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Nexus Two *Isn't* Dead

PC Magazine: Back in January, I had this really interesting talk with Erick Tseng about the Nexus One, which was supposed to offer an alternative retail model by which Americans could pick their phone and technology and carrier independently. But that doesn't seem to have panned out.
Andy Rubin: Making unlocked phones available in the U.S. is still a possibility. Whether that's simply acquired only online or through traditional retail channels - that's what got canceled. So we have to decide how to make unlocked phones available in the U.S.
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Much more at: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2370464,00.asp
Interesting... Looks like the Nexus line of unlocked phones still has quite a bit more life to it yet. Just the online store that's dead. Google's still thinking up a storm on this one. Hmmmm

Good news that, would certainly prefer another dev phone when the N1 has reach the end of it's useful life for me (not that I am expecting that to be anytime soon).

Oh yes, the best Rubi could do, a Nex2.

I'd just be happy if they continued to offer developer phones in the same way they're currently offering the N1.

I don't see how any of this implies there will be a nexus two. We have clearly been told there will be no nexus two. There was a lot more to the nexus one than being available unlocked.

irishrally said:
I don't see how any of this implies there will be a nexus two. We have clearly been told there will be no nexus two. There was a lot more to the nexus one than being available unlocked.
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Yes, there probably won't be a "Nexus Two" literally speaking. But the spirit of the Nexus One phone, meaning a 100% unlocked, carrier-untouched phone, is definitely not dead, as implied by Andy Rubin's statements.
In other words, a phone that everyone reading this forum would be interested in for the same reason they bought a Nexus One.

Nah, I been saying it all along. Google loses a lot of money when carriers do things like install bing. Its always been about pushing ads and thats not going to change in a world where people increasingly dont turn on a computer but rather use their smartphone for things like email and other traditional pc activites. I'm sure most of you have read Erics comments on the money at stake if each android phone only generates 10 dollars in ad revenues. For those that didnt the word billions is the one you need to use to describe it. Google has a very serious and compelling interest in breaking the carrier based subbed phone business model and the N1 was only a test run. Why not shoot for the moon and hopefully have a very profitable hardware business along with your core business? My expectation is that for the next go around there will be deals with best buy, radio shack and other large brick and morters to carry the N2 by any other name in stock. According to google the single largest reason people choose not to buy an N1 was not price but rather the combination of the price without the opportunity to fondle the device before plunking down their hard earned ching. Getting them in every best buy gaurantees that fondling can be had by those who seek it. This time expect an ad campaign of droid proportions.
No I dont have an uncle high in Google corporate this is my reading of the tea leaves, fearless prediction if you will.

You're overlooking the most secret and well-kept secret of the Nexus One.
Google installed worker elves inside of it. When they're ready to push out the Nexus Two, the worker elves will get instructions OTA on how to upgrade the hardware.
Those running custom ROMs will have to flash manually.

Great find there Paul
I read the interview before and was pissed that Andy said there would be no Gizmo integration into Google Voice but you obviously looked at the positive instead
Long live the spirit of the N1!
Hope Google turns the greedy bastards of the cell phone industry on their head eventually.

Please please please bring in plain unlocked Android phone with AWS support. Look at G2 and you'll understand why.

I don't know about a Nexus Two, but I never assumed that there would never be another Dev phone, there will always be a dev phone, whether it continues the Nexus line of awesomeness is another question.

I'll take one !
Bring it !

Nexus One sized (no 4.3" tablet)
Nexus One stylish
Super LCD or Super AMOLED WITHOUT Pentile
Vertical slider keyboard
Louder rear speaker
Latest mobile phone CPU and GPU
That's my list of what an N2 should be, anyway Vertical slider is personally my favorite type of keyboard, as you can use it one-handed easily.. I actually rarely used my HW keyboards on my two previous phones besides they were side-sliders and often I'm on the move.

Off topic, but I'm more eager to see an 'unlocked' google tv, or atleast a version for a DIY HTPC.
Also is Chrome OS dead? There can only be one!!

khaytsus said:
Nexus One sized (no 4.3" tablet)
Nexus One stylish
Super LCD or Super AMOLED WITHOUT Pentile
Vertical slider keyboard
Louder rear speaker
Latest mobile phone CPU and GPU
That's my list of what an N2 should be, anyway Vertical slider is personally my favorite type of keyboard, as you can use it one-handed easily.. I actually rarely used my HW keyboards on my two previous phones besides they were side-sliders and often I'm on the move.
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HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.

jasrups said:
HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.
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+1... hate added bulk of a hardware keyboard. I like my phone to be able to fit in my front pocket without people thinking I am getting an erection you know?

