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Ics Possibilities

With cm9 already with us, how close are we to say, custom Ics roms, like say, a clean Ics build or something. Or are we still missing some vital components for this to happen.
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Jbluna said:
With cm9 already with us, how close are we to say, custom Ics roms, like say, a clean Ics build or something. Or are we still missing some vital components for this to happen.
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Probably not any besides the one xboxfanj is making but there is a possibilty that we have devs working on a clean ics I know of one whom is working on his own version of cm9... but well see..... not too far away but much more difficult to port. I'm sure
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Jbluna said:
With cm9 already with us, how close are we to say, custom Ics roms, like say, a clean Ics build or something. Or are we still missing some vital components for this to happen.
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CM9 and MIUI v4 will be it basically. They are already pure AOSP ROMs. What is more custom than that? There are a multitude of kernels to try with them and themes are being built on a regular basis now. Not sure what you are looking for. The only custom ROMs the epic had are based on Touchwiz and we are not getting official ICS to base ROMs off of.

The problem with basing on ICS is that you need to edit the source code and cm9 is already optimized enough. If you havent noticed, cm9 is a custom rom and IMHO the best one. It doesn't have touchwiz or bloatware or ciq so it doesnt need to be optimized, fixed, or cleaned.
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I agree with other posts here. What more do we possibly need besides aosp cm9 and miui!? Lol. Its a treat that we're even seeing cm9 on our phone.
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I don't know this is just my 2 cents but maybe he's asking what custom ICS stuff we can look forward to as far as customization...like in CM7 u can move the status bar to the bottom...in MIUI u can mix and match themes...control the CRT animation and some other visual and peformance things...there are a lot of spaceholders with options that haven't been implemented as of yet too
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tony45x220 said:
I don't know this is just my 2 cents but maybe he's asking what custom ICS stuff we can look forward to as far as customization...like in CM7 u can move the status bar to the bottom...in MIUI u can mix and match themes...control the CRT animation and some other visual and peformance things...there are a lot of spaceholders with options that haven't been implemented as of yet too
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All that is not controlled by our devs that's upstream stuffs that haven't been merged
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I know of two devs that are working on there own roms that are based off of cm9... should be seeing them very soon...
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Biggoron said:
Probably not any besides the one xboxfanj is making but there is a possibilty that we have devs working on a clean ics I know of one whom is working on his own version of cm9... but well see..... not too far away but much more difficult to port. I'm sure
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I decided against that. Cm9 is everything that would have been and more

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I decided against that. Cm9 is everything that would have been and more
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Oh I'm sorry I was mis informed
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Once CM9 is out of its alpha stage and all the bugs and small tweaks are worked out and also once the devs get most of the upstream stuff i believe that we will see at best themes for CM9 but as it is now its in its "clean" state.
however i cant wait to start seeing themes come out for it i would love to learn how to theme CM9 i have some good ideas but still reading the how to's and working on my own CM7 theme lots of trial and error lol

It's not that I don't like cm9 or Don't already think ice cream sandwich is "perfect"( as is, far from it. This is the best experience I've pretty much had on my Epic. I just like seeing the variety and you guys' varied take on OS's as you've shown before. But yeah, it'll probably be a challenge cause of the almost perfect stableness.
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Jbluna said:
It's not that I don't like cm9 or Don't already think ice cream sandwich is "perfect"( as is, far from it. This is the best experience I've pretty much had on my Epic. I just like seeing the variety and you guys' varied take on OS's as you've shown before. But yeah, it'll probably be a challenge cause of the almost perfect stableness.
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Your variety experience will probably come once the theme engine is working and you can swap themes all you want.

Compare aokp to cm9

Does any one know the pro/cons of 1 over the other? I'm running cm9 but considering trying aokp but want to hear other ppls opinions first
Thanks
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I believe there was already a thread like this.. will try to find it for you.
Found it. Not exactly what your asking but you could find your answers in it instead of waiting for them to build up over here. The only thing about it is its kinda outdated there's been several updates for both these ROMs since this thread has been made. Anyway, hope it helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1573860
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Aokp is better in terms of customization and battery life
CM9 does not have unicorns
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marcusant said:
Aokp is better in terms of customization and battery life
CM9 does not have unicorns
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Lol. Those unicorns are something special.
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This is sort of a rhetorical question, as everyone has different things they like and use with each rom.. just as there is not one universal "best phone" there is no "best rom" either.. that's the beauty of having an awesome community like this.. its very easy to try something (in this case aokp) for a few days and see if u like it.. if not.. nandroid back to cm9
I just think u are going to get a lot of opinions that don't really mean much in terms of if its the right rom for u
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You can flash AOKP and CM9 back and forth without wiping your data (YMMV, at least I've never had a problem switching back and forth a dozen times or so). So keep both on your SD card and whenever you want to try the other just wipe your cache and dalvik and flash the other one. You'll be up and running in less than 5 minutes with all of your data intact.
The big difference is some customization stuff, lockscreens and notification drawer stuff. I like AOKP partially because I like having the lockscreen before my (work mandated) PIN since I got to within 1 accidental button click of wiping my phone while it was in my pocket having random incorrect pins being entered in.
Now that both are on 4.0.4 I dont notice a battery difference between them.

