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Nexus 4 quality prediction from a Nexus 7 owner POV

As you all must have read about the Nexus 4 with everything latest and greatest and also the lowest possible price 299$ what do you guys think the hardware built quality will be like? I really love my N7 and am totally happy with it but the several issues which can be read on this forum especially not to mention the screen lift and maybe touch screen dead spots for many people is no secret. So seeing the price of N4 what do you guys think the product will be like?

jshashwat93 said:
As you all must have read about the Nexus 4 with everything latest and greatest and also the lowest possible price 299$ what do you guys think the hardware built quality will be like? I really love my N7 and am totally happy with it but the several issues which can be read on this forum especially not to mention the screen lift and maybe touch screen dead spots for many people is no secret. So seeing the price of N4 what do you guys think the product will be like?
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a little bit better than n7 but i dont think it would have a nice build quality since the price is crazily low for the spec

I'm very interested in the N4 but I will definitely be waiting to see if there are any build issues before I buy. No per orders for me.
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So you are asking if the Nexus 4, which is a different product, from a different manufacturer, designed by a different team, using different materials, built in a different factory that only shares part of it's name with the Nexus 7, will have the same issues.
Do you know how crazy that question is?
Do you also understand the concept of scale? The Nexus 7 has sold multiple millions of units, what percentage do you think have been returned defective? 1%? - more like 0.01%

From what I've seen, LG has built some really solid Android devices. The problem with them is their software, which is really some of the worst OEM stuff. However, since it's a Nexus device with pure AOSP, I think there's a really good chance it could be great.

CrazyPeter said:
So you are asking if the Nexus 4, which is a different product, from a different manufacturer, designed by a different team, using different materials, built in a different factory that only shares part of it's name with the Nexus 7, will have the same issues.
Do you know how crazy that question is?
Do you also understand the concept of scale? The Nexus 7 has sold multiple millions of units, what percentage do you think have been returned defective? 1%? - more like 0.01%
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It's not a crazy question by any stretch. The fact the it has a nexus branding means it has to be approved by Google. If Google did not have a problem approving the N7 inspite of the faults just for the objective of keeping the price low why would they not do the same for LG? Unless you are suggesting LG has some magic formula for manufacturing high quality products at even a lower cost. And I know 10 people with the N7 and they all have the screen lift issue including me. So if you are telling me I can return my N7 and get it exchanged for a proper one please tell me the procedure to do so. And If you meant I should return it because of the defect then please read my first post where I mentioned I am really happy with my N7. So your 0.01% logic is a fail.

CrazyPeter said:
So you are asking if the Nexus 4, which is a different product, from a different manufacturer, designed by a different team, using different materials, built in a different factory that only shares part of it's name with the Nexus 7, will have the same issues.
Do you know how crazy that question is?
Do you also understand the concept of scale? The Nexus 7 has sold multiple millions of units, what percentage do you think have been returned defective? 1%? - more like 0.01%
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This.

jshashwat93 said:
It's not a crazy question by any stretch. The fact the it has a nexus branding means it has to be approved by Google. If Google did not have a problem approving the N7 inspite of the faults just for the objective of keeping the price low why would they not do the same for LG? Unless you are suggesting LG has some magic formula for manufacturing high quality products at even a lower cost. And I know 10 people with the N7 and they all have the screen lift issue including me. So if you are telling me I can return my N7 and get it exchanged for a proper one please tell me the procedure to do so. And If you meant I should return it because of the defect then please read my first post where I mentioned I am really happy with my N7. So your 0.01% logic is a fail.
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ynrozturk said:
This.
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This

Optimus G is supposedly beautiful and my previous LG phone, the G2x, had great hardware as well.
LG knows hardware, so build quality should be great.

Nospin said:
Optimus G is supposedly beautiful and my previous LG phone, the G2x, had great hardware as well.
LG knows hardware, so build quality should be great.
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Not used Transformer Pads but I have heard they are great too

Seems like a nice phone, but it comes without LTE, only the ATT pseudo 4g.

Groid said:
Seems like a nice phone, but it comes without LTE, only the ATT pseudo 4g.
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True, but HSPA+ is fast enough for most people out there. In fact, I get more headaches dealing with the LTE to HSPA+ handoffs. I'm really considering this for my next device.

