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Response to Hack-A-Day - Post Screenshots here

This is a thread to show hack-a-day what a unprofessional and outright dumb move they made by posting that article. I think it would be a great idea if everyone dropped a comment on the hackaday site for the 10 missing things for Android / 10 things for Gingerbread article and post the screenshot here. I have attached mine below along with the link to the article.
And yes I am really angered by their dumb approach. How do you not know that Android has folders, I mean co'mmon.
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http://hackaday.com/2010/07/10/top-10-features-wed-like-to-see-in-android-3-0/
Per cxdist, just to show I am not trying to drive hits, Article Below
Top 10 features we’d like to see in Android 3.0
posted Jul 10th 2010 8:00am by Jacob Nahin
filed under: android hacks, rants
Poor Google. Despite its numerous capabilities with smartphones spread across a variety of carriers, Android still struggles to garner the prestige and positive perceptions of iOS 4. Sales continue to rise, but at the end of the day, the average person is still left lusting for an iPhone. Well, here are 10 features that should be added to Android 3.0 that could change the tide.
1. A no-brainer task manager.
Google says Android doesn’t need a task manager, that it closes programs efficiently without any user-intervention, substandard apps often suck memory dry. Because of this, Android users are forced to download complicated task-managers, each with its own odd UI, and weigh which one works the best. Google, please fess up to the problem and put something in there a computer novice could use. Something with big buttons would be nice.
2. Stable Multitasking
Speaking of crashes, multitasking on Android is a mess. A little optimization here wouldn’t hurt. Better yet, while this may run counter-productive to us power-users, why not release a lite version of Android 3.0 that doesn’t support multitasking? Not every user needs it and lower-end phones would appreciate it
3. Swype
Google, your Android keyboard sucks. That’s why the fine folks at Swype Inc developed their product. Sure, some of the newer Android phones like the Droid X are releasing with it built in, but it would be a boon for the OS to come packaged with this software.
4. IR- sender support
On the hardware side of things, an IR-sender support is a “duh.” Imagine a next generation of remotes running on Android. Better yet, how would you like to control your lights and home-entertainment center with your phone without the sometimes-complicated mess of configuring through a network?
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Some apps have it. Some apps don’t. C’mon, this should be standard by now.
6. Folders
Google, you copied iOS’s homescreen UI, why not do it again? Many of users have outgrown their limited pages and would like a way to add some organization to their mobile lives.
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
If users are going to download a ton of apps from the Android Market, they need somewhere to put them. Users with rooted phones can already do this, but expandable storage should be standard in app-filled world with insatiable memory lust.
8. Built-in syncing
If the Android is going to succeed as a user-friendly platform, it needs to make it easy for people to add their music, photos, and video to their phones. It’s simple Google. Develop some web-based software and launch it as a beta. You do it for everything else…
9. Standardized UI for all apps
I’m all for artistic interpretation, but the reason so many functional apps get low scores is because they work differently than the rest of the OS. Once again, do what Apple did and come up with better UI guidelines.
10. Better market
Why can’t I queue downloads from the web? That would be awesome. How about a better way to navigate the store from my laptop? Despite the thousands of apps the Android Market hosts, it is stuck with the same problems as Apple’s iOS4. More importantly than any of the above, Google needs to innovate here. Change the way mobile markets work Google and you could win this war.
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They got you driving up site hits. Sounds like a great move to me.

cxdist said:
They got you driving up site hits. Sounds like a great move to me.
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Oh no dude, I cant stand hackaday, there just punks because they deleted the comment i left on the site. I mean an alternative would be just to post the article here and comment here. F&#K their hits.

I can't agree more that the article was written by a bumbling idiot, but how is this remotely related to development. Don't be a fool too, post in the right section.

isolated_epidemic said:
I can't agree more that the article was written by a bumbling idiot, but how is this remotely related to development. Don't be a fool too, post in the right section.
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Dude your right. Mod please post in the General Nexus One section. Thanks, Its 4:00am here so my bad.

flak0 said:
Dude your right. Mod please post in the General Nexus One section. Thanks, Its 4:00am here so my bad.
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Great find though, I always enjoy a solid chuckle before bed. Just like Fox News that guy apparently did zero research on his subject matter.

isolated_epidemic said:
Great find though, I always enjoy a solid chuckle before bed. Just like Fox News that guy apparently did zero research on his subject matter.
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lol true. i hate fanboys that don't know shiznit!

1. A no-brainer task manager.
Just because Google hasn't integrated it itself doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The article is right that Google hasn't released their own, but a task manager like ATK works perfectly fine. There are plenty of missing things in iOS4 that customers have relied on third party developers to fill the void.
2. Stable Multitasking
I lol'ed. Multitasking on my N1 works wonders compared to the "multitasking" on my iOS4 iPod Touch.
3. Swype
The default keyboard doesn't suck (I personally prefer it over Swype). But it is retarded to not acknowledge that Swype's closed-beta situation right now and limited manufacturer partners is probably the reason. Not Google.
4. IR- sender support
I couldn't care less about IR at this point. Haven't had it on a phone in years and don't miss it one bit. I'd rather have the ability to control devices over WiFi. Devices still relying on IR need to catch up as opposed to Google going backwards.
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Has anyone been able to pinch-to-zoom yet on their iOS4 homescreens? 'nuff said.
6. Folders
I didn't realize that the organized folders I have on my stock Android homescreens are figments of my imagination or have been magically created in my sleep by anally organized unicorns.
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
Really? Hi Froyo. Oh and I wish I could move apps to SD on my iPod Touch... (as most know, "storage capacity on an iDevice does not equal the amount of app RAM).
8. Built-in syncing
For media, I will say I do agree. A 1st party sync tool for media would be nice. But for PIM functionality, I much prefer the OTA syncing as opposed to having to remember to tether to my MacBook when I need to move info (except for those on Exchange which doesn't really count in this case because it goes without saying).
9. Standardized UI for all apps
God forbid developers have the right to design their apps the way they see fit instead of being told they all have to look a certain way!! I'm a unique and creative guy. I like my apps the same way.
10. Better market
iOS4's walled garden approach makes sense in many ways and doesn't make sense in many others. Android's approach leaves more of a possibility for trouble. But crap apps fill most of Apple's app store (not saying there isn't tons of crap in Android's market though) and clearly the walled garden approach isn't in place to give users only apps worth needing/buying. My one Android suggestion in this category? Buy AppBrain.

