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Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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take a look at i9300 sgs3 development section,
then come back here with your findings
If it's anything like the Note 2 you will loss any Samsung tweaks if you go with a non-touchwiz Rom. Even GPS and bluetooth is a little hairy on Aosp or cyanogenmod Roms. But each phone/team working on the Rom is different. I'm actually sticking with a custom touchwiz Rom because I need the reliability for a business trip this upcoming week.
And it will be extreme luck if the IR sensor works without Samsung's framework. The IR port is the one thing I've been dying for to make a come back. I would actually pay $20 for a fully programmable IR app that has the same functionality of one of those expensive Logitech models.
The development scene for Samsung phones has been huge and vibrant. Samsung is nice about keeping things unlocked and releasing source code, and while it may take time for AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's to be fully functional and stable the S4 will have plenty of custom ROM's in its future.
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The development scene for Samsung phones has been huge and vibrant. Samsung is nice about keeping things unlocked and releasing source code, and while it may take time for AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's to be fully functional and stable the S4 will have plenty of custom ROM's in its future.
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I have no doubt that the S4 will get AOSP/CM/AOKP roms but the OP question was about the sensors. You got temp sensor, IR sensor, hover with finger sensor, and some of the camera tweaks. I don't think those Roms will have the sensor fully functionals. That's the issue I have right now on my Note 2. I love the cleanness of a stock Android Rom but I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed. And battery life on touchwiz Roms appear to be better. These are choices we're going to have to make.
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...I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that entirely part of the launcher and TouchWiz apps rather than the ROM?
Piaband said:
Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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I assure you it will be huge and vibrant, for now....
Wait 1 year later.
S3 & Note 2 users will now experience what S2 and Note users experienced for the past year. Total nightmare and hell.
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I have no doubt that the S4 will get AOSP/CM/AOKP roms but the OP question was about the sensors. You got temp sensor, IR sensor, hover with finger sensor, and some of the camera tweaks. I don't think those Roms will have the sensor fully functionals. That's the issue I have right now on my Note 2. I love the cleanness of a stock Android Rom but I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed. And battery life on touchwiz Roms appear to be better. These are choices we're going to have to make.
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You hit the nail on the head my friend. I am looking to run stock android jelly bean on my next device.
I had a nexus s for my first android phone and I took it for granted how amazingly easy it was to flash not only roms but radios, kernels, basically anything. And I just love stock android.
I am now on an HTC rezound. While I do like it, I sorely miss stock android and flashing away at will. Already had quite a few flashing mishaps.
If I am forced to run touchwiz to use all these new features, then I'm not going to pay attention to the features when choosing my next device.
This wouldn't even be an issue if the LG nexus was released on Verizon.
Ugh, looks like I'm still waiting.
Rezound, s-off, loving it.
Livebyte said:
I assure you it will be huge and vibrant, for now....
Wait 1 year later.
S3 & Note 2 users will now experience what S2 and Note users experienced for the past year. Total nightmare and hell.
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Explain?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that entirely part of the launcher and TouchWiz apps rather than the ROM?
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Actually it depends on the feature.. Some of the features see baked into the framework apk others have individual apps... None of them are launcher dependent.. However all of these together make a ROM.. So I don't know you are referring to??
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He means all the devs will fly in droves to the new flagship device leaving the flagship devices of last year stranded..
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Explain?
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Most experienced developers are leaving Samsung for manufacturers that don't treat them like **** (see the Superbrick fiasco), leaving only the "me-too" smali-hack-kangs and a very small number of experienced competent developers like Andrei.
Quality, not quantity - most of the stuff in the I9100 and I9300 forums is crap, people who took a Touchwizz base, themed it, made some build.prop hacks, and called it a whole new firmware package. They're lucky in that Touchwizz is so bad that it's easy to improve upon it.
Compare to, for example, the Xperia T where there are 5-10 or more developers all contributing as a team to something that only has two threads (One for CM10, one for CM10.1) There aren't many people working with Sony stock firmwares because, honestly, it's REALLY hard to improve upon them because they're so good to begin with. Most of the few things that can be improved are achievable with simple TiBu freezes, no smali hacking required.
I think it'll make AOSP (CM/AOKP) hard to develop but there super people! I'm sure they'll figure it out and help!
