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Hey everyone...I tell ya, I sure am enjoying all these awesome custom roms and kernels. Great job to all the developers here, putting in the blood, sweat, and tears for the advancement of the community, thank you so much. One feature that I saw in a Xoom build was the GPU overclocked, and while I'm sure it won't interest everyone, and there is probably only little gain to be had from it, I would love to have the option to oc the CPU and the GPU for the highest performance possible...please. Well I think that covers it unless someone else shares my desire to see this feature. Thanks for all your work and consideration XDA and have a great day.
if ur CPU OC than GPU too
Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
Hey Thor, thanks for joining the conversation. Based on what youve seen so far, how well are the tegra GPU cores being utilized? Suffice to say I've pulled off insane desktop GPU overclocks that showed almost nill gain with drivers that werent mature in which the GPU cores werent being loaded past 50% . I realize that the tegra is a horse of a different color, but isnt it still affected by the specific driver optimizations, hence the THD enhancements? Just out of curiosity as I very much trust your experience. I am still interested in trying it with definitive comparisons to follow...well about as definitive as synthetic benchmarks can be anyway.
I just saw that you have a new beta... Yay. I cant wait to give it a whirl.
I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
thor2002ro said:
oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
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Can only the 3D Clocks be altered without touching 2D? If yes can you make such a version of the ........... that "nobody" knows anything about?
Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Very nice quadrant score man, I used to score alot higher until I updated to stock 3.1+ updates. It seems like the higher my OS version number gets, the lower my synthetic performance gets overall.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
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that's what mine did. it would reboot while sleeping. sometimes it would be 3 or 4 times in an hour.
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I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
nexgenasian said:
Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
thats the kernel i am using o/c 1400 works very well. you can find it in the development thread.
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
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Thanks! Works great. Do you feel the HoneyVillian rom runs faster with the v2.4 Kernel or about the same as stock Acer 3.1 HC rom with v2.4 Kernel?
So far I can keep stable at 1.5 after 2 hours of use. It's also slept for 30 mins and seems ok at that too.
Also what kind of Scaling do you guys use? Ondeman, Interactive? On my phone I use ondemand.
It's been about a year since any benchmarking threads have been created for the A500, and I'm interested to see how people are getting better performance.
I'm running Flexreaper v5 and I score around 6200 in AnTuTu. One other ROMs and other kernels I'm getting around 4300. However, the AnTuTu comparison charts show quite a few people scoring 7500+ with the A500.
How are people getting such high results?
Overclocking maybe?
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Overclocking maybe?
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Hoping for something a bit more specific. Kernel, ROM, CPU Frequency...
BTW - Mine is OCed to 1.5 GHz
Think I found one of the ROMs that's getting such high performance. I got the JB ROM from he would cannot be named, and this thing flies! 5600 in AnTuTu with no OC. Set GPU to 400 MHz and OC'ed CPU to 1.6 GHz, and that clocked in at 7225.
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Think I found one of the ROMs that's getting such high performance. I got the JB ROM from he would cannot be named, and this thing flies! 5600 in AnTuTu with no OC. Set GPU to 400 MHz and OC'ed CPU to 1.6 GHz, and that clocked in at 7225.
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I'd be a little careful at 1.6. Runs a little unstable, and is only for benchmarks.
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I'd be a little careful at 1.6. Runs a little unstable, and is only for benchmarks.
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It looks like the new kernel allows clocking up to 1.68, so I have just left it at an even 1.6. I haven't run into any major instability so far (knock on wood), and I really like how smooth it is. I've finally been able to play Asphalt 7 smoothly (good way to blow off steam at work). Thanks, though.
I'm getting pretty frustrated with my nexus 7 because I'm getting horribly low Quadrant scores. I tried messing around and putting custom kernels on it but when I compared the scores to the thread I was reading, I couldn't even get the stock scores mentioned in the thread with a overclocked custom kernel.
I'm getting a total of 3412 on my Nexus 7 on my stock kernel on the stock rooted/unlocked bootloader 4.2.1. I wiped the device, reinstalled the 4.2.1 stock backup, and then installed quadrant and ran it so there shouldn't be background processes problems. This pisses me off because on the Jay's Buttery Tweaks, he got 4875 on his stock kernel/stock ROM. Somethings wrong there. What would cause such a horrible score?