The One feature needed on Iphone 5...
The ability to hold a telephone conversation. Seriously Apple, fix that $***

How hard is it to get a non-biased article? Or at least one that respects the pros and cons of both operating systems. Anyhow I wrote the following, can't see it getting posted though
Seriously? This is the most impressive piece of fan boy horse **** I’ve read in a long time. Both operating systems have their pros and cons but to put zero research into an article is simply embarassing.
1 is nonsense as you can end each application through the settings – applications menu.
2 and 3 are purely subjective and as android is *OPEN* you can replace/hack the default keyboard in mere seconds.
4 While I would like this feature, I can’t see how it’s a DUH! feature. It’s obvious this will be integrated with the release of Google TV and similar.
5 makes zero sense as not all applications need pinch to zoom. Would p2z really be necessary in the calendar application or the music application? No. Also where is iOS’s p2z on the home screen? Oh its missing….
6 Now this is my favorite part, android has had folders since 1.5. That’s right, before iOS 3.
7 Froyo supports this perfectly, nuff said.
8 I agree with this point, a better *MEDIA* syncing experience is necessary. However application and data syncing even after a factory reset is perfect at the moment, I simply sign into my google account and everything is restored.
9 Please don’t restrict Android like iOS, we like originality and uniqueness. Demanding system wide standardization pretty much gives up on any significant advancements in the future.
10 This day in age no-one needs to queue downloads. If you’re using a connection which needs to queue sub 1mb downloads then Android vs iOS is the least of your worries. Admittedly I would like a way to access the marketplace on my laptop.
All in all, there was zero subjectivity in this article. Even on the areas that any Android user would agree to, the attitude used is that of an iOS fan boy. Poor show hackaday.
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adambenjamin said:
The One feature needed on Iphone 5...
The ability to hold a telephone conversation. Seriously Apple, fix that $***
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hold down the mute button for a couple of second and it'll change to hold.

mtl171 said:
hold down the mute button for a couple of second and it'll change to hold.
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I'm pretty sure they were referring to the high rate of call dropping and call failures that many people use as a target of insult towards the iPhone crowd. Not the ability to put the call on hold.

obstacles can kill said:
I'm pretty sure they were referring to the high rate of call dropping and call failures that many people use as a target of insult towards the iPhone crowd. Not the ability to put the call on hold.
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supposedly the new iphone fixes it. though you lose bars when you hold it(messed up reception algorithm)

We seriously need a new blog site to respond to all of those biased, ignorant, uneducated, and lack of research articles posted in many blog sites (even sometimes the big sites make mistakes too). I think a site like this would be fun to read

ohh, I mean hold, as in not drop the call actually. My iphone could not hold on to a call.

NexusDro said:
We seriously need a new blog site to respond to all of those biased, ignorant, uneducated, and lack of research articles posted in many blog sites (even sometimes the big sites make mistakes too). I think a site like this would be fun to read
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Well I turned my rebuttal to it into a blog post on my site. If anyone supports my response to the article, you are more than welcome to share it.
Oh and if linking to my site for this reason is against policy (I don't think it is because I've seen external linking previously), I fully apologize and will remove the link or will understand if a mod does it.
And here is the pic I used for the article:
http://www.erictate.com/2010/07/11/hack-a-day-loses-their-cred-outside-of-ifanboys/

Thanks Everyone for your Input & responses. I agree with building the blog site against this article. Hackaday will not only lose credibility but they will also lose readers. Thats like Engadget saying that Android needs Adobe Flash in 3.0. I mean really, okay I will go back to work now.

The posting: http://hackaday.com/2010/07/10/top-10-features-wed-like-to-see-in-android-3-0/
They have since admitted that the article is not very accurate.
Hello HaD readers,
Sorry for the delay in updating this. I was on probation while the editors worked with Jason to figure out some things.
Clearly, for my recent debut article, I didn’t research Android OS well enough. After reading each of your comments, I realize that the article fell short of HaD’s and its readers standards for high-quality writing and reporting. Every point I made in the article were problems I noticed in my experience with Android, but I should have done more research on others’ experiences and the capabilities of each version of the OS. To each reader, I am sorry and will do better by you in future posts.
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1. A no-brainer task manager.
Google says Android doesn’t need a task manager, that it closes programs efficiently without any user-intervention, substandard apps often suck memory dry. Because of this, Android users are forced to download complicated task-managers, each with its own odd UI, and weigh which one works the best. Google, please fess up to the problem and put something in there a computer novice could use. Something with big buttons would be nice.
Included in a OS thats designed to take care of this?
2. Stable Multitasking
Speaking of crashes, multitasking on Android is a mess. A little optimization here wouldn’t hurt. Better yet, while this may run counter-productive to us power-users, why not release a lite version of Android 3.0 that doesn’t support multitasking? Not every user needs it and lower-end phones would appreciate it
Is there anything more stable than the linux kernel? brainwashed by apple?
3. Swype
Google, your Android keyboard sucks. That’s why the fine folks at Swype Inc developed their product. Sure, some of the newer Android phones like the Droid X are releasing with it built in, but it would be a boon for the OS to come packaged with this software.
It does not suck. Again the door is open to install any number of keyboards and choose!
4. IR- sender support
On the hardware side of things, an IR-sender support is a “duh.” Imagine a next generation of remotes running on Android. Better yet, how would you like to control your lights and home-entertainment center with your phone without the sometimes-complicated mess of configuring through a network?
heard of Google TV? You can control it using the network/wifi. An IR sender would be nice and geeky, but not required in a phone.
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Some apps have it. Some apps don’t. C’mon, this should be standard by now.
(and again) The OS supports it. Apps that need it can incorporate it.
6. Folders
Google, you copied iOS’s homescreen UI, why not do it again? Many of users have outgrown their limited pages and would like a way to add some organization to their mobile lives.
thats a nice big rock you got there
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
If users are going to download a ton of apps from the Android Market, they need somewhere to put them. Users with rooted phones can already do this, but expandable storage should be standard in app-filled world with insatiable memory lust.
thats a nice big rock you got there
8. Built-in syncing
If the Android is going to succeed as a user-friendly platform, it needs to make it easy for people to add their music, photos, and video to their phones. It’s simple Google. Develop some web-based software and launch it as a beta. You do it for everything else…
best sync in the industry. No need to isntall iToons bloatware. More anti-google statements. Their betas are excellent!
9. Standardized UI for all apps
I’m all for artistic interpretation, but the reason so many functional apps get low scores is because they work differently than the rest of the OS. Once again, do what Apple did and come up with better UI guidelines.
The default UI is standardized, the SDK provides so much scope for customizing . If you want a shiny UI wait for gingerbread.
10. Better market
Why can’t I queue downloads from the web? That would be awesome. How about a better way to navigate the store from my laptop? Despite the thousands of apps the Android Market hosts, it is stuck with the same problems as Apple’s iOS4. More importantly than any of the above, Google needs to innovate here. Change the way mobile markets work Google and you could win this war.
Desktop market browsing is about to be released. (get out from that rock and watch GoogleIO 2010). Downloads DO get queued

