devices like 920.
My options currently:
1. Blackberry Z10. If it has an android ROM, I would be going for this one but there isn't any AFAIK.
2. Upcoming Xperia G
3. Xperia SP
4. Xperia ZR
5. Samsung GS4 Mini
6. Samsung GS3
trust me
x.marX said:
I thought Moto G's camera was betther than SP's
The problem with Samsung is that their designs look so awful to me. Sony and HTC are much much better.
I'm an Opera Mini/Mobile/Desktop addict, can't use any other browser (lots of bookmarks and notes in the Opera in my account) and sadly, that rules WP devices like 920.
My options currently:
1. Blackberry Z10. If it has an android ROM, I would be going for this one but there isn't any AFAIK.
2. Upcoming Xperia G
3. Xperia SP
4. Xperia ZR
5. Samsung GS4 Mini
6. Samsung GS3
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Good to know that we are on the same track about Samesong. I hate them.
Z10 was an option for me too, but it was too little hardware for the the price for me, so I left it out yet it seems to work flawlessly in youtube videos. Also it is very sexy device and since 10.2.1 OS update it supports .apk files so basically its an android with Blackberry stuff. Why would you need a ROM for Z10? Just for sake of flashing something or there is serious reason?
Xperia G seems ok. Is it known when it will be available? Are you ready to wait (and possibly wait to find out if you would afford it when its released)?
x.marX said:
Is it that bad ?
BTW, if mediatek guys were a bit more "open", the Huawei Ascend g700 would have been a great buy for me....great camera, lots of RAM, good IPS Lcd display etc. But,AFAIK, there is no custom ROMs or any other development for that phone because there is minimal support from mediatek for custom android development projects
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If your deciding factor is based the camera, I suggest you check this out:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5831&idPhone2=5364
As you can see, the SP may have a bigger pixel count but the image is over processed and has a lot of chromatic noise. If you need to zoom into a picture to look at small text, it may not be an ideal phone for you.
However, as an overall package (build quality, performance, battery life) it's probably the best phone in its price range.
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Good to know that we are on the same track about Samesong. I hate them.
Z10 was an option for me too, but it was too little hardware for the the price for me, so I left it out yet it seems to work flawlessly in youtube videos. Also it is very sexy device and since 10.2.1 OS update it supports .apk files so basically its an android with Blackberry stuff. Why would you need a ROM for Z10? Just for sake of flashing something or there is serious reason?
Xperia G seems ok. Is it known when it will be available? Are you ready to wait (and possibly wait to find out if you would afford it when its released)?
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Samesong :laugh: apt name :good:
Yes, I love the launchers for the Android and the look and feel of different ROMS like MIUI, CM etc. Its so amazing. I don't think the BB10 would support that much of customization
I'm waiting for the Xperia G..hope that I can afford it.
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If your deciding factor is based the camera, I suggest you check this out:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5831&idPhone2=5364
As you can see, the SP may have a bigger pixel count but the image is over processed and has a lot of chromatic noise. If you need to zoom into a picture to look at small text, it may not be an ideal phone for you.
However, as an overall package (build quality, performance, battery life) it's probably the best phone in its price range.
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The Moto G and the SP look so awful, doesn't it ? Samsung S4 mini's pic look really nice and detailed even matching the iPhone 5.
@x.marX
Go get Moto X.
Period.
I don't know where you reside , but if you have got access to Moto Maker , get a customized Moto X. The camera and the processioning power is alot better than Xperia SP. But Xperia SP's design is far better than its competitors.
But since Xperia SP is getting old, I think Moto X would be a better choice regarding the future updates , camera and performance.
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@x.marX
Go get Moto X.
Period.
I don't know where you reside , but if you have got access to Moto Maker , get a customized Moto X. The camera and the processioning power is alot better than Xperia SP. But Xperia SP's design is far better than its competitors.
But since Xperia SP is getting old, I think Moto X would be a better choice regarding the future updates , camera and performance.
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We have Moto X here but the full fledged Moto Maker won't be ready any time soon.
I'm not a big fan of Moto X btw.
