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What would you do in my position?

Hey all,
I really don't know what to do about my cell phone situation. Up until last week, I had an unlocked iPhone. When I heard 3G was coming to my area, I gave it to my little sister for her college graduation with the intention of getting the Mytouch when it came out. When I realized it would be the end of July for the Mytouch, I decided to go and get a G1 to try out for 14 days android and see if I really liked the OS.
Here's the problem. I love this G1. It's almost perfect. I had no idea how much I missed a hardware keyboard. I'm running a custom ROM and even have some of the HTC stuff going. It's ridiculous how far ahead Android actually is of everything else, and I was on an iPhone just last week. However after all the praise I can give it I have three significant concerns. The two are the usual, battery life and lack of 3.5" headphone jack. The third problem is how close T-Mo must be revising this phone, or at least will be to releasing another android phone with a hardware keyboard. Could that happen this summer? I think the only way I'd get a phone without the keyboard is to go with the i7500 or that HTC Hero. I text a lot, so I think I want the keyboard.
So, what would you do? I don't want to wait very long because you can easily get stuck always waiting for the right thing. But I also don't want to get a phone and next week hear that a new one is coming out very soon. So what do you pros think? Am I in a wait and buy area where rumors are swirling about the next phone, or should I just keep this G1? Would you?
Thanks for hearing my ridiculously long and thought out post, and maybe I'm thinking on this too much, but I use my cell all the time, it's actually a big deal for me.

Here's what I'd do, don't get stuck with a phone you don't love for 2 years. Yeah you could always buy one outright and pay $500 to get the newest and greatest but don't settle (at least too much). Samsung and Motorola have one coming out soon with a physical keyboard. When I say soon, by end of year probably.

I guess I could hold onto this one for the rest of the week and take it back. Maybe by then I will have heard something else about a new release. That Samsung one was supposed to be "very soon" but none of the leaked roadmaps look promising.
HTC needs to revise this G1, its got so much missed potential.

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HTC needs to revise this G1, its got so much missed potential.
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The G1 was the absolute 1st of not just a new generation.. But a PDA revolution.. With all its shortcomings it is still currently the BEST pda available in the US..

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The G1 was the absolute 1st of not just a new generation.. But a PDA revolution.. With all its shortcomings it is still currently the BEST pda available in the US..
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No argument here. Its a great device. The fact that my cellphone went off to tell me that someone replied to my thread and let me type out a reply very quickly on it speaks volumes to how it helps us organize and maintain digital lives.
Thing is, its painfully close to perfect. 3g expandable memory and an Android os integrated to google is awesome. It just falls short in style and entertainment (3.5 jack). It is the best option right now, but will it be the best option in a month or so? That's the 64,000 dollar question.

The 3.5 mm headjack isn't that big of a problem... just buy an adapter. 10$ at the T-Mobile store for an OEM one with built in mic, or on eBay they are sometimes less than a dollar.

3.5 headphone jack is ancient technology. This device supports bluetooth A2DP/AVRCP. Get with the times!

Hah. I didn't want to start a debate about 3.5 millimeter jacks. Doesn't matter what the opinions are anymore because as evidenced by the Hero, all HTC devices will have the jack in them. And its for the best I think. There are situations where you want to charge your phone and listen to music.
Its not about the jack though, its about the next qwerty android phone now, and I'm starting to think that will be a while.

How did the OP not get that miniusb to 3.5" cable? I received one with my G1 back in November-did T-Mo stop sending these?

Got it
I have it, it's just not very practical. I had the same problem with adapters on my old blackberry pearl. Back then we had a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter. Very annoying actually and it turned me off to adapters as a whole. But even then you could hook it up to a power outlet and keep listening, and with the battery life issues on the G1, that is a very real need.
I hate to keep harping on that point, because I really love the G1 and it's not a deal breaker at all. Especially since it's clear HTC has conceded the point for their future phones. I really do like this phone and android a lot, I can't explain it other than if feels very solid, much more so than my old iPhone. I'm just looking at the outlook here and wondering if the better options are incoming.