However Touchwiz ROM's could be pulled and edited! We won't lose any features/it won't be hard.
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I think it'll make AOSP (CM/AOKP) hard to develop but there super people! I'm sure they'll figure it out and help!
However Touchwiz ROM's could be pulled and edited! We won't lose any features/it won't be hard.
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Project Butter in Exynos 4210 devices (eg. Note & S2) is still broken until today and will never be solved.
A technically inferior Galaxy Nexus is superior to the Note. Take that for a change.
You have no idea how frustrated and angry are we people targeting Samsung in the Note & S2 forums.
I swore never to buy anymore Exynos devices after this fiasco.
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Project Butter in Exynos 4210 devices (eg. Note & S2) is still broken until today and will never be solved.
A technically inferior Galaxy Nexus is superior to the Note. Take that for a change.
You have no idea how frustrated and angry are we people targeting Samsung in the Note & S2 forums.
I swore never to buy anymore Exynos devices after this fiasco.
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And the S3 community, count it in. We're fed up with all those broken promises too.
Piaband said:
Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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Only for developers that want to wipe Samsung off the phone. Which I don't understand since most of the new hardware features require drivers Samsung rightfully will not release. For the longest time and to this day you could not get the FM radio to work on CM without buying a $10 Spirit radio app.
I'm sure there will be plenty of developers that will develop deoxed custom ROMs and great kernels with tweaks OCing etc. . Omega already to jump in. The only custom ROM's I've ever used were that of STOCK ROM development where features could be enhanced and drivers would not be a problem. CM always seems to have something missing or not working.
Why buy a Samsung device and then wipe it clean of all the great features? Just buy a Nexus 4
That said. I don't mind running an ASOP ROM on my Nexus 7 I will be glad to get rid of when Samsung releases the 6.5" Note 3.
For many a stock base is good enough with a custom launcher. This is a very very small community. I know at least 12 people with an S 3and 6 with Notes. None of them even want their phones rooted.
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The real question I have is.. If the UK and the US get the quad core processor, Which device would have more developers....Exynos or Snapdragon?
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The real question I have is.. If the UK and the US get the quad core processor, Which device would have more developers....Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Snapdragon always gets more aosp... So i assume more serious devs that are still in board will get Qualcomm
trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
Piaband said:
Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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I think GS4 & Note3 development will be pretty similar to GS2, Note, GS3 and Note2.
AFAIK, for example, the AOSP based ROMs don't really support the S-Pen on the Notes, but that's more app specific.
Cameras have long been, and will likely continue to be a problem. Video capture rates may be lower, features like both cameras, sound in pictures, smart scroll may not be supportable.
As always, for stock features, there will be stock based ROMs. Take your choice, features or AOSP based.
As with all the other Galaxy S class devices, there will be two main variants: International Exynos Octa & US/LTE/Qualcomm. ROMs, XDA forum sections and many issues will be different for each.
I predict that many ROM devs will continue to complain about the lack of Exynos info and source code. But they will develop, as best they can. I'd like to see Samsung open up more, Sony and Qualcomm are better at open-ness.
And there will be at least one other group for the Qualcomm variants; I'd hope the US carrier variants will all be able to run the same ROMs, but previous experience is different I guess.
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For the longest time and to this day you could not get the FM radio to work on CM without buying a $10 Spirit radio app.
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1st post of my thread has links to free versions, as well as free alphas of Spirit2, with digital audio features for Galaxy S class devices.
I hope the proposed Android FM API will see success and provide more options.
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Snapdragon always gets more aosp... So i assume more serious devs that are still in board will get Qualcomm
trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
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Only reason I ask is that the i9300 get newer software updates vs the 8747 or t999. I was recently dead set on getting the i9500 but now it well be based more on development. The the ir blaster won't work km cm or aosp as it doesn't work on the note 10.1...Only touch wiz. Not really a big deal to me but I was Curtis as th where most devs are from that usually get the international ones. LTE to me means is reach my data cap sooner so hsdpa+ is plenty quick got me.
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Most experienced developers are leaving Samsung for manufacturers that don't treat them like **** (see the Superbrick fiasco), leaving only the "me-too" smali-hack-kangs and a very small number of experienced competent developers like Andrei.