1. "Rounded design" - not my cup of tea
2. Memory not expandable - I have a lot of FLAC audio files
3. Non-removable battery
Only advantage of SP over G is the memocard and LTE.
If you can live without them get MotoG/16GB and you'll be OK.
I changed from Moto G to SP, but regret it...
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We have Moto X here but the full fledged Moto Maker won't be ready any time soon.
I'm not a big fan of Moto X btw.
1. "Rounded design" - not my cup of tea
2. Memory not expandable - I have a lot of FLAC audio files
3. Non-removable battery
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If possible try to save enough money for Xperia ZR or LG Optimus G. Since both the product are getting pretty old, you may have huge discounts on them.
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
http://gsminsider.com/2015/10/sharp...ecifications-features-price-and-availability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyIN6cxuWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTguV9v9acc
I wouldn't call it a compact pro, snapdragon 808 is far from the 810, the 100 mAh difference won't counter the fact that need it needs to drive four times as many pixels but the IGZO screen might help a bit but I rather go with the IPS screen. While the Z5 series camera seems to have some issues (most likely software) 13MP is a far cry from 23. The RAM is nice but doubt it will do much difference in the long run.
I could maybe see it as an alternative to the Z5C but it is in no way it's superior, it's also IP67 (from what info I can find) which is a far cry from IP65 and IP68 even though Sony has gone back a bit on their marketing for it.
Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
its no competition because sharp only aims for the asian market.
There needs to be more competition in this market. I'm still plenty satisfied with my Z3C and while neither the Z5C nor the Aquos Compact are a big enough step up for me to consider upgrading, I'm glad that another player as entered.
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
boojay said:
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
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I had a Samsung Captivate 5 years ago and remember seeing an Incredible around that time. It really felt amazing in the hand and it made me jealous.
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Woza72 said:
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
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I would be even more interested in the Z5C if it had those specs. I don't understand why the Compact is still the only real flagship in a smaller size. No one else seems interested in competing with Sony.
I'm jealous of the Camara opening speed. Lol
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
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Oh shoot, It's cakefish from NotebookReview. I knew your profile icon looked familiar.
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Yes, I also owned Z1c and Z5c now. Was also looking forward on sharp phones but nowadays they are very hard to root, so a no go to me.
I didn't make this video. I wanted to share it since I found that the video shows the true potential of the Xperia X series.
Display is a lot better than the normal Xperia Z5(fhd).
You will see a difference in the camera quality as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g5SJq-Jag20
Credits to mobile geeks.de for making such a good comparison between Z5 and Xperia X series. :fingers-crossed:
Really looks like an exciting device. Just about the same size as the N5, but a little heavier...metal back and general Sony goodness. I love it - sold.
Would be nice if it was available sometime before 2017 though. In the US. With regular software security updates.
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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I wouldn't count that as a reliable source. But if that is true then the xperia x performance is pretty much an xperia z6 in disguise.
Why would they make a Z6 if they have the XP? Lol. XP is the new flagship.
I hope the X is only around $400. I've always just wanted a mid-range phone with a high end camera. Only thing that stopped me from getting the Nexus 5X was no sd-card and my Z3 is still good.
imho sony really messed up the pricing on this ones :| 599eur for the x with a 1080p 5" screen , snapdragon 650 and 2600mah battery???? what are they thinking?
699eur for the x performance sounds a little better with the snapdragon 820 but spending 700eur to upgrade from my z2 to this is not worth it for me unless a z6 is announced with better specs my next phone probably won't be a sony :crying:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/22/xperia-x-family-priced-in-europe-pre-orders-now-live/
No, they still have the Z series
But they announced X series just as a threat to the competitions.
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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Also Engadget confirmed it today which seems to have an official source: http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sony-no-xperia-z6/
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware.
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But going by your own logic there, the Xperia X is a worthy flagship, no?
It has the fastest cpu,
It has the fastest ram
It has improved screen,
It has stereo speakers
And the improved camera.
Take it from me, I have no intention in buying X, because I have Z5p. But come IFA, the letter won't mean jack if the specs match my expectations of a flagship.
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It has the fastest cpu --> check (x performance only)
It has the fastest ram --> only 3gb, benchmarks not available yet so not sure it'll be the fastest ram available.
