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hoping for a Gingerbread-powered G2 as Google Nexus Two by HTC

pretty sure sammy is not favourite of most of us...
especially with all those odin this and that download mode etc...
wouldn't it be nice to have G2 to become Nexus Two for both ATT and TMO?

Htc needs to make a true nexus sequel not some nexus knockoff by samsung that looks like a shiney turd

Odin and download mode make the Galaxy S phones unbrickable. Why wouldn't you want that?

Segnaro said:
Odin and download mode make the Galaxy S phones unbrickable. Why wouldn't you want that?
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too much hassle... been too spoiled with custom recovery for HTC phones!
only thing that can truly brick a HTC phone is when you flash radio anyway
EDIT: when you touch bootloader/ hboot too...

chris6278 said:
Htc needs to make a true nexus sequel not some nexus knockoff by samsung that looks like a shiney turd
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absolutely

Bummer...where is HTC when we need them for a N2.

I am not really happy with speakerphone with HTC products (I have/had TP2, HD2, and nexus one) and the 3G reception is kinda weak.

mingkee said:
I am not really happy with speakerphone with HTC products (I have/had TP2, HD2, and nexus one) and the 3G reception is kinda weak.
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You didn't like the speakerphone on the TP2? That was amazing! The keyboard was awesome, too.
There are many things I miss about my old Tilt2. Slow processor is not one of them, though.

HTC + GOOGLE = WINNER
who the hell can call any samsung device a NEXUS 2???????
Just isn't right. It is a crying shame. No device looks and feels like the Nexus One in your hand. It may have a few quirks but IMO it still the best device out there. I bought the G2 and ended up leaving the G2 on my desk and still use my Nexus One as my daily phone. Along with the desktop charger it is quite the package.
HTC + GOOGLE = WINNER

Give me a g1 with boosted specs. I miss that phone dearly
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I agree the Nexus S is not what I expected at all.

I'm confused... the g2 is a sense-less phone from HTC.. the only thing not making it a nexus is the name.........

th0r615 said:
I'm confused... the g2 is a sense-less phone from HTC.. the only thing not making it a nexus is the name.........
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No, also everything the name implies. The Nexus One (and most likely the Nexus S) you can build pretty much straight off AOSP after adding the drivers that are not open source. This is not true for the G2 as far as I know. Also, for those running unrooted they won't get the same fast updates.
Another point is that some of us think the Nexus S hurts the Nexus brand.

blunden said:
No, also everything the name implies. The Nexus One (and most likely the Nexus S) you can build pretty much straight off AOSP after adding the drivers that are not open source. This is not true for the G2 as far as I know. Also, for those running unrooted they won't get the same fast updates.
Another point is that some of us think the Nexus S hurts the Nexus brand.
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I don't think anyone with any sense of business will say that at all. I mean no offense, but hear me out. First, I'm not getting the S. Not a real upgrade, to me.
There is no real Nexus brand. It's nothing more than a silly name, really. Any profit from such a device that Google may see is miniscule at best. The 1 didn't sell many units, so not much profit there. Factor in they probably ordered a lot more than they sold, based upong Google calling it a massive failure. Then, toss in the fact that only uber-geeks bought it... The S is much the same, though sales will be theoretically be better with discount pricing, in-store sales, and better advertising. Profit will still be minimal, in my opinion. Google won't see a large revenue increase because of the S. Sounds like I'm agreeing with you so far, but I'm just saying there's no real Nexus brand.
But, figure there is a Nexus brand. The S, with in-store sales, discount pricing, and better advertising, will appeal to a wider audience than the 1. More Android users now, more people know about Froyo and Gingerbread. The S helps with brand recognition and gets the name out. It's like selling out: you're fan base hates you, nut you increase your fan base ten fold.
It's not what you or I want, but it doesn't hurt the brand, if one even exists.
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SoberGuy said:
Factor in they probably ordered a lot more than they sold, based upong Google calling it a massive failure. Then, toss in the fact that only uber-geeks bought it.
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google called the webstore a failure, not the nexus. they did see profits from the nexus one just a few months after going on sale.
and the nexus WAS meant for uber-geeks

