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Boy Genius Reports goes off the deep end.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/09/google-android-personal-thoughts/
Simply pathetic.

i like how he said the fact that iPhone's OS is more human and less analytical than that of the android. What a ****ing joke.

Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away (Apple will up their screen resolution on the iPhone to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Apple is going to come out swinging.​
LOL! Apple fanboys are really getting scared! I love my iPhone but come on man up and admit Android is coming up pretty fast and could even show Apple how **** should be done!
Gonna love got the comments!

Given that iphone os been around for about 3 years now and andriod maybe 1.5? Iphone didnt even have mms until 3.0 so some one should tell them that. Also did anyone read a pathetic post on engadget about flash on android? Sounds like the guy is piss that his iphone prob wont get flash anytime soon.

I don't know if all these sites writers use iPhones and their world is crumbling around them or what but it's pretty damn crazy out there right now.

"you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment."
lol not so true! i slept part of the night with mine next to my pillow hahahaha! but yeah he is seriously hating right now like this quote makes no ****ing sense. In the past 2 years i have had
a blackberry Pearl to blackberry Curse 8320 to G1 back Pearl to Curve to MT3G to BOLD 9700 to Nexus one and so far BY FAR my favorit is the N1 it does have plenty of "emotions" and lil cool quirks
ONE THING i did notice though is that every review out there by a non Android website as been less then exciting, i feel like Gizmodo gave the MT3G a way better review to the MT3G then Nexus One in comparaison.

"you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment."
WTF? Ok first of all, if you are that much emotional attach to your iphone or bb, you need help, get out and meet some ppl and maybe sleep with ppl and not phones. And what is he talking about ppl would die for their bb? More like the bb die on their ppl more often then not. I love all my phones, I got too many of them but none I have emotional attachment to it, if I'm bored with it and if it can still fetch me a nice price, bye bye phone, doesnt matter if it iphone, android, winmo or bb.

he makes some intriguing points but most of what he wrote is rubbish...

"People would die for their iPhones"
Uhmm.... I wonder if someone said your iPhone or your life, what would that reviewer choose.

duncan888 said:
"People would die for their iPhones"
Uhmm.... I wonder if someone said your iPhone or your life, what would that reviewer choose.
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Prob their life? Fanboys are true extremist

I'm not sure I've met anyone who ever loved their BlackBerry..

kozm0naut said:
I'm not sure I've met anyone who ever loved their BlackBerry..
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Haha, I was thinking the same thing. Everyone I know that has Blackberries got them because they were free, either upgrade or corporate users and they all hate them.

JoshHart said:
I don't know if all these sites writers use iPhones and their world is crumbling around them or what but it's pretty damn crazy out there right now.
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Its baffling.
Every reviews filled with anger and massively biased opinion.
What kills me is that they arent upset about the price , or plan restrictions , or lack of a specific feature. They all seem to randomly pick things ((most of which arent even accurate)) and rant on about it while mentioning Iphone every other sentence.
Its pretty pathetic.

First of all, I do sleep with my phone but mostly because I like to read my email when I wake up. I've had three Android devices (G1, myTouch and now the N1) and would rather have a broken G1 than an iPhone. Okay, maybe not quite to that extreme but the writer's review is tremendously flawed. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but to say the N1 is a bad phone is just plain hating. If I was an iPhone lover I'd at least admit that the N1 is nice. I mean seriously, it's such a beautiful phone and worth every penny I paid. And PS, people aren't going to run out and get an Apple tablet thingy like they did the iPhone. Remember, the iPhone is subsidized. Tablet devices will not be. So even if the Apple tablet is the greatest device ever, Apple will have a hard time selling a non-essential device with such a high price tag.

Good article in my opinion.
The iPhone's shortfalls are commonly known. It's nice to see someone list Android's for a change rather than pretending that all is fine and dandy. A lack of polish. That is pretty much what it boils down to. It's something that I've noticed from watching videos of Android devices, there isn't much consistency in the UI. When I first saw pictures of 2.1 and heard about the "Google Phone" I was hoping this would be solved. Sadly it hasn't been, but you can tell Google are working on it. The home screen, program tray and gallery all tie in together now and they just need to tie the rest together.
Personally I'm happy to see someone speaking their mind about Android and putting it in quite a good way. I'm in the process of choosing a new handset and it's opinions like these that I like reading, better than getting a nasty surprise when I try out the handset.

I have issues with the iPhone and Apple’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Apple has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.
Part of my main issue with the iPhone, and this applies slightly less to iPod Touch, is that there’s practically no logical sense with Apple when it comes to technology. Everything is touchy-feely and emotional . While you could argue that being this way is way superior to “statistical” and “analytical”– it might be 95% of the time — you still will almost always lose that logic and that amazing feeling of connecting to your network. People would be crazy to die for their android phones, but people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap what people think about their Android phone, there’s zero zombified worship like you see with Apple fanboys. The closest example would be Palm’s webOS. A great concept, besides Google’s android OS, it’s the fairly polished, the most friendly, and the most useful. Do you see that?
Hello. ****ing. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense. Plus, isn’t the point of all this technology to make everything feel more natural and more useful? I mean, that’s why we have robotic dogs that learn (shout out to Just Blaze and I for having Sony AIBOs), that’s why our car remembers our personal settings when we enter the cockpit, that’s why our TiVos know exactly what program we want to watch. And yet, with everything moving forward in the technology space, iPhone's continues to feel pretty but useless.
Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But the iPhone still feels half baked even after three years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-app running device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.
There are so many fundamental issues with iPhone’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Functionality is not a word you’ll find in the iPhone’s dictionary. How about the fact that all the application icons are the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that takes up space — I have no where to put widgits if Apple even saw fit to ever include them. It’s a small, but very important point that really reflects how poorly the iPhone is designed in some areas.
Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? Why can't I just click on text such as addresses and phone numbers from like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application and have it take me to Google maps or call that person? Oh, I can’t. The iPhone didn't even have copy and paste for two years — a joke!
iPhone vs iPod even doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Apple's Market for apps is a mess, and developers still have their apps pending approval for weeks. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a undisclosed 3gs CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.
For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense iPhone OS makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run iPhone over the Android? Multitouch? Ok, we’ll enable that in a matter of days! What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance Android 2.5 will be announced in literally weeks away (Google will up their screen resolution on the Nexus Two to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Google is going to come out swinging. iPhone isn’t a game changer. It’s a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access. That’s why even in iPhone OS 3.0, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.
I apologize for comparing this to the Android OS so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an android phone every day of my life since it first came out in addition to every BlackBerry ever available simultaneously, and I actually had an open mind about the Nexus One possibly replacing everyone's iPhone. I felt like maybe they will want more “freedom” and “flexibility” and not have to deal with Apple’s ridiculous train of thought sometimes. Some people are too plugged into the Apple ecosystem. Willing to paid out the ass to upgrade an entire library to non-DRM status, they can even use Exchange and Gmail, both are supported on the Nexus One — nothing is holding anyone back.
In the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for the iPhone really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on the iPhone are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on iPhone that is available on the Android pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the iPhone platform that’s better than the Android counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.
Seriously Apple, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Apple Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the iPhone since Apple baned them! — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s Apple is GOD like authority and accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the iPhone with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is rarely gets updated, poorly driven, overly policed, and because in typical Apple fashion, you’re sitting on to the 2 year old devices while everyone else comes out with new technowlogy. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Google's web browser is flawless. But there’s not a single application on iPhone that doesn’t have a fart or soundboard copy of its self.
Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future iPhone OS won’t be anything like what Google or another company can offer: coders are free to be designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Google's entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code.. but boy oh boy do they take their sweet time about it. That’s entirely different from someone who’s the best coder in the world and doesn't even have the choice to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with iPhone OS and why you won’t see applications of Android-quality on iPhone aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.
If an app like twidroid existed on iPhone, I think the Apple Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Apple iPhone hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks, maybe they'll finally allow multiple apps to run at the same time. Until Android 2.2 launches adding multitouch for the US as a simple software update. Then I’ll write another review.