It has improved screen --> maybe be improved color wise but it's smaller and the same technology.
It has stereo speakers --> check (and if i go to another brand i'll definitively miss the front stereo speakers a LOT )
And the improved camera --> somewhat, will have to see after the device is released
For a sony 2016 flagship i think it's missing usb 3.0 connectivity (deal breaker for me in 2016) , a bigger battery, 4gb of ram and at the very least 64gb of FAST internal storage. Wireless charging and an ir blaster would be an welcome bonus but not a deal breaker.
The screen size drop to 5.0" makes no sense to me either especially given the 68.1% screen-to-body ratio. 5.2 or 5.5" as in z5p would be fine.
AGAIN i'll have to reinforce I NEVER said the x series is a sh*t device (quote me if a did), i'm just stating my personal opinion that it doesn't feel like a true flagship, especially for the 700eur price.
Anyway this will be the last post i'll make on this thread. I have only stated MY opinion, i've not been aggressive/stupid and i did not make any personal attack against anyone. I don't know why some people are turning this into a personal war, and i do have better stuff to do with my time so i'm out.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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Spoken like a true child.
My post makes perfect sense but I see already you're beginning to backpedal from someone whom just quoted you. I'll break it down for you.
1. only a child on forums (cliché of the last 4yrs) claims someone who doesn't agree with their opinion about a brand works for said brand (first bold quote above). Hence why I said grow up!
2. When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device
^ I stated that sales are affecting Sony's decision here to consolidate screen size and the specs along with shipping times and the brand sub-model here. SPECIFICATIONS like Skills or knowledge means nothing. It's sales to a company that continues to be a going-concern (accounting term) to make revenues that turn into profits and when sales don't go in that regard changes are inevitable for good or for worse, get used to this regardless if you don't like or do like the device ... change is here and in perfect timing. And like skills or knowledge both mean nothing without the means and the will to act ... using them (like drawing talent in a child that doesn't wish to pursue a career in that regard, drawing or visual arts is a useless skill).
3. great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery
Xperia Z5 Premium boasted the best screen (at least in terms of resolution and ppi).
The LG G Pro also released in April 2014 as teh Z2 had Li-Ion 3200 mAh battery http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php
having a huge battery ... means nothing if the cpu, screen, storage and ram guzzles. Battery consumption efficiency and recharging efficiency is KEY because it's all about using the device.
4. Price ... this is a HUGE concern for what you get. No disagreements here from me ... BUT I did specifically state it's about getting more sales but more profits (the key) for Sony.
3 phones all sharing 5" LCD displays and resolution
All have the same storage options - consolidating and benefiting on economies of scale.
what you get vs what you loose in bold below. I've left out the battery because nobody knows the talk-time (continuous) standby time or continuous video/music playback times between the two on a production phone BUT if it increases you may reconsider.
XPeria X Performance (slightly smaller by dimensions but not Z5 Compact
5.0 inches (~68.1% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo
Adreno 530
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
Radio: NONE
USB: microUSB v2.0, USB Host
Xperia Z5
5.2 inches (~69.6% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~428 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.0 GHz Cortex-A57
Adreno 430
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 5.1 MP, f/2.4, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, apt-X
Radio: FM radio with RDS
USB: microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
At the end of the day your opinions are yours to make ... just stop being so childish about it and realize you can VOTE with your hard earned cheddar! Seems you didn't get this the first time around.
Why the fight?
I agree with @ptmaniac that its a decent phone; but its targeted for mid-rangers because the price is definitely a deal-breaker for specs like that of mid-2015.
Sony has made VERY GOOD phones in the past but coming up with X series with little to no improvements - puts the deal off. (4gb RAM, AMOLED Screen, at-least Better photo Quality on your phones when you use the same sensor you distribute to others) (My Note5, costing lesser, will defeat XP on all grounds. Wait till the phone comes in market and check out the comparison people do).
I myself have been a user of Z1 Compact (A true mini flagship) for 1.5 years, but NOW Sony doesn't feel like they are giving any value-for-money devices.
+1 on the support for Sony devices on xda. Kudos to every1 on that.
