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What the Source Does and Doesn't Do

Doesn't
-Help with froyo roms
-Fix eh17 problems without further work
-Support ext 4 yet
Does
-allow fixes to be made by the developers
-helps the AOSP developers fix issues
-allow overclock without tregrak
-allow voodoo sound without the payed app
-allow other tweaks like the keyboard skip fix
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So it won't help stop the random reboots even though it appears to be a voltage/deep sleep transition issue?
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marcusant said:
Doesn't
-Help with froyo roms
-Fix eh17 problems without further work
-Support ext 4 yet
Does
-allow fixes to be made by the developers
-helps the AOSP developers fix issues
-allow overclock without tregrak
-allow voodoo sound without the payed app
-allow other tweaks like the keyboard skip fix
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Glad you posted this. Maybe will help clean up the other thread

ugothakd said:
Glad you posted this. Maybe will help clean up the other thread
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People don't read these answers in that other thread, so they're certainly not likely to visit this thread first - don't get your hopes up
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kennyglass123 said:
So it won't help stop the random reboots even though it appears to be a voltage/deep sleep transition issue?
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I would think it could give the devs the ability to fix it
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kennyglass123 said:
So it won't help stop the random reboots even though it appears to be a voltage/deep sleep transition issue?
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I would think it could give the devs the ability to fix it
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Yeah, I think so too. The kernel will allow all those things to be fixed, but some things will take longer to develop than others. Like even though the kernel doesn't automatically fix EH17 bugs or turn into EXT4, I'm positive you'll see kernels that fix EH17 bugs as well as EXT4 converted.

My question? Does this mean wimax in cm7 or is that still samsungs private code?
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And it won't fix the GPS crapshoot issues on EH17 I take it....this is why we need the official ish...
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usagi111 said:
And it won't fix the GPS crapshoot issues on EH17 I take it....this is why we need the official ish...
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GPS is amazing on CM7. And this is the "official" source for the Epic from Samsung.

Does this give us the ability to get tv-out working?

Define "Amazing", Plus CM7 doesn't has TW and has audio issues... I'm not trading one hiccup for another...
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usagi111 said:
Define "Amazing", Plus CM7 doesn't has TW and has audio issues... I'm not trading one hiccup for another...
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Then don't.

If someone could please clarify the following questions:
1) What exactly does the Epic 4g need that it does not have to run the latest cyanogenmod with full functionality?
2) I assume this source code release does not directly help in implementing cm7. Is that correct?
3) What are the prospects of the Epic 4g being a fully supported cm7 phone sometime in 2012?
Thanks

garyf said:
If someone could please clarify the following questions:
1) What exactly does the Epic 4g need that it does not have to run the latest cyanogenmod with full functionality?
2) I assume this source code release does not directly help in implementing cm7. Is that correct?
3) What are the prospects of the Epic 4g being a fully supported cm7 phone sometime in 2012?
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Okey doke, I've got you.
1) Well for the longest while we've needed an AOSP kernel based on our kernel which we didn't have source to. A GB kernel with source which of course we had gotten due to Mkasick, Rodderik, Jt countless others. As well as a close to official build of CM7(7.1) which is also greatly made possible due to Decad3nce and Jt, and countless others. We're closer because they were coding in the dark kernel wise before now. And Samsung released their official build as well. (Damn you Samsung)
2) It does help, because they now have a basis to work off of to try to get an AOSP kernel which may take time, but we've some of the most talented Rom developers and kernel developers working together to do this.
3) It could happen befoe 2012, there isn't an eta we can give for something such as this when the catalyst we've needed for months has finally been given to us.
I hope I was of some help. If any more questions ask me I'll gladly answer.
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Wait, wait, wait, we never covered the essential question:
Can the source enable my phone to make coffee?