CrazyPeter said:
The Nexus 7 has sold multiple millions of units, what percentage do you think have been returned defective? 1%? - more like 0.01%
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If the figures HERE are any indication then your figures are way out.
I think a LOT more devices are defective but as Google / Asus will never admit it, we'll never know.
LG or Lucky Goldstar as they once were make decent kit so fingers crossed.
Like the poster above, I'll not be making a pre order but I will be buying an N4 rather than an N7 with 3G

lg>asus, although nexus 4 will come out with 32gb near early next year

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This
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I see what you tried to do there.
Key word; tried.

AznDud333 said:
lg>asus, although nexus 4 will come out with 32gb near early next year
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That's a given. 64GB with LTE later in the year.
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ynrozturk said:
I see what you tried to do there.
Key word; tried.
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Lol I was thinking the same thing. Didn't plan it that way but liked the results

Buy or not?

So I'm debating to get my dad a nexus 7 16gb wifi only from staples for $200,for his b day.. My question is,
What's the common issues? I know reviews are really high but all things have some issues despite people who buy it and a day later review it without having it for some time.
Was it worth it? Do you guys love it or hate it or get annoyed or what? Either this or a electric Fireplace space heater...

ReapersDeath said:
So I'm debating to get my dad a nexus 7 16gb wifi only from staples for $200,for his b day.. My question is,
What's the common issues? I know reviews are really high but all things have some issues despite people who buy it and a day later review it without having it for some time.
Was it worth it? Do you guys love it or hate it or get annoyed or what? Either this or a electric Fireplace space heater...
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Ya can read around here. Like most devices there are a few issues but IMO there are no deal breakers. All in all I think most users here, myself included are very happy with this. I have the 32 GB 3g BTW
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ReapersDeath said:
Either this or a electric Fireplace space heater...
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Well, I can say 100% that I would rather have my Nexus 7 than an electric Fireplace space heater
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Because you don't live in Alaska....:sly:
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ReapersDeath said:
So I'm debating to get my dad a nexus 7 16gb wifi only from staples for $200,for his b day.. My question is,
What's the common issues? I know reviews are really high but all things have some issues despite people who buy it and a day later review it without having it for some time.
Was it worth it? Do you guys love it or hate it or get annoyed or what? Either this or a electric Fireplace space heater...
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I love my nexus 7, its the most up to date google software device running jelly bean. Its pretty smooth on stock software, i SUGGEST the 32gb model, i have it and it was 269$ total that was with ny 8% sales tax. They are selling it pretty cheap it take them about 180$ to make it and they sell it for not much of a profit. THIS IS PURELY GOOGLE software. No ASUS overlay like cellphones or anything. Its great it and the BEST tablet for the money.
Cons: No rear camera, no external SD slot, on stock software you cannot view landscape mode on homescreen and do not purchase from gamestop have not heard good things as in LCD problems and such. I suggest staples, walmart, or playstore.
Hope this helps!

I don't know how old your dad is but I am 66 and I freaking love mine.
Got mine from Google on pre order...unlocked and rooted the first day and haven't looked back!!!
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hambino3 said:
I love my nexus 7, its the most up to date google software device running jelly bean. Its pretty smooth on stock software, i SUGGEST the 32gb model, i have it and it was 269$ total that was with ny 8% sales tax. They are selling it pretty cheap it take them about 180$ to make it and they sell it for not much of a profit. THIS IS PURELY GOOGLE software. No ASUS overlay like cellphones or anything. Its great it and the BEST tablet for the money.
Cons: No rear camera, no external SD slot, on stock software you cannot view landscape mode on homescreen and do not purchase from gamestop have not heard good things as in LCD problems and such. I suggest staples, walmart, or playstore.
Hope this helps!
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The last update gave landscape mode on stock homescreen
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I vote for the Nexus. I've had mine since November and haven't had any problems with it. It's a great value, I did a lot of research before buying mine and found it to be the best 7 inch tablet.
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Buy it, you'll have no regrets. I'm sure your dad will love it, just like we love our N7 devices. It's one of the best tablets on the market.

Honestly, I think the N7 is just about the best $200 you can spend as far as technology goes.
Mine is basically defect-free. That hardware is really nice. It's a convenient size, great for reading, email and web-browsing.
However, only you know your dad. If you think he'd like a tablet, the N7 is definitely a great one!

