I recently discovered the new Nexus 4 but soon realize it wont be available by verizon... Will there ever be a way i would be able to use this phone on verizon or is there just no way? If not, what verizon phone would be a good alternative?
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No it will not. You could always try getting the SIII and then flashing an N4 rom on it.
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No it will not. You could always try getting the SIII and then flashing an N4 rom on it.
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You can't flash an N4 rom on any other phone. You would need to flash a ROM built for the SIII that is based on stock Android.
The SIII is probably the best option currently on Verizon. if you don't want to mess around with custom ROMs, the Droid Razr Maxx HD may be a better option as Blur is much closer to stock Android now than TouchWiz.
If you're looking for the fast upgrades and don't mind rooting then the Galaxy Nexus is a great phone. Really, you shouldn't need to root to get the updates from Google, but Verizon slows it all down. Since rooting I've no complaints on this phone. My only complaints are with Verizon.
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If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
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If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
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I think maybe it can be. If you look at the LG Optimus G you can convert it into a Nexus 4.
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If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
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I doubt you will be able to convert it into a device that receives updates from Google, because those updates are pushed based on your device's ID. The Device ID will always be a AT&T Galaxy S4.
However, that doesn't mean that the community won't create their own distros and OTA's that can be applied to any Galaxy S4 whenever Google pushes updates to their Galaxy S4.
I'm sure the day after the rom is released it will be available for us to try out
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Thanks guys. I am coming from an iPhone 5 which I prefer and will keep as my primary device. I love the S4 as it is full of features (gimmicks) and eye candy but is no match for the iPhone 5 in terms of robustness etc. Yes iOS has become stale but even at half the cpu power as the S4 it still feels faster and more solid hardware wise. Just purchased the nano to micro sim adapter for $2 so i will be swapping back and forth and enjoying the best of both devices.
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Thanks guys. I am coming from an iPhone 5 which I prefer and will keep as my primary device. I love the S4 as it is full of features (gimmicks) and eye candy but is no match for the iPhone 5 in terms of robustness etc. Yes iOS has become stale but even at half the cpu power as the S4 it still feels faster and more solid hardware wise. Just purchased the nano to micro sim adapter for $2 so i will be swapping back and forth and enjoying the best of both devices.
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I did that for a while and then just stayed with android. I liked iPhone but os was boring quick and biggest issue was trying to type on a small screen and use it felt weird quick as I was used to bigger screen and could never go back to iPhone again. This phone lags big time but with cm10 it will fly and the note 2 or HTC one flies also so you can't compare this crappy Samsung rom on sgs4 to android phones in general.
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We will get aosp (nexus software) as soon as the bootloader is unlocked...so we will probably have nexus software before the google edition is released
There are already custom aosp roms released for the phone that are working good...only thing holding back att users is the bootloader. But the fact they exist tells us that we will have a nexus like experience on our s4...idk why everyone thinks it relies on the google edition...because it doesn't. Nearly every phone here on xda has the ability to run aosp aka nexus software
The only benefit of the google edition is it will hopefully bring good source code allowing devs to fix bugs much more easily and incorporate the new sensors into the roms
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We will get aosp (nexus software) as soon as the bootloader is unlocked...so we will probably have nexus software before the google edition is released
There are already custom aosp roms released for the phone that are working good...only thing holding back att users is the bootloader. But the fact they exist tells us that we will have a nexus like experience on our s4...idk why everyone thinks it relies on the google edition...because it doesn't. Nearly every phone here on xda has the ability to run aosp aka nexus software
The only benefit of the google edition is it will hopefully bring good source code allowing devs to fix bugs much more easily and incorporate the new sensors into the roms
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let's hope the stock android version on the google gs4 is not the same stock android on nexus 4. because if it is, then there will be no gs4 sensor support in the google gs4.
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I think maybe it can be. If you look at the LG Optimus G you can convert it into a Nexus 4.
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the reason the lg optimus g was able to take nexus 4 stock android and use it is because 1.) the lg optimus g finally got upgraded to android 4.1.2 which gave it the same rmp/tz as android 4.2.2. 2.) they share the exact same hardware since they are both made by LG and the models copied each other. the same wont be able to be said for the gs4, so it will take alot of modifying. much more than it does for the lg optimus g to run nexus 4 roms.