Gingerbread deatils leak, includes redesigned UI and video chat

We’ve heard countless reports that it’s out there. We know it’s still in development and we know some Googlers have it loaded onto their Nexus Ones. I’m talking about the Android Gingerbread update, of course, and we can finally bring you the first details regarding the next iteration courtesy of our trusted source close to Google. The biggest change – outside of built-in video chat support (more on that later) – that many have been wondering about has been a possible graphical overhaul. The acquisition of ex-Palm user interface expert Matias Duarte – the guy that designed the still-pretty webOS – implied that Google would be looking to pretty Android up against criticism that it was noticably “uglier” than the competition (they may have an argument up against iOS, but I don’t think Symbian, Windows Mobile (6.5) and Blackberry OS are any prettier. No offense to those respective design teams.)
Regardless of what we think, though, Google’s set out to change the face of Android and they’ve started quite subtly. To start, most of the standard icons have gotten redesigned for a simpler and cleaner look. The Android debugging icon, for instance, now takes on a more 8-bit feel and doesn’t stand out like a sore thumb as it used to. Google’s really gone back to the easel in this area, apparently. It sounds miniscule when you think about it now, but you’ll really notice it after using Gingerbread for a while and notice that everything’s just easier on your eyes. The icons also look like they were all designed by the same person, and I’m betting they were. This not only makes for a cleaner looking Android, but makes for a more uniform Android.
The snapshot of this thing in the wild is as blurry as blurry can get, but we’re working on getting more. At first glance, the graphical changes will be especially noticeable on the notification bar. They’ve gone from the milky/egg-white look of the Android of current to a warm, slate grey (reminiscent of the taskbar on devices with Samsung’s TouchWiz UI.) Everything looks pretty familiar upon pulling the notification bar down, but the carrier branding is displayed a lot more prominently compared to before. Beyond that, it’s pretty apparent that Google’s embracing “green” as the color of choice for Android, just as we’d expect they’d want to. (The mascot and logo are green, why not bits of the OS?) As they bring more green in, they haven’t completely done away with the orange we’re all used to. Depending on what’s being displayed, you’ll still see that warm color roaming about.
Looking at the homescreen, things are fundamentally the same. (We expect that, of course. Widgets have become a huge part of the Android experience and it’d be foolish to do anything to compromise that angle.) Looking at it, though, we’re greeted with more of the green highlights at the bottom of the screen. The application drawer button remains the same, but the Browser and Dialer buttons go from a quiet gray to a standout lime. There isn’t much else to talk about here, but anything could be added between now and the time Google’s ready to build the final version of this gingery house.
From what we’ve heard from our source, one of Google’s goals this time around is to work on the look and feel of individual Google apps to make them seem like more of an extension of the OS than just a tacked on accessory. The YouTube app is among the few to get this treatment. They’ve reportedly reshuffled elements and sections throughout the app and made sure it was as visually appealing as the rest of the apps featured in the newest version. YouTube (which will finally get stepped up to version 2.x) will also add the ability to control the fairly new “Lean Back” version of their site that launches the video-driven social network in a full-screen continous play mode. An ideal use-case sees the user controlling Lean Back on the newly-launched Google TV right from their phone. We’re trying to get more screens and details on how this will work, but we’ll just have to use our imagination for now.
Graphical changes continue where Google’s added the “bouncy” effect that you see on iOS devices and on TouchWiz 3.0 devices when traversing lists. When you reach the top or bottom of a list via kinetic scrolling, it’ll bounce off of the edge and initiate an orange glow at that edge. The best way to visualize the effect is to picture a force field in a Sci-Fi movie absorbing shock and emitting a nice glow that translates to “nuh-uh, you can’t touch this.” It sounds like a lot of this wouldn’t do well to help overall system performance, but we hear that – despite all of the eye candy – things actually feel smoother than on Froyo and earlier. It’s long been rumored that Google would be implementing hardware acceleration (what makes iOS smoother despite similarities in hardware against high-end Androids) in future versions of Android, and while we can’t confirm that at this point, it sounds like that just might be the case with Gingerbread. Other subtle visual changes include a style change in radio buttons and checkmarks. They’re bigger, cleaner, greener, and more beautiful. Nothing to get excited over, but even the smallest pieces contribute to a beautifully-finished puzzle. For what it’s worth, we’re told Gingerbread will eventually end up with a user interface that’s more like Sense than anything. (We believe they mean by how much will be different compared to what we now know and love as the stock Android experience.)
It’s not all about the visuals, though, because Google’s working to add even more functionality at the core of Android. Perhaps the biggest addition (that we can confirm so far) has been support for video chat using the same protocols that powers video chat on the desktop version of Google Talk. We’ve heard this rumor before, but our source is confident that this will be up and running by the time Gingerbread hits the net. Building upon that, we’ve also learned that Google’s adding SIP support in their Google Voice application to allow you to receive calls to your Google Voice number over WiFi and cellular data. For those who use Android devices without a voice plan, this means you can still use your phone as a phone as long as you’re near a WiFi connection. Nothing groundbreaking considering there are many VoIP options in the market currently, but it’s notable that Google’s adding this support natively. We’ve heard that the actual updated Voice application might not be ready for Gingerbread’s release, but the underlying framework has already been checked in. Unfortunately, it sounds like this’ll be a Gingerbread-exclusive feature so you Google Voice fans on Froyo and earlier (everyone, as of now) shouldn’t get too excited just yet.
So the ingredients are still being thrown into the bowl, but it hasn’t all been baked up yet. Still, it sounds like Gingerbread is coming along nicely and is everything it was rumored to be, and more. We’re digging for more information and evidence – including video of some sort – so stayed tuned to Phandroid as we head a bit deeper into development. (An announcement and release for Gingerbread was originally scheduled for Q4 2010, but might not rear its head until Q1 2011. The verdict is still out on all of that.)
PS: Remember that these are just early details of what we can confirm will be a part of Gingerbread. There may very well be more, but for now we can’t confirm that (and as it stands, all of it is rumored until otherwise officially announced.) With that in mind, sound off below!
Source: http://phandroid.com/2010/10/18/exclusive-first-android-gingerbread-details/