Restola said:
You can flash AOKP and CM9 back and forth without wiping your data (YMMV, at least I've never had a problem switching back and forth a dozen times or so). So keep both on your SD card and whenever you want to try the other just wipe your cache and dalvik and flash the other one. You'll be up and running in less than 5 minutes with all of your data intact.
The big difference is some customization stuff, lockscreens and notification drawer stuff. I like AOKP partially because I like having the lockscreen before my (work mandated) PIN since I got to within 1 accidental button click of wiping my phone while it was in my pocket having random incorrect pins being entered in.
Now that both are on 4.0.4 I dont notice a battery difference between them.
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Exactly this. Battery's about the same, and it's very easy to switch between them (although make sure you're using a 3rd party launcher. AOKP will get rid of Trebuchet. I prefer Apex.)
AOKP has much more customization and updates in my opinion, however CM9 has more potential and awesome features AOKP won't have. Right now AOKP is better though.

marcusant said:
Aokp is better in terms of customization and battery life
CM9 does not have unicorns
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AOKP has unicorns? WAT?

Unicorns with android pixie dust
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Unicorns with android pixie dust
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And frankly, being a trucker, that ended up getting disabled pretty quickly (even if I did get called a jerk for it LOL).
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xtrezpasor said:
Does any one know the pro/cons of 1 over the other? I'm running cm9 but considering trying aokp but want to hear other ppls opinions first
Thanks
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If no one has mentioned it already (and I didn't see it) the FB contact intigration works on AOKP. The only nice thing about CM9 over AOKP is the 4G toggle in the status bar. IMO.
Otherwise the rumors are true -AOKP is generally better.
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CM9 is really just stock AOSP with a couple tweaks. AOKP has more tweaks and is much better on battery. I recommend AOKP to anyone wanting AOSP
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Why are you replying to a 3 month old thread?
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I actually don't know. to be honest I saw it and posted without looking to see the c thread date
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I want to learn to port or make a ROM

So I want to try and learn how ROMs work. Or maybe that's a little bit too much to start with, maybe mods and hacks and stuff. Is there any tutorials on how to start anything that has to do with development that someone has actually used and learned from and worked with him that you can point me out to? Or at least can someone tell me where I should start to be able to learn all that I need to know?
I've done some theming and editing .xml files and decompliling and stuff so its not that I don't know anything, just don't know enough.
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lilajrestnom said:
So I want to try and learn how ROMs work. Or maybe that's a little bit too much to start with, maybe mods and hacks and stuff. Is there any tutorials on how to start anything that has to do with development that someone has actually used and learned from and worked with him that you can point me out to? Or at least can someone tell me where I should start to be able to learn all that I need to know?
I've done some theming and editing .xml files and decompliling and stuff so its not that I don't know anything, just don't know enough.
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There's tutorials all over these sub forums for the Samsung Epic 4g
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XxLostSoulxX said:
There's tutorials all over these sub forums for the Samsung Epic 4g
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I understand that, but I was hoping someone could point me to one that they actually did learn from because I tried reading 2 different ones and got confused.
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lilajrestnom said:
I understand that, but I was hoping someone could point me to one that they actually did learn from because I tried reading 2 different ones and got confused.
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I can teach you. What do you want to port? Blur? Touchwiz four? Xperia UI? Something less challenging?
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Yes young padawan. You have much to learn in the ways of the force.