...Holy shipwreck that was hard, I want to puch that guy in the face now...
BTW, I've always thought the iPhone was a good solid phone, I've just liked android better due to the high level of integration and sync-ability with my gmail and cal, etc, etc. I dunno why the iphone boys gotta have so much hate.

satchef1 said:
Good article in my opinion.
The iPhone's shortfalls are commonly known. It's nice to see someone list Android's for a change rather than pretending that all is fine and dandy. A lack of polish. That is pretty much what it boils down to. It's something that I've noticed from watching videos of Android devices, there isn't much consistency in the UI. When I first saw pictures of 2.1 and heard about the "Google Phone" I was hoping this would be solved. Sadly it hasn't been, but you can tell Google are working on it. The home screen, program tray and gallery all tie in together now and they just need to tie the rest together.
Personally I'm happy to see someone speaking their mind about Android and putting it in quite a good way. I'm in the process of choosing a new handset and it's opinions like these that I like reading, better than getting a nasty surprise when I try out the handset.
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LOL, putting it in quite a good way? Half the things in there aren't even true and then he compares the N1 to future devices that aren't even out yet haha. See this is exactly the worst part of this slanderish garbage, people believe it as fact.

satchef1 said:
Good article in my opinion.
The iPhone's shortfalls are commonly known. It's nice to see someone list Android's for a change rather than pretending that all is fine and dandy. A lack of polish. That is pretty much what it boils down to. It's something that I've noticed from watching videos of Android devices, there isn't much consistency in the UI. When I first saw pictures of 2.1 and heard about the "Google Phone" I was hoping this would be solved. Sadly it hasn't been, but you can tell Google are working on it. The home screen, program tray and gallery all tie in together now and they just need to tie the rest together.
Personally I'm happy to see someone speaking their mind about Android and putting it in quite a good way. I'm in the process of choosing a new handset and it's opinions like these that I like reading, better than getting a nasty surprise when I try out the handset.
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Totally agree.
And he doesn't even touch on some of the biggest issues with Android IMO.
I would add Google's "Big Brother is watching you approach" to the OS/phone and the lacking/poorly executed exchange support as additional problems with Android as a platform.
As far as the app market is concerned he really hits the nail on the head. Although the large majority of iphone apps is also crap, the small minority of useful apps really stands out. there is nothing that comes even close on WM or android and the developer support on these platforms is ... non-existent.
Good article and some good points. I wish Google would address them.

bofslime said:
I have issues with the iPhone and Apple’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Apple has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.
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One internets for you sir.

is it just me or Windows 7 looks ugly

I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?

mmmalas said:
I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?
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Couple of things:
• Still a prototype (room for lots of change)
• supposed to be really fast
• better integration
• more finger friendly
• however agreed, at this stage, it's quite plain but very
Some more info. <<HERE>>.

i dont like it at all
i think MS is thinking way too much social network capabilities. something we already have currently for which i personally hardly ever use. also the layout doesnt look straight forward and looks confusing or i just didn't seem to pay attention to it. i wont upgrade if that is how it gonna look like.

Just an FYI, It's Windows Phone 7 Series (WP7S) not Windows 7.
dwizzy130

Why do people have to moan so much? No-one has even tried the f*cking OS yet and they're already moaning about it. I suppose these people are all running Windows 1.0 and driving around in Austin Ambassadors.
There's nothing wrong with Microsoft integrating social network as this is the way of things: people are finding new ways to communicate all the time and phone OS's are adapting to this; you don't HAVE to use these facilities and they won't be obtrusive if you don't. You also have the option of sticking with Windows mobile as Microsoft will continue to supply it as they supply XP to netbook manufacturers.
Stop moaning about it: would you rather Microsoft just patched up the current Windows Mobile some more so that it finally dies the death that it is currently heading towards?? The new OS means better hardware support, meaning greater performance and speed. Don't like it? Get an iPhone, Android phone or stick with Windows Mobile 6...
The great thing is that now there is so much CHOICE. There is no point whingeing because the OS doesn't conform with your exacting standards, Microsoft I'm sure have worked hard to please as many people as possible as obviously this is a solid business model to conform to. If you don't like it, don't buy it....but at least give it a chance.
I was scornful of Windows 7 until I tried it.

It's really ugly, especially the screen with square and rectangle boxes of sms/call/mail info

Really?
I think it looks really good. If it has the responsiveness of my Zune HD then I think MS may have a real winner here.

it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...

bel_z_bub said:
it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...
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The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.

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The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.
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I hope not, I hate the double functionality it has now.. and I think it looks quit good already (wm7).. but maybe a little simple for our large screen hd2.. which I also find quit useless at the moment.. the home screen in Sense is just a big version of a small resolution screen phone.. why not use that space..? in this case finger friendly is just a poor excuse for hasty release in my opinion.. luckely we have developers here who finish htc's job (co0kie's home tabs is a good example, it makes your phone feel like what htc promises in their commercials but doesn't deliver)
let's face it, the default windows mobile 6.5 home screen (the scrolling finger friendly one, don't know the name) is not bad at all.. it just looks ugly on our big screen..

not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!

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not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!
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The point is that you haven't tried it yet. Do you criticise movies based on their trailers?
It's impossible to know for sure whether you're going to like an OS just by basing your opinion on a few pictures and videos. Besides which who really thinks the stock Windows Mobile 6 is a gorgeous user-friendly masterpiece; it's only with the addition of Sense that the experience is improved to the point of desirability. Microsoft haven't holistically written off Windows Mobile 6 so fans can still stick with it for the foreseeable life of their devices and expect updates to Sense, SPB Mobile Shell and Opera.
The point is that now there is greater choice, which can only be a good thing. I'm not a developer and I have no affiliations which might bias my opinion here, but I have made the mistake of writing off things before ive tried them in the past and just think people shouldn't be so keen to spit their dummies out when things don't look exactly how they'd expect them to. Given the limited knowledge we have of WP7's hands-on experience I think this poll might be a little premature.