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3.5 headphone jack is ancient technology. This device supports bluetooth A2DP/AVRCP. Get with the times!
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Plus 1 on this one. Its all about Stereo BT.
But for me the G1 is perfect as far as the learning curve for the Android OS better than the lack luster of the iphone. I say its not for us to decide because in 14 days your going to return it what phone will you get before the myTouch comes out?

Should I buy a X10 now??

oh... Looking to get an android phone, so I sell my HD2 before its price rolls down the slope. But now I learn that the Galaxy S, iphone, Motorola Shadow are coming very soon. So should I buy the X10 right now, or just wait until those phones are actually released? I have been using my old old old SE phone for a week now I maybe able to get a used X10 for $385..
btw, any sign of SE getting their hands on the Android 2.2?

I would say it’s depend of your need and expectation, let me explain.
The hardware is great; don’t listen to people saying the camera and the flash are bad, as long you don’t use the automatic setting your picture wont disappoint you.
Ill say go for it don’t worry, I want to keep this one since I finally found a device I like, blackberry iphone ,htc dream and magic where not my cup of tea. That’s why I fight to get the 2,2 update I want to keep it for at least 2 year and the os update is a good way to make your device fell new again.
BUT I have to admit ,its possible SE do something great with the 2.1 making the device over the edge even with an older version, proof? Check what htc did with the magic the sense ui its still running only 1.5 but defiantly fell like a something totally different.
It’s a great device overall, in my idea a perfect work and multimedia device.

I sold mine (at a profit) then I ended up buying it again lol, as i couldnt find a suitable replacement. The galaxy S does look good though.

While I do love my X10 im constantly tormented by all the new devices that come out after I just get a new one. Im also the impatient type so waiting for the new ones to come out is next to impossible for me. However, if you think you can wait then id be pretty tempted to get the Samsung Galaxy S. Its a pretty sweet phone if you ask me. However given Samsungs poor rep for continuing support for their devices you'd in a way be taking a similiar gamble with it as you would with the X10. At least it comes loaded with 2.1 which were still waiting for. Wouldn't even bother with the new iPhone. Doesn't tempt me one bit. Streak 5 looks is a tempter though too. It really depends on what you want out of it.

Currently, Galaxy S is what most people think as the best phone yet. I have tried it and it just feels like iPhone. It's really fluid but I still feel that the X10 has its own personality despite having the standard Home page. I've tried HTC desire and I do not like it's Sense UI. It's subjective btw
But in the future, Shadow (or N2?), iPhone 4G will outperform these phones most probably. Just wait a month or two. It isn't that hard 4G may be announced tomorrow, but it's Shadow that I'm concerned about or specifically, the Nexus two.
4G vs Shadow (maybe Nexus 2)
No flash vs Flash
Smaller screen vs bigger screen

well...
EVO 4G is CDMA, so its not on my list.
Streak is not a phone to me. (8cm wide )
Desire/N1/iphone HD, the screen is just too small
sigh, think I will just wait for another month or two.

X10 is not perfect, but I'm not aware of any other phone on the market (or even announced) good enough. So today I would buy the X10 again.

hmm... is the 384mb ram sufficient enough?

If you need a phone for making phone calls: DO NOT BUY THE X10!
The in call volume is useless! You can't make calls when you're outside on the street, in a noisy office etc.
UNUSABLE!
I strongly hope that SonyEricsson will fix this very soon!

T.W.G said:
If you need a phone for making phone calls: DO NOT BUY THE X10!
The in call volume is useless! You can't make calls when you're outside on the street, in a noisy office etc.
UNUSABLE!
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I not agree. While the maximum volume is indeed not too high, it is perfectly suitable for using it even in the street or in a noisy office.

I have to agree with t.w.g: The phone is pretty much useless in noisy environments like on a busy street or even in a café!