I found this to be ironic since I bought an electric fireplace heater AND nexus 7 recently
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For my dad I would go with the heater, because he's not into these types of toys. But like someone said, only you know your dad, and the fact your considering getting him one speaks volumes, so as an opinion I say go for it. My 32GB was the best $260 I've spent in a long time.
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yes i agree !! Its worth buying

giffy89 said:
yes i agree !! Its worth buying
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I don't know your dad's age but I did something similar I'll describe below.
My step-dad is 61. He's never been real big on technology, he likes using it, for example he's a movie buff and loves home theater stuff, but he really doesn't care at all to know how it works or why it works. He's the kind of person who mysteriously ends up with the strangest toolbars ever on his computer when all he was trying to do was type something in notepad.
When he saw my first tablet, which was when the ipad launched originally, he fell in love with having a big screen and touch interface. So I got him one for Christmas and half expected him to use it for a little while and get frustrated or bored and shelve it longterm. But to my surprise he took to it with no problems and lived on it.
Fast forward a few years to the Nexus 7 launch. A few weeks after the Nexus 7 launched (I bought at staples before the pre order fiasco prior to launch day) he had surgery, heart surgery actually. He had some minor complications and ended up staying in the ICU a few weeks instead of a few days. There was no TV where he was.
His surgeon really stressed to us that he couldn't be working from the ICU, so his own ipad was out of the question. I went and bought a case for the Nexus 7 and then loaned it to him in the hospital. He usually likes big screens and large print, but he says the 7 inch screen is perfect for him and he really liked the Jelly Bean OS and interface a lot. Now he's begging for his own Nexus 7 after using those for a few weeks.
When I'm caught up financially I will buying him a Nexus 7 for sure. Even for a "bull in a china shop" type person who's not a techie, the Nexus 7 is one of the best overall devices I think you could give as a gift. The tablet and jellybean just work, and work great, and it's not much of a learning curve.

Just buy it. It's a greatest device for its money with powerful cpu+gpu plus the grate service support (hope you never needed). The only bad thing is that the glass is not gorilla glass but just Corning class so you must be gentle with the screen.
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Whom to blame, Google or Asus?

Nexus 7 2013 has been out for almost a month and we keep seeing more hardware and software issues appearing. Is Google letting us down or Asus mass production issue? Your thought?

Storm in a teacup, all hardware and software will have glitches, the complainers are usually just the loudest ones in any forum
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More issues appearing? What are you talking about? Most of the software issues are patched now... And the hardware issues were with the first batch...
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This device rocks, software is not an issue if you're patient. Hardware seems like luck of the draw, with most being lucky. I think all the "issues" people are having shout the loudest 'cause people in general only want to hear the bad news.
I rooted my device in Linux with no issues, have changed roms multiple times and settled on PA, faux123's ES003 and love it. Great battery life, great speed, great sound, great screen, zero issues with multi-touch, no creaking or rattling (I refuse to shake or thump or twist my device), and I can get a GPS fix in my basement. Oh, and Bluetooth works, haven' t seen any light bleed, my charger doesn't hum or buzz, and the back is free of the blighted "oil slick". I am aware of all these issues because they are at the forefront of the forums continually, but I have yet to observe any of them first hand.
So, to get back to the OP's question: I think Google and Asus have both done well to create the best device I've ever owned. I blame both of them for building an inexpensive and powerful tablet.
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I have not experienced any issues so far but I was expecting a few seeing as we early adopters for the new Android versions. I think that is a good thing.
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Blame the consumer for finding issues but still keeps the device.
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Mine is great after update... With greatness always comes a few small wrinkles but when ironed out it's like it was never there
Sent 4rm my Paranoid Nexus 4.3 LTE...

Some of us go to a great length trying to find what is wrong with their device. If you ask for it you will get it lol.
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I don't know of many hardware issues. I think most were to blame on a faulty patch that Google pulled and replaced.
Most people replaced swapped out their tablets because of these but overall I think it was a successful launch. Not many hardware problems at all. Of course you'll get a few duds from every batch. Nothing alarming though.
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Nexus devices have always been "Dev" devices so the occasional hiccup is expected. Google, nor Asus is at fault. The important thing is that known issues have already been rectified. Nexus devices have always been Dev devices in the past. I think people are only posting bad news. I've had 2 new nexus 7s (exchanged 16gb for 32gb) and 0 Build quality issues.