Well, we haven't really seen much
In fact we have not seen much more than a proof of concept. (Although I'm quite sure it is more than that). I, for one, will hold off judgment until I learn more about the functionality and possibilities for customizations. As shown it does not meet my personal needs for my "Home Screen". IF, as I have read, MS is locking down the UI then the rest better be pretty damn fantastic for me to put up with the UI I saw. But if we can change it around to fit our needs then I will consider it.
As for now, although speculation is fun, I feel it's just too early to make any determination based on the little we know. Next month will give us more info. After that it will be a case of "wait and see" what the devs come up with once they get their hands on the OS etc. I keep thinking about that old adage "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

I wouldn't put too much criticism on the layout as I do about the functionality. People needs to realize that the layout is not set in stones and i'd be hard pressed if MS would keep the blue block as their UI. As long as it is fast, smooth, and finger-friendly, skinning it would be a piece of cake. Give it some time until close to release time and we'll see a more polish product that will appeal to everybody.

i completely agree..
how come people always criticizing something that has not been even tested in real life?
it's always "oooh it's ugly and i still like the current one or the older one", but yet after a while, we then accept the fact that it is actually better and fit our needs.
i guess thats why there are old people that will very likely to use an old typewriter Compare with the more civilized older ones who get the use and capabilities of computers. So much critics that now, they dont even know how to use it.

Stop Moaning guys,
i say this is the best WM OS those lazy bustard have come out with and compete against the fruit factory.
i like it.... thought it looks awful now, but we have gfreek and other xda superheroes to tweak and style and custom and theme and overclock and whatever you can think of...
cant wait for and unofficial release....
from Singapore
by the way, Singapore just open its first casino...

as stated earlier, if the "book cover" looks better , you got my vote. other than that, NOTHING else so far about wp7s lures me into upgrading for what i have now. i am talking about what we've been shown. even though i use it now based on your judgement, i wont enjoy it cos it is simply not pretty. sorry i cant do an ugly person even if she functions well.

I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.

optiknerv said:
I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.
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Just wait until we get a ROM dump from the HTC HD Mini. That is running an unseen build of 6.5.X that got rid of the start menu icon on the taskbars and has symmetrical softkeys.
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it actually does look quite hideous, why would anyone want to show off that, or "leak" it,
i mean what the heck?? MAKE A GOD DAMN TOUCH INNOVATED INTERFACE YOU BUNCH OF DIM WITS

Response to Hack-A-Day - Post Screenshots here

This is a thread to show hack-a-day what a unprofessional and outright dumb move they made by posting that article. I think it would be a great idea if everyone dropped a comment on the hackaday site for the 10 missing things for Android / 10 things for Gingerbread article and post the screenshot here. I have attached mine below along with the link to the article.
And yes I am really angered by their dumb approach. How do you not know that Android has folders, I mean co'mmon.
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http://hackaday.com/2010/07/10/top-10-features-wed-like-to-see-in-android-3-0/
Per cxdist, just to show I am not trying to drive hits, Article Below
Top 10 features we’d like to see in Android 3.0
posted Jul 10th 2010 8:00am by Jacob Nahin
filed under: android hacks, rants
Poor Google. Despite its numerous capabilities with smartphones spread across a variety of carriers, Android still struggles to garner the prestige and positive perceptions of iOS 4. Sales continue to rise, but at the end of the day, the average person is still left lusting for an iPhone. Well, here are 10 features that should be added to Android 3.0 that could change the tide.
1. A no-brainer task manager.
Google says Android doesn’t need a task manager, that it closes programs efficiently without any user-intervention, substandard apps often suck memory dry. Because of this, Android users are forced to download complicated task-managers, each with its own odd UI, and weigh which one works the best. Google, please fess up to the problem and put something in there a computer novice could use. Something with big buttons would be nice.
2. Stable Multitasking
Speaking of crashes, multitasking on Android is a mess. A little optimization here wouldn’t hurt. Better yet, while this may run counter-productive to us power-users, why not release a lite version of Android 3.0 that doesn’t support multitasking? Not every user needs it and lower-end phones would appreciate it
3. Swype
Google, your Android keyboard sucks. That’s why the fine folks at Swype Inc developed their product. Sure, some of the newer Android phones like the Droid X are releasing with it built in, but it would be a boon for the OS to come packaged with this software.
4. IR- sender support
On the hardware side of things, an IR-sender support is a “duh.” Imagine a next generation of remotes running on Android. Better yet, how would you like to control your lights and home-entertainment center with your phone without the sometimes-complicated mess of configuring through a network?
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Some apps have it. Some apps don’t. C’mon, this should be standard by now.
6. Folders
Google, you copied iOS’s homescreen UI, why not do it again? Many of users have outgrown their limited pages and would like a way to add some organization to their mobile lives.
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
If users are going to download a ton of apps from the Android Market, they need somewhere to put them. Users with rooted phones can already do this, but expandable storage should be standard in app-filled world with insatiable memory lust.
8. Built-in syncing
If the Android is going to succeed as a user-friendly platform, it needs to make it easy for people to add their music, photos, and video to their phones. It’s simple Google. Develop some web-based software and launch it as a beta. You do it for everything else…
9. Standardized UI for all apps
I’m all for artistic interpretation, but the reason so many functional apps get low scores is because they work differently than the rest of the OS. Once again, do what Apple did and come up with better UI guidelines.
10. Better market
Why can’t I queue downloads from the web? That would be awesome. How about a better way to navigate the store from my laptop? Despite the thousands of apps the Android Market hosts, it is stuck with the same problems as Apple’s iOS4. More importantly than any of the above, Google needs to innovate here. Change the way mobile markets work Google and you could win this war.
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They got you driving up site hits. Sounds like a great move to me.

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They got you driving up site hits. Sounds like a great move to me.
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Oh no dude, I cant stand hackaday, there just punks because they deleted the comment i left on the site. I mean an alternative would be just to post the article here and comment here. F&#K their hits.

I can't agree more that the article was written by a bumbling idiot, but how is this remotely related to development. Don't be a fool too, post in the right section.

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I can't agree more that the article was written by a bumbling idiot, but how is this remotely related to development. Don't be a fool too, post in the right section.
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Dude your right. Mod please post in the General Nexus One section. Thanks, Its 4:00am here so my bad.

flak0 said:
Dude your right. Mod please post in the General Nexus One section. Thanks, Its 4:00am here so my bad.
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Great find though, I always enjoy a solid chuckle before bed. Just like Fox News that guy apparently did zero research on his subject matter.

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Great find though, I always enjoy a solid chuckle before bed. Just like Fox News that guy apparently did zero research on his subject matter.
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lol true. i hate fanboys that don't know shiznit!