Yes it's not too hight but listenable in the street. But of course you can have problem with listening call in a too noisy place with any phone

Would you get new HD2 if yours is broken?

let's say your HD2 fell in water, or fell on the floor, or for some reason was suddenly not operating and cannot be fixed, and you have to buy another unit.
will you get yourself a new HD2 now that you really know the device? or buy another phone?
What would you buy if not another HD2 and why?

let's say your HD2 fell in water, or fell on the floor, or for some reason was suddenly not operating and cannot be fixed, and you have to buy another unit.
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Ok, i prefer not to think of that situation though
will you get yourself a new HD2 now that you really know the device? or buy another phone?
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Hard to say if i get another HD2 as there are many other phones out there with the same spec as an HD2. But if there were not id buy an HD2 in a moment as its a great phone, great screen, excellent call quality, active rom creating community for upgraded / custom roms .. Yeah it is a great device and id give it some thought if id have to purchase a new one ..
What would you buy if not another HD2 and why?
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Probably id get a DroidX when it arrives. It has a similar spec and screen size as the HD2 and looks very nice .. Id be able to surf the web no probs on that device which is the primary reason i bought the HD2, so for me any device that has a large screen for web surfing and allows me to make a call once in a while would do me fine .. Hey would the 5" Dell Streak be too big for the pocket, hmm id give that one some thought too

Nope, I love my Leo but I'd get an Android device and will be doing so when I can upgrade next January. I'd like to stick with a 4.3" screen though so therefore I'd like an Evo. But HTC have decided not to sell them in the UK so it would have to be a Desire.

I love my leo too, buti'll buy a droidX if I have to change quicker.

I like it, but prefer android based OS.
So if I could get as big a screen with TMOUSA, then I would change.

I'll wait for HD3

no, I will never buy such device.
Why? read my posts, there and then on this forum, including compete list of what's very wrong with it.
In short:
-poor support
-poor amount of updates, actually over because HTC discontinued the device
-official rom suck and is buggy
-HTC's philosophy to attack the one making roms
-Stupid design (sound, power button on the front, etc...)
Etc...
Also, I look competition and I see new Motorolla X, and I'm tempted to say: wow.
I heard feedback from people with droid and they did not have to wait custom roms to say "it works"...

If I broke my leo, I'd get a HD4, cause I hear its going to have a flux capacitor and be capable of generating the 1.21 gigawatts needed to power it.

Well, I ran into such a situation. My HD2 was not recognizing any sim card 50% of the time. And when it did, it only lasted for a short while. After trying all non invasive fixes, I decided to "operate" on it, taking it down to the screen. Still couldnt get it right. So I bought another one. I think it is a great phone for what I use it for. And, now I have a parts phone!

interesting question
Currently happned to me something similar. Phone has fallen out of my pocket on the ground, it was only 50-60cm, but screen is broken like if someone throw it against a bricked wall.
It will cost me at least 150EUR, bad luck. They do not repair only glass because is stick together with display and removing can break it.
I saw it at some thread ,that this is more problem of the hole around hw keys at the bottom. So basicly the design of the front panel, when phone is falling at bottom side.
But if it will be destroyed completely, I am not sure, but probably I will buy something else:
- phone itself is almost 9 months old, there are or shortly will be better phones
- there are still bugs after almost a year, and if they are solved they are not available for customers, for example official region version differencies
- is good that somewhere at forum is ROM which helps with battery consumption in standby mode, but you are not able to use it, basicly you are forced to break waranty otherwise you will be keep on usatisfied with device and forced to wait for official version for your region and wait and etc.
I like this device, but I am not blind to see weak points of the device or company policy, so it is almost 50-50 but time is ticking and competition will bring us better phones soon, I am optimist

If that happened tomorrow, Id get a HTC Desire.
If it happened just before the Nokia E5 is released, Id go buy a cheapo phone to tide me over till E5's release.

HD2s are really cheap now on ebay, and I have a pretty fair library built up already so chances are good I'd pick up another one. Although it's equally likely I'd get a big Dell Streak. I mean have you seen the thing? Its keyboard has a numeric keypad!!!