Quality, not quantity - most of the stuff in the I9100 and I9300 forums is crap, people who took a Touchwizz base, themed it, made some build.prop hacks, and called it a whole new firmware package. They're lucky in that Touchwizz is so bad that it's easy to improve upon it.
Compare to, for example, the Xperia T where there are 5-10 or more developers all contributing as a team to something that only has two threads (One for CM10, one for CM10.1) There aren't many people working with Sony stock firmwares because, honestly, it's REALLY hard to improve upon them because they're so good to begin with. Most of the few things that can be improved are achievable with simple TiBu freezes, no smali hacking required.
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Yeah, I guess that's just for exynos based galaxy devices. My US S2 Variant has several 4.2.2 aosp roms. Aokp, cm10.1, pac, slim, rootbox etc. I assume the USA s4 will be similar.
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I am thinking about finally rooting and romming my I337.. Which should I do? Why/Why Not?
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No brain'er here, CM. Google is to bland, basic, and is sluggish to me.
The Ax says, my opinion only.
TheAxman said:
No brain'er here, CM. Google is to bland, basic, and is sluggish to me.
The Ax says, my opinion only.
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I would say that opposite, cm has some nice features, but are not ready yet for an everyday phone with zero issues. Google edition is rock solid stable. Also some people, like myself, appreciate the barebones look of stock Android and don't want all the add-ons that come with cm
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I tried GE but missed CM features too much.
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I tried GE but missed CM features too much.
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Same. I tried GE for about 3 or 4 hour before reverting to a nandroid of my CM10.1 Hell I couldnt even turn off the Google Seach on the homescreen on it like I can with CM
IMHO Cm10.1 is very very stable now. Running it every day no issues at all for me.
When using GE, I didn't like not having the ability to change the quick settings pull-down options
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IMHO Cm10.1 is very very stable now. Running it every day no issues at all for me.
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I wholeheartedly agree. I had been rom hopping around all over the place, but have pretty much settled into CM.
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Thanks everyone... My buddy just got a true GE S4 and I am going to play with it but you have confirmed what I was thinking.
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Me personally I didnt like the CM roms. I think they are good just need a little more work to make them really shine. Now GE my phone ran amazing and had great battery life. If you like to customize heavily I think CM but if you want a phone that really shines on battery life GE.
The CM mods don't have the headphone microphone & audio working during phone calls.
I'm still contemplating which rom should I switch.. Which rooting method did you guys used?
My S4 is GT-i9505 (I9505XXUBMF8), I've read about Motochopper and CF method, which is safer and easier?
I used Casual 527b. It worked flawlessly.
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That is a good complete no brainer hahah. Cm10.1 is the same thing as GE
They are both aosp based hence look the same , act the same. However one has tons of features and one has almost no features. Cm10.1 really is better . And ... if you really like ge edition thqt much go download the sun beam live wallpaper and apply it on Cm10.1!!! Now it's google edition'd. Lol.
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I'm still contemplating which rom should I switch.. Which rooting method did you guys used?
My S4 is GT-i9505 (I9505XXUBMF8), I've read about Motochopper and CF method, which is safer and easier?
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I have an I337m, so the boot loader is unlocked, I used Odin to flash CWM, then used that to flash the superSU zip file
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Thanks for posting the question OP. I'm a big fan of CM and I wish it was a simple answer. It's rather complicated. I came from the Evita (HTC One X) over to GS4 and I was wondering whether the GE would outshine CM. Currently I'm on CM10.2 nightlies (just arrived) with a nandroid of KangaBean GE backed up on my phone.
Basically, if you're coming from TW stock, you may love GE unconditionally and love it's rock solid stability. However if you've gotten a taste of CM, you're going to look at GE as a bit bare boned when it comes to features. I think the CM devs are brilliant but you'll have to contend with a few bugs in the nightlies here and there but that's not to say CM isn't a daily driver. On this device, it absolutely is good to go. CM also has literally has an army of devs adding new security features and new apps to enrich the experience (Focal and hopefully in the near future, Chomecast). GE isn't doing that at all and you're really relying on a couple of devs teaming up and trying to add mods to enrich the experience.