The VOIP in Voice and Google Talk video chat is great.
I see that they have also worked on some UI changes but it seems that it's still largely the same with minor changes. But I like that there will be some new superficial UX animations, I just hope that a orientation change animation is in the works -- the way it just suddenly changes feels a little... wack. I was hoping for a Google TV like UI, not exactly the same, just a similar simple, dark, glow-ish aesthetic. On a good note, there might be hardware acceleration and since they are still developing on the Nexus One as the base, our weak GPU's should be safe for at least another Android release.

thanks for the update..
hope to hear more details soon.

Thanks for the TLDR

Hardware acceleration and native video chatting would be excellent additions. Interesting to see how long carriers will wait to release this, if at all, with current devices.

khov07 said:
Hardware acceleration and native video chatting would be excellent additions. Interesting to see how long carriers will wait to release this, if at all, with current devices.
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Luckily we have Cyanogen's support. We'll see it sooner or later regardless of what Sprint/HTC do.

Thanks for the update..
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No problem can't wait till this is release

I wonder how our Evo's will do with a crappier gpu.

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I wonder how our Evo's will do with a crappier gpu.
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That's what I'm wondering. D:
Thinking of waiting to see if Sprint gets a Gingerbread device within the next year. I mean, the evo could upgrade to it if the minimum specs are correct, but I think it's be rather slow/disappointing.

Guys have faith in our EVO if they can put 2.2 on the G1, then our EVO will rock out with gingerbread. Hardware limitations broke the boundary with the G1. No doubt in my mind are we sitting in the still after 6 months the best phone to have on android. If you don't believe me I found the source code for gingerbread and I made an alpha Rom with sense in it. Check out the pic. KINDA BLURRY.
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...ok its not real but I had to since phandroid had a blurry picture of gingerbread out in the wild. Call it an omagè,.. It was just a joke. I'm running the MYN RLS2 Rom (2.2) that can be found in the development page. But bottom line I'm amazed by what are developers can do with what we got and I'm confident that gingerbread will make its way to the evo. Makes me wonder what would happen if our devs had developing as there full time job?

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I wonder how our Evo's will do with a crappier gpu.
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If the article is correct, and that's a big if, then Google is developing and running Gingerbread on the Nexus One which has the same GPU as the EVO. Besides, look at WP7, the UI has some smoooth looking animations and all the phones pretty much use the same GPU/CPU as the EVO too. Here's hoping that it holds up well.

crappier gpu, really its a damn phone you guys will never be happy

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crappier gpu, really its a damn phone you guys will never be happy
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You really shouldn't be on this forum if this is just a phone to you, go back to the phone with more geee beees!
The evo has a higher fps rate than probably your computer, this is the next computer, over time, your computer will be in your hand and make phone calls. This will be a on going trend.
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!

I still haven't seen any problem with our "crappy" gpu. I don't play 3d games so maybe that is it, but other graphics and animations are fine

evohack99 said:
You really shouldn't be on this forum if this is just a phone to you, go back to the phone with more geee beees!
The evo has a higher fps rate than probably your computer, this is the next computer, over time, your computer will be in your hand and make phone calls. This will be a on going trend.
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!
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Easy there tough guy custom built my pc, and enjoying my six cores oc'ed to 3.6ghz, right along with my two ATI 4870 don't assume things, while I do play games on here sometimes, I'm not obessesing over newer hardware that is not even out.....grow up
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Hey evohack99, don't you have a gizmodo phone tournament to vote on
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jxr94 said:
I still haven't seen any problem with our "crappy" gpu. I don't play 3d games so maybe that is it, but other graphics and animations are fine
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Put a Epic 4G and a EVO side to side, now put matching live wallpapers on both. Tell me which is smoother. Throw in LP's 3D app drawer and the gap will be even more apparent. I have hope that Gingerbread will run fine but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't buttery smooth either.

I want to have sex with Gingerbread

mikeDCMDVA said:
I want to have sex with Gingerbread
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You might have a chance soon, Christmas is coming!!

Award Tour said:
Put a Epic 4G and a EVO side to side, now put matching live wallpapers on both. Tell me which is smoother. Throw in LP's 3D app drawer and the gap will be even more apparent. I have hope that Gingerbread will run fine but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't buttery smooth either.
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I have no problems with live wallpapers and 3d drawer. I use it most of the time.