No disrespect to the OP or anyone else, but if you have to ask how then you aren't ready.
Do some research: take apart zips, find out how things work. Learn about Android as a whole (helps to also learn how 'nix) works also, Android is of course based largely on it), and most importantly trial and error.
The force is strong in this one, I can feel it. But he must complete the trials in order to fully understand the true nature of the force.
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He must face his fears in the cave of 7zip.
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Also, I can teach you to build from source too. I'd love to be a source based rom guy, but unfortunately, I feel that most open source roms are the same (Gummy, AOKP, CNA, and CM9 look and feel identical to me) so I don't waste my time.
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xboxfanj said:
Also, I can teach you to build from source too. I'd love to be a source based rom guy, but unfortunately, I feel that most open source roms are the same (Gummy, AOKP, CNA, and CM9 look and feel identical to me) so I don't waste my time.
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Can you teach me
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masaidjet said:
Can you teach me
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You want to know from source right?
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I plan on making my own aosp ROM. Going to merge all my favorite mods that roms have. The audio makeup of CM9, customization of aokp and so on ans so forth. I've already said too much.
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Well maybe I should be searching and doing things on my own but that's what I did when I started to theme a little bit and it worked out well. But I started by seeing one of travis' tutorials and with the help of shane with a lot of things.
So basically I need some help that's all.
And I too see that CM7/9, AOKP and all those are the same. Especially the 2 versions of MIUI. So I would like to start my own thing kind of like sence and blur. Sence would be something I would be interested in doing since I loved my htc phones before this one, but since its already started I will try and work on something else.
Ill pm you xboxfanj and we'll see how I can start working on it. And thanks for your offer =).
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ÜBER™ said:
I plan on making my own aosp ROM. Going to merge all my favorite mods that roms have. The audio makeup of CM9, customization of aokp and so on ans so forth. I've already said too much.
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I've done it before. It is hard to keep updated.
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lilajrestnom said:
Well maybe I should be searching and doing things on my own but that's what I did when I started to theme a little bit and it worked out well. But I started by seeing one of travis' tutorials and with the help of shane with a lot of things.
So basically I need some help that's all.
And I too see that CM7/9, AOKP and all those are the same. Especially the 2 versions of MIUI. So I would like to start my own thing kind of like sence and blur. Sence would be something I would be interested in doing since I loved my htc phones before this one, but since its already started I will try and work on something else.
Ill pm you xboxfanj and we'll see how I can start working on it. And thanks for your offer =).
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AOKP/CNA/Gummy is kinda like Sbrissen mod for touchwiz gingerbread roms on steroids. Like xbox said, the AOSP thing has been done to death on ICS. All we're getting at this point is some pointless fragmentation between the roms.
UBER/Biggorn/Big Goron or whatever name your using these days , I wish you luck with that endeavor. I tried to do my own for a couple months and realized that I was updating it every other day thanks to what was getting merged in on the other roms. Too much of a PITA for me so I went back to theming.

marcusant said:
I've done it before. It is hard to keep updated.
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I got the time .
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marcusant said:
I've done it before. It is hard to keep updated.
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Marcus, how about ACS ICS and MarcusantRom? Those were TW; were they hard to keep up to date?

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Marcus, how about ACS ICS and MarcusantRom? Those were TW; were they hard to keep up to date?
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TW is very easy to keep up to date since we only got a few GB updates. Those other ROMs get updates and merges every few days.
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You want to know from source right?
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Yea
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I wanna learn too. Become a real developer. See if I gots any skillz.
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I wanna learn too. Become a real developer. See if I gots any skillz.
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Haven't you made a rom for the Epic?
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[Q] Cyanongenmod for Continuum?

So the Continuum has no Cyanogenmod what so ever. And the Samsung Admire already has a CM7 like theme and it makes it look and run amazing. it's a newer phone and already has it. Think there is a chance of creating a CM7 for Continuum? Will using The Fascinate CM on Continuum work? How long does it take to create a CM?
Just noticed I messed up the name when asking the question. >.< My apologies.

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So the Continuum has no Cyanogenmod what so ever. And the Samsung Admire already has a CM7 like theme and it makes it look and run amazing. it's a newer phone and already has it. Think there is a chance of creating a CM7 for Continuum? Will using The Fascinate CM on Continuum work? How long does it take to create a CM?
Just noticed I messed up the name when asking the question. >.< My apologies.
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It can be done I believe, we've talking about getting cm6 and ICS is definitely a possibility.
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killjoy1179 said:
It can be done I believe, we've talking about getting cm6 and ICS is definitely a possibility.
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Hmm that's interesting. Has the making started or is it just planned for now?

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Hmm that's interesting. Has the making started or is it just planned for now?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1670342
Check that out.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1670342
Check that out.
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I don't mean to be a killjoy but the probability of seeing ICS or CM on the Continuum is virtually zero.

samuelhadams said:
I don't mean to be a killjoy but the probability of seeing ICS or CM on the Continuum is virtually zero.
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I think that's entirely false. You guys have the hardware power to run ics easy! And if I could get ics on my locked down d2 you guys can get it on your unlocked continuum.
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samuelhadams said:
I don't mean to be a killjoy but the probability of seeing ICS or CM on the Continuum is virtually zero.
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Lol! Like the use of my screen name ...but I think we can do it...I know how to port a cm rom to our device but I don't know if we would have to edit our kernal to run it...if we don't have to then I could put out a version of cm tonight
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killjoy1179 said:
Lol! Like the use of my screen name ...but I think we can do it...I know how to port a cm rom to our device but I don't know if we would have to edit our kernal to run it...if we don't have to then I could put out a version of cm tonight
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Best to give it a shot and try to port a cm rom then to stay and wonder for an answer..