Also regarding updates, the CM team is absolutely committed to keeping you on the bleeding edge. If you noticed, Android 4.3 dropped and the CM team SWARMED on it. The Github was a mess for a few weeks but they essentially ripped it all apart and put it back together in a very short period. Now they're on 4.3/CM10.2 nightlies for most devices. On the other hand, if you think just because you have a GE phone you're going to get the latest updates you're in for a rude awakening. It wasn't billed as a Nexus device so don't expect updates on that level. Hopefully GE updates drop earlier than the TW updates so the devs can get their hands on them for you but I'm not holding my breath on that one. To be honest, I think you're more likely to see the next version of Android come from CyanogenMod.
So you just have to pick your poison. I think I'm going to restore KangaBean today but I'll likely be back on CM before the day is over.
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First of all, did your phone already update to MF3? if so your only option is rooting at this point the Loki exploit was patched in MF3 and your likely SOL when it comes to custom roms, possibly permanently, bootloader workarounds or unlocks are tough and I haven't seen any signs of progress on that front around here on XDA
If you want a rom that is a stable excellent daily driver go with GPe rom, no issues or lag whatsoever.
If you want to be on the bleeding edge, use CM but it still has some pretty big bugs at this point, they don't even have a milestone release at this point I don't think, it's just nightlies. There will be issues
The few extra features aren't worth the bugs imho, I don't mess with CM until they get to a RC for my device, (occasionally I've give a milestone release a try) because the bugs bother me.
I'd rather have stability over features that I rarely use.
Most people on XDA tend to overlook a lot of small and sometimes big bugs with very early releases of AOSP roms like CM and AOKP
Casual was super easy and that's what I used to root, though I swapped out TWRP for clockwork recovery as it has auto-loki
Please detail these "big bugs".
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Please detail these "big bugs".
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Now when you were on CM did you ever make it to CM 11 M8 Build. I really enjoy that ROM on my s4 but I have better luck using Dan's 4.4.4 GPE ROM. its way more stable. I really want to love CM because I believe they have so much going for them but I have too many issues. Plus battery life is not amazing. No horrible but not amazing.
I'm trying to decide between the G2 and Note 3. Obviously both have their plus and minus points but what will sway it for me is the dev action with vanilla ROMs.
I know it's early days for the G2, and N3 isn't even out yet, but I'd like opinions on whether G2 is gonna get much love in this respect? Did the LG Optimus G Pro get much? Also any other factors preventing this, such as locked bootloaders, etc. I will be looking at getting the UK version.
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A super alpha (more proof of concept) cm10.1 just went up today.
Wow great news to hear there is a CM build for this already, even if it is a really buggy early alpha right now. It will get better.
I think that if the Nexus 5 is in fact what we have been seeing the past few days in the FCC papers then the G2 will also get some great AOSP love since the hardware itself is near identical, the physical form factor is what is changed.
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I'm trying to decide between the G2 and Note 3. Obviously both have their plus and minus points but what will sway it for me is the dev action with vanilla ROMs.
I know it's early days for the G2, and N3 isn't even out yet, but I'd like opinions on whether G2 is gonna get much love in this respect? Did the LG Optimus G Pro get much? Also any other factors preventing this, such as locked bootloaders, etc. I will be looking at getting the UK version.
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I don't have enough posts to post in that thread, but I'm on board with this effort. I'll gladly help with getting a fully function CM port running; doing so will also effectively complete the groundwork for a true Nexus-like vanilla AOSP build.
I'm a professional developer who works with desktop C++ and embedded linux, hacked on and rolled my own kernel drivers, etc. My plan is to make this my weekend project and hammer out ABI/proprietary binary issues to get a build of either CM or AOSP fully functional. Odds are good that the release of the N5 will make this process substantially easier as it will share a very similar hardware platform and include binaries linked against the latest kernels for KitKat.
I am excite.
I had been running Carbon ROM on my GNex and loved the AOSPness of it, but have to admit, I kinda enjoy some of the LG stuff. Would love LG + AOSP rom including things like tap-tap and the camera (although I miss Photosphere)
AOSP ROMS!!
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I had been running Carbon ROM on my GNex and loved the AOSPness of it, but have to admit, I kinda enjoy some of the LG stuff. Would love LG + AOSP rom including things like tap-tap and the camera (although I miss Photosphere)
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Man, I would love some AOSP ROMs for this phone. I agree that the knock-knock on/off is a nice feature, but I need vanilla Android. This LG skin is just too much for me!