TF300T - Personal Thoughts And Why You Should Get One

Hey guys, I have seen many posts of people asking why should they buy a TF300T, what is good and what isn't, so I decided to create this post to share my personal experience with this device.
I bought this tablet back in July 2012. At the moment I had some money saved, waiting for something I like to pop up and to be able to buy it.
I've always been a kind of "techy" person. I have a desktop computer that I built myself piece by piece running Windows and Ubuntu (my favorite OS). I'm also familiar with various programming languages, on both OS's. At the moment, the only Android device I had (and the very first one) was a Sony Ericsson Xperia x10 Mini, all unlocked and running Gingerbread and full speed (I just loved flashing ROM and tweaking my little baby to the top). At the time I though tablets were kind of useless... After all, they are just extra-big Android phones that people just use to show off and which only purpose was to play silly games and visit Facebook, having to pay an exuberant amount of money just to buy them.
I was aware of the existence of Transformers - I liked them from the first moment
I set eyes on a video-presentation - but they were just too expensive.
One day I was surfing on an online shop and I found TF300T. I couldn't believe what I was sawing. A quad-core Transformer, 32GB of internal memory, 1GB of RAM, Ice Cream Sandwich, and 500€... Dock included. It was cheaper than an iPad 2, and had a dock with an extra battery and USB port. Not to mention SD-card's and HDMI. Some days later watching reviews and thinking about playing with ROMs, Java and HTML made me decide: I was going to buy a Transformer!
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The first impressions
The first time I used this tablet was magical. Everything worked as expected - it was fast, and the dock was just like I expected it to be. The tablet just felt good in my hands. The rear camera is amazing, at least in my opinion: great image quality. The screen has amazing colors and is really snappy (although it is kind of a fingerprint magnet).
Although it was good, there were some problems with it: browsing was extremely slow (in the beginning I didn't noticed this much because it was my first time with a tablet) and apps kept force closing, which was kind of annoying. Well, nothing that couldn't be solved with an custom ROM: but that would have to wait some time. There was also the problem with I/O. Transferring files with the cable was a pain in the ass: the only way I was able to transfer files to the device with efficiency was using Airdroid.
ASUS, the mighty ASUS
One of the things that I really liked (and was surprised by) was how ASUS handled its devices. Let's start with the software on the tablet.On my x10 Mini, Sony putted a lot of crappy software on it, that had nothing that other apps on Market couldn't do, filled the device internal storage/RAM and that were just annoying. They didn't even included a file manager, one of the basic things all devices should have! But that's not what happens on my TF300T - not at all. The tablet came with a super-useful-and-user-friendly-and-awesome file manager (that I use until now), a complete Office suite, an app for taking notes (one of my favorite from ASUS apps) Supernote, and app for backups, for locking other apps so nobody could open them without a password, Splashtop (watch me using Office and playing games on my tab), an amazing swipe-able keyboard with a super-friendly layout, among others. And the wallpapers! One that changes according with the time and weather, another with the battery juice, and one for slide-showing all your photos.
And now, the support. ASUS is the best regarding software updates: we were the first tablet having JellyBean, not to mention regular updates. And unlike Sony, ASUS seems to care about its older devices. Also, ASUS releases the source code of their ROMS: a developer dream.
ASUS also released their own tool to unlock their devices, making the task really easy. And, besides all their warnings about warranty, they still honor it if its proven not to be our fault to damage the device.
Unlocking, installing custom ROM's, Developers, Kernels
After a couple of months using the tab without any hardware problems, I decided to unlock. I read in the forums about some people that weren't able to unlock it, but everything went smooth. Reading instructions on the forum with extreme care, I was able to install TWRP in minutes and get a new ROM installed.I couldn't believe how fast my tablet became. Using CleanROM / Hydro / CM9/10 without a custom kernel proved to be like a miracle to the tablet. I can't explain how much has changed, you can only tell by using it before and after. It was a HUGE difference.
A few days ago, I decided to try a new kernel. I read a lot about untermensch's kernel and decided to go for it. The tablet just went from perfect to heaven-like. I can now reproduce 1080p movies WITHOUT ANY GLITCH AT ALL! It's just so amazing!
This tablet also has a big level of development, New (and good) ROMs keep appearing, along with mods and kernels to make our tab even better, if possible. This makes me really happy about this device. Of course, if you have the 3G version of the tablet, you probably won't be so happy. The development for it is almost nonexistent.
Camera
The 8MP rear camera of the tablet is awesome. It has a great image quality. But what really make me love it was the fact that it takes pictures so fast and is able to capture perfectly "things moving". Bellow you have a photo I took on a cyclist competition. I also would like to advert you to not go and take pictures with this beats at a public event like I did if you don't to end up with lots of people staring at you.
The video recording is astonishing. It records at 1080p and has perfect image quality.
Games
I'm not so much of a gamer, but all the games I tried to play with it ran smoothly and fine. Of course I don't play "hardcore" games, I prefer to stick with Cut The Rope, Angry Birds, Granny Smith and so on.
Once I installed GTA Vice City just to test it out and the game ran pretty well. The dock helped a lot when playing (specially for cheats )
Battery
Having a second battery on the dock, and being big, this tablet has a huge battery capacity, and can stay turned on for days with average use. Here's a print of my battery usage stats using CM10.
Final thoughts
If I didn't buy a tablet and was to buy one now, I would definitely buy this tablet again. It can do anything and even more. In the beginning, when I though that a tablet was useless, I was SO wrong. I ended up downloading torrents, playing lots of games, browsing every website, taking notes and lots of photos, even office stuff like spreadsheets. I pretty much do ANYTHING with it. It's so portable (because of its battery), flexible thanks to the dock and it's software and so stable. I take it everywhere I go (even to the bathroom - that's one of the things this tablet to best - take the place of a newspaper :laugh: ).
That's all I have to say about my tablet. I hope I helped you decide if you should or not get one TF300T. I'll keep updating this post with thinks I did with my tablet and maybe some hints. I would also like to thank all the developers that helped making this tablet such a marvelous device. Sea! :angel:

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Are you high?

Seriously?
Its one of the worst and slowest tablets I've used.
I really like android but this is a sad tablet. Even iPad one is better.
Don't review ever again.
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hurricurry said:
Seriously?
Its one of the worst and slowest tablets I've used.
I really like android but this is a sad tablet. Even iPad one is better.
Don't review ever again.
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Lol, you didn't try CLEANROM then did you. I'm happy to say my benchmarks are in the mid 17,000s and I've got a quadrant score of 7222. That my friend is nothing to sneeze at.
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Galaxy Gear vs. SmartWatch 2 vs. Omate TrueSmart