It does: have a cute name called source
It does: have the ability to be downloaded, its available right now.
It does: happen to be something everyone's always asked for.
It does not: help you walk your dog.
It does not: improve your Call of Duty skills
It does not: like the fact that I'm making jokes about it.
K'done .
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I see I don't understand the basics of what's going on here.
We've had Froyo source for months, but that was not AOSP?
Or have Samsung/Sprint released something with Gingerbread that they did not release with the Froyo source?
Am I understanding correctly that there are now no remaining structural obstacles and implementing CM is just a matter of development time?
Another question: What is the advantage of cyanogenmod over the stock and custom roms already available for the Epic 4g, meaning what will be better once CM7 is running?

garyf said:
I see I don't understand the basics of what's going on here.
We've had Froyo source for months, but that was not AOSP?
Or have Samsung/Sprint released something with Gingerbread that they did not release with the Froyo source?
Am I understanding correctly that there are now no remaining structural obstacles and implementing CM is just a matter of development time?
Another question: What is the advantage of cyanogenmod over the stock and custom roms already available for the Epic 4g, meaning what will be better once CM7 is running?
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Okay, Ill try to help.
Froyo was AOSP
No, Froyo source came out late with GB was "right around the corner". So development stopped waiting for GB source.
Yes
CM7 = profit.

usagi111 said:
Define "Amazing", Plus CM7 doesn't has TW and has audio issues... I'm not trading one hiccup for another...
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Amazing- (adj.)to amaze.
CM7 will not have TW since uh duh it would ruin the whole "AOSP" aspect, and it is an alpha build, its not going to be perfect, yet.
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ac16313 said:
Amazing- (adj.)to amaze.
CM7 will not have TW since uh duh it would ruin the whole "AOSP" aspect, and it is an alpha build, its not going to be perfect, yet.
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Riiiiiiight....and for someone to say CM7's GPS is amazing and then I load it and get 3 satellites out of 9 to lock means his definition of amazing is WAY THE HELL OFF!!!
If people are going to endorse a ROM at least be truthful to it's claims....</SNARK>

Any Dev interested in bringing AOKP to epicmtd?

A dev from the AOKP project said that if someone was willing/able to be a device maintainer for epicmtd, he would be willing to begin a build for it.
http://forum.aokp.co/topic/31-new-devices/

You should hit up the CMteam in Irc to see if they're interested
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AOKP.. Hm I wonder what features they strive to have or have that we don't already have..
It isn't AOKP per-say but CM9 is based on AOSP, and is in definition, "kanged" before it's a Release Candidate.. You could say we already have AOKP via our CM team. still interested on what advantages there'd be in having that in our Epic.
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Shinydude100 said:
AOKP.. Hm I wonder what features they strive to have or have that we don't already have..
It isn't AOKP per-say but CM9 is based on AOSP, and is in definition, "kanged" before it's a Release Candidate.. You could say we already have AOKP via our CM team. still interested on what advantages there'd be in having that in our Epic.
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There's a few things they have that our release doest have yet... they have a build of ics for the evo that is pretty nice they have the system tweaks already... idk not much I say though.
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masaidjet said:
You should hit up the CMteam in Irc to see if they're interested
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Dude every time i see your avatar i hear "that **** cray"
In my head

iSaint said:
Dude every time i see your avatar i hear "that **** cray"
In my head
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Lmao boy you crwazy
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I see no harm in this. Kinda like adding in a whole new addition to the "getting a fully polished ics" team. I know we have cm9, but this couldn't hurt.
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What is different really? I've run both aokp and cm9 on my tab 10.1 and both are about the same, but cm9 is much more stable

xboxfanj said:
What is different really? I've run both aokp and cm9 on my tab 10.1 and both are about the same, but cm9 is much more stable
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I've run aokp on my nexus and I really liked it. It has many features that have not made it into the cm9 builds yet like the Octolock mod as well as different battery mods built in. Paired with the right kernel it has great potential.
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Why no AOSP roms yet?

We have the kernel source and aosp source for ICS (not JB)(obviously) so why hasn't anyone made an aosp Rom? It seems even other devices get AOSP roms a lot faster. Is there a problem with porting AOSP to the S3 phones in general (US VERSIONS) or does no dev really care for AOSP and is happy with TouchWiz? I don't know, and I'm just curious. Just to be clear, I'm not asking any devs to get on it or work on it or rush it, just pure curiosity. Thanks. Hoping some devs could reply to clear some things up.
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Can you wait ? Sheesh
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I don't even have my phone yet... *it is shipping as we speak*

If you have been reading. The devs are having to unravel a disgusting amount of code because the touch wiz is integrated with everything. We are running a %0 true android experience. It's going to take time. With all due respect if you can't wait do it yourself. Good luck.
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Give it time, the phone's barely out