Bring on the AOSP guys!
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Man, I would love some AOSP ROMs for this phone. I agree that the knock-knock on/off is a nice feature, but I need vanilla Android. This LG skin is just too much for me!
Bring on the AOSP guys!
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You just have to wait patiently. Barely 2 weeks ago CM10.2 went up for the G Pro finally, and since then, you simply have to look in the Original Devleopment forum to see what has happened. Literally, a dozen AOSP 4.2 and 4.3 ROMs popped up, all perfectly functional.
Just wait and contribute all you can and we'll all see AOSP soon.
I'm really looking into the g2 being my next device. However..... If it can't have a fully functional PACman ROM ported over, I'm out then.
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I will have to learn to progam now lol
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A super alpha (more proof of concept) cm10.1 just went up today.
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Where? I would download it just to play around lol.
I currently am using an s1, which has been an amazing little phone, running android 4.4 flawlessly, and I'll still be keeping it as a 'going out drinking' phone.
Now here's the thing.... My mate recently bought an s4, and I really dislike the touchwiz way of things. But if I were to install a more stock android (nexus) looking ROM, would I lose features such as smart pause, or does it still exist in more nexus look ROMs? What about multiwindow??
If I would lose such features, what other things like smart pause would I lose if I chose to install a more stock android look ROM?
I'm very clued up in all to do with the s1, but this is the first time I've thought about upgrading. It's really just the bigger screen that's making me think about it because like I say, this little s1 has been by far the best phone I've ever owned. But maybe it's time for change....
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I currently am using an s1, which has been an amazing little phone, running android 4.4 flawlessly, and I'll still be keeping it as a 'going out drinking' phone.
Now here's the thing.... My mate recently bought an s4, and I really dislike the touchwiz way of things. But if I were to install a more stock android (nexus) looking ROM, would I lose features such as smart pause, or does it still exist in more nexus look ROMs?
If I would lose such features, what other things like smart pause would I lose if I chose to install a more stock android look ROM?
I'm very clued up in all to do with the s1, but this is the first time I've thought about upgrading. It's really just the bigger screen that's making me think about it because like I say, this little s1 has been by far the best phone I've ever owned. But maybe it's time for change....
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I have the Google Play edition of the S4 and it has the stock Android rom. It doesn't have the smart view or other touchwiz features. Having come from a touchwiz S3 I do miss those features somewhat, but I like the freedom and flexibility of having an unlocked phone. There are some roms that have touchwiz features in them, which you can find in the development section.
If u prefer more the appearance of Nexus and u still loving the S4, I recommend u buy the Samsung Galaxy S4 Gt-i9505G (Google Play Edition). U can take a first look in this video -> HERE
Some touchwiz features are still baked into nexus look ROMs, like multiwindow?
I'd really like to have multiwindow, going from my 4" screen, but I find touchwiz to be horrible....
I'll go have a look at some ROMs in the dev section. If anyone knows of the kind of ROM I'm looking for then I'd appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks
Edit: and for bonus points, can someone please tell me what version of the s4 will it be that I get from the o2(UK) shop tomorrow. i9500/9505/9505G/9506 because I don't know what dev section to look for ROMs in......
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If u prefer more the appearance of Nexus and u still loving the S4, I recommend u buy the Samsung Galaxy S4 Gt-i9505G (Google Play Edition). U can take a first look in this video -> HERE
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Only one problem there. My s1 is running KitKat, I'd rather not buy a phone 3 generations newer and use an older operating system on it.
KitKat has been really heavily optimised. People with the latest phones maybe don't see it as much, but I promise you, it's a huge leap when installed on my s1. JellyBean was starting to get laggy on my phone, whereas KitKat runs amazingly well, even when all the extras are switched on like the phone always listening for the 'OK Google' command..
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I suggest you buying s4 it's like after riding Aston Martin, u don't want to get back to vw golf
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If you want to keep all of those features. You need TW. No way around it.
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If you want to keep all of those features. You need TW. No way around it.
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What are "all of those" features please??
I hate TW, so I think I might just have to accept the fact I'm not gonna have those extra features unless they get baked into a custom ROM at some point. I'm assuming that multiwindow at least exists on custom ROMs..