1. A no-brainer task manager.
Just because Google hasn't integrated it itself doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The article is right that Google hasn't released their own, but a task manager like ATK works perfectly fine. There are plenty of missing things in iOS4 that customers have relied on third party developers to fill the void.
2. Stable Multitasking
I lol'ed. Multitasking on my N1 works wonders compared to the "multitasking" on my iOS4 iPod Touch.
3. Swype
The default keyboard doesn't suck (I personally prefer it over Swype). But it is retarded to not acknowledge that Swype's closed-beta situation right now and limited manufacturer partners is probably the reason. Not Google.
4. IR- sender support
I couldn't care less about IR at this point. Haven't had it on a phone in years and don't miss it one bit. I'd rather have the ability to control devices over WiFi. Devices still relying on IR need to catch up as opposed to Google going backwards.
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Has anyone been able to pinch-to-zoom yet on their iOS4 homescreens? 'nuff said.
6. Folders
I didn't realize that the organized folders I have on my stock Android homescreens are figments of my imagination or have been magically created in my sleep by anally organized unicorns.
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
Really? Hi Froyo. Oh and I wish I could move apps to SD on my iPod Touch... (as most know, "storage capacity on an iDevice does not equal the amount of app RAM).
8. Built-in syncing
For media, I will say I do agree. A 1st party sync tool for media would be nice. But for PIM functionality, I much prefer the OTA syncing as opposed to having to remember to tether to my MacBook when I need to move info (except for those on Exchange which doesn't really count in this case because it goes without saying).
9. Standardized UI for all apps
God forbid developers have the right to design their apps the way they see fit instead of being told they all have to look a certain way!! I'm a unique and creative guy. I like my apps the same way.
10. Better market
iOS4's walled garden approach makes sense in many ways and doesn't make sense in many others. Android's approach leaves more of a possibility for trouble. But crap apps fill most of Apple's app store (not saying there isn't tons of crap in Android's market though) and clearly the walled garden approach isn't in place to give users only apps worth needing/buying. My one Android suggestion in this category? Buy AppBrain.

The One feature needed on Iphone 5...
The ability to hold a telephone conversation. Seriously Apple, fix that $***

How hard is it to get a non-biased article? Or at least one that respects the pros and cons of both operating systems. Anyhow I wrote the following, can't see it getting posted though
Seriously? This is the most impressive piece of fan boy horse **** I’ve read in a long time. Both operating systems have their pros and cons but to put zero research into an article is simply embarassing.
1 is nonsense as you can end each application through the settings – applications menu.
2 and 3 are purely subjective and as android is *OPEN* you can replace/hack the default keyboard in mere seconds.
4 While I would like this feature, I can’t see how it’s a DUH! feature. It’s obvious this will be integrated with the release of Google TV and similar.
5 makes zero sense as not all applications need pinch to zoom. Would p2z really be necessary in the calendar application or the music application? No. Also where is iOS’s p2z on the home screen? Oh its missing….
6 Now this is my favorite part, android has had folders since 1.5. That’s right, before iOS 3.
7 Froyo supports this perfectly, nuff said.
8 I agree with this point, a better *MEDIA* syncing experience is necessary. However application and data syncing even after a factory reset is perfect at the moment, I simply sign into my google account and everything is restored.
9 Please don’t restrict Android like iOS, we like originality and uniqueness. Demanding system wide standardization pretty much gives up on any significant advancements in the future.
10 This day in age no-one needs to queue downloads. If you’re using a connection which needs to queue sub 1mb downloads then Android vs iOS is the least of your worries. Admittedly I would like a way to access the marketplace on my laptop.
All in all, there was zero subjectivity in this article. Even on the areas that any Android user would agree to, the attitude used is that of an iOS fan boy. Poor show hackaday.
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adambenjamin said:
The One feature needed on Iphone 5...
The ability to hold a telephone conversation. Seriously Apple, fix that $***
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hold down the mute button for a couple of second and it'll change to hold.

mtl171 said:
hold down the mute button for a couple of second and it'll change to hold.
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I'm pretty sure they were referring to the high rate of call dropping and call failures that many people use as a target of insult towards the iPhone crowd. Not the ability to put the call on hold.

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I'm pretty sure they were referring to the high rate of call dropping and call failures that many people use as a target of insult towards the iPhone crowd. Not the ability to put the call on hold.
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supposedly the new iphone fixes it. though you lose bars when you hold it(messed up reception algorithm)

We seriously need a new blog site to respond to all of those biased, ignorant, uneducated, and lack of research articles posted in many blog sites (even sometimes the big sites make mistakes too). I think a site like this would be fun to read

ohh, I mean hold, as in not drop the call actually. My iphone could not hold on to a call.

NexusDro said:
We seriously need a new blog site to respond to all of those biased, ignorant, uneducated, and lack of research articles posted in many blog sites (even sometimes the big sites make mistakes too). I think a site like this would be fun to read
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Well I turned my rebuttal to it into a blog post on my site. If anyone supports my response to the article, you are more than welcome to share it.
Oh and if linking to my site for this reason is against policy (I don't think it is because I've seen external linking previously), I fully apologize and will remove the link or will understand if a mod does it.
And here is the pic I used for the article:
http://www.erictate.com/2010/07/11/hack-a-day-loses-their-cred-outside-of-ifanboys/

Thanks Everyone for your Input & responses. I agree with building the blog site against this article. Hackaday will not only lose credibility but they will also lose readers. Thats like Engadget saying that Android needs Adobe Flash in 3.0. I mean really, okay I will go back to work now.