If I absolutely needed a phone immediately, it would be a toss up between another HD2 or iPhone 4. Android on the HD2 seems closer every day so having that option would be nice - but I've got WinMo exactly how I like it and I don't mind it at all. Further, lets face it, the 4.3" screen size is just spoiling. I wouldn't switch for an Evo, and the DroidX is just TOO big.
If I could wait a few months, I'd look for a HD3 / other WP7 device... or an iPhone 4.

lexx-luthor said:
If I broke my leo, I'd get a HD4, cause I hear its going to have a flux capacitor and be capable of generating the 1.21 gigawatts needed to power it.
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but doesn't that run plutonium

nope, i want to move to the other platform
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0% chance that i will buy blackberry
5% chance: that i will buy iphone 4
15% chance that i will buy n900
25% chance that i will buy the nokia n8
10% chance that i will buy the meego device
45% chance that i will buy the android device

Pagnell said:
Nope, I love my Leo but I'd get an Android device and will be doing so when I can upgrade next January. I'd like to stick with a 4.3" screen though so therefore I'd like an Evo. But HTC have decided not to sell them in the UK so it would have to be a Desire.
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Ditto, Desire all the way. I am looking into Android a little more lately, I most probably won't, but I am trying to persuade myself to buy one.

I might get a Desire not because i don't like my HD2 but because i always have an itch to try something else.
Having said that it would be a close call i am due an upgrade on one of my contracts and was looking yesterday on the vodafone site, jeepers have you seen the prices on the Iphone 4's, flipping eck even if i wanted one i wouldn't get one, thats one expensive phone...
And having had a look around i've decided to stay with my HD2 for a while until something else comes out...

"I might get a Desire not because i don't like my HD2 but because i always have an itch to try something else."
I know what you mean. I spent a year or so with my WM Tytn II - loved it then kind of got irritated by it's clunkiness ... had a Hero with Android for a year - loved it then kind of got bored and wanted a change ... ended up losing it and taking the HD2 as a replacement.
Android has some great integration, especially for social networking, but IMO it's not a great OS for business and things like emailing/file management. WM appears to be lacking in the former (although the HD2 is better because of HTC's work) but stronger in the latter.
For those reasons, I'd like to stick with the HD2 and see what my upgrade options are - iPhone 4 is an obvious option for me, but it's not often seen as the greatest tool for business etc.

Android is the future
I know that hurts, especially all of us that have HD2(Windows mobile), but Android based devices are future. So probably if I broke my phone(I hope not), I will buy EVO or Desire. But I want to point out, i will never buy iPhone 4.

Spacechimp said:
"I might get a Desire not because i don't like my HD2 but because i always have an itch to try something else."
I know what you mean. I spent a year or so with my WM Tytn II - loved it then kind of got irritated by it's clunkiness ... had a Hero with Android for a year - loved it then kind of got bored and wanted a change ... ended up losing it and taking the HD2 as a replacement.
Android has some great integration, especially for social networking, but IMO it's not a great OS for business and things like emailing/file management. WM appears to be lacking in the former (although the HD2 is better because of HTC's work) but stronger in the latter.
For those reasons, I'd like to stick with the HD2 and see what my upgrade options are - iPhone 4 is an obvious option for me, but it's not often seen as the greatest tool for business etc.
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Well, after reading all the previous posts, I was almost convinced to change to Droids, but reading your post, and the fact that you had TYTNII like i did, and you tried Droid for a year, i am sure you have a good point that droids are goo for social networking (showing off) and WM is good for business, and business is what i need.
but reading other posts and looking at my past 4 years experience in HTC, i am more than convinced that HTC company sucks, so i will try to find a better WM device from another company, but i am not sure if there is any

[CHAT] How long do you think you will keep your HD2 for...?

I've posted in Android General here as I reckon it's those of us who have switched OSs who are getting a Second Life(TM) from their HD2s...
Personally, I am finding my phone experience so different from the WinMo days. At that time I was always switching ROMs, always trying to get better use from the phone/solve the glitches, but never quite getting there (altho there is/was fantastic work from the ROM devs here)
But now with Android, I find my experience is great, and glitch-free. I'm still always playing with new ROMs, but only for the excitement of new features rather than to solve annoyances. I've had my HD2 a year and I personally think I could stay with it even another 2 years.
The hardware has been (imo) perfected for the current time (4.3" screen, decent processor, nice form-factor, expandable micro-SD), and all the excitement now is in Google's OS improvements, with perhaps two new iterations of Android planned for this year. Even to the extent that I would be tempted to buy a spare HD2 for future use (as my hardware buttons may be about to give way...)
The only features that could cause me to upgrade are:
- Pico Projector (but as a novelty appealing to my geekiness than anything useful)
- HDMI-out (which again, I think I would get use out of perhaps 4 times a year, and as a novelty the rest of the time)
- Maybe a hardware keyboard a la HD7 Pro, but only if it has Android and was as a free upgrade
But apart from that, here is to an almost perfect hardware phone, now matched by perfect and evolving software. Long live HD2!!
So how long do you think you will stay with the HD2?

well my hd2 felt down several times to the floor and has some scratches at the rubber edges now. further i have the "jitterbug" of the touchscreen since first day (is mostly handable with swype)!
so let me think about your question... i guess i will stick to my hd2 for another year! want to buy a device with a hardware keyboard after that.