Dude you're getting a $240 device with huge specs and you're complaining

Yes this device is awesome
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I think a lot of the complaining is coming from people just looking for problems. Its no surprise that if they are looking for them that they find something to complain about. Many of the "issues" I have seen discussed on here are either complete user error or someone being ridiculously anal. Seriously anyone returning a Nexus 7 because it makes a alight noise if you tap it near the camera, or you can hear the speakers buzz when you hold it within a mm of your ear, or because if you press down hard on the case near the Asus logo it creaks, should be banned from buying retail electronics. These kinds of people just drive costs up for the rest of us.
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If you want to see some real, legitimate issues...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/mG4JXaT-SHs/doD54oeEJrUJ
Well over 100 so far...

I personally have had very few issues. I am very happy with this tablet. Even more than my first generation model which I also loved.
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Blame Google and Asus together. Most of the details should be improved.

So GPS lock issue is absolutely 100% gone?

danvee said:
If you want to see some real, legitimate issues...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/mG4JXaT-SHs/doD54oeEJrUJ
Well over 100 so far...
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I guess you have to put this into relation to total sales and if you look at the percentage that will come up, I guess every manufacturer will have a similar one. 100 sounds alot but in relation to (just as example) 100.000 sold devices it is just 0.1%...sure you can always find something wrong with anything . I am very happy with my Nexus 7

Not when you note that a number of them have returned 2 or more units.
Also, it's not like they're being 'picky' about it. Random reboots, dead areas of the screen, non-working GPS are hardly minor issues that are easily overlooked.
Add to that the number of people who might have just returned the device, bought a different brand (or nothing) and didn't bother to search out or post to that site about the experience.

I bought a16gb nexus when they first came out. A year later I bought a 32gb one for my wife. When the nexus (2013) came out, I replaced mine with a new 32gb one. I passed my original down to my son. All perfect, and a delight to use. Hooked on qi charging with the new one.
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This or Nexus 7 (2012)?

See, I am looking for a good tablet that will last me maybe 1-3 years, but I am also looking for a semi-cheap tablet. Now, I know that last years Nexus 7 I can find on the Amazon or ebay for cheaper, but I don't want it breaking on me. Also, I am possitive that Nexus 7 (2013) has a better chance of officially getting Key-lime Pie.
So my question is this: Should I get the Nexus 7 (2012)(32GB) or pay about $65 more to get the Nexus 7 (2013)(16GB)?

Given the issues that SOME of the new N7s are having, you might want to wait to make your decision, unless you buy from a seller having a stellar return /exchange /refund policy.
I've had Ø problems with my N7 2012 in the 13 months I've had it.
Can't say that for my N7 2013.
Check out the thread here on Google's own forums:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/mG4JXaT-SHs[526-550-false]
If you have a Walmart nearby, you might want to check the Hisense Sero7 Pro.
Pretty much an N7 2012 8G with SD storage, rear camera and HDMI for about $130.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hisense-S...re-Processor-with-8GB-Memory-M470BSA/24805142

In my opinion, the N7(2013) is the better buy. I know that there are some glitches going on, but I think most, if not all are going to be correctable by software, so I don't see waiting for "fixed" hardware to become available to be a concern. I"ve only had mine for about a week (factor that in to the weight of my opinion), but I am a very happy camper with it so far.

danvee said:
Given the issues that SOME of the new N7s are having, you might want to wait to make your decision, unless you buy from a seller having a stellar return /exchange /refund policy.
I've had Ø problems with my N7 2012 in the 13 months I've had it.
Can't say that for my N7 2013.
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Either you are really bad at math, or you have an issue with spatial reality.
The tabs been out two months and there are only 168 unique complaints on that forum...
Here there are prolly about 250 unique complaints.
Not even a percentage of the tabs sold have reported the issue in these two places..
OP;
Getting the 2012 version, while cheaper, is a bad investment. Just because it gets older quicker for you.
Both will get the new updates tho. In fact the 2012 will get updates as long as it can actually run the software.
Dependent on your usage, both would still be usable in 3 years for almost all tasks that android offers. Hell I have a eee101 and it still plays every game and app I throw at it. /shrug , but of course it is no where as slick as this Flo.