Its a personal opinion in the end. You want to buy, please go ahead and enjoy
We just dont feel like spending 700 for a mid-ranger specd phone.
Don't say we when you mean you. Again its a difference of opinion and view. Not a fight. We've already worked out our views in PM. No need to investigate.
The Z5compact is also a true small form flagship device: none has the same 810 CPU with 2GB ram and 32GB internal storage! None.
Since you're talking about a 3generation old phone you haven't seen value for the dollar in almost 3yrs not sure how you're even mentioning about this product. You mention awaiting for comparison but state camera should be better? Conundrum?
What do you think about this phone ?
Yes!
Need to see if the camera is up to snuff first
It depends on the difference between xz2 and xz2 premium. Right now I am leaning to an Asian version of XZ2, but if the new camera design does something novel, then I might consider it.
Most probably depending on the camera quality
I’m hoping to purchase it. I enjoy my photography and have loved Sony phones in the past. Love the build quality of the XZ2 from what I’ve seen. Almost purchased the XZ2 until the premium was just announced.
Some of my previous phones have been fairly heavy in the past so should be able to adapt to it again lol. Have a iPhone X at present so use to the dongle now as well as Bluetooth headphones so no big problem there.
If the picture quality can match or supersede the current crop of smartphones Sony can have my money. They make great sensors but if they can also get the software right ie speed of capture etc they’ll be onto a winner. I know at present phone cameras will never match the likes of my dslr or Sony compact camera but it’s nice to be able to take impromptu shots. Looking forward to the release even though they’re saying it may not come to the U.K.
I'm definitely thinking about it. Depends a lot on how the camera fares in real life and what other manufacturers will offer. For now I'm torn between the xz2p, p20 pro, and maybe u12, op6 or whatever Nokia is going to bring us with the X. It's gonna be a tough choice.
I am.
Although a couple of things bother me, i would have liked a bit more screen to body & i really don't understand why they removed the invisible fingerprint sensor from the power button!
other than that, everything is looking top-spec as id expect.
I am in!
It depends on the camera because I have XZ2 . But higher probability is that I will buy it and grab another gift from Sony. I am wondering what gift will they give with XZ2 Premium.
No XZ2 forum ? I've had the XZ2 in the uk for the last 2 weeks, really really good phone, came from a Pixel 2 XL which i always found a bit big... Battery life with the new processor is incredible, sony have done a great job... Camera is pretty good not as good as the Pixel 2 XL, but not to far away...
Yup, didn't bother getting the XZ2, will just get this instead!
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they give with XZ2 Premium.
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5.8" 4K display, dual cameras, 6GB ram etc.
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No XZ2 forum ?
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Yes
FartyParty said:
Yup, didn't bother getting the XZ2, will just get this instead!
5.8" display, dual cameras, 6GB ram etc.
Yes
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Nice one, for some reason couldn't find it lol... ta...
it depends on camera quality
i hate 18:9 or taller displays. so my options are xz2p and probably mate 20
yes, but need to research on features
yup, my z5 is getting very old so i need an upgrade and i can't wait untill the xz3 premium is launched :lol:
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yup, my z5 is getting very old so i need an upgrade and i can't wait untill the xz3 premium is launched :lol:
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Can't wait until somebody gets their hands on the phone an I can watch some reviews. Seems like Sony just announced it and now they just let it be forgotten. New HTC and Oneplus will come and I probably will have bought something else before we hear any more news again
For sure. It´s the most promising camera setup so far (except P20 Pro maybe) and I also had XZ2, which is a great phone. We only have to know when they release it... "Summer" could mean June or end of August. Even in Japan NTT Docomo talks about "Summer". Sony said now at their latest investor conference they will focus with Sony Mobile on European market. So I really hope that they release this phone better today than tomorrow.
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It depends on the difference between xz2 and xz2 premium. Right now I am leaning to an Asian version of XZ2, but if the new camera design does something novel, then I might consider it.
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Now, more than likely I got the XZ2 and I am really enjoying it.
It really depends. If they release it soon, I may jump on it. But if they wait until the end of summer, I'm probably going to wait and see what the Pixel 3 XL offers.
Yes