samuelhadams said:
I don't mean to be a killjoy but the probability of seeing ICS or CM on the Continuum is virtually zero.
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XD loser. You've underestimated the power of the Continuum.

killjoy1179 said:
Lol! Like the use of my screen name ...but I think we can do it...I know how to port a cm rom to our device but I don't know if we would have to edit our kernal to run it...if we don't have to then I could put out a version of cm tonight
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Any rom port you would have to intergrate the ticker screen into it somehow or mod kernel with out it. Id love to see your port tonight. My continuum service is off so ill beta. I couldn't get my aosp kernel and rom to boot, I'm having same probs with my new phone. Locked bootloader I believe but there is no real forum for the phone. Plus its gb and edify scripts ill have to learn.
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Any rom port you would have to intergrate the ticker screen into it somehow or mod kernel with out it. Id love to see your port tonight. My continuum service is off so ill beta. I couldn't get my aosp kernel and rom to boot, I'm having same probs with my new phone. Locked bootloader I believe but there is no real forum for the phone. Plus its gb and edify scripts ill have to learn.
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See that's the problem... editing the kernal...I only know how to do it with a boot.img file..so no port tonight lol
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See that's the problem... editing the kernal...I only know how to do it with a boot.img file..so no port tonight lol
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What do you need for the kernel? I got it all. Initramfs is in zImage also. Got that too. So let me know
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Hey Ciscoo!!
Like Cisco said, it isn't a matter of If or When, but rather it's How.
Our phone has one screen from the top to the bottom of the ticker. There lies the issues. There are no dedicated "Hard Keys", only soft keys located between the main screen and the ticker. The coding needed to not only insert the softkeys(it is already in other ICS builds), but to also position the keys correctly on the screen is very tough. Whether this is located within the kernel or in the framework, i am unsure of as well. To prevent going into to much detain, At one point in time i had the CM7 source downloaded and ready to start compiling and messing around, however the more research i did the more i realized i didn't have nearly enough experience, and eventually i put that project to the side.
Likewise, I now have a DroidX running CM9 and my continuum running debellare is so much faster and more stable that the X. My recommendation? Install one of the stripped down roms we have created, install one of CISCOES themes, and then if you want further mods, install a new launcher.
If you want more, open up the framework-res.apk and twframework-res.apk; Get a smali decompiler and start looking inside.
Just compiling is much harder than you think.
If i remember correctly someone had moderate luck porting a Fascinate build over and running it. It ran, but didn't "work".

Porting tool

I found this and thought it looked interesting. I wont have time to check it out properly until later this week but if someone else would, please let us know how it turns out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2054724

I'll see if it works on one of the ROMs I could not get to work, otherwise I would rather do the work manually it's harder to do fixes if you don't know what went in.

Seems interesting. Thanks for the heads up

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I'll see if it works on one of the ROMs I could not get to work, otherwise I would rather do the work manually it's harder to do fixes if you don't know what went in.
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If you look at the .sh in it that will tell you what's ported and what's not. It looked like a little more than a basic aosp port but I just viewed from my phone
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If you look at the .sh in it that will tell you what's ported and what's not. It looked like a little more than a basic aosp port but I just viewed from my phone
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I downloaded it, got busy and forgot about it... I'm hoping it works on JB.

If this tool does indeed work it will be a great time saver.
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blmvxer said:
If this tool does indeed work it will be a great time saver.
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Its running now and has been for a few minutes, I've seen a lot can't stat can't move output lines in command prompt though. But I could just be using it wrong as there aren't many instructions at all.
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Well my install fails status 7 and I'm using speedy META-inf so I dunno
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It was worth a try.
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After reading through it, it will most likely not work at all for our device without modification. Our device doesn't play well with libandroid_runtime's from other devices most of the time.
And honestly, porting is hardly ever as easy as just copying and pasting. UNLESS you are working with 2 ROMs that are actually the same version. Like using a sense2.1 base to port a themed sense 2.1 rom, or a cm7 base to port a cm7 rom with a few tweaks.

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After reading through it, it will most likely not work at all for our device without modification. Our device doesn't play well with libandroid_runtime's from other devices most of the time.
And honestly, porting is hardly ever as easy as just copying and pasting. UNLESS you are working with 2 ROMs that are actually the same version. Like using a sense2.1 base to port a themed sense 2.1 rom, or a cm7 base to port a cm7 rom with a few tweaks.
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I found that out the hard way.. Even if they are the same version you still usually have to fix a couple bugs and other various things, depending on the device you ported from.