The first thing you need to know about quadrant scores is................they are decieving, and usually bloated. If your N7 preforms well during use, then your good. Also, if they were that important, all rom and kernel developers would post them with their releases. They dont for a reason.
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I'm getting pretty frustrated with my nexus 7 because I'm getting horribly low Quadrant scores. I tried messing around and putting custom kernels on it but when I compared the scores to the thread I was reading, I couldn't even get the stock scores mentioned in the thread with a overclocked custom kernel.
I'm getting a total of 3412 on my Nexus 7 on my stock kernel on the stock rooted/unlocked bootloader 4.2.1. I wiped the device, reinstalled the 4.2.1 stock backup, and then installed quadrant and ran it so there shouldn't be background processes problems. This pisses me off because on the Jay's Buttery Tweaks, he got 4875 on his stock kernel/stock ROM. Somethings wrong there. What would cause such a horrible score?
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Honestly, who cares? Is your nexus laggy? Are you having trouble doing what you want to do? If not then screw it, you're fine. Why is everyone obsessed with idiotic scores and benchmarks? The girls won't sleep with you cuz your Quadrant was over 9000!
Quadrant has never given the Tegra3 Chip really good scores for some reason? Almost all other benchmarking apps like Antutu, CFBench, Vellemo, Smart-bench, and many others will give 3 phones that I have, that are very close in specs a much closer comparison. I don't know why it is but Quadrant has never benched any of my Tegra3 devices high.
And was stated above go by how it feels in real life usage, is it snappy and smooth don't go specifically by benchmarks all the time they can sometimes give you an idea, but they are not tell you real world usage. For example my moms Samsung Transform Ultra with Android 2.3 and a 1GHz single-core Snapdragon is still really snappy. Its hard to believe that it is almost as fast as some of my quad core newer devices.
I got 2883 on my bone stock while playing the walking dead...
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Why do you care about benchmark scores? They really really don't matter. What matters is how it performs during usage. Nothing else. You can have awesome scores, yet have the device lag during normal use.
From a Nexus S bathing in Jelly Beans
Alright well that was with the motley kernel and I'm not sure what was up but it felt pretty smooth with the motley kernel but gave me those terrible scores. Performance in GTA3 was a decent amount better than stock.
Then I restored the stock rom and installed M kernel and trickster Mod and after that because the benchmarks were just pissing me off. Overclocked to 1.6Ghz and did some SD modifications and jesus christ everything is buttery smooth, fast loading, gta3 runs awesome, and I can get a like 6200 score in quadrant and 15397 on AnTuTu. Probably the fastest anrdoid device I've ever used.
I just confuses the crap out of me because I get pretty crappy graphics scores and changing the GPU clock and raising the GPU voltage doesn't change the GPU score on either benchmark.
Can someone tell me what the LP core is and why my GPU scores won't change?
I disagree, respectfully of course. Benchmarks like the Quadrant are useful standard tools to measure the performance of these devices. While they are not perfect, they point out potential weaknesses in our phones and tablets and whatnot.
Compared to stock Nexus 7, the iPad mini runs much more smoothly and yet is underpowered spec-wise. Still the mini puts up a better benchmark score than the superior N7.
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quadrant doesn't matter, but it can be useful for developers or just for the fun of it. first off, most people don't bench correctly. you want the CPU to be at the highest CPU speed at all times, quadrant doesn't put enough stress on the device to allow that, so the CPU will scale. if it scales, you don't know the actual CPU speed that its testing. you want to set the CPU speed at the highest speed, and you want to set the lowest CPU speed as the highest speed also. also, for higher scores, you'd need to disable fsync, and turn off tegra hot plug(and enable all four cores). sdcard tweaks wont help you, neither will jays buttery tweaks. also, overclocking the GPU wont help since we are limited in fps.
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I disagree, respectfully of course. Benchmarks like the Quadrant are useful standard tools to measure the performance of these devices. While they are not perfect, they point out potential weaknesses in our phones and tablets and whatnot.