The posting: http://hackaday.com/2010/07/10/top-10-features-wed-like-to-see-in-android-3-0/
They have since admitted that the article is not very accurate.
Hello HaD readers,
Sorry for the delay in updating this. I was on probation while the editors worked with Jason to figure out some things.
Clearly, for my recent debut article, I didn’t research Android OS well enough. After reading each of your comments, I realize that the article fell short of HaD’s and its readers standards for high-quality writing and reporting. Every point I made in the article were problems I noticed in my experience with Android, but I should have done more research on others’ experiences and the capabilities of each version of the OS. To each reader, I am sorry and will do better by you in future posts.
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1. A no-brainer task manager.
Google says Android doesn’t need a task manager, that it closes programs efficiently without any user-intervention, substandard apps often suck memory dry. Because of this, Android users are forced to download complicated task-managers, each with its own odd UI, and weigh which one works the best. Google, please fess up to the problem and put something in there a computer novice could use. Something with big buttons would be nice.
Included in a OS thats designed to take care of this?
2. Stable Multitasking
Speaking of crashes, multitasking on Android is a mess. A little optimization here wouldn’t hurt. Better yet, while this may run counter-productive to us power-users, why not release a lite version of Android 3.0 that doesn’t support multitasking? Not every user needs it and lower-end phones would appreciate it
Is there anything more stable than the linux kernel? brainwashed by apple?
3. Swype
Google, your Android keyboard sucks. That’s why the fine folks at Swype Inc developed their product. Sure, some of the newer Android phones like the Droid X are releasing with it built in, but it would be a boon for the OS to come packaged with this software.
It does not suck. Again the door is open to install any number of keyboards and choose!
4. IR- sender support
On the hardware side of things, an IR-sender support is a “duh.” Imagine a next generation of remotes running on Android. Better yet, how would you like to control your lights and home-entertainment center with your phone without the sometimes-complicated mess of configuring through a network?
heard of Google TV? You can control it using the network/wifi. An IR sender would be nice and geeky, but not required in a phone.
5. Universal pinch-to-zoom
Some apps have it. Some apps don’t. C’mon, this should be standard by now.
(and again) The OS supports it. Apps that need it can incorporate it.
6. Folders
Google, you copied iOS’s homescreen UI, why not do it again? Many of users have outgrown their limited pages and would like a way to add some organization to their mobile lives.
thats a nice big rock you got there
7. SD-Card support for app-storage
If users are going to download a ton of apps from the Android Market, they need somewhere to put them. Users with rooted phones can already do this, but expandable storage should be standard in app-filled world with insatiable memory lust.
thats a nice big rock you got there
8. Built-in syncing
If the Android is going to succeed as a user-friendly platform, it needs to make it easy for people to add their music, photos, and video to their phones. It’s simple Google. Develop some web-based software and launch it as a beta. You do it for everything else…
best sync in the industry. No need to isntall iToons bloatware. More anti-google statements. Their betas are excellent!
9. Standardized UI for all apps
I’m all for artistic interpretation, but the reason so many functional apps get low scores is because they work differently than the rest of the OS. Once again, do what Apple did and come up with better UI guidelines.
The default UI is standardized, the SDK provides so much scope for customizing . If you want a shiny UI wait for gingerbread.
10. Better market
Why can’t I queue downloads from the web? That would be awesome. How about a better way to navigate the store from my laptop? Despite the thousands of apps the Android Market hosts, it is stuck with the same problems as Apple’s iOS4. More importantly than any of the above, Google needs to innovate here. Change the way mobile markets work Google and you could win this war.
Desktop market browsing is about to be released. (get out from that rock and watch GoogleIO 2010). Downloads DO get queued

Steve Jobs disrespecting Android.

So I was looking at the iPad 2 conference on my Engadget app, and at 10:10am he mentioned that Honeycomb only has 100 apps compared to the iPad apps. And before that talked about the Galaxy S tabs. Check it out
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...les-ipad-2-event/&category=classic&postPage=1
Ps...why is he back...
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Is it 'disrespect' or just 'fact?'
I mean, you'd expect iPod to have a larger ecosystem -- right now.
I'm not an Android nor Apple fan boy; both entities are contributing to the forward movement of technology, which can only benefit us in the long run. Let's not get caught up on his words. In fact, they may stir the Android community to develop more and better apps for Android tablets to come.

Let's face it: No tablet is ever going to come close to the iPad or Apple, because big corps. just don't get it.

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Let's face it: No tablet is ever going to come close to the iPad or Apple, because big corps. just don't get it.
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Apple is not a big corp?!

I was talking about the other big corps trying to make tablets. Not saying apple gets everything right, they don't, but they understand the majority and have a pretty good business model.
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So I was looking at the iPad 2 conference on my Engadget app, and at 10:10am he mentioned that Honeycomb only has 100 apps compared to the iPad apps. And before that talked about the Galaxy S tabs. Check it out
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...les-ipad-2-event/&category=classic&postPage=1
Ps...why is he back...
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I've owned a iPhone 3G then moved to the EVO because android was more open and it supported flash.
I was going to attempt to make a reasonable post on how moronic it sounds to try and downplay the impact the iPad2 will have.
But I rather just say this: Nothing will come close to beating the iPad2 in terms of an market ecosystem/product design/buzz/fanboyism/price point within a reasonable competitive time frame.
The Xoom is more expensive and does not even currently support flash. One of the sharpest points Android has against iOS. HTC forth coming tablet is basically an EVO with a larger screen.
And lets not forget the iOS is way more flexible once you jailbroke it, which in itself is not terribly hard to do compared to when the first iPhone's came out.
I'm going to purchase a tablet this year, and had my heart set on an android tablet. The iPad2 made that choice a lot harder. HC still has a way to go begin to penetrate that tablet space.

IPad 2 is sexy. I love honeycomb but, android needs to work with the device manufacturers closer to be able to match apples software/hardware synergy. Everything the iPad2 does has been crafted so beautifully while something like the xoom still don't compare. Even the original iPad looks better and move smoother than the xoom. Based on the video on Engadget the iPad2 takes that to another level. **** the iPad2 cover is also amazing. Don't get me wrong my phone will most likely will always be an Android because of widgets but I think I want an iPad2.

if apple knew anything about what their customers wanted they'd of included flash on their devices by now...
How in the hell can they still not have flash on the ipad 2? where is the logic in that? Tablets are supposed to be replacements for netbooks/laptops, you would think the most basic thing to have would be flash....

I think the flash (non)support is adobe's choosing. Some battle between Apple and Adobe.

Regardless on your feelings for Steve Jobs and Apple, If it weren't for Steve Jobs, the Evo probably wouldn't even exist. Neither would Android, at least not in their current forms.
The iPhone is what brought about this cellular "reniassance". Try to remember the smartphone scene before the iPhone. It was pretty much non existant unless you it was your hobby, or you needed one for work. And remember the choices? The old Palm OS, Blackberrys, which did absolutely nothing but messaging, and Windows Mobile. Palm OS and Windows Mobile were little more than PDA's with celluar radios. Apple put the smartphone in the eyes and hands of the average person.
Of course he's going to trash talk Android, it's finally a legit competitor to iOS. WebOS, while a nice OS, has absolute trash for hardware. WindowsPhone7 will stay around I think, it has promise, but it launched on last years hardware missing features from last years smartphones, so it has some catching up to do. Blackberry might be ok if the new QNX based platform comes out, but QNX was developed for terminals and what not, and not meant to rely on a battery, so battery life was not a concern.
Anyway you look at it, it's a good time if you like smartphones, and you have Apple to thank for it.

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I think the flash (non)support is adobe's choosing. Some battle between Apple and Adobe.
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Nope. Apple won't allow third party dev platforms on their devices. Adobe even made it so you could build a Flash application and then compile for iOS or whatever so Apple made it against the TOS to even develop on any other platform.
The thing is, so many iOS apps are fancy frontends for websites or things you can do in Flash/Air. If you could run Flash apps in a browser or Flash player app, you immediately have access to a ton of the things iOS apps can do...but without Apple getting their cut of every sale. It undermines their control over a closed ecosystem which has kept their devices both relatively stable and incredibly lucrative.
Adobe has been pissed at Apple ever since they screwed them over when they dropped Carbon64 for Cocoa, wasting years of Adobe development for OSX. Since Windows was a riper market and more open for developers, they started to put a lot more effort into their Windows ports. Jobs got pissed about that and has held a grudge since. Between that and the desire for complete control, they have a pretty uneasy relationship with Adobe.