I agree with you in many ways smeddy. For me the HD2 is perfect in terms of it's size and layout (personally I do not want a hardware keyboard), the processor is snappy enough, the ability to expand the storage with an sd card is brilliant especially with a2sd+ and such like - for me I would have prefered a 1024TMOUS just for the extra space.
The only thing I can see on the horizon that may tempt me away is the Motorola Atria

For me, the only reason i'd upgrade is for more internal memory, say a 8/16gb device, since i'm feeling threatened by my lack of space. So i guess i'll keep my hd2 for maybe 4 months to a year.

I'll probably be keeping it for another year or so till I am due for re-contract. The phone served me well and its still doing well, probably I will get an andriod tablet if I need to make video call from oversea

will use it till it stops working

Waiting for htc dual core

I'll keep mine until this becomes true
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2011/01/09/2ghz-motorola-atrix-coming-to-orange-soon/
this year will be the year for Motorola

Holy Shi# that thing is sick. I seen one of the devs talk about that phone on irc. Never knew what it was.

I bought it relatively late ...Still have it for a year now without a scratch!The phone has served me well.The options between OSs,the design/yes i really like it !/the functions,the hardware,the display...It is perfect!It is now a LeoNANDroid and i like it even better!
I like how the little Apple fanboys mistake it for iPhone4,i like how the people at my provider's store look like that when they see im runnin Linux/Android.Maybe the only thing i miss is 720p recording...So basicaly i will run it till it dies,then il buy anotherone if i can^^.The best spent $400 in my life!

I'll keep it until something better comes along that makes it worth upgrading. The Moto Atrix looks nice, hardware list wise, but I'll skip it due to it being Motorola. Other companies will release an equivalent or better.
Going back to a slide-out keyboard is very tempting as well.

Ill keep hold of mine for a bit,maybe wait for the Desire HD to come down in price,see what Htc bring at the MWC in Feb,in the mean time im happy with it

good opening post.
I love my HD2 on Android (wish it was a TMOUS though with the additional on board mem.)
NAND Android rocks and I love the hardware and (now) software on the phone.
Would just like a better camera with a real flash ... 720p recording?
So at the moment nothing on the market matches it.
GG

Late to the party but i have just ordered one, had a Blackstone up until Christmas and can't resist the tweakability and amount of OS's this thing can deliver!
Can see myself owning it for at least 2 years!

I have been using HD2 for little over a year. I have flashed so many roms on it; I lost count a long time ago. However, the screen started freezing right before the Android NAND boot came out. I still flashed NAND on my phone to see it works and it did but without the touch screen.
I send my phone to HTC for repair last week and it is on the way back. I am planning to keep it for at least another year. The only thing I am missing is a front camera for video chatting and the ability to go 4G. I don’t do a lot of video chatting and the 4G is only available at selected location.
I like everything about this phone! The look, the feel, everything…. I don’t have a reason to change the HD2. The support which is available for the phone out there is incredible. When I get bored with a particular style, I flash a new rom! If we get to a point where we use 4G every day, I might change to a 4G phone. Or they have to invent a phone which will make me breakfast, lunch and dinner!

HD2 is definitely a keeper.

How long do you think you will keep your HD2 ?
That's a question that can only be answered by my wife's wallet
Cheers,
/Cacti

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This.
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The Atrix does look interesting. Thanks for he heads-up.
I think "use it until it stops working" is the most concise way of stating it
Johncmolyneux - from Northampon! I've followed your work so much on XDA, and never knew you were from my hometown, well from Wellingborough to be exact

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Johncmolyneux - from Northampon! I've followed your work so much on XDA, and never knew you were from my hometown, well from Wellingborough to be exact
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Thanks man - it's appreciated
I've moved about a bit, but keep ending up back in Northampton. It's a good place, as is Wellingborough. If you ever need any assistance, come round my house Not really
BIGUP The Northants!!!