Compared to stock Nexus 7, the iPad mini runs much more smoothly and yet is underpowered spec-wise. Still the mini puts up a better benchmark score than the superior N7.
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where does the iPad mini show better benchmarks?
Well I've tried like 4 or 5 different kernels and m-kernel is the best. Only one that can score 15,000 on Antutu.
Can anyone riddle me why no matter what I change the gpu max frequency or voltages to, my 2d and 3d graphics are always the same?
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Well I've tried like 4 or 5 different kernels and m-kernel is the best. Only one that can score 15,000 on Antutu.
Can anyone riddle me why no matter what I change the gpu max frequency or voltages to, my 2d and 3d graphics are always the same?
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those benchmarks arent gpu benchmarks, especially quadrant. we are limited to 59/60 fps no matter what gpu you use. for gpu try basemark es2.0 taiji, gpu mark, or the windmill benchmark.
trinity kernel quadrant and antutu..
Jesus christ. Those are great results. What settings are you using? I installed trinity on a fresh restore of 4.2.1 and used Trickster Mod and System Tuner to set it to 1.7Ghz, performance, deadline, 1024 cache, zRAM enabled, fsync disabled, with stock voltages but I got barely over 5000.
I'm getting 6135 on the beefed up M-kernel. You get a decent amount higher in CPU, memory, and I/O, but your 2D score triples mine. 3D is the same.
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Jesus christ. Those are great results. What settings are you using? I installed trinity on a fresh restore of 4.2.1 and used Trickster Mod and System Tuner to set it to 1.7Ghz, performance, deadline, 1024 cache, zRAM enabled, fsync disabled, with stock voltages but I got barely over 5000.
I'm getting 6135 on the beefed up M-kernel. You get a decent amount higher in CPU, memory, and I/O, but your 2D score triples mine. 3D is the same.
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bench at 1700mhz high/1700mhz low. turn off tegra hotplug and enable all 4 cores(i dont know if trickster has that option, trinity kernel toolbox does), turn off fsync. trinity doent include zram, so you couldnt of used it. zram has nothing to do for performance anyways and doesnt help you with anything else. zram gives a little more ram for devices that are low ram to begin with. the n7 isnt low ram. plus, with zram, itll get slower after a few hours after bootup. i use ondemand/deadline btw. and, go into the devices main settings, developer options, and enable force gpu rendering. that raise your 2d score. i also bet that you are getting caught in the thermal throttle, which lowers your cpu speed when your device gets hot.
alright cool thanks for the info. I'll add in those settings minus the hotplug fix andsee what that does when I get.back. I know thermal throttling lowers scores. I've been doing tests recently on a bag of ice. the cpu stays plenty cool
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I'm getting pretty frustrated with my nexus 7 because I'm getting horribly low Quadrant scores. I tried messing around and putting custom kernels on it but when I compared the scores to the thread I was reading, I couldn't even get the stock scores mentioned in the thread with a overclocked custom kernel.
I'm getting a total of 3412 on my Nexus 7 on my stock kernel on the stock rooted/unlocked bootloader 4.2.1. I wiped the device, reinstalled the 4.2.1 stock backup, and then installed quadrant and ran it so there shouldn't be background processes problems. This pisses me off because on the Jay's Buttery Tweaks, he got 4875 on his stock kernel/stock ROM. Somethings wrong there. What would cause such a horrible score?
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WOW 3412 QS... Then if I show you this you will be pissed.
Full untouched Stock FL04 JB 4.1.2 SGSII E4GT. QS 4348
Quadrant Score are not important. If it performs well who cares about a QS.
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WOW 3412 QS... Then if I show you this you will be pissed.
Full untouched Stock FL04 JB 4.1.2 SGSII E4GT. QS 4348
Quadrant Score are not important. If it performs well who cares about a QS.
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Edited to delete comment as I was an idiot and did not read the above post fully before I opened my trap.
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I disagree, respectfully of course. Benchmarks like the Quadrant are useful standard tools to measure the performance of these devices. While they are not perfect, they point out potential weaknesses in our phones and tablets and whatnot.