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The iPhone is what brought about this cellular "reniassance". Try to remember the smartphone scene before the iPhone. It was pretty much non existant unless you it was your hobby, or you needed one for work. And remember the choices? The old Palm OS, Blackberrys, which did absolutely nothing but messaging, and Windows Mobile. Palm OS and Windows Mobile were little more than PDA's with celluar radios. Apple put the smartphone in the eyes and hands of the average person.
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There were some pretty good smart phones before the iPhone. I had Treos and Pocket PCs and they had GPS, copy/paste, 3rd party apps, touch screens, etc. long before the iPhone existed. Even when the iPhone came out it didn't have most of the features of a smart phone.
What it *did* have was a bigger/more responsive screen and a great mobile browser. That was the contribution of the iPhone. It was a great contribution and one I totally appreciate but it was an evolution, not a revolution. The other big contribution was putting the Apple marketing machine behind it. Apple doesn't screw around when it comes to marketing whereas Palm and Microsoft and RIM never seemed interested in marketing direct to consumer instead of to business. Aside from the Palm Centro, you wouldn't really see ads for these things so people kept buying RAZRs and such for the most part.
The whole market has been evolving long before the iPhone. They didn't start it but rather let others break ground as they usually do, and then once a lot of the roadblocks were out of the way, they put out a device that was missing a lot of common smart phone features but which was very attractive to a wide market which wasn't being addressed and was not aware of what they were missing.
I'm glad this happened because it helped to popularize big screens and good mobile browsers. Other platforms and devices likewise influenced Apple to add things like GPS, copy/paste, third party apps, multitasking, changeable wallpapers, etc.
It's win-win for us since we have better options to choose from.

People keep harping on flash but skyfire works on IOS and shows flash just fine. I mean its been out since like last November.

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IPad 2 is sexy. I love honeycomb but, android needs to work with the device manufacturers closer to be able to match apples software/hardware synergy. Everything the iPad2 does has been crafted so beautifully while something like the xoom still don't compare. Even the original iPad looks better and move smoother than the xoom. Based on the video on Engadget the iPad2 takes that to another level. **** the iPad2 cover is also amazing. Don't get me wrong my phone will most likely will always be an Android because of widgets but I think I want an iPad2.
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Except the fact remains is iOS sucks horribly at multi-tasking.

LOL I read the title of this thread and thought of the first Fast and Furious movie where the guy says SWAT came into his house and disrespected his family.

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Except the fact remains is iOS sucks horribly at multi-tasking.
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Explain. Why would I want a calculator app running in the background taking up memory? Or having rouge apps cause wake lock problems? iOS has background processing for things that make sense, push notifications for updates, and save states for everything else. That frees up memory, CPU time, and battery life.
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I will be the first one to say I hate Steve jobs out of all my friends. Ipad 2 just gave every tablet a run for its money even the ones that aren't out yet that will launch thus year. Flash doesn't really mean crap 1 its still slow on the evos browser and html 5 will eventually be that standard I believe. I finally bought my first macbook pro this year 2 weeks ago. I have always been a windows user and could have purchased a windows comp with better specs than my macbook pro for half the price. Wanna know why I hate steve jobs/apple do much; because APPLE has the market by the balls. I don't know how else to explain it but they do.
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It is what it is... I don't get caught up in the wars between smartphone/tablet makers. I just let them battle it out because in the end.. competition is good for the consumer.
Like it or not, Apple puts out quality products... can't deny that. It's easier for them to perfect what they have because they use their own hardware/software where as android is on a lot of different hardware.
A lot of these so called "mid-range" android phones are garbage and really gives them a bad name. I'll call out the samsung acclaim... I know 3 people with that phone and it is their first android phone..and it is total junk. Between all 3 of them they random reboots, horrible battery, unresponsive screens, lag and hang ups out the rear.
I'm all for making yourself available.. but when you put products like that out that people are foced to keep for the duration of their contract, then you'll lose customers. The 3 people I know are definitely going iphone next.
I think that is just one of the ways Apple keeps their place among the top of the line.. by not putting their software on crap hardware that ultimately results in a bad rep for your product.

Just remember. Good marketing beats a good product all day long.
At the end of the day, this is just another rerun of 1984. Apple doesn't want to license their hardware nor software. Along comes IBM (In this case Android) and the clones which eventually let way to Windows which can be run on any IBM compatible (Android devices). Sound familiar?

Windows Phone loosing momentum?

Am I alone when I fell like Windows Phone loosing momentum? I mean Windows Phone is starting to get boring with no major changes to the UI or functionality. I feel like all MS is doing it stringing us along with small updates but never giving us what we want for example we've been asking for the option to use custom tones for notification alerts like for MMS and SMS and still nothing, it's like they don't care what we have to say. Or the notification hub that a lot of people want, ability to create custom theme colors for tiles and I can go on and on.
Another thing is at least to me it seems like they procrastinate on getting things done and then they rush to get it out at the very last minute and we get things like the Lumina 920 and the HTC X8 with their issues with rebooting and freezing and so on. I still have issues on my WP8 that I use to have on my WP7 device, for example when trying to send an email at work with a pic attachment; it seems like it won't send because it doesn't recognize my email password even though it's correct.. I always end up having to delete my email account and recreate it for it to work!!!
Yea I know that WP8 is still young, bla, bla, bla... Well that's my lil rant; I'm sure that there is a lot of you out there that have similar opinions with either the lack of functionality or other problems with the phone and some that are just plain happy with whatever MS dictates that you need or not. If MS says you don't need custom ringtones or MMS or cut and paste some people just agree with them but not me, all I'm asking is for simple / common functions and options that have been around since like Windows Mobile.

I agree with the custom notifications stuff. The built in tones are awful.
I never had any issues with emails and pictures.This is most likely a problem from the email service provider rather than the phone itself.
WP needs more APIs so that developers can actually develop something creative. DirectX and C++ are not enough, and they can only be used for games anyway.

It still has momentum as regards the development of the operating system.
It is just starting from a bad position.
WP7 had a huge number of basic features missing.
WP8 has probably halved this list or better.
With the "blue" update I am expecting WP8 to have all the basic features in place.
If there is compatibility with Windows RT apps that implies big improvements to the Windows Phone APIs.

I don't know how it can be 'loosing momentum'.
WP8 is barely 3 months old...
All this comparison with the Android and iPhone platforms really annoys me. Those particular platforms have been around for years and years, hence the thousands and thousands of apps.
WP is easily the best and most modern mobile OS out there. That includes the 'new' BB OS (which looks like Android to me).
The tweaks to the OS WILL come. Be patient.
I loved my WP7 Omnia 7, and I love my WP8 Lumia 920. Slick and great to use.
If you want customization options galore, then get an Android device...