What makes you think anyone is looking? lol More on topic I used to love the full keyboard but frankly I do pretty well with swype and the tradeoff on bulk doesnt pencil out for me anymore. No reason they couldnt have two versions though.....

another vote for NO hardware keyboard....what a bad idea...ruins the form factor and it's not needed

I thought he meant, there will be other unlocked phones .... not necessarily from google or in the spirit of the nexus one.

jasrups said:
HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.
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Actually, the Moto Droid I handled once only seemed to be a just a little thicker than my Nexus...

[Q] Nexus One died in an accident - Advice on new phone?

So I was in a car crash and my N1 and car are goners. Well for my N1 it's only the screen that's cracked (inside, not the outside glass) but it's going to cost me upwards of $290 to get it repaired (I'm out of the states not near any repair centre etc) so that really sucks.
This thread is not to cry about it but looking for a proper replacement.
Like I said I'm out of the states and GSM/UMTS is what I need not CDMA and no contract options are available from carriers here so it's only fully unlocked (or with the potential to be) that will work for me.
I liked Stock Android but positively loved HTC Sense
So I was looking at either
1. Still trying to repair for the price above
2. A vendor here has HTC Desire HD - That would fit the HTC Sense wish but I hear there are battery issues(I've seen 'fixes' but no idea how well they work), the speaker's max volume is sort of low, I'm also worried about how good handsfree operation is (whether the mike works well etc)
3. Nexus S (that will be a few hurdles away to get it shipped to my country) but I'm sad about it being made by Sammy (could it mean no Sense would run on it - just speculation), then I was hoping it would have dual cores (that would be a nice upgrade), amazed it doesn't have 720p video recording in this day and age, sad it doesn't have hdmi out or microsd expansion (in that car crash the fact that I backed my stuff up on the sd card made me realise the importance)
4. Wait for the next decent (HTC?) dual core which could be way out.
Right now I'm using a stupid Blackberry that I absolutely hate. I didn't realise how much I could do with my phone until it was taken away.
So please shoot away and I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum

MyTouch 4 is your choice.

You can buy replacement screens off ebay, it really isnt that difficult to install one.

I would wait til January if possible. Lots of new stuff coming from HTC.

Maybe a Nokia 3310?
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1) Replace the screen later after buying one from ebay.
2) Nexus S.
3) Make do with anything & wait for dual cores to come out.
In the end, only you can answer these!

I did not realise you could get replacement screens on Ebay. With the 'shortages' in amoled. I can certainly do that if it will work. I'll look around for pointers on changing the screen but if someone already has a link handy I'd appreciate it.
I don't think I have anyway of getting a Mytouch 4g to where I live.
And if I can replace the screen then yes I can definitely hold off purchasing another phone till Dual cores are up and about. I did not intend to replace this phone till June/July next year
Thanks for your input everyone.
Edit: I've just browsed ebay rapidly. I see they sell the screen 'without' the digitizer. I'm unsure if I will need one or not. I'm also seeing that amoleds are about $75 and the reference is H78. I'd just like to make sure that I will be buying the right thing =[
Ps: I am SO opening my bootloader after that =\

I would try to wait for the dual cores to come out as its close if you can stand the Blackberry for a few months.
At least that is what I would do.

Ford Fiesta. Car bumped into me while I was at around 35Mph and i went under a MiniVan.
Something else that's putting me off changing phones is I have my Car Dock for my N1 as well as an extra battery. I am amazed at how there's no real dock for Desire/HD or samsungs.
Believe me Lythandra I wish I could wait but I can't even bring myself to put back contact numbers on this BlackBerry. Plus there's so much that can be done on Android. Which reminds me I'll lose my privileged unlimited Tags on Shazam if I change phone
Edit: Does anyone think there'll be a Sense rom with 720p for the Nexus S?

I would buy the phone Google supports the most (just as the Nexus One), so I would go for the Nexus S

One more question. Does the Desire use exactly the same screen and internal connections? Cause this guy from an HTC shop here says they only do HTC's branded as HTC's and that they do repair Desire screens.
I thought this was incredibly stupid

RAZR...nuff said.