Compared to stock Nexus 7, the iPad mini runs much more smoothly and yet is underpowered spec-wise. Still the mini puts up a better benchmark score than the superior N7.
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I disagree with that. Just by clearing up RAM and turning off Processes that were not being used just sitting in RAM, maybe 30 or 40MB, waiting to be used my score went up over 200 points. If the benchmark was accurate then that would not have actually made any difference as it would have cleared out any unused processes itself before running.
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Jesus christ. Those are great results. What settings are you using? I installed trinity on a fresh restore of 4.2.1 and used Trickster Mod and System Tuner to set it to 1.7Ghz, performance, deadline, 1024 cache, zRAM enabled, fsync disabled, with stock voltages but I got barely over 5000.
I'm getting 6135 on the beefed up M-kernel. You get a decent amount higher in CPU, memory, and I/O, but your 2D score triples mine. 3D is the same.
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Wow. Really? Ive gotten 5900 with just 1.4GHz, GPU 2d rendering and clearing out some RAM, fsync disabled running M-Kernel a23.
Hi,
Using ElementalX 0.11 kernel, I have overclocked my HTC One to 2160 MHz CPU and 450 MHz GPU. It is perfectly stable running some benchmarks such as antutu, quadrant, 3dmark and velamo. Aluminum case rulz, playing like a heatsink!
See results (ROM and launcher stock, kernel ElementalX 0.11)
Wouldn't make a huge amount of difference in everyday use though. Stock ROM is pretty damn smooth as it is
Sure, in daily use I'm using stock frequencies. I've just wanted to see till where I could push up boundaries
under the elmental x kernel is it possible to turn off cores ?
I run 1.9 ghz with elementalX and it is perfect. Great battery, great speed.
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Yes but what is the point? The higher you go the faster or throttles
The vellamo score is lower than stock lol. My stock gives 2.6k score
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Thank you for your post, but this type of discussion needs to remain in the kernel's thread.
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while I realize that many people hate benchmarks the truth in my humble opinion as a windows hacker and android enthusiast is that benchmarks, run properly, can tell you a whole lot. there is some variances but usually that is from screen brightness settings, running at different core temps, background apps, widgets, and waving the accelerometer around like you just don't care lol. and you can say all you want to synthetic means nothing but the fact is even manufacturer's use benchmarks in their testing of new chips as well. just look at the current benchmarks from sd 600 vs sd 800 from qualcom. so I have decided to carefully benchmark every kernel myself to find what gives ME the best user expieriance. maybe it will help the dev's, maybe not. maybe it will help you, maybe you hate my dog and want to skin my cat.
a benchmark can tell you how well the kernel makes use of the hardware so for testing purposes I have used stock rom on all tests. I have set up my cold box for testing so that the cpu and gpu do not suffer and return quickly to normal and have set brightness at 50. testing is done stationary against the back of the cold box proped so that cool air flows over the systemboard. for testing purposes there is only the stock clock widget and micro cpu monitor and a few battery temp/sytem stats apps running. after each benchmark the tablet memory was swept. all benchmarks were run 3 times and the highest score given is used here unless there was a wild varient and then it was tracked down and all benches ran again. after contemplating it i ran some of these plugged up to the ac on my cold box and sometimes i forgot to plug it up. and some using debugging but i honestly doubt that had an effect. so at any rate my benches will probably be a little lower than yours on all these kernels as im running stuff to keep me informed in the background
im also not really comparing custom kernels to one another but I do to stock kernel, every last one of them are great and offer a lot of features you cant get with stock. all offer performance above stock if the proper settings are used and the overclocks are not to extreme for the framework. they are all also still works in progress so I think they will improve with the developers attention as time goes by. i started with stock kernel and ran antutu, quadrant, velimo, 3d mark ice storm, 3d mark ice storm extreme, basemark x, gfxbench 2.7.0 t-rex hd onscreen, gfx 2.7 egypt hd onscreen
stock kernel
stock ran well and i liked it, but i hated having to long press wifi to toggle and short press takes you to settings, wtf google?