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I doubt it, be patient. And if it is in the US, it's not elsewhere. Elsewhere it's only starting. iPhone is so outdated and android is beta, apps keep crashing. Windows Phone is quality.

Looking at my Apps Download numbers it doesn't look like it's losing Momentum in the Marketplace. When WP8 arrived, the numbers increased from 1000 - 2000 Downloads/day to 5000-6000 and have been in that range pretty much ever since. To me at least that looks like a pretty steady influx of users. Especially given that I didn't see a slow-down after christmas sales.
On the API front a lot of stuff was added in WP8. I admit that there are still holes that developers who were part of the early access programm (Windows Phone SDK) have communicated to Microsoft. Still lots of things developers were asking for are now there. Native code perhaps was the biggest part of it (and most requested I guess) and they also have the native APIs looking very similar to WinRT. They will have to bring this to the Managed side as well and it will be interesting to see how they fare in that regard.
Native code does not only provide for easier porting of games but also allows better and faster image and audio processing which some Apps require to make sense on a mobile device, although I don't know too many that take advantage of that.
The ability to integrate Tell Me into Third Party Apps is one of the coolest features they built into WP8 but I have to admit that it has rarely been used so far and not in the best implementations. Bluetooth APIs have also been added which as well was a rather glaring omission in WP7. The ability of Apps to start other Apps or to launch documents in other Apps that support the file type was also added but again: there are not that many Apps supporting it right now. Offline mapping functionality is now available to Apps which to my knowledge similar to the system speech engine integration is also something that currently isn't available on competing platforms.
To cut it short: quite a lot changed under the covers. Not everything people would have wished for has happened but the platform has become a lot more capable. But, it hasn't been available for most developers until launch and doing interesting stuff based on the new features takes time. We've currently mostly seen early adoptions of new features into existing Apps. New concepts have not arrived but I'm pretty sure people have Apps in development that will take advantage of what was added.
Where you are correct is that there are some pretty annoying omissions in improving certain built in features. It starts with custom notification sounds (which should not be to hard to do based on how it was implemented in WP7 homebrew software and continues on in new features that didn't go quite far enough. BitLocker is there but can only be enabled using an Exchange-Servers Security Policies. PDFs are now displayed in the Office Hub but can't be stored there from the Internet or when received through an E-Mail. They'll have to work those kinks out because I honestly believe: there are not that many really big functionality gaps in the OS by now but many, many annoyances that add up.

I think that now that BlackBerry is back in the game, EVERYONE is going to have to step up. I was cleaning and came across my old phones, right now I'm looking at a Nokia Lumia 810, an HD7, a TP2, and an HD2....Microsoft needs to stick with something instead of constantly abandoning things...hell, I have 2 years of Zune content that I can't use on my new phone.
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StevieBallz said:
Looking at my Apps Download numbers it doesn't look like it's losing Momentum in the Marketplace. When WP8 arrived, the numbers increased from 1000 - 2000 Downloads/day to 5000-6000 and have been in that range pretty much ever since. To me at least that looks like a pretty steady influx of users. Especially given that I didn't see a slow-down after christmas sales.
On the API front a lot of stuff was added in WP8. I admit that there are still holes that developers who were part of the early access programm (Windows Phone SDK) have communicated to Microsoft. Still lots of things developers were asking for are now there. Native code perhaps was the biggest part of it (and most requested I guess) and they also have the native APIs looking very similar to WinRT. They will have to bring this to the Managed side as well and it will be interesting to see how they fare in that regard.
Native code does not only provide for easier porting of games but also allows better and faster image and audio processing which some Apps require to make sense on a mobile device, although I don't know too many that take advantage of that.
The ability to integrate Tell Me into Third Party Apps is one of the coolest features they built into WP8 but I have to admit that it has rarely been used so far and not in the best implementations. Bluetooth APIs have also been added which as well was a rather glaring omission in WP7. The ability of Apps to start other Apps or to launch documents in other Apps that support the file type was also added but again: there are not that many Apps supporting it right now. Offline mapping functionality is now available to Apps which to my knowledge similar to the system speech engine integration is also something that currently isn't available on competing platforms.
To cut it short: quite a lot changed under the covers. Not everything people would have wished for has happened but the platform has become a lot more capable. But, it hasn't been available for most developers until launch and doing interesting stuff based on the new features takes time. We've currently mostly seen early adoptions of new features into existing Apps. New concepts have not arrived but I'm pretty sure people have Apps in development that will take advantage of what was added.
Where you are correct is that there are some pretty annoying omissions in improving certain built in features. It starts with custom notification sounds (which should not be to hard to do based on how it was implemented in WP7 homebrew software and continues on in new features that didn't go quite far enough. BitLocker is there but can only be enabled using an Exchange-Servers Security Policies. PDFs are now displayed in the Office Hub but can't be stored there from the Internet or when received through an E-Mail. They'll have to work those kinks out because I honestly believe: there are not that many really big functionality gaps in the OS by now but many, many annoyances that add up.
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I may have misunderstood you-
but are you saying that one particular app is getting 5000-6000 downloads, per day, on wp8 devices ?

Must be one heck of an app. Frankly I haven't found one great one, yet.

Yes, 1 App 5000-6000 downloads / day. Although it's WP7 AND WP8. I have never bothered to find out if I can filter the data to see WP7 and WP8 separately. And as for it being good: it seems to do what lots of people want it to do although I actually do believe myself that for some an alternative App might be better. I always tried to keep it simple and not overload it with too many features. Other developers of similar Apps have done it differently.
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I've attached the download chart from 1st of September to mid of February as it is provided in the Dev Cenetr. The left scale shows daily Downloads (purple line), the right scale displays total Downloads (black line) just passed the 1.4 Million Download mark).As you can see there have been 664 000 Downloads in that timeframe.

StevieBallz said:
Yes, 1 App 5000-6000 downloads / day. Although it's WP7 AND WP8. I have never bothered to find out if I can filter the data to see WP7 and WP8 separately. And as for it being good: it seems to do what lots of people want it to do although I actually do believe myself that for some an alternative App might be better. I always tried to keep it simple and not overload it with too many features. Other developers of similar Apps have done it differently.
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I've attached the download chart from 1st of September to mid of February as it is provided in the Dev Cenetr. The left scale shows daily Downloads (purple line), the right scale displays total Downloads (black line) just passed the 1.4 Million Download mark).As you can see there have been 664 000 Downloads in that timeframe.
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What's the name so we can try it out?
Paid or free? Doesn't matter I'm willing to support.