flybyme said:
google called the webstore a failure, not the nexus. they did see profits from the nexus one just a few months after going on sale.
and the nexus WAS meant for uber-geeks
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Thanks for reading it literally and missing the point. The webstore was a failure, hence profits couldn't have been high at all, which is further evidence there is not much of a brand. Better?
Jesus....
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heres a real Nexus 2: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/lg-optimus-2x-first-dual-core-smartphone-launches-with-android/

I think that HTC should first make phones with better HW quality.
Speakers, t-screen, 3G connectivity are a joke on the N1 compared to other phones.
I wouldnt take another chance at HTC. They screwed up with the N1.

Yea that! I would love a G1 with updated specs and a 3.7 inch screen or higher and same keyboard..shooooot!!
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A G2 with a front facing camera, 2.3 and a hinge that didn't feel like it was a second away from failing catastrophically would be tough to beat!
Unfortunately that doesnt exist so try a Nexus S, it works great!

Did Asus buy the farm on this one?

Have purchased about 5 Nook Colors, (2 refurbished)
Hacked the hell out of them, and never a hardware issue.
Asus used to build reliable stuff, but from all your various horror stories, it seems that this Nexus 7 is not one of them.

ganovim said:
Have purchased about 5 Nook Colors, (2 refurbished)
Hacked the hell out of them, and never a hardware issue.
Asus used to build reliable stuff, but from all your various horror stories, it seems that this Nexus 7 is not one of them.
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why am I here

it is most likely because production was rushed. the nexus 7 went from idea to production in about 4 months which is relatively quick.

BrianDigital said:
why am I here
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I hear ya. Another useless thread started by someone without an N7. Then again, if I owned 5 Nooks, i'd be bitter too.
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redundant409 said:
it is most likely because production was rushed. the nexus 7 went from idea to production in about 4 months which is relatively quick.
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4 Months? No. Over a year most likely. They shown it in CES 2011 back in January I believe under the name MeMO 370T which is what the Nexus 7 is.
Based off that, its been AT LEAST 9 months (but they had an actual functioning unit - so its been in development much longer).
The 4 month thing is a load of bull.

just lou said:
I hear ya. Another useless thread started by someone without an N7. Then again, if I owned 5 Nooks, i'd be bitter too.
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Most of the other Nooks were for friends you idiot.
And I am raising a legitimate concern about quality control over an item that I was going to purchase myself, and may still do so, but not while sending it back 3 times.

ganovim said:
Most of the other Nooks were for friends you idiot.
And I am raising a legitimate concern about quality control over an item that I was going to purchase myself, and may still do so, but not while sending it back 3 times.
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dont buy it

ganovim said:
Have purchased about 5 Nook Colors, (2 refurbished)
Hacked the hell out of them, and never a hardware issue.
Asus used to build reliable stuff, but from all your various horror stories, it seems that this Nexus 7 is not one of them.
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Not sure the Nook Color should be used as a case of high quality manufacturing. When they first came out they had quite a few problems too. Very creaky bezels, power buttons that would come loose, and some other issues. I had to return my Nook Color three times before I got one that wasn't messed up in some fashion.
Don't think it had any issues as wide spread as the raised glass with the Nexus 7 is. But it didn't seem like a smooth launch either.
Of course if you bought your 5 Nook Colors later after all the hiccups were corrected, they would probably be perfect. I suspect if you were to buy 5 Nexus 7s a bit later they'll probably all be perfect too.
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PS. I have a Nook Color I'll trade for a Nexus 7 by the way.