Buyer`s remorse, post here!!

Stop complaining about buying an incomplete device in other sections and post them here. Getting tired of unhelpful info being thrown around on XDA.
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I love my xoom and would never return it, just getting tired of stupid post and tools with no experience lol.

My only remorse is that I didn't buy it on the first day of release.

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My only remorse is that I didn't buy it on the first day of release.
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+50
Lol

I am still on the fence. Just got mine a couple of days ago. I have had a handful of problems with apps FC'ing. What I think is really dumb is the case that Staples sells puts the power plug on the bottom so you cant use the Xoom propped up and have it plugged in at the same time.
I am also not convinced yet that I am a good candidate for a tablet. I create a lot of content but don't consume a lot of content. I still have to grab my laptop to do photo editing, faster text editing, video chatting (other than the GTalk app). I don't think a lot of my issues are specific to the Xoom or more Android 3.0 compatibility issues.
I think the vast majority of problems will be sorted out soon but I am not sure I need to pay full price to be an early adopter yet.

KerryG said:
I am still on the fence. Just got mine a couple of days ago. I have had a handful of problems with apps FC'ing. What I think is really dumb is the case that Staples sells puts the power plug on the bottom so you cant use the Xoom propped up and have it plugged in at the same time.
I am also not convinced yet that I am a good candidate for a tablet. I create a lot of content but don't consume a lot of content. I still have to grab my laptop to do photo editing, faster text editing, video chatting (other than the GTalk app). I don't think a lot of my issues are specific to the Xoom or more Android 3.0 compatibility issues.
I think the vast majority of problems will be sorted out soon but I am not sure I need to pay full price to be an early adopter yet.
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you can change the landscape mode but that turning it around so the charger is on top then lock the screen.

Ok... here's my rant ....
My main regret is ....
Why the hell is carphone warehouse making me wait until April 19th to get my damn XOOM.
HTFU
(H for Hurry)
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haha i made the thread so i diddn't have to listen to people ***** about there xoom. I'm pretty happy that the real people are *****in bout not getting it sooner keep it up xoomers !

znfrazier said:
you can change the landscape mode but that turning it around so the charger is on top then lock the screen.
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Yes, but then the holes for the camera arent in the right place, plus the case is just weak, doesnt hold well and the Xoom slides down and turns the volume down. The case is just a bad design.

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+599 (totally worth the price tag)

Love mine, don't plan on selling it anytime soon. And once Honeycomb matures, this thing will be a beast!

I'm about to return my xoom, primarily because the touchscreen stopped responding. Which is a gigantic problem on a buttonless device!!!!!!!!!
I think I am going to go for my money back, and possibly buy the 16gb version when it comes out to save a few bucks.
I am tempted to get an iPad2, which makes me feel like an asshole but all the good apps are on there now. However I am learning java and will hopefully have time to write some apps soon, thereby making an empty app store more of a positive than negative.
Before anyone flames me for thinking of getting an ipad, its just cause I feel like its the one form factor device where I might not care as much if its locked down (of course I will jailbreak it on day one if I get it, and will be dual-booting android on it sometime after the ASOP comes out, google...)
If all I want to do with this device is read/watch/consume content, and ipad has all the content right now, it kinda makes sense. And I am confident the ipad2 could be an awesome honeycomb device. With the amount of sales it has had there should be enough interest in that as a project. Enough to give the google all the more reason to hold off on releasing the source code. Dammit..