Connectivity Shortcuts - has been free for most of it's life but I added Ads some months back. I believe it is still getting the fine Download numbers due to the fact of it being one of the first two Shortcut Apps. I'm pretty sure you'll have tried out one of them and that being said: most of them are quite trivial in idea and implementation (so I would guess you will stand by your finding of no nice Apps). But this is getting pretty much Offtopic.
Posting the chart motivated me to look through the more detailed data. I still can't tell WP7 and WP8 apart but according to that sales have scaled back following Christmas in countries like the US or Germany (which kind of is expected given strong holiday sales). The sustained influx of users seems to come from countries where newer devices are still being launched. That spike you can see in mid-January was 4000 sales in China on a single day although I have no idea as to what happened that day (it wasn't the Lumia 920 launch - I looked it up and that was in mid-December).
In the end I believe that my Download data is kinda similar to the Facebook-Metric that several blogs have employed to calculate WP growth due to the fact that the App is part of Microsoft's collection for productivity and is also being featured in Nokia's App Highlights-App. Still this in no way yields us definitive data on how WP is doing but given how the chart reacted to some of the events in WP's life it seems we can still draw some conclussions based on that data.

StevieBallz said:
Connectivity Shortcuts - has been free for most of it's life but I added Ads some months back. I believe it is still getting the fine Download numbers due to the fact of it being one of the first two Shortcut Apps. I'm pretty sure you'll have tried out one of them and that being said: most of them are quite trivial in idea and implementation (so I would guess you will stand by your finding of no nice Apps). But this is getting pretty much Offtopic.
Posting the chart motivated me to look through the more detailed data. I still can't tell WP7 and WP8 apart but according to that sales have scaled back following Christmas in countries like the US or Germany (which kind of is expected given strong holiday sales). The sustained influx of users seems to come from countries where newer devices are still being launched. That spike you can see in mid-January was 4000 sales in China on a single day although I have no idea as to what happened that day (it wasn't the Lumia 920 launch - I looked it up and that was in mid-December).
In the end I believe that my Download data is kinda similar to the Facebook-Metric that several blogs have employed to calculate WP growth due to the fact that the App is part of Microsoft's collection for productivity and is also being featured in Nokia's App Highlights-App. Still this in no way yields us definitive data on how WP is doing but given how the chart reacted to some of the events in WP's life it seems we can still draw some conclussions based on that data.
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Ok now I see why you have so many downloads. One of the most useful apps on the platform.

Enough chaps, no need to make posts personal attacks.
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I feel more like a disappointed by the WP8 release.
It just feels like a Windows Mobile 2003/5/6 all over again! Where Microsoft overpromised and underdelivered. Where every new major release added very little on the table, and where iPhone added a whole set of new experiences.
I didn't really buy the whole "locked" device for your own good bull****, as you are not "root". I like the Windows Mobile custom builds that improved your experience or even fixed some bugs.
In a sense, the "spirit" of the Windows Mobile (chaos), moved to the Android. There is all sorts of custom builds and apps.
With the recent release of Android 4.2, that improves the animation speed (makes it as smooth as WP), there is no good reason, not to update.
I gave it a chance... it did not lived up to it.

There's an awful lot to say about that post my friend! The changes from 2003 to 5 were massive though, both on the surface and under the hood, 5 to 6 was more like a refinement, what was to come after 6.5 was wrong though, it flew in the face of what was happening with IOS ad android and I for one am glade it got caned. WP isnt supposed to be compared to the others, its different an for good reason, I will admit that the security side is the only reason I haven't got a Wp8 device, but WP7s security (interop unlocked) with root tools is the clear answer to the problem but....
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.... As to what made wm good, well again your right, it was the customization factor, it was and still is the best OS pocket PC platform out there, but the sales model was never going to work, and android is starting to see the effect too, MS made the core platform, sent it to OEMs who pissed all over it, it then got sent to the networks who all took a giant dump on it, we ended up with slow, bloated devices with no drivers to support the hardware and MS shouldered the blame! The proof of what wm could have been is here in the real roots of xda dev, what was still lacking from our custom roms was developed drivers that made use of the device. All those android lot may think they are all jazzy and new but wm had similar skins decades ago lol, it just needed some TLC!
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There's an awful lot to say about that post my friend! The changes from 2003 to 5 were massive though, both on the surface and under the hood, 5 to 6 was more like a refinement, what was to come after 6.5 was wrong though, it flew in the face of what was happening with IOS ad android and I for one am glade it got caned. WP isnt supposed to be compared to the others, its different an for good reason, I will admit that the security side is the only reason I haven't got a Wp8 device, but WP7s security (interop unlocked) with root tools is the clear answer to the problem but....
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---------- Post added at 09:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 AM ----------
.... As to what made wm good, well again your right, it was the customization factor, it was and still is the best OS pocket PC platform out there, but the sales model was never going to work, and android is starting to see the effect too, MS made the core platform, sent it to OEMs who pissed all over it, it then got sent to the networks who all took a giant dump on it, we ended up with slow, bloated devices with no drivers to support the hardware and MS shouldered the blame! The proof of what wm could have been is here in the real roots of xda dev, what was still lacking from our custom roms was developed drivers that made use of the device. All those android lot may think they are all jazzy and new but wm had similar skins decades ago lol, it just needed some TLC!
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history, repeating?
but then there are the wonderful custom roms. you remember your favorites from wm, they're reincarnated with better hardware (touch screens rock now!) and more mobile centric applications.
the deficiencies of wp8 don't have custom roms to supplement (or did i miss them, sorry) - so what is the natural progression for folks who want a little more of this or that ?
the next step for wp is __________ ?

we can all blame Apple, really, for being so creative..
but more accurately, we can blame HTC for abandoning all of its WinMob users to try and copy the iPhone
but more specifically, we can blame the uncreative doofs at Microcrap for trying to copy the above two companies
or more directly we can blame all the little braindead users out there who think their phones need to be swiped
what is with that swiping crap? its lamest thing i've every done in my entire life.
do you really need to swipe everything? is that really the main purpose of you owning a phone?
because all i'm seeing is different ways to swipe things... and thats because users are apparently so shallow and pathetic, that the best thing they can do with their phone is be seen by others swiping it
and to be extra 1337, they dream of being able to swipe it in some different direction than other people
but really.. lets analyze whats happening.. take away the swiping, and what are they doing? the most useless crap ever to have existed on the face of the planet.. thats what
really?
its like planet of the living braindead around here..
i dont need a phone that matches my haircut, piercings, butterfly tattoos, & painted nails..
and no, no matter how i'm swiping, i'm not going to believe i'm hip, fashionable, advanced, or the slightest bit interesting
screw your swiping.. why dont you make my phone useful & productive, instead.. how about that?

The whole point of this forum is to make our devices better, and share our knowledge about how to do so. This thread does not do that, and does not bring anything positive whatsoever. In fact, this is purely a rant thread, and with that in mind I'm going to close it. Discussion is one thing, but there's nothing positive to be had here.
Thread closed.