ganovim said:
Most of the other Nooks were for friends you idiot.
And I am raising a legitimate concern about quality control over an item that I was going to purchase myself, and may still do so, but not while sending it back 3 times.
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Aww. You mad bro?
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Nook had way more problem the nexus 7. I went through a ton before finally just settling on good enough. Ended up selling because it was too slow.
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Obviously the people that have had issues are in the minority. Considering that this forum is very popular you will see lots of people coming on to complain that are in that minority.
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ganovim said:
Have purchased about 5 Nook Colors, (2 refurbished)
Hacked the hell out of them, and never a hardware issue.
Asus used to build reliable stuff, but from all your various horror stories, it seems that this Nexus 7 is not one of them.
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You do understand the concept that somehere like XDA you hear a disproportionate amount of problems, for every person posting here with a problem, there are 100,000 consumers without a problem just USING their tablet.
If you have trouble understanding this simple concept, ask a grown up.

145ty said:
4 Months? No. Over a year most likely. They shown it in CES 2011 back in January I believe under the name MeMO 370T which is what the Nexus 7 is.
Based off that, its been AT LEAST 9 months (but they had an actual functioning unit - so its been in development much longer).
The 4 month thing is a load of bull.
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That was a totally different unit. You have to realize that not everything that hits tech conferences go into production. Google came to Asus I January 2012 it was released in June.
Current devices:
Asus Nexus 7
HTC Sensation 4G
T-Mobile mytouch 3G (HTC Magic) [DISCONTINUED]
When you realize your on xda like it's a full time job.

CrazyPeter said:
You do understand the concept that somehere like XDA you hear a disproportionate amount of problems, for every person posting here with a problem, there are 100,000 consumers without a problem just USING their tablet.
If you have trouble understanding this simple concept, ask a grown up.
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And I guess you talked to them all you moron

Trolls make the best anglers, they always get a bite. Well done but time to go back under your bridge now.

People always say MOST people's N7's are just fine but it seems whenever there is a problem I always seem to be affected! Although I had the screen lift but tightening the screws fixed it for me. So I would say Asus QC is lower especially at the 200 dollar price point, but not that bad.

BrianDigital said:
why am I here
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So you can hit this thread with a 1 star rate, why else?

What if it's not a pre-production thing?

I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are?
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Simple... If certain things cause you not to like a phone then don't buy it

The review units didn't ship with widgets on the lock screen feature and multi-user login feature. Those will be in the final builds before shipment. That final build should address those issues. I think Google made a foolish mistake to release unfinished software for review.
But to answer your question, those will never be permanent so your question just doesn't make sense. The LG Optimus G, which has the exact same specs, scored well in benchmarks and battery tests. The issue with the Nexus 4 is definitely the software. And if it's software, Google will take care.
If you really want an answer, well then this is a terrible device, I guess?

Remember, people thought ICS was crappy and laggy when it was first released on the GNex

I hope for everyone's sake that these issues are only temporary.
That said along with my other concerns (LTE and storage are a pretty big deal for me, HATERS: NO MAYBE NOT FOR YOU I DON'T CARE) I am already on the fence between buying this before the holidays and waiting to see what comes next year. If there are quality or performance issues then that will push me over the edge to riding out a few more months with my i9000.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Hero_Guy said:
Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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That's what forums are for

Hero_Guy said:
According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Awesome news. Source?

Honestly, even if.. so what? I sell my gnex 200$ buy that phone for 300$ so effectively pay 100$ for a phone that the current benchmarks are 10 times better than the gnex... I'd gladly pay 100$ a year for that kind of upgrade.

Wow. Okay. I really didn't think I'd have to say this again, but: I am not saying that the complaints are going to stick. I'm not asking for the probability that they will; other people have discussed that ad nauseam elsewhere. I'm just asking, honestly: if the worst happens, and it isn't a pre-production/software issue, and the phone only gets 5.5 hours battery life, and is beaten half the time on benchmarks by last-gen phones, what's the call? What would you guys do, in that situation? I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to honestly attempt to consider a possible situation.