I just recently got the note 3 and heard this upgrade might be out on the 28th. Been using jelly bean on my s3 and I personally can't wait for this on the note! Anyone have any note 3 specific hopes with this about to be released?
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I'm looking forward to possible sms integration in Hangouts. Hoping even more for Google Voice integration in Hangouts.
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Hate to be a debbie downer, but unless they've streamlined the upgrade process for phones, we won't be getting 4.4 on the 28th.
I'm very excited for this, this release will end up dictating whether or not I end up getting the note 3. I am here with my GNex and if the note 3 can end up getting 4.4 soon (via custom roms of course) fast ill end up with the note 3. This is all depending on verizon getting the new nexus of course.
I don't think kit kat will be all that significant based on leaked info but I'm still looking forward to it
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I would be surprised if we get the 4.4 update that fast. Verizon is always one of the last to get updates for Android. So don't hold your breath.
Well I hope it's just a whole new feel at the very least.
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Kit Kat will be released on the 28th... yeah... but then Samsung has to get hold of it and touch wiz the crap out of it... Then verizon has to test and approve... blah blah blah... i would be shocked to see 4.4 OTA on this device this year
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Kit Kat will be released on the 28th... yeah... but then Samsung has to get hold of it and touch wiz the crap out of it... Then verizon has to test and approve... blah blah blah... i would be shocked to see 4.4 OTA on this device this year
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Dont forget having to shoe horn in 50lbs of bloat as well!
What are you guys smoking?
Verizon won't let us have KitKat until probably April of next year.
You're better off hoping the bootloader gets unlocked soon so we can put it in ourselves. That's the only way we'll get it any time relatively soon.
We will get KitKat when we have custom ROMs, long before Verizon's OTA.
We will get KitKat when "IF" we have custom ROMs, long before Verizon's OTA.
I'm interested in what Google has in store for us with Kit Kat but I think Android Jelly Bean 4.1 - 4.3 has been awesome. I'm so content with Android 4.3 on my Galaxy Note 3 that I just can't get overly excited.
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b00mb00mchuck said:
We will get KitKat when "IF" we have custom ROMs, long before Verizon's OTA.
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When. It will happen. It's just been a few days since release. Devs aren't happy with Samsung, so many don't want to mess with it, but either the devs working now will have a breakthrough or another will yawn and make a bootstrap within hours. Not sure if a bootloader unlock will come around without someone getting a leaked unlock key from some Samsung guy in China. It's not about being possible or not, it's about a skilled devs desire to spend time on it.
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What are you guys smoking?
Verizon won't let us have KitKat until probably April of next year.
You're better off hoping the bootloader gets unlocked soon so we can put it in ourselves. That's the only way we'll get it any time relatively soon.
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And this is why I avoided this phone. The Note 3 is hands down the best phone right now but as soon as the software updates roll in from Google you start to think twice (and that's with a fully unlocked bootloader on the Note 2). With all the tweaks and software enhancements it's not an overnight job. By the time my Note 2 gets 4.3, kitkat 4.4 will be about a month or more old.
The bad part about Android is.. You compromise on the software and get the note 3 or you compromise on the hardware and get a nexus device.. no sd, usually poor battery, aging processors the list goes on. Except Google edition s4, HTC one of course
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Its the 28th
WHERES MY KIT KAT!!! :crying:
I'm hoping for a stock android experience to finally hit the note 3. Somewhat sick of touchwiz.
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The bad part about Android is.. You compromise on the software and get the note 3 or you compromise on the hardware and get a nexus device.. no sd, usually poor battery, aging processors the list goes on. Except Google edition s4, HTC one of course
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Ageing processor? It's got the same as the Note 3.
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Well I, for one, am very anxious for the KitKat announcement specifically to see how the rumors play out in terms of Android becoming more modular and bypassing OEM and carrier update schedules. It's sounding like the stock launcher is going to end up in the Play Store, and I've also heard that the notification system could be separated from the Android framework allowing for 3rd party notification bars.
At that point, the only user-facing things left to the OEMs are the phone app and the settings (anything else I'm missing?). That makes me feel much better about my new 2-year contract with VZW.
Also, Hangouts SMS integration can't get here fast enough. Not pleased with Samsung's Messenger app.