If you want Sense UI, then it makes sense (haha) to go for a phone that supports it natively, saves the pain and bugs of trying to get something to run on something it was never designed for. I tried a Sense UI ROM on my N1 when I had it, and it had a few annoying bugs for me, despite otherwise being a fairly decent port.
The Desire for me is a better phone, if you can look beyond noise cancelling and the silly coloured track ball, which is nice, but hardly anything to get that excited about; the desire has a hardware buttons which are much, MUCH nicer to use than those crap soft touch buttons on the N1. Said it all to me how other people really struggled to use the N1 when I let them have a play because the buttons are so unresponsive. Even after several months I had got used to them, but they still irritated.
If you're in the US though, naturally you have many more options available to you... I only know about stuff you can get in the UK.
There is one guy on a forum I visit who recently returned his Desire HD, stating he was really disappointed with the battery life and screen, and saying he would rather have the Desire. Make of that what you will.

if u plan to spend lots of money for a new phone i would wait till dual-core android HTC device.don't fall for the out dated nexus s which justa galaxy s made by "samsung".wait till january for HTC's release of dual-core android beasts.

Well I'm not in the US, I'm on an island in the indian ocean.
Anyways I'm thinking I'll give the repair a try. If that doesn't work (because of a busted digitiser or w/e) then I'll think again.
Btw I love my N1 trackball and got used to the "got to press them a particular way" soft buttons.
I love the trackball because I can set a different colour for different events. Say 1 colour for the gf's text messages, 1 colour for when work is calling. That way at a glance (when the phone's on my desk or not in my pocket) I know what it is. Saddens me they're not keeping that trend.

Airbag888 said:
So I was in a car crash and my N1 and car are goners.
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Are you ok?

geemaan said:
Are you ok?
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Lol yes. Like I said 35Mph crash, looks impressive but it was a squishy car and just this time my N1 was on the passenger seat instead of the dock so it flew in the windshield. Irony wants that the airbag slapped me in the face

+1 get a replacement on ebay and attempt it yourself or with a knowledgeable friend. Is been done by folks right here at xda.
I find it interesting that your id is Airbag...

britoso said:
+1 get a replacement on ebay and attempt it yourself or with a knowledgeable friend. Is been done by folks right here at xda.
I find it interesting that your id is Airbag...
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Hence the irony

Airbag888 said:
Hence the irony
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LOL i thought you created an account as a result of the crash

Buyer`s remorse, post here!!

Stop complaining about buying an incomplete device in other sections and post them here. Getting tired of unhelpful info being thrown around on XDA.
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I love my xoom and would never return it, just getting tired of stupid post and tools with no experience lol.

My only remorse is that I didn't buy it on the first day of release.

erzhik said:
My only remorse is that I didn't buy it on the first day of release.
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+1
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sirius b said:
+1
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+50
Lol

I am still on the fence. Just got mine a couple of days ago. I have had a handful of problems with apps FC'ing. What I think is really dumb is the case that Staples sells puts the power plug on the bottom so you cant use the Xoom propped up and have it plugged in at the same time.
I am also not convinced yet that I am a good candidate for a tablet. I create a lot of content but don't consume a lot of content. I still have to grab my laptop to do photo editing, faster text editing, video chatting (other than the GTalk app). I don't think a lot of my issues are specific to the Xoom or more Android 3.0 compatibility issues.
I think the vast majority of problems will be sorted out soon but I am not sure I need to pay full price to be an early adopter yet.

KerryG said:
I am still on the fence. Just got mine a couple of days ago. I have had a handful of problems with apps FC'ing. What I think is really dumb is the case that Staples sells puts the power plug on the bottom so you cant use the Xoom propped up and have it plugged in at the same time.
I am also not convinced yet that I am a good candidate for a tablet. I create a lot of content but don't consume a lot of content. I still have to grab my laptop to do photo editing, faster text editing, video chatting (other than the GTalk app). I don't think a lot of my issues are specific to the Xoom or more Android 3.0 compatibility issues.
I think the vast majority of problems will be sorted out soon but I am not sure I need to pay full price to be an early adopter yet.
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you can change the landscape mode but that turning it around so the charger is on top then lock the screen.