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Samsung Galaxy Gear is awesome, being able to root, use the Play Store, set your own launcher and all is great. After all, it's based on Jelly Bean (4.1.2 - I believe), but it's limited in many ways compared to the alternatives, and limited to certain devices... The Galaxy Gear is priced at $299.
The Sony SmartWatch 2 is limited in functionality, as far as we know, however I won't knock it as not too many people stateside have gotten their hands on one. That's at a $199 price point.
The Omate TrueSmart, (a KickStarter Funded Project that's available for Pre-Order w/ Dec. Shipping) on is a lot like the Galaxy Gear but has ruggedized properties, runs Android 4.2.2, has capability of running the Play Store (see below, as Lokifish Mars explains), water resistant, has a microphone, camera, speaker, is rootable, Bluetooth, microSD card support, and can even be used as a standalone phone, has complete stock Android interface, with add-ons for $299 w/ the higher RAM option.
To me its a no-brainer, Omate TrueSmart, right???
I own a prehistoric Sony Smartwatch, like the idea of smart watches, but what's with all the hype over the Gear? Why not go with the TrueSmart??? The Pebble seems stupid to me, only because for the price, it doesn't do THAT much for $199 and I'd rather spend $100 more on something more functional, even though I'll loose out on the super e-Ink low energy battery life technology. If money grows on trees in your family, buy them all if that's what makes you happy, but I'm just trying to be practical...
Yes, Google will probably release a smartwatch pretty soon, with Google Now/Search, but I doubt it'll be fully Android featured like the TrueSmart...
And I'm sure Apple will release an iWatch that has a clockface, pause/play button, and a few other features, (Siri with luck) for $129, and call it the First (using a stupid word like...) Innovative or Intellectual smartphone companion watch, and Samsung will eat them alive in court while Sony, Pebble, and Omate watch and eat popcorn while Samsung fights.
Excuse the large images, xda needs an image resizer, and I really don't feel like resizing them myself and reuploading... too much work, bleh...
*Please don't quote this entire OP, just reply, thank you! This thread is way to long for that*
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Yes, it is a no-brainer.
And where did you find that the gear could be rooted? Is a root available already?

That URL shows the top smartwatches, sweet! Omate TrueSmart beats them all for the most part. Also, the Gear can be rooted, xda thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2480429
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deedscreen said:
That URL shows the top smartwatches, sweet! Omate TrueSmart beats them all for the most part. Also, the Gear can be rooted, xda thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2480429
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Thank you, updated the website to show that. But yes, the TrueSmart ousts pretty much all of them, in nearly every category. It's ridiculous.

They still haven't figured out how to get the internet working on the gear as far as I know. Since it doesn't have wifi they have to figure out how to get it through bluetooth.
Either way, here's my opinion.
Get the Omate if you want something that can do more than be an accessory to your phone. Or if you want an accessory that has the most rooting and messing around with potential. It blows the others out of the water in terms of specs.
Get the Gear if you just strictly want an accessory, and maybe want to run specific apps on it. If you really want to get into rooting and stuff you'll probably want it to have the sensors and radios it doesn't have. I find that with my Motoactv...I want it to have a cellular antenna so it has internet all the time, no wifi or bluetooth messing around. Yeah, it's still totally rad, but it could be BETTER. Enter the Omate.
Get the Sony if you want strictly an accessory. Stay away even if you have the slightest inclination to mess around with it cause you can't. It's running on a proprietary OS. If however it does everything you want, I'd get it over the gear to save some money and get a slimmer device.

It feels like Omate vs. Sony Smartwatch/Gear is like Android vs. iOS respectively, why limit yourself, especially when you're paying around the same price... If the device is so limited, why price it with the big boys?
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I have used the gear and it's a great toy but this really is a no brainer.
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deedscreen said:
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Sadly this is not correct. Here's what we do know.
TrueSmart will initially ship with it's own app store.
No version of Android 4.3.1 and lower will ever officially support Google Services (Play Store, Gmail app and so on) on smartwatches like the TrueSmart. This now leaves only versions of Android that haven't even been announced yet and tells folks that if they are running 4.3.1 or lower then they will not have official Google Services.
A PC based app, root or custom recovery is being looked at to allow non-developer editions running 4.3.1 or lower the ability to push unofficial Google Services to the TrueSmart.
Here's what we don't know
Will Android 4.4 or higher support smartwatches like the TrueSmart.
Will the TrueSmart receive certification for Android 4.4 or higher to include official Google Services.
Why does my cat like eating plastic.
*All that aside I still think the TrueSmart is a more capable device out of the box. The specs also allow for a more long term lifespan with regards to Android versions and apps updates.

@Lokifish Marz That is true, I saw a Play demo, and what I read about the Play store was unofficial, and Loki - it's been a while, since the Photon days haha. (OP updated).
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deedscreen said:
@Lokifish Marz That is true, I saw a Play demo, and what I read about the Play store was unofficial, and Loki - it's been a while, since the Photon days haha. (I'll update OP).
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It has been a while. Five different devices later and I ended up back on the Photon.
With repos dropping off for Ubuntop I figured it was time to move on and will be on two different smartwatches for the foreseeable future. The TS will be my main device though.

Marz is dead on.
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Smartwatch Comparison – Samsung Galaxy Gear Vs Omate TrueSmart Vs Sony SmartWatch 2 V
Check out this comparison. This has covered Samsung Galaxy Gear, Omate TrueSmart, Sony SmartWatch 2, Pebble Smartwatch.
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raghav280392 said:
Check out this comparison. This has covered Samsung Galaxy Gear, Omate TrueSmart, Sony SmartWatch 2, Pebble Smartwatch.
teknosrc[dot]com/smartwatch-comparison-samsung-galaxy-gear-vs-omate-truesmart-vs-sony-smartwatch-2-vs-pebble-smartwatch/
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Unfortunately, the comparison is based on a tech spec which is useless. You need a hands'on comparison from someone who has been using these watches for awhile.

the Omate TrueSmart isn't a no-brainer for everyone, it all depends on what you want from your (smart)watch
i have the smartwatch 2 now, but i wouldn't even call it a smartwatch, it's just a second display, the real magic happens on your phone and it can't do much without it
but that's fine with me, all i wanted from a smartwatch, when i first found out they existed, is:
1) it can act as a watch (duh )
2) not be huge, preferably less then 10mm thick
3) display notifications coming from my phone (facebook/twitter/whatsapp/etc)
4) have a battery life of at least 3-4 days
5) be waterproof
that really hasn't changed, i don't need a watch to replace my smartphone
i'm not going to read email/news/etc or surf the wen on my watch, my Butterfly S is perfect for that, 5 inch 1080p screen, not even the Neptune Pine comes close
the sw2 does most of those things right, but it doesn't seem like Sony is too interested in making it a success, releasing it without options shown in presentations and even on the box it comes in
the latest update has solved some issues and some watch faces were added, but overall i'm not impressed
and a really big one: the fact it fell apart within 2 months
and it's happening quite a lot, plenty of posts on xda and sony mobile forum, some even reported it falling apart after 3 days!
that's why i think for me the HOT Watch is a 'no-brainer', it does all those 5 things, with as added bonus, the private call function. i'm really looking forward trying that out
maybe in couple of years, smartwatches will replaces smartphones, but that will need flexible displays and much better batteries