It would be more painful to me to have to live with touchwiz than to accept to have to lose smart pause, but I'm not sure what other features apart from that do not exist in any custom ROM for it..
Can someone tell me exactly what other features I would lose if I flash a custom ROM on my brand new s4? Thanks!
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What are "all of those" features please??
I hate TW, so I think I might just have to accept the fact I'm not gonna have those extra features unless they get baked into a custom ROM at some point. I'm assuming that multiwindow at least exists on custom ROMs..
It would be more painful to me to have to live with touchwiz than to accept to have to lose smart pause, but I'm not sure what other features apart from that do not exist in any custom ROM for it..
Can someone tell me exactly what other features I would lose if I flash a custom ROM on my brand new s4? Thanks!
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This should help you http://www.digitaltrends.com/cell-phone-reviews/samsung-galaxy-s4-google-edition-review/
Anyways, to summarize. No Air View, S Beam, Smart Stay, motions/gestures/hands-free interaction, Group Play, S Voice, or power saving mode. There doesn’t appear to be a way to turn the high screen sensitivity on. The hardware hasn’t changed, so the extra sensors and display technology are still there, they just aren’t all accessible out of the box.
Camera, you get photosphere, but lose all great TW features such as slow mo, or eraser.
Dont get me wrong, but S4 is what it is because of its features, from my point of view getting a S4 GE is non-sense. I would get a nexus for that matter.
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Only one problem there. My s1 is running KitKat, I'd rather not buy a phone 3 generations newer and use an older operating system on it.
KitKat has been really heavily optimised. People with the latest phones maybe don't see it as much, but I promise you, it's a huge leap when installed on my s1. JellyBean was starting to get laggy on my phone, whereas KitKat runs amazingly well, even when all the extras are switched on like the phone always listening for the 'OK Google' command..
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Correct me if im wrong... but isn't the i9505G running kitkat as stock?
Yeah I'd imagine it is now, like Zoddex says though if I buy a new phone that has no new features then all I'm really gaining is a bigger screen, and processing power obviously. Whether the features that I would lose are actually features and not just gimmicks I'm yet to decide..
Why isn't there a nexus style ROM with all this built in lol
Thanks for taking the time to post everyone, I'll let you know what I end up doing, I'll likely be coming back home with one this afternoon I reckon, and then use it with TW for a week if I can before I start flashing ROMs...
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To use TW u need to buy the non G model.
Might be able to put a TW firmware on a G model.. but i don't really see the point
And i guess they come with knox bootloader pre-installed huh? Unless u find a retailer with a non updated 4.2.2 version instead of 4.3
While the G model is knox free so far.
It's probably running 4.2 but can be updated to 4.4. When I received my S4 ge in early October it had 4.2 on it but updated to 4.3 as soon as I wen through initial setup.
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Right now Note 3's been out for several months but the development sub-forum's still pretty dead as compared to S4, Note 2, and S3 (which have been out for a longer time). I'm thinking of buying a Note 3, but 3rd-party development is a pretty big factor for me. So I'm just wondering, in the future, will Note 3 development increase? Or will it plateau once the new line of S5 and Note 4 comes out?
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Right now Note 3's been out for several months but the development sub-forum's still pretty dead as compared to S4, Note 2, and S3 (which have been out for a longer time). I'm thinking of buying a Note 3, but 3rd-party development is a pretty big factor for me. So I'm just wondering, in the future, will Note 3 development increase? Or will it plateau once the new line of S5 and Note 4 comes out?
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what thread you looking at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/themes-apps
not that bad at all
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what thread you looking at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/themes-apps
not that bad at all
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It's not bad, compared to some of the more obscure phones in the market
But vs. the no. of threads in the development forum in say, S4 i9505, it pales in comparison, no doubt.
I'm just curious if the level of activity of developers for Note 3 will still increase even after the launch of new phones
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It's not bad, compared to some of the more obscure phones in the market
But vs. the no. of threads in the development forum in say, S4 i9505, it pales in comparison, no doubt.