mau006 said:
I'm about to return my xoom, primarily because the touchscreen stopped responding. Which is a gigantic problem on a buttonless device!!!!!!!!!
I think I am going to go for my money back, and possibly buy the 16gb version when it comes out to save a few bucks.
I am tempted to get an iPad2, which makes me feel like an asshole but all the good apps are on there now. However I am learning java and will hopefully have time to write some apps soon, thereby making an empty app store more of a positive than negative.
Before anyone flames me for thinking of getting an ipad, its just cause I feel like its the one form factor device where I might not care as much if its locked down (of course I will jailbreak it on day one if I get it, and will be dual-booting android on it sometime after the ASOP comes out, google...)
If all I want to do with this device is read/watch/consume content, and ipad has all the content right now, it kinda makes sense. And I am confident the ipad2 could be an awesome honeycomb device. With the amount of sales it has had there should be enough interest in that as a project. Enough to give the google all the more reason to hold off on releasing the sthource code. Dammit..
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Nobody will flame you. Its personal preference. Some ppl like changing devices to fit there pref and some choose to use their device as just consuming data. Don't worry. This device will eventually run stable. We just have to wait.

Do you know me? What should you care if I flame you? The only time I would care if you buy an I pad would be if you bought it with MY money.
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I don't know if I got a better xoom than most if the people here but I am freaking loving this thing. The screen is beautiful, the white's are actually white, something I have not seen on anything except the Apple devices. I get no lag whatsoever on my home screens after oc'ing to 1.5 governor set at interactive, and the stereo speakers are really nice. I absolutely love this thing. I got a sweet car dock from a dealer in the UK so I can use it as a bad ass head unit in my car, and when its hooked up to my system with great speakers and 2 12's in the trunk it sounds as good or better than my gf's iPhone 5, something I have never found with any other android device, even my inspire with srs sound. Yes, it has some bugs but for what I need it to do it does it wonderful. I am using it as a complete laptop replacement. I am actually thinking of selling my macbook pro. And I think we are not gonna get many people posting here about their gripes with the device because...
1. They want to start their own post for attention/tolling
2. They don't use the search button
3. There is far to much effort for them to actually read through a forum for the appropriate place to post
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laxwillsch said:
I don't know if I got a better xoom than most if the people here but I am freaking loving this thing. The screen is beautiful, the white's are actually white, something I have not seen on anything except the Apple devices. I get no lag whatsoever on my home screens after oc'ing to 1.5 governor set at interactive, and the stereo speakers are really nice. I absolutely love this thing. I got a sweet car dock from a dealer in the UK so I can use it as a bad ass head unit in my car, and when its hooked up to my system with great speakers and 2 12's in the trunk it sounds as good or better than my gf's iPhone 5, something I have never found with any other android device, even my inspire with srs sound. Yes, it has some bugs but for what I need it to do it does it wonderful. I am using it as a complete laptop replacement. I am actually thinking of selling my macbook pro. And I think we are not gonna get many people posting here about their gripes with the device because...
1. They want to start their own post for attention/tolling
2. They don't use the search button
3. There is far to much effort for them to actually read through a forum for the appropriate place to post
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LMAO, i hate me some trolls, im made this post hoping it would attract them all but i guess i was wrong lol. stupid people. guess they never used a forum before.

I regret buying the Xoom because I should have waited for a tablet that is thinner, lighter, better screen, working micro sd slot, working 4G and has a pen input, a nornal micro usb that is rechargeable, and most importantly can play high profile .mkv 1080p without needing to do any conversion.
How come no company can do it right?
My biggest question is:
How come no European country make any tablets?
If Germany and Italy can create Mercedes, BMW, Farrari and Lamborghini, they can certainly make a measly sub $1,000 tech device.

keep on waiting. wait on, while we enjoy out Xoom. the best thing invented since the internet. Xoom, Xoom, Xoom...

May I offer these words of encouragement to anyone who has bought a Xoom but who hasn't been involved with Android and modded ROMS before?
The out of the box is not overly impressive when compared, as it inevitaly will be, with the iPad. It is disconcerting to have Forced Closes on a device costing what it does as regularly as one does. And there is not much eye-candy included either.
However, the hardware specs are so good that I have little doubt that the Xoom will be the equivalent of the HTC HD2 (which if you don't know started as a Windows Mobile 6 phone, got Froyo and then Gingerbread and now dual boots into Android or Windows Phone 7!) once the developers get their hands on the source code.
Hang onto your Xoom and you will see in the weeks to come that it will get better and better and, instead of having a gadget which is all shiny and cool for the first week and then becomes old news, you will have a gadget that keeps improving as each new ROM is released.