I can only speak from an experience of reading about Gear and SW2, and having TS for a few days
Gear and SW2 will have all the notification working as expected tethered to your phone, and rooting Gear will give you a true android experience, although battery life is not that good. Plus, try to go outside with Gear shoveling snow (we just got our first storm in NJ), and getting it wet - forget 'bout it. Proprietary charger is not ideal either. Sony SW2 sounds like having a lot of build quality issues; it's alarming when I read posts on xda about screen coming off, etc. It should work fine with notifications (I talked to Augmented SW Pro developer - it's fully supported), you get some level of waterproof protection, regular micro-usb charging, and you can run some apps on it, but obviously it's not a true Android experience. I also like an idea of time always being displayed on SW2.
True Smart, hard to form an impression yet since I just installed Loki's ROM and can only use it as a mini android wifi device on my wrist. I don't have GSM sim card, on Verizon with CDMA, and personally think it makes no sense to drain your battery with 3G or even wi-fi use. It is a stand alone mini android watch so you can run different apps, browse the web, check emails, type on it, etc. But since I have a developers edition sent to me for review purpose, the software is not currently available. I mean, there is no way for me to have bt connection to my Note 2 to push notifications - the #1 purpose of any smart watch as a remote display of your out-of-sight phone. At the current moment, I can't properly review it until the final release of firmware and companion phone app is available. In general, the camera is really useful as POV action video cam, but awkward to take pictures. Bracelet is made out of a very cheap rubber material. The watch is a bit bulky, but it feels VERY solid inside of metal casing. Display is responsive, and the issues I'm seeing (like sometime back swipe from within apps doesn't respond as Back android key) probably due to firmware issues. Once a final firmware/software is released - this smartwatch going to SHINE!!! But until then, I will wait before writing my review. It's funny how a lot of people pre-ordered Dev edition in hope to receive it asap, but getting it earlier doesn't mean they can start enjoying it to full potential right away.

GG has 4.2.2 lol

Interesting to read these posts--in the light of current Non-News from Omate--I realise that @vectron and @lokifish have both got their hands on versions of the TrueSmart but, most of the rest of us are still waiting to form any sort of opinion.
Some folks talk about 'asking for refunds' based on some negative feedback, delivery date shenanigans, etc.. but I am still waiting, fairly patiently, to really find out what the Omate is all about.
P.S. I found @ClearD's website with comparisons of most current Smartwatches very interesting--thanks.

For me, its the Truesmart. I don't want a big phone and the 5" phones are so powerful now that the screen isn't capable of keeping up. For example, Injustice: Gods Among Us and other HD games can't be fully appreciated on a phone. Surfing the web is a pain.
So I've switched to using a tablet for games, surfing, watching movies etc. I will use the watch for simple things like picking up MMS, emails, phone calls etc while I'm out the house. If I'm at the gym or out for a run, I don't need to bring a phone, I'll just wear the watch.
If I'm travelling, I'll take my tablet and use the watch to create a WiFi hotspot.
This means I don't need amazing specs from the watch but the stand alone phone function and ability to create a WiFi hotspot are critical. I will upgrade my tablet instead of my phone, which is a much cheaper option - new tablets cost £200-£300, whereas new phones are £600ish.
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I had a Sony smartwatch 2, it was a boring device and I don't know why. Today I have a Galaxy gear and I love it, now that we can enable notifications for every app, I really love it. I am considering buying a Qualcom Toq, does anyone have one and want to share your opinions?
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HOT Watch smartwatch [UPDATE: VIDEO! JULY 31st 2014]

i think this watch deserves it's own topic (and no, i don't have shares or any ties with them )
original kickstarter project here
now that i have had the Sony Smartwatch 2 for a month or so, i'm glad i backed this project
yes, the SW2 has apps and a color screen, so?
it's not like many of the apps are useful anyway
no microphone, no speaker, no response from Sony on reported issues/wishes
and i really don't need a smartwatch to replace my phone, tasks like browsing, reading email, news, etc and playing games are perfect on the 5 inch screen of my Butterfly S, so i don't really need a big color screen
there are 5 things i want from a watch
-long battery life, 4-5 days minimum
-thin, about 8-9mm should be the max
-a lot of choice in watch faces, being able to design them myself would be the ultimate, all of them should show time+date, extra info like weather would be nice (like min/max temp for the day)
-handle calls
-show important mail/whatsapp/twitter/facebook notifications (from people i find important)
the HOT Watch does most of them, i especially like the way it handles calls
you can pre-order the watch since a couple of weeks
pics of the 4 models (Basic, Classic, Edge and Curve):
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Features (copied from kickstarter):
-Private calls amplified by the palm of your hand
-Speakerphone
-Voice activated calling and other phone control using your phone’s native voice recognition such as iPhone SIRI
-Receive and reply to Messages (SMS, Email, Facebook and Twitter)
-Music player remote control (for your phone’s native player)
-Multiple dial faces
-Automatic fast contacts sync
-Caller ID
-Audible and silent vibrating alarms and alerts
-Pedometer: Record running, walking, steps climbed, calories burned
-Fall detection with automatic text to emergency number (unless cancelled in 30 seconds)
-LED illumination
-Note capture: captures your handwriting on the watch face
-Tactile vibration feedback
-HOT Proximity Alerts: Never leave your phone behind and prevent theft
-Find your phone with remote beep
-Built-in LED Flashlight (ONLY in Curve)
-Water Resistant
-Multi-touch projected capacitive screen (Skim finger above glass to change screens)
if any info is missing/incomplete, let me know and i'll add it
update may 2nd 2014:
Essential Functionality Android Phone App SDK is available.
https://www.hotsmartwatch.com/developers/ess-android-sdk/
update july 31st
finally a decent video, showing an actual production model
also, the first kickstarters should be receiving their watches
finally!
edit: and the android app is available, in the play store
update august 12th
sdk is available here