Exactly. As much as I don't want to wait any linger and take my g nex back from my wife I think I'll stick it out. This phone is pretty damn sweet
Give it some time. As stated before the phone is barely even released.
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MacTheRipperr said:
If you have been reading. The devs are having to unravel a disgusting amount of code because the touch wiz is integrated with everything. We are running a %0 true android experience. It's going to take time. With all due respect if you can't wait do it yourself. Good luck.
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Yeah I get that it's running touchwiz which is like you said basically a 0% true android experience but wouldn't you just be able to delete the touchwiz all together and flash a new Rom. I'm not exactly sure what the problems are that are stopping devs from just installing a Rom onto it after removing touchwiz. I can wait I was just asking out of curiosity lol.
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You can't do that without achieving AOSP. ICS AOSP is helpful, but everyone wants JB.
The JB AOSP source code isn't out and when it is, the closed-source RIL is the biggest obstacle to making it work.

Serious_Beans said:
We have the kernel source and aosp source(obviously) so why hasn't anyone made an aosp Rom? Are there no dedicated enough devs? Does no one care? I've been thinking to compile an aosp Rom but I wouldn't know where to go from there
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You can't have AOSP ROMS without the AndroidOpenSource for 4.1, which isn't out for 2 more weeks. And for 4.0, the devs still need time.

someone else mentioned that a lot of the devs might have held out for the 32gb models which were hard to come by opening week. the 16gb versions came out first. anyway, there are a lot of great devs on board, and not just historically samsung devs. htc devs like myn will be pumping out roms soon enough.
i won't lie though... some jellybean love would be beautiful.

mercado79 said:
someone else mentioned that a lot of the devs might have held out for the 32gb models which were hard to come by opening week. the 16gb versions came out first. anyway, there are a lot of great devs on board, and not just historically samsung devs. htc devs like myn will be pumping out roms soon enough.
i won't lie though... some jellybean love would be beautiful.
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Yeah, I hope by the time the SGS4 rolls around in a year that 32GB will be the new low-end, with 64GB the step up. I really hope we don't stagnate here -- or worse: go backwards -- just because of this cloud crap.

My guess would be that most of the devs have the international version. They have had AOSP roms for weeks. Not to mention cm9, aokp, and about to get miui4

My guess would be that the phone is just getting released in the US and maybe the devs are waiting for 4.1 source so we can have a Jelly Bean AOSP rom instead of spending so much time to create an ICS AOSP. That doesn't make much sense to me, why waste time on ICS when JB is coming out in couple of weeks.

Can't most efforts on ICS apply to JB, or do things like project butter really change up the porting?

I imagine Google Play on stock/root or CM9 would be a lower-hanging fruit.

jblazea50 said:
My guess would be that the phone is just getting released in the US and maybe the devs are waiting for 4.1 source so we can have a Jelly Bean AOSP rom instead of spending so much time to create an ICS AOSP. That doesn't make much sense to me, why waste time on ICS when JB is coming out in couple of weeks.
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Yeah that is probably it. But wouldn't starting now with ics help with jb?
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I thought jelly bean was flashable over ics
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Serious_Beans said:
Yeah I get that it's running touchwiz which is like you said basically a 0% true android experience but wouldn't you just be able to delete the touchwiz all together and flash a new Rom. I'm not exactly sure what the problems are that are stopping devs from just installing a Rom onto it after removing touchwiz. I can wait I was just asking out of curiosity lol.
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Try and just take it explorer on Windows and see how far you get. It's not as simple as just deleting touchwiz.
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There isn't AOSP because of posts like this. You probably delayed it a day or two.
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Zacisblack said:
There isn't AOSP because of posts like this. You probably delayed it a day or two.
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Now now, this isn't Half Life. But seriously, I don't mind waiting for AOSP because TouchWiz has a lot of cool software features and I can always flash an ICS theme.
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Android 4.1 Jellybean in AOSP

Google developer Jean-Baptiste Queru, also known as JBQ, has announced on Google Groups that they are now releasing the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean source code to Android Open Source Project (AOSP).
Jean-Baptiste Queru said:
We're releasing Android 4.1 in AOSP today.
The name of the tagged release is android-4.1.1_r1.
The name of the development branch is jb-dev.
We recommend that you create new clients, even if you're working in
the master branch. It'll make your clients smaller and faster to sync.
Proprietary binaries are available for Nexus 7 and Galaxy Nexus. Nexus
S and Xoom will follow.
JBQ, on behalf of the entire Android team at Google.
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Source

Nice. I mean, that's all I have to add.. affirmative of my admiration
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i think in a few days joker's jelly bean port will be done -.-

soudy1994 said:
i think in a few days joker's jelly bean port will be done -.-
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I hope too.
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I think it's safe to say that Jelly Bean is about the first android update I haven't been overly excited and anxious to receive. That might also be because we don't even have the official one under it yet

Would be crazy excited about this though i know the atrix community is not what it was. We will get this update it will just take time
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I remember when jellybean was just rumors, something about native lapdock /HDMI support...
Just wondering if anything came of this?