I'm just curious if the level of activity of developers for Note 3 will still increase even after the launch of new phones
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yeah should do
Once a Kitkat kernal source is released etc compatibility with new boot loader and other factors. We will start seeing more and more development and mods. Since Kitkat has been released/leaked it has kinda halted development due to boot loader and kernel. Once devs get a good grip on it boom amazing things will happen
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Once a method to root, install revovery, custom rom, without tripping knox comes along, itll be crazy in here!
This is my first Samsung phone, having previously had various HTC and latterly the Nexus 5.
Given the fact that Note 3 is reported to have sold over 10 million units, I have also been surprised at an apparent deficit in custom roms and general customisation compared to for example HTC One.
I do hope this will improve in time
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Sources for KK were released today, including the Kernel Source.. SO should make things more interesting,
Quality over quantity surely.
With the Note 3 and probably future Samsung devices, Samsung is making them harder to mess with , hence comment a few posts back. Samsung with kitkat has introduced code to make fake s view covers stop working. It's a similar thing to made for Apple, Samsung is starting the same stuff.
Im quite happy with the development for the Note 3!
Got KK running nicely, option of CM, root is working. Lots of nice Xposed modules...
Its all looking nice.
That is for the N9005 though... Not sure about other variants...
Reminds me of a saying " Quantity doesn't represent Quality ! "
I'm quite happy with how things are coming along with the Note 3, I've come from a Note 2 and Galaxy S2 so Yeah i have been used to a mass supply of Roms on previous devices, But currently im testing out the new CM 11 builds ( nightlies) and X-note....Both are Fantastic roms!
My advice would simply be : Buy the Note 3 you wont regret it , You cant look at tech like it'll be supported forever.. just enjoy it whilst its here
Look at all the older devices that are still supported on XDA - Note 2 for example; its bigger brother is out and yet he's still getting some love
I am happy with current development of Note 3.
Lots doesn't means great.
Important is development quality.
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Once a Kitkat kernal source is released etc compatibility with new boot loader and other factors. We will start seeing more and more development and mods. Since Kitkat has been released/leaked it has kinda halted development due to boot loader and kernel. Once devs get a good grip on it boom amazing things will happen
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I see, so you mean that development has slowed down because devs want to wait for kitkat and develop for it?
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I see, so you mean that development has slowed down because devs want to wait for kitkat and develop for it?
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I'd say so, Yes.
The good news is Samsung has released there kernel source for Kitkat now it's only a matter of time till we start seeing custom kernels and custom roms with full customisation. Give it less then a week and we will see our first custom kernel for Kitkat then the ball will start rolling
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The good news is Samsung has released there kernel source for Kitkat now it's only a matter of time till we start seeing custom kernels and custom roms with full customisation. Give it less then a week and we will see our first custom kernel for Kitkat then the ball will start rolling
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Hmm... then how come there are KitKat ROMs for Note 3 (Cyanogenmod nightlies) even before Samsung released the source? From what other posters have replied I gather it's not possible to develop a ROM without access the the kernel?
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Hmm... then how come there are KitKat ROMs for Note 3 (Cyanogenmod nightlies) even before Samsung released the source? From what other posters have replied I gather it's not possible to develop a ROM without access the the kernel?
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Well hmmmm lol yes there are custom kit Kat roms and yes they are great but no custom kernels for kit Kat, for me I am excited about custom kernels more then custom roms. So with the kernel source release kit Kat can finally have custom kernels which is great for development
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Well hmmmm lol yes there are custom kit Kat roms and yes they are great but no custom kernels for kit Kat, for me I am excited about custom kernels more then custom roms. So with the kernel source release kit Kat can finally have custom kernels which is great for development
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Hmm I'm confused ><
I thought you need the kernel to have a ROM? If the KitKat kernel is not released, how do ppl develop KitKat ROMs? o.o
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Hmm I'm confused ><
I thought you need the kernel to have a ROM? If the KitKat kernel is not released, how do ppl develop KitKat ROMs? o.o
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Devs can still develop Kitkat roms but before the kernel source release only stock kernel was and could only be used. Now they can add custom kernels they build to the already built custom roms
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Devs can still develop Kitkat roms but before the kernel source release only stock kernel was and could only be used. Now they can add custom kernels they build to the already built custom roms
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But how do you use the stock kernel without knowing the source? Don't you need the code to be able to incorporate it in your ROM?
Sorry if my questions are silly but I'm not very well versed in the technical aspects of Android