Ok... here's my rant ....
My main regret is ....
Why the hell is carphone warehouse making me wait until April 19th to get my damn XOOM.
HTFU
(H for Hurry)
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haha i made the thread so i diddn't have to listen to people ***** about there xoom. I'm pretty happy that the real people are *****in bout not getting it sooner keep it up xoomers !

znfrazier said:
you can change the landscape mode but that turning it around so the charger is on top then lock the screen.
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Yes, but then the holes for the camera arent in the right place, plus the case is just weak, doesnt hold well and the Xoom slides down and turns the volume down. The case is just a bad design.

ITT: Irony
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znfrazier said:
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Lol
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+599 (totally worth the price tag)

Love mine, don't plan on selling it anytime soon. And once Honeycomb matures, this thing will be a beast!

I'm about to return my xoom, primarily because the touchscreen stopped responding. Which is a gigantic problem on a buttonless device!!!!!!!!!
I think I am going to go for my money back, and possibly buy the 16gb version when it comes out to save a few bucks.
I am tempted to get an iPad2, which makes me feel like an asshole but all the good apps are on there now. However I am learning java and will hopefully have time to write some apps soon, thereby making an empty app store more of a positive than negative.
Before anyone flames me for thinking of getting an ipad, its just cause I feel like its the one form factor device where I might not care as much if its locked down (of course I will jailbreak it on day one if I get it, and will be dual-booting android on it sometime after the ASOP comes out, google...)
If all I want to do with this device is read/watch/consume content, and ipad has all the content right now, it kinda makes sense. And I am confident the ipad2 could be an awesome honeycomb device. With the amount of sales it has had there should be enough interest in that as a project. Enough to give the google all the more reason to hold off on releasing the source code. Dammit..

mau006 said:
I'm about to return my xoom, primarily because the touchscreen stopped responding. Which is a gigantic problem on a buttonless device!!!!!!!!!
I think I am going to go for my money back, and possibly buy the 16gb version when it comes out to save a few bucks.
I am tempted to get an iPad2, which makes me feel like an asshole but all the good apps are on there now. However I am learning java and will hopefully have time to write some apps soon, thereby making an empty app store more of a positive than negative.
Before anyone flames me for thinking of getting an ipad, its just cause I feel like its the one form factor device where I might not care as much if its locked down (of course I will jailbreak it on day one if I get it, and will be dual-booting android on it sometime after the ASOP comes out, google...)
If all I want to do with this device is read/watch/consume content, and ipad has all the content right now, it kinda makes sense. And I am confident the ipad2 could be an awesome honeycomb device. With the amount of sales it has had there should be enough interest in that as a project. Enough to give the google all the more reason to hold off on releasing the sthource code. Dammit..
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Nobody will flame you. Its personal preference. Some ppl like changing devices to fit there pref and some choose to use their device as just consuming data. Don't worry. This device will eventually run stable. We just have to wait.

Do you know me? What should you care if I flame you? The only time I would care if you buy an I pad would be if you bought it with MY money.
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I don't know if I got a better xoom than most if the people here but I am freaking loving this thing. The screen is beautiful, the white's are actually white, something I have not seen on anything except the Apple devices. I get no lag whatsoever on my home screens after oc'ing to 1.5 governor set at interactive, and the stereo speakers are really nice. I absolutely love this thing. I got a sweet car dock from a dealer in the UK so I can use it as a bad ass head unit in my car, and when its hooked up to my system with great speakers and 2 12's in the trunk it sounds as good or better than my gf's iPhone 5, something I have never found with any other android device, even my inspire with srs sound. Yes, it has some bugs but for what I need it to do it does it wonderful. I am using it as a complete laptop replacement. I am actually thinking of selling my macbook pro. And I think we are not gonna get many people posting here about their gripes with the device because...
1. They want to start their own post for attention/tolling
2. They don't use the search button
3. There is far to much effort for them to actually read through a forum for the appropriate place to post
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laxwillsch said:
I don't know if I got a better xoom than most if the people here but I am freaking loving this thing. The screen is beautiful, the white's are actually white, something I have not seen on anything except the Apple devices. I get no lag whatsoever on my home screens after oc'ing to 1.5 governor set at interactive, and the stereo speakers are really nice. I absolutely love this thing. I got a sweet car dock from a dealer in the UK so I can use it as a bad ass head unit in my car, and when its hooked up to my system with great speakers and 2 12's in the trunk it sounds as good or better than my gf's iPhone 5, something I have never found with any other android device, even my inspire with srs sound. Yes, it has some bugs but for what I need it to do it does it wonderful. I am using it as a complete laptop replacement. I am actually thinking of selling my macbook pro. And I think we are not gonna get many people posting here about their gripes with the device because...
1. They want to start their own post for attention/tolling
2. They don't use the search button
3. There is far to much effort for them to actually read through a forum for the appropriate place to post
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LMAO, i hate me some trolls, im made this post hoping it would attract them all but i guess i was wrong lol. stupid people. guess they never used a forum before.