The new nexus 7 is better in all aspects especially the FHD screen which is a different story, but I recommend you wait a month or so to let google resolve all issues completely.
I got mine 3 weeks ago and was suffering from "multi-touch" problem, rebooting my device and stuck on X logo twice and had to wipe data every time to make work, fortunately all fixed now with latest update but seems some owners still having problems.
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Get the new one from a local store. If it had issues, just exchange it. I have the 32gb 2013 version and it works flawlessly.
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Since you're planning on having it for awhile go with the new model. The 2013 one really slows down over time.
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tweaked said:
Either you are really bad at math, or you have an issue with spatial reality.
The tabs been out two months and there are only 168 unique complaints on that forum...
Here there are prolly about 250 unique complaints.
Not even a percentage of the tabs sold have reported the issue in these two places..
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Neither, actually... :beer:
Hence my use of the word 'some'. Not 'many', not 'a few', not 'most'.
That's also why I advised to buy from a source allowing return/exchange/refund.
Some issues don't show up immediately, and it would give the OP a good amount of time and opportunity to test out the device.
If you've read the posts well enough to compile the number of discrete complainants, you'd also know that more than a few have been through more than 1 device.
You also know that those numbers don't account for people who simply returned it without replacing it with another, or chose a different device, or took the money and ran - and had no reason to post about it.
You'll also note that I didn't say not to buy it, but consider waiting until the issues are identified and resolved.
Fair enough?

danvee said:
Neither, actually... :beer:
Hence my use of the word 'some'. Not 'many', not 'a few', not 'most'.
That's also why I advised to buy from a source allowing return/exchange/refund.
Some issues don't show up immediately, and it would give the OP a good amount of time and opportunity to test out the device.
If you've read the posts well enough to compile the number of discrete complainants, you'd also know that more than a few have been through more than 1 device.
You also know that those numbers don't account for people who simply returned it without replacing it with another, or chose a different device, or took the money and ran - and had no reason to post about it.
You'll also note that I didn't say not to buy it, but consider waiting until the issues are identified and resolved.
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. I can't be bothered to read all that above. But I still say you have a spatial reality issue. His chances of getting a bad one are the same now as they will be In a month, 6 months or a year.

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In my opinion I wasn't toatally satisfied with the og n7 coming from the Asus transformer, both had pretty similar hardware other than the transformer having a 10 inch screen which I missed at first, after deciding to move onto the 2013 n7 have been completely satisfied with it, good hardware are than the minor touch screen issues since latest update but those will most likely be taken care of in future update.

I wasn't aware of this....

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/5949...ease-q4-2015-nexus-6-android-5-1-lollipop.htm
Apparently, the Nexus 6 was a flop
It's all just an illusion

Lol... I don't even... Oye...
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Wow, I just love how these sites state all of this as fact, as if somehow, just saying it will make it so. Lol'd hard I did.

I think I just had a mild stroke trying to read that "article."

`Journalistical` garbage I`am actualy a bit glad its not as cheap as the N5, lesser nooby people on this forum to ask the most basic and stupid questions too imo.

SWEET. A 4k display.

Its vcpost guys come on

My brain hurts from reading that article

Of course they don't provide sources for Nexus 5 2015. I am eagerly waiting to see what the nexus is going to be called and looking for the answer is the Nexus named after generation or size? Let this not be a fruitless debate on this subject of name as it relates to size vs generation

"There wasn't much improvement with the camera feature either. It was just the same as the old nexus 5."
Erm No just no.

nms247 said:
"There wasn't much improvement with the camera feature either. It was just the same as the old nexus 5."
Erm No just no.
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If i could thank you again I would. That was quite possibly the most... just damn. I give up. I'm curious as to what his tech journalism qualifications are.

Ha ha ha
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And the bugs.... It's the nexus 6 fault for all the LP bugs

Well, IF their *speculation* on a 2015 Nexus 5 turns out to be for real... would line up nicely with an SD820. The 6 is a bit beastlie.

This might be the worst article I've ever read

So, I guess I'm just imagining that the 5.1 update is on my phone. And that it showed up the day I bought it.
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Ya, why was it sold out for forever and a half. If its a flop its due to lack of supply.

cornelious2 said:
Ya, why was it sold out for forever and a half. If its a flop its due to lack of supply.
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You don't believe that this wasn't PLANNED, do you? They know exactly what the demand will be, they can supply plenty to satisfy the demand. The "shortage" was entirely a marketing trick to make demand LOOK bigger than it really was. Oldest trick in the book.
If you want more proof of this, just consider for a moment that these are ONLINE ORDERS. What that means, is that they don't actually need to have a physical stock of the devices in order to be able to place an order. They just need to know the manufacturing capacity of the factory making them in order to be able to give the customer a reasonable estimate on shipping date.

Don't matter.. I love my N6?

I thought I've read that next nexus device will be made by LG