No.
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soudy1994 said:
i think in a few days joker's jelly bean port will be done -.-
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But the port is effectively a streamlined skin because we don't even have ICS yet, and that's because of NVidia/Motorola. Until all the required libs, etc., are released all anyone has is a themed GB!
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GB Themed ? Are you kidding ? Jokersax's ICS is the ****. It's just not fully functionnal.
Poor jokersax...now he's just a themer !

CaelanT said:
But the port is effectively a streamlined skin because we don't even have ICS yet, and that's because of NVidia/Motorola. Until all the required libs, etc., are released all anyone has is a themed GB!
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No. We already have ICS and will have JB, just very crippled.

DannyBiker said:
GB Themed ? Are you kidding ? Jokersax's ICS is the ****. It's just not fully functionnal.
Poor jokersax...now he's just a themer !
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No, I am serious......without NVidia playing ball we have no true ICS. You said it yourself.....not fully functional! We have pseudo ICS with features that don't work properly, and sub optimal OS. This isn't a slam against any dev. Just stating what I believe is fact. We had the kernels, etc., before any ICS porting started. We lack what the devs require for a true ICS OS.
So you can say its ICS but its crippled. That's why I say like a themed GB.
<edit> Simply put, we have a BMW with a Ford engine!
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-> Implying that a BMW engine is better than Ford.
Anyway I get what you meant, but it's not fair to say that it's a themed GB, especially not fair to the devs that have worked so hard to get a working version. The only things that aren't working (at least for me) are HW Libs, Camera is a little jerky, and Browser rotation on most browsers. I think that's pretty good and can only get better once we get a finished kernel.

CaelanT said:
No, I am serious......without NVidia playing ball we have no true ICS. You said it yourself.....not fully functional! We have pseudo ICS with features that don't work properly, and sub optimal OS. This isn't a slam against any dev. Just stating what I believe is fact. We had the kernels, etc., before any ICS porting started. We lack what the devs require for a true ICS OS.
So you can say its ICS but its crippled. That's why I say like a themed GB.
<edit> Simply put, we have a BMW with a Ford engine!
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Ford FE 427 cross bolt main with high riser intake is the, the most awesome factory built engine this planet has ever seen.
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CaelanT said:
But the port is effectively a streamlined skin because we don't even have ICS yet, and that's because of NVidia/Motorola. Until all the required libs, etc., are released all anyone has is a themed GB!
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Ummmm what? Themed Gingerbread? Go look in About Phone and you'll see you're wrong. Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
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Now now, don't be harsh...

captaincanada84 said:
Ummmm what? Themed Gingerbread? Go look in About Phone and you'll see you're wrong. Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
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A small off topic, do you know that you can change version number in build.prop to whatever you want and then see it in About Phone?

I would think the devs would want to wait for proper ics kernel before starting jellybean, but you never know
My Phone

CaelanT said:
But the port is effectively a streamlined skin because we don't even have ICS yet, and that's because of NVidia/Motorola. Until all the required libs, etc., are released all anyone has is a themed GB!
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same as ics theme, are you sure?

madmax59 said:
same as ics theme, are you sure?
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GB is not that bugged
And by saying this, I'm not criticizing the hard work of the developers that are trying to port ics to our beloved device... it's just normal without proper libs/drivers/whatever

Baked Black Beans?!?