I regret buying the Xoom because I should have waited for a tablet that is thinner, lighter, better screen, working micro sd slot, working 4G and has a pen input, a nornal micro usb that is rechargeable, and most importantly can play high profile .mkv 1080p without needing to do any conversion.
How come no company can do it right?
My biggest question is:
How come no European country make any tablets?
If Germany and Italy can create Mercedes, BMW, Farrari and Lamborghini, they can certainly make a measly sub $1,000 tech device.

keep on waiting. wait on, while we enjoy out Xoom. the best thing invented since the internet. Xoom, Xoom, Xoom...

May I offer these words of encouragement to anyone who has bought a Xoom but who hasn't been involved with Android and modded ROMS before?
The out of the box is not overly impressive when compared, as it inevitaly will be, with the iPad. It is disconcerting to have Forced Closes on a device costing what it does as regularly as one does. And there is not much eye-candy included either.
However, the hardware specs are so good that I have little doubt that the Xoom will be the equivalent of the HTC HD2 (which if you don't know started as a Windows Mobile 6 phone, got Froyo and then Gingerbread and now dual boots into Android or Windows Phone 7!) once the developers get their hands on the source code.
Hang onto your Xoom and you will see in the weeks to come that it will get better and better and, instead of having a gadget which is all shiny and cool for the first week and then becomes old news, you will have a gadget that keeps improving as each new ROM is released.

Is the Epic a dying breed of phone - a flagship keyboard phone?

It seems to me that looking at all of the new releases, with the possible exception of the Motorola Droid series (although it seems the Droid Razr is getting more hype), is the era of flagship physical keyboard phones dead?
It seems that the Epic 4G may be the last flagship keyboard Android phone that Samsung releases. None of the Galaxy S2 variants so far, nor any derivatives (such as the Note) have physical keyboards.
It's noteworthy that HTC hasn't either, with the HTC Desire Z/G2 being the last flagship (and the Desire HD was arguably the true flagship) nor have any of the Chinese phone makers. So far all keyboard phones of 2011 have been confined to largely mid-range devices.

We will see another keyboard phone. It sucks that many were dooped, myself and fiancee included, into thinking that sprints flagship phone would receive software kindness. I suppose I can't complain because we just received 2.3.5, but what about the people who bought this phone a week ago and will be ****ed for quite awhile? Money scamming samsung ****s. God bless our devs for turning death into new life.
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Epic future
I agree that their should be more support for physical keyboards on flagship phones.
I was researching and It looks like the Epic will not receive an (Official) update to Android 4.0 ICS. Just look at how long it took to get the 2.3.5. Official update.

I agree, it's quite disappointing keyboard users are being abandoned across the board.
Although, I do remember a facebook post from Sprint a few weeks ago polling users where they prefer On-screen or physical keyboard...and almost everyone answered physical keyboard. What does this mean? I don't know..
Nonetheless, and like with anything, we must change with time. I'm slowly starting to use the on-screen KB more and more to prepare myself for the inevitable.

Verizon JUST released the Stratusphere 2 months ago. Almost an Epic clone. So no. When this one dies out (still actually a good seller) another will take it's place. This is probably why Sprint removed it from the EOL list, waiting on the next keyboard phone.

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Verizon JUST released the Stratusphere 2 months ago. Almost an Epic clone. So no. When this one dies out (still actually a good seller) another will take it's place. This is probably why Sprint removed it from the EOL list, waiting on the next keyboard phone.
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Not to mention the Captivate Glide for AT&T which also has a physical keyboard.

Neither of those phones are flagship phones though... for today's market they are both considered high-mid level devices.