Hot watch
JarlSX said:
i think this watch deserves it's own topic (and no, i don't have shares or any ties with them )
original kickstarter project here
now that i have had the Sony Smartwatch 2 for a month or so, i'm glad i backed this project
yes, the SW2 has apps and a color screen, so?
it's not like many of the apps are useful anyway
no microphone, no speaker, no response from Sony on reported issues/wishes
and i really don't need a smartwatch to replace my phone, tasks like browsing, reading email, news, etc and playing games are perfect on the 5 inch screen of my Butterfly S, so i don't really need a big color screen
there are 5 things i want from a watch
-long battery life, 4-5 days minimum
-thin, about 8-9mm should be the max
-a lot of choice in watch faces, being able to design them myself would be the ultimate, all of them should show time+date, extra info like weather would be nice (like min/max temp for the day)
-handle calls
-show important mail/whatsapp/twitter/facebook notifications (from people i find important)
the HOT Watch does most of them, i especially like the way it handles calls
I too have backed this Kickstarter project, I think this watch will be great for formal occasions. Nice looking sleek and thin unlike Omates true smart watch ,that I backed also,but will only use for outdoorsy stuff,kayaking ,swimming ,beach,etc.
TBO it does sound like you have a vested interest in the Hot watch. I agree , great looking watch but it does not have that much more on the competition except looks. I really doubt if there will as many Apps as there is available for the Pebble, only due to the popularity of Pebble compared to Hot,first to the starting line I guess
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i don't care for apps, really. like i said, it doesn't need to replace my smartphone at all, i just want a watch with some additional functionality
the HOT Watch doesn't even run apps, does it? or very limited
i just hope there will be plenty watch faces to choose from or have the ability to design/add them myself
ps: would you mind removing the quoted part? don't need all those pics twice... thanks

A sdk is coming out. I was hoping more excitement and buzz for this watch..can't wait to get mine.
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i don't get it either, maybe once it's available in stores that people will start noticing?
i also don't understand why people prefer those clunky things on their wrists
i think it's too early for those mini-smartphone-on-your-wrist things, they need to make them (a lot) smaller/thinner first, use flexible displays, way better batteries, that kind of stuff
in the meantime, watches like the HOT Watch are ideal
IMHO ofcourse

I was close to getting the Omate. But I can't imagine charging twice or three times a day. Plus the private is pretty cool.. We need tasker support out the box or early on.
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Two more e-paper watches
Two more e-paper watches from China:
(1) Sonostar - http://www.sonostar.com/Smartwatch/Specificaion
(2) Tomoon - http://www.tomoon.cn/index (No English)
Dunno what processor these two watches use.
E-paper watches should be more battery frugal because power is only used when the screen is refreshed. However, e-paper screen refresh rate is low (< 15 fps) so don't expect fluid youtube video or game playing (if these are ever possible), and there is "ghost" problem during refresh. Also the older e-ink / e-paper devices don't have night light, but the latest models eg. Kindle Paperwhite and Kobo Glo have front light (e-paper is opaque and doesn't use back lighting).

Ryan Cordero said:
I was close to getting the Omate. But I can't imagine charging twice or three times a day. Plus the private is pretty cool.. We need tasker support out the box or early on.
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If you are talking about Omate, the correct statement would be charging every 2-3 days, NOT 2-3 times a day. I think you mixed it up with Gear (which btw last more than 24hr on a single charge)
Regarding HOT Watch, I can tell you from experience of owning MetaWatch and Omate TS, as well as reading plenty about Pebble at the time of the release - when it comes to KS projects, their focus is to deliver hardware first with unfinished software/apps. After all the delays and final release of hardware, all users become beta testers of software, and often they rely on XDA and other developers to release custom ROMs and write their own software. I don't expect HOT to be any different, although would love to be proven wrong. Even big guys like Sammy and Sony can't get fully functionality software out of the door with hardware release. As I said, every company just wants to get to a final hardware production to start shipping the units. Then, software will follow up.

Two to three days sounds good but what kind of use are you doing? Screen on times ect.
I was hoping the hot will get the support level the pebble did as I like the ts a lot but not quite sold on it yet.
hoping Google will announce something this coming year.
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Ryan Cordero said:
Two to three days sounds good but what kind of use are you doing? Screen on times ect.
I was hoping the hot will get the support level the pebble did as I like the ts a lot but not quite sold on it yet.
hoping Google will announce something this coming year.
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Not as much use yet, with heavy use realistically it will probably be a day considering this is a real android "smartphone" on your wrist
Regarding Pebble, it only took them what, 8-9 months, million$ of investment, and being sold in Best Buy, Amazon, AT&T stores, etc.
I do agree with you, once Google will release something, it will be at a reasonable price (obviously subsidized) and will have a working native android software from get-go.

@slim_thumb that sonostar watch looks pretty decent actually, nice resolution as well
but you still can't order it, there's a video of over 6 months old on youtube where they show a mockup, because that's all they had at that point, maybe still is a mockup
then again, it really doesn't do a whole lot more than my SW2
that's why i want the HOT watch, the private handsfree function seems ideal to me
@vectron you're probably right about the software, but as long as the hardware is right, they can always fix the software
Sony did release a reasonable update recently, but they're not there yet and their support is a mess
very interested in whatever google will come up with, but again, i think a watch with flexible display and (very) good battery life (and hopefully private handsfree function like the HOT watch has) will be the ultrimate (maybe HOT Watch 2 )
until then, i think i'll be very happy with the HOT watch

JarlSX said:
@vectron you're probably right about the software, but as long as the hardware is right, they can always fix the software
Sony did release a reasonable update recently, but they're not there yet and their support is a mess
very interested in whatever google will come up with, but again, i think a watch with flexible display and (very) good battery life (and hopefully private handsfree function like the HOT watch has) will be the ultrimate (maybe HOT Watch 2 )
until then, i think i'll be very happy with the HOT watch
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Please, keep us updated once you get yours!!!

will do, sadly i messed up my pledge, so had to resort to pre-order, so others will probably report sooner
really can't wait trying out the private call function!

Hi,
i've open a thread to discuss about hot smartwatch apps development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594890
Bye!
Daniele

Now classic and edge model are also avaible with leather band

can we keep the quoting to a minimum in this topic please?
@dang1 good idea, hope this watch will pick up some more attention once they present it on CES next week

I never thought of looking on here for threads about the hot smartwatch! Anyway, I'm a kickstarter backer and pretty excited Not much from CES yet, but hopefully soon!

So where are all the photos and videos from ces?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQ8srDLk9U

And this: http://youtu.be/I8PjQwwpoFQ