Hey has any devs considered getting baked black beans ported over for the epic. On my nexus s 4g I had it and Its my favorite over cm and aokp although they rock too. Just thought it would be an awesome fit and not to hard to port over. Maybe I can study up and figure out how by myself since I am already using the ns4g modem
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zacnking said:
Hey has any devs considered getting baked black beans ported over for the epic. On my nexus s 4g I had it and Its my favorite over cm and aokp although they rock too. Just thought it would be an awesome fit and not to hard to port over. Maybe I can study up and figure out how by myself since I am already using the ns4g modem
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You can do it yourself, just use the ns4g one as a base and "debug" until it's functional. The hardware is almost the same so it shouldn't be really hard at all

chunks are in use in the most current ck10 at this time.

zacnking said:
Hey has any devs considered getting baked black beans ported over for the epic. On my nexus s 4g I had it and Its my favorite over cm and aokp although they rock too. Just thought it would be an awesome fit and not to hard to port over. Maybe I can study up and figure out how by myself since I am already using the ns4g modem
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if its based off of cm10 use cm10 as a base and take framework, app, libandroid_runtime.so, libandroid_servers.som libmedia_jni.so and media from the baked beans and (overwrite)merge them into a cm10 zip. dont release it though unless you do modifications such as fixes or such. and be sure to credit the respected devs.

You may also want to PM Xboxfanj for advice. He is a master of all things AOSP port...
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You may also want to PM Xboxfanj for advice. He is a master of all things AOSP port...
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above is pretty much from him, we've helped each other for the past 2ish 3 months on sense 2 and 4, but he says porting aosp things are all the same, not much difference. and he is very helpful!

Yeah I tried porting using a guide on youtube but it was based off of cm9 so that may be why I keep getting a boot loop. When I get home and am by a computer I will give it a shot. I was also considering crossbones and remjb
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Effsi said:
chunks are in use in the most current ck10 at this time.
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Is it cool if I use you 28 oct build as a base? Just don't want to step on anyones toes
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zacnking said:
Is it cool if I use you 28 oct build as a base? Just don't want to step on anyones toes
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it bootlooped because you didnt have the libs i stated a few posts above., now remember, it isnt for the faint hearted! it can be tedious.

go for it. there's an 1103 out now too but these latest builds have been giving me some hard times with google maps. I don't remember ever having the problem in the builds before the 28th. I do have it working with some clearing data, uninstalling, rebooting, permissions, blah blah toggle toggle witchcraft stuff and after wards it seems to work just fine with out any issue after. I honestly have no idea how or why it came up but I do see some other people mentioning gps stuff so hopefully it wasn't anything I did as I haven't changed my process in any way that can have that as a side effect. then again I haven't been doing clean installs like I used to always do, maybe it's that?
I didn't do a full port of that rom as I still don't see anything that special in it apart from aokp, slimbean, cm10, and all the other aosp like roms. besides the inverted apps the main appeal to baked looked like it's settings section and maybe the altered status bar which messes up some themes if I'm not mistaken. It'd be cool to see a xperia port over from the ns4g, or remjb/touchbean, or miui jb over another near cm stock experience.
I use cm10 as my base, then do my slimming, then do my merging, then my tweak adding (your fonts wont be stock if you use my base). If you're trying to pinpoint bugs in your learning process it'll be better to use the cm10 stock base over mine. I have logging disabled too so if you do want to try with my base enable it so you can pull some logcats.

Isn't Black Bean based off of AOKP 4.1.1?
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zacnking said:
Yeah I tried porting using a guide on youtube but it was based off of cm9 so that may be why I keep getting a boot loop. When I get home and am by a computer I will give it a shot. I was also considering crossbones and remjb
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Use the guide above from andy_nu then logcat. or if its from the nexus s 4g, its easier. If its from the nexus s 4g, copy meta-inf from cm10 as well as everything outside system. Then, copy vendor, lib/hw, firmware, cameradata, and etc/wifi from cm10. Then, copy etc/vold.fstab and vold.conf and bin/vold from cm10. Then edit the build.prop in the cm10 ns4g modem zip to have the same version info as the black bean rom and copy it over. Then, copy lib, bin, etc, and vendor (and everything besides app in /system of the ns4g modem zip. Also, add the boot.img of the ns4g cm10 modem zip.
Make sure you flash the ns4g modem if you don't already have it. its a bit easier to port roms using ns4g modems rather than epic modems because epic modems require framework hacks, and apktool can be frustrating.
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Guide Request
Could you make a small thread on porting from the nexus s 4g to the epic 4g

Unjustified Noob said:
Could you make a small thread on porting from the nexus s 4g to the epic 4g
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Agree!!
Bthorne79 was successfully ported backed beans, thanks to him
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