My buddy is about to get a phone on Sprint, he likes a physical keyboard like myself, so we go down to the Sprint Store, to see what they had, and the Epic is by far the best with a keyboard, and it is over two years old... this is sad... Looking at the buzz, it doesn't look like a good one is coming down the line either. So he will probably be getting an Epic, and I will root and rom it like this one. Still a great phone, thanks to development...

saramon said:
My buddy is about to get a phone on Sprint, he likes a physical keyboard like myself, so we go down to the Sprint Store, to see what they had, and the Epic is by far the best with a keyboard, and it is over two years old... this is sad... Looking at the buzz, it doesn't look like a good one is coming down the line either. So he will probably be getting an Epic, and I will root and rom it like this one. Still a great phone, thanks to development...
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Not over 2 years old. Won't be 2 years old until end of August 2012.
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Sorry, quite right... Still though, over a year and no followups in sight

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-4_id6431
pretty sure that's gonna be a flagship phone...
also it's the end of the year and ICS just released, the new quadcore phones are in the air, and also it's a lot easier to throw just a touchscreen on than a full qwerty keyboard that full works.
be patient.

Doesn't the captivate glide have a tegra 2? Its not exactly a flagship but its powerful
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lys3rgic said:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-4_id6431
pretty sure that's gonna be a flagship phone...
also it's the end of the year and ICS just released, the new quadcore phones are in the air, and also it's a lot easier to throw just a touchscreen on than a full qwerty keyboard that full works.
be patient.
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That's all well and good but I'm sure that will be a Verizon exclusive just like all the other motorola droids w/ a kb.
I think my next phone won't have a kb. Pretty sad when you have to hack the kb yourself to get it to work properly. There for awhile, I hardly ever used it because it skipped so much. Going back to the HTC Touch Pro's days, there has only been 1 (HTC Touch Pro 2) that worked correctly out of the box.
Rather have a thinner phone at this point.
Galaxy Nexus here I come!

I'm not sure the Droid 4 will bring anything new. Looks like just another dual core A9; like the Droid 3, which IIRC had an OMAP 4.
When the Epic was released, it was well, among the most powerful Android phones to get with the Hummingbird CPU and the most powerful on Sprint (despite what Evo fanboys like to say).
I was hoping for something like another Epic this year, maybe with an Exynos and an RGB Super Amoled screen, but with keyboard. The way things are going, it looks like 2012 won't be any better.
For 2012, I am hoping for a 720p Super Amoled (or that giant monster on the Note) with a keyboard phone and either a quad-core A9, or a dual-core A15. Apparently, Samsung is working on a quad core Exynos 4412.

Unfortunately...
I have to agree... there likely won't be another flagship/high-end Android phone with a keyboard released other than the DROID series (which is only on VZW). Every time I try to get used to using only the onscreen keyboard, I pull out the physical keyboard and realize how much better it is for me to use (especially on the longer messages).
There will certainly be some powerful phones with keyboards released in the future, but they likely won't be the most powerful/high-end/flagship devices like the Epic 4G was when it was released (see, as mentioned above, the Samsung Captivate Glide on AT&T).

For me, a physical keyboard is a requirement for using terminal programs (ssh). Not only do I get more screen area for the text, but it is easier to type out special characters (~, /, and \).
If I am sending an SMS or a short email, I use Swype.
I hope that there will be a Galaxy Nexus-ish phone that has a physical keyboard. If it comes out, that will be my next phone.

I like the physical keyboard for typing long things out or using a terminal app, but at the same time i hate how it takes away from the solid feel of the device and makes it a ton thicker.

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I like the physical keyboard for typing long things out or using a terminal app, but at the same time i hate how it takes away from the solid feel of the device and makes it a ton thicker.
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I find the thin phones to feel fragile to me. I don't even like the epic without the case on it. Too hard to hold while you type. Feels solid in the case and just perfect to grip while typing.
I won't even bother looking at a phone if it doesn't have a keyboard.

When I originally decided to buy an Android phone back in June, one of the requirements for me was a good physical keyboard. At the Sprint store where I got it, there was one phone that was higher end, but it didn't have the physical keyboard, so I went with the Epic. I love the versatility of being able to use multiple software keyboards, and still slide out a hardware keyboard if needed. Since I'm always rooting and modding friends' phones, I use the software-only keyboards on them often, and most of the time it drives me batty not being able to silde out a real keyboard. ;-)

I swore I would never get a phone without a physical keyboard but I got the ET4G and the extra screen size makes it almost impossible to hit the wrong letter..especially in landscape mode. That being said, if they figure out a way to get a phone the size of the Epic Touch with a physical keyboard and keep it slim I would get it on day 1
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Why I'm reluctant to buy one

First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...

Why no one cares: Because no one cares.