edit.... so at any rate my benches will probably be a little lower than yours on all these kernels as im running stuff to keep me informed in the background
whatever flo 002 kernel
the kernel ran smooth and i liked it. i have the same complaints about it as i do stock. wtf google?
so on this kernel as you can see it functioned better than stock on every single benchmark. some were close but just a little better is...well...better.
jassy release 5 kernel
this kernel is set up to use an external kernel control app. it will not function worth a hill of beans without it in my testing. and even further than that it seems to not like trickster mod for me as it bench's higher with faux kernel control app paid version. real world expierance is good. fauxclock is set to 1.89 ghz CPU OC. cpu ondemand governor. snake charmer and mpdecision on. intelithermal at 60 and 80 respectfully. gpu at 487. gpu simple governor. fiops i/o at 512 read ahead. as you can see in cpu and gpu performance it face smashes stock kernel then kicks it while its down and makes it cry for momma. i dont know what the dude pasted into this kernel but i like it. jassy worked hard so we could have a full featured kernel that works well. release 6 = win, release 5 o yeah baby performance even ondemand. i could still kick this to performance governor lol
elementalx 0.7 kernel
settings with no external kernel control app.
1988 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. simple gpu governor. stock bus. stock voltage. no stw, dtw. the kernel ran well in real world performance. STW and DTW are awsome features by the way and i really like this kernel but didnt install them for testing purposes, one less potential irritation. as you can see it actually lost a bit from stock performance though in every benchmark except basemarkx and gfxbench 2.7 t rex. that tells me there is a problem with cpu performance in this kernel. also look at the cpu vs gpu in antutu vs stock kernel. so what i like this kernel and with lower clocks, dude it rocks. stw and dtw are wins.
elementalx 0.7
settings with no external control app.
1890 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. ondemand governor. stock bus.stock voltage. no stw, no dtw. again the kernel ran well in real world performance but as you can see it took a serious hit in performance at this cpu clock setting. the gpu features continue to score high though
elementalx 0.7 kernel
settings with no external kernel control app.
1728 cpu overclock on each core. 487 gpu overclock. ondemand governor. stock bus. stock voltage. no stw, dtw.
as usual really nice running and here the voltage values are more sane i guess. bested stock in every bench. i figure 1.9 ish before the poo poo hits the fan and performance benches go south rather than north. that seems about the same for the other kernels ive tested too. flar2 really has a winning kernel here with stw and dtw. highly recommend giving it a try
3flo v4 kernel
not testing this one yet as my boy doesn't even have the nexus 7 2013 but I tell ya, I got a good feeling about him. seems dedicated and excited.
Edit...he just got a mpdecision kernel booting and posting good scores but has a cores on touch problem for me. Very beta but it shows that even without a device you can build. Still got a good feeling about this one.
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 kernel ulta
not coming. I can boot it and even run at highest settings but antutu ehh and im tired lol. maybe ill do it if the overclock structures are changed in some way but ehh not interested in this high on this chip.
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 ES
settings. faux 123 kernel control paid version. 1.512 ghzcpu. mpdecision off. cpu governor ondemand. snake charmer on. stock voltages. intelli thermal 60 and 80. gpu 400 and ondemand. fiops I/o 512 read ahead.
so here you can see again the same slight loss in gpu performance which lead to slightly lower scores than stock. cool kernel though and I do like intelli thermal so
faux123 flo jb 4.3 001 kernel mainline
settings in faux123 kernel control app paid version. 1.83 cpu OC. CPU Governor ondemand. intelliplug. mpdecision off. eco modeoff. snake charmer on. stock voltages. intelli thermal 60 and 80. gpu 400. gpu governor ondemand. fiops I/o 512 read ahead.
so I found the kernel smooth in real world. I looked for my sweet spot and found it around 1.836-1.89 cpu. above that didn't really work out well for me. so in this great kernel the cpu benchmarks higher than stock but for one reason or other the gpu seems to bench lower than stock. all in all a great kernel and omg I love the idea of eco mode and I think with proper cpu governor and eco this kernel would rock some battery butt.
Tiny kernel
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