-Chad
Dose anyone know when cm will be available for Verizon note 3???
Probably never. Officially anyway. CyanogenMod usually stays away from devices with locked bootloaders and I don't think they recognize SafeStrap as an alternative. That said, some developer may decide to try port and SS installable Cyanogen version. If I still had my build setup going I might even try it, but I'd need LOTS of help. I'm not a developer by any stretch, but I can tinker a little.
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Dose anyone know when cm will be available for Verizon note 3???
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Could see it for the developer edition. Safestrap can't flash kernals for right now from my understanding. On the S4 only kernals based from stock can be flashed. It takes a ton of work to make a stock based kernal able to boot AOSP, but I believe its been done.
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Probably never. Officially anyway. CyanogenMod usually stays away from devices with locked bootloaders and I don't think they recognize SafeStrap as an alternative. That said, some developer may decide to try port and SS installable Cyanogen version. If I still had my build setup going I might even try it, but I'd need LOTS of help. I'm not a developer by any stretch, but I can tinker a little.
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That's not what's preventing a aosp rom for our phone. The reason is you can't flash kernels in safestrap. And aosp requires a special built kernel... Plus, as much as I loved aosp on all of my previous devices, I wouldn't put it on my phone because it takes away the reason I got this device, you can't use the pen and all of the gimmicks.
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, as much as I loved aosp on all of my previous devices, I wouldn't put it on my phone because it takes away the reason I got this device, you can't use the pen and all of the gimmicks.
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I agree 100%.
Running beans ROM now and I'm 100% happy with it.
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That's not what's preventing a aosp rom for our phone. The reason is you can't flash kernels in safestrap. And aosp requires a special built kernel... Plus, as much as I loved aosp on all of my previous devices, I wouldn't put it on my phone because it takes away the reason I got this device, you can't use the pen and all of the gimmicks.
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Correct. And the reason you can't flash kernels in SS is because of the locked bootloader (which is also the reason we need SS in the first place).
BTW: Cyanogenmod supports the s-pen. It just doesn't come with the proprietary Samsung apps.
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This is why we need @nitroglycerine33 bad. With his ROM you get basically all the aosp look you want but maintain the TW features and functionality.
We need to get him a device!
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This is why we need @nitroglycerine33 bad. With his ROM you get basically all the aosp look you want but maintain the TW features and functionality.
We need to get him a device!
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JellyBeans also focuses on theming close to AOSP.....
Speaking from my Note 2 experience (currently an iPhone 5s owner looking to get back into the Android game) I always went back to Touchwiz roms even with my unlocked bootloader. I now feel that if you want AOSP or cyanogenMod get a Nexus device. The Note devices are just not made for it.
But this SS method sounds interesting (first time hearing about it today). If I get this Note 3 from the trade in a few days I can't wait to see it in action.
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Speaking from my Note 2 experience (currently an iPhone 5s owner looking to get back into the Android game) I always went back to Touchwiz roms even with my unlocked bootloader. I now feel that if you want AOSP or cyanogenMod get a Nexus device. The Note devices are just not made for it.
But this SS method sounds interesting (first time hearing about it today). If I get this Note 3 from the trade in a few days I can't wait to see it in action.
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Say what? You forget you are no longer in the land of Apple. Can't doesn't exist in these parts Need to hurry up and get more Dev editions in stock though or I'm going to end up just holding out to see if the M8 gets the features that will have it taking best in show.
I love Paranoid and AOKP but I also love Touchwiz. It really has evolved over the years and has become smooth. I wouldn't mind AOSP but it's not a deal breaker for me.....even tho I do own a Dev Edition and I'm able to flash custom kernels
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im still using the s2 ive been due an upgrade for about 3 months now but cant decide to go for the s4 or wait for the s5,
do you think its worth waiting for the s5
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grakon said:
im still using the s2 ive been due an upgrade for about 3 months now but cant decide to go for the s4 or wait for the s5,
do you think its worth waiting for the s5
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Only you can decide that. Look up the proposed features of the S5 and then see what the S4 offers and make a decision. I would wait until it is definitely known what the specs and features of the S5 will be because it's just speculation now. Also, do as much reading as possible. Just about any possible question about the S4 has been asked and answered, just use the search function to find those answers.