Its simple: N4 got same hardware as Optimus G, which means hardware cant be a reason for scoring lower on benchmarks. Since hardware cant be a reason, it can be software. Those Nexus 4 on tests doesnt have some 4.2 features yet, so you can clearly see that this isnt final software yet.
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The battery definitely should be a software issue. I have a feeling that something is causing the CPU or GPU to not be able to fully downclock on idle which is causing both the battery and heat issues. Though really, the phone should be designed so that it doesn't overheat even when it's running at 100%.

N4 got same hardware as Optimus G,
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What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.

MarkusL81 said:
What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable

I'm on the GN LTE. It sucks but I can live with it until I figure out the situation with the N4. I rushed into the GN when it first came out without waiting for critical review. Huge mistake.
I won't repeat that with the N4. I'll wait at least a few weeks after the release to see how the reviews play out.
I really hope the N4 can be my next phone. The price is just right. I don't see any good alternative other than paying nearly double for a Note II or S III.

jacklebott said:
That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
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And there could be different versions of the SoC. Was any model confirmed beyond it being a S4 Pro? There could very will be multiple versions of the the S4 Pro.

The chips have been confirmed to be the same.

[Q] Are we really that blind?

I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?

TL;DR, lol.

Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.

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Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.

The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Thats a lot of writing man, my eyes hurt

johnbyebye said:
TL;DR, lol.
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This.

Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..

I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.

To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it

I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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Obagleyfreer said:
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
Source discussion http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977196

I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.

comminus said:
I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.

OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.

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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
ingenious247 said:
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.

Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
Regards,
rodstrom

I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.

I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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I wasn't aware of this....

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/5949...ease-q4-2015-nexus-6-android-5-1-lollipop.htm
Apparently, the Nexus 6 was a flop
It's all just an illusion

Lol... I don't even... Oye...
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Wow, I just love how these sites state all of this as fact, as if somehow, just saying it will make it so. Lol'd hard I did.

I think I just had a mild stroke trying to read that "article."

`Journalistical` garbage I`am actualy a bit glad its not as cheap as the N5, lesser nooby people on this forum to ask the most basic and stupid questions too imo.

SWEET. A 4k display.

Its vcpost guys come on

My brain hurts from reading that article

Of course they don't provide sources for Nexus 5 2015. I am eagerly waiting to see what the nexus is going to be called and looking for the answer is the Nexus named after generation or size? Let this not be a fruitless debate on this subject of name as it relates to size vs generation

"There wasn't much improvement with the camera feature either. It was just the same as the old nexus 5."
Erm No just no.

nms247 said:
"There wasn't much improvement with the camera feature either. It was just the same as the old nexus 5."
Erm No just no.
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If i could thank you again I would. That was quite possibly the most... just damn. I give up. I'm curious as to what his tech journalism qualifications are.

Ha ha ha
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And the bugs.... It's the nexus 6 fault for all the LP bugs

Well, IF their *speculation* on a 2015 Nexus 5 turns out to be for real... would line up nicely with an SD820. The 6 is a bit beastlie.

This might be the worst article I've ever read

So, I guess I'm just imagining that the 5.1 update is on my phone. And that it showed up the day I bought it.
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Ya, why was it sold out for forever and a half. If its a flop its due to lack of supply.

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Ya, why was it sold out for forever and a half. If its a flop its due to lack of supply.
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You don't believe that this wasn't PLANNED, do you? They know exactly what the demand will be, they can supply plenty to satisfy the demand. The "shortage" was entirely a marketing trick to make demand LOOK bigger than it really was. Oldest trick in the book.
If you want more proof of this, just consider for a moment that these are ONLINE ORDERS. What that means, is that they don't actually need to have a physical stock of the devices in order to be able to place an order. They just need to know the manufacturing capacity of the factory making them in order to be able to give the customer a reasonable estimate on shipping date.

Don't matter.. I love my N6?

I thought I've read that next nexus device will be made by LG