SlimJ87D said:
Why no one cares: Because no one cares.
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Well, you cared enough to reply, so that's something!

I think the Note 2014 is going to be the best there is for android 10 inch tablet (until next year) for what it all offers. The super close runner up will be the New Nexus 10 coming out soon. For many it could go either way between the two. I jsut love all the software extras and the multi tasking of this thing. My god the multitasking!!:victory:
Again the new Nexus 10 is not out yet but ASUS is making it and I'm not too confident in the quality control. But that is just me.

ayemez said:
Well, you cared enough to reply, so that's something!
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atg284 said:
I think the Note 2014 is going to be the best there is for android 10 inch tablet (until next year) for what it all offers. The super close runner up will be the New Nexus 10 coming out soon. For many it could go either way between the two. I jsut love all the software extras and the multi tasking of this thing. My god the multitasking!!:victory:
Again the new Nexus 10 is not out yet but ASUS is making it and I'm not too confident in the quality control. But that is just me.
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And besides, didn't Google announce that they won't provide external sd-card slots, because they were "too confusing" to the consumer??? Really??? Or is it because they want to charge an extra $100 for 16GB in this day and age? Thanks Google, that's a deal breaker. The moment HTC did that, I switched over to Samsung (also HTC stopped making the battery removable). I hate when Android device makers are trying to act like they are Apple. If I want to buy something like iPhone or iPad, I will buy an iPhone or iPad. So stop taking away things that give you an edge!
I'm afraid that's what Samsung could be trying to do here by removing the multi-user support. They want everyone to buy a tablet. They don't want family members to share. Well, for the phones, it's understandable. But for tablets, there is no reason not to share. I hope Sammy gets its act together on this...

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And besides, didn't Google announce that they won't provide external sd-card slots, because they were "too confusing" to the consumer??? Really??? Or is it because they want to charge an extra $100 for 16GB in this day and age? Thanks Google, that's a deal breaker. The moment HTC did that, I switched over to Samsung (also HTC stopped making the battery removable). I hate when Android device makers are trying to act like they are Apple. If I want to buy something like iPhone or iPad, I will buy an iPhone or iPad. So stop taking away things that give you an edge!
I'm afraid that's what Samsung could be trying to do here by removing the multi-user support. They want everyone to buy a tablet. They don't want family members to share. Well, for the phones, it's understandable. But for tablets, there is no reason not to share. I hope Sammy gets its act together on this...
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Google's mission was to make the tablet as affordable as possible, it is one of the reasons why they cut out the ext SD card.
Their other excuse was switching over on how they wanted their phones to mount when connected to PC. But Samsung managed to get it working right, so I don't know what their issue was.

ayemez said:
First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...
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As a coffee table device? I wouldn't dish out ~$600 for a tablet I'd be leaving on the coffee table. Why not just get something cheaper? It doesn't sound like you're going to be using the s pen for anything serious anyways and the S Pen is what really makes this device worth the purchase.

gina$zanboti said:
As a coffee table device? I wouldn't dish out ~$600 for a tablet I'd be leaving on the coffee table. Why not just get something cheaper? It doesn't sound like you're going to be using the s pen for anything serious anyways and the S Pen is what really makes this device worth the purchase.
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Well, I guess I tend to always buy the top tier device and hang on to it for a while (still use my Lenovo T61 I bought in 2007 close to $2K). For now it will be a coffee table device, but for later I may turn it into something more useful. And no one can deny the stunning resolution on that screen.
I currently have Note 2 as my phone and I do use the S Pen quite often.

7just grab a nook hd+. 9inches and under $125.

ayemez said:
First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...
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You could try installing 2014 NOTE 10.1 RETAIL MODE APP.
I believe the way it works is.........
You activate the retail mode with a password and anything that is done in retail mode is erased when you return to normal operation. There is also a video that plays when the tablet has not been touched for a preset time.
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kkretch said:
You could try installing 2014 NOTE 10.1 RETAIL MODE APP.
I believe the way it works is.........
You activate the retail mode with a password and anything that is done in retail mode is erased when you return to normal operation. There is also a video that plays when the tablet has not been touched for a preset time.
Only one catch......... you need the password, who knows it???
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Yes, I have seen that on the tablet at BestBuy. There was an "administrators" menu on settings and retail mode user or something close to that name was listed as an admin. But still doesn't achieve the purpose of being able to share the device with my wife without any hassle.