One more thing. If you wait for the S5, wait until the developers edition or GE edition is released. Maybe even get the International S5 version if it is proven to work with AT&T LTE (which it should). DO not get the carrier branded version unless locked bootloaders and bloat is what you are looking for. Also, look into the KNOX issues to see if it further cripples the phones ability to be customized. If it does, you will probably be better going with another brand. But, like I said, you need to read and decide for yourself. Good luck.
Personally I don't think it's worth the wait. As for the s4 it's a good phone but there are other great phones out at the moment. If I was in your shoes I would consider the nexus 5 HTC one and LG g2 as alternative options. There is the note 3 but that depends on if your willing to carry a 5.7 inch screen with you.
Also now that I've had the s4 for a while I honestly got bored with it. I was hoping 4.3 would breath life back into it but it's just about the same. As for safestrap it helped but shortly got bored with ROMs and went back to stock. For my next upgrade I'll try another brand.
interesting replys thanks for that seems like i got a bit of reading to
i was thinking of going for the s5 cause ive been more than happy with the s2 for the last 2 years and i would imagine the s5 when its released will be a full spec phone
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interesting replys thanks for that seems like i got a bit of reading to
i was thinking of going for the s5 cause ive been more than happy with the s2 for the last 2 years and i would imagine the s5 when its released will be a full spec phone
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The future of flashing custom Roms is getting harder with new phones coming out so keep that in mind, if you don't mind not flashing custom Roms than the s5 would be a great phone.
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Stay far away from the official ATT S4, they locked this phone down so tight, no custom Recovery, no flashing fresh new ROM's. It totally sucks, and is a very disturbing trend from ATT. Even the new Note 3 got the shaft Development on the ATT Note 3 is NONEXISTENT.
Even though I do love my S4, great smartphone, but if you get an MF3, or MJ9 version, your screwed.
If you got the cash, and want an S4, get the Google Play Edition, or find an International S4 on eBay.
I sure hope ATT isn't going to continue this in the future, locking down all new phones, and killing development ?
At least the ATT HTC One is totally developer friendly, it can be rooted, recovery, and S-Off no problem.
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Probably best served if all future discussion goes here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433789
I'm a Nexus user, and have been for a while. This is my first non-Nexus Android device in a few years. Now, my understanding of Samsung is that Odin can be used to flash pretty much anything, including bootloaders. So, why is the S5 not unlocked? What is preventing Odin from being used to convert the regular S5 to the developer edition, simply by replacing the bootloaders?
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I'm a Nexus user, and have been for a while. This is my first non-Nexus Android device in a few years. Now, my understanding of Samsung is that Odin can be used to flash pretty much anything, including bootloaders. So, why is the S5 not unlocked? What is preventing Odin from being used to convert the regular S5 to the developer edition, simply by replacing the bootloaders?
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bluesy_92 said:
I'm a Nexus user, and have been for a while. This is my first non-Nexus Android device in a few years. Now, my understanding of Samsung is that Odin can be used to flash pretty much anything, including bootloaders. So, why is the S5 not unlocked? What is preventing Odin from being used to convert the regular S5 to the developer edition, simply by replacing the bootloaders?
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Because bootloaders are device-specific. For the purposes of this discussion, the S5 retail edition and S5 dev edition are different devices. I'm in your boat - my last phone was a Nexus 5. I switched carriers for better service (boo, Sprint), and I'm happy with the S5 for the most part, but there are definitely a lot of things that I miss about the N5. Easy flashing is one of them. If the Moto X+1 launches later this month at a Nexus-ish price point like I've been hearing, I will almost certainly sell the S5 and buy one.
And yes, I realize that the Verizon X+1 will most likely have a locked bootloader as well. But it'll also have (mostly) stock Android and (probably) speedy updates. Not knocking the S5 by any means, but I'm definitely a stock Android guy.
As much as I'd hate to admit it, because I've always run CyanogenMod, I'm not sure I'd need it. I'm kinda starting to like what they've done with TouchWiz. The camera app is amazing, ultra power saving mode, the fingerprint scanner...
I miss the customization and performance tuning, but rooted TouchWiz seems like what AOSP should've been. And if TouchWiz was more user-customizable, what custom ROMs should've been. I remember TouchWiz from the Froyo days...never thought I'd like it more than AOSP.
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