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So unfair.

This is just so unfair.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbsmHMAhrQ&feature=player_embedded

Uhhhmm... Why?

what is so unfair?
it works and does the same as the phone version, just bigger

Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo

so what.. remember it has drawbacks too..
1. propriatary adapter instead of true hd socket.
2. no removeable replaceable battery..i like having spare batteries ready.
3. strange resolutin 1024x600
4. no super oled screen. .supposedly bad viewing angle support.
5. expensive.. will see price when carriers pick it up

there's a bigger chance i'll pick up one of these
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44673
instead of the Tab, just because of price/size matters
it might not be as good as the Tab, and not even close to our phone, but it's great for size and compatibility to runt he same apps we run on our phones at a larger screen
I think of it as a really good backup of my stuff on the SGS phone, in case crap happens and i need to restore all the info back quickly
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ppeccin said:
Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo
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Alot of companies do this type of tatic of focuing all materials and personale on a new product development. i dont believe samsung does this and tries to allocate its resources equally....

These pure tablet PC's are the most overrated technology ever anyway..
Hybrids such as the Lenovo Ideapad U1 make more sense, because touchscreens don't provide good enough feedback for typing. I understand that pure touchscreen-exclusive tablets seem cool, but they are actually a step back in productivity, and ergonomics. And only a company which makes a puck mouse seem cool (and in reality, focuses on irrelevant design issues rather than real ones) could bring these into fashion..
Don't waste money on them, until they can at least modify the shape of the touch screen panel to provide proper tactile feedback (ie, surface changes or lumps).
Instead, just get a netbook or a convertible tablet...

the problem with Laptops/Tablets is the weight and poor battery life compared to the tablets
i have a laptop, and it sits at home 90% of the time because of that
instead my SGS has almost replace my laptop entirely, just missing a mouse and keyboard, then i'll be set
looking forward to Froyo, which already confirmed support for BT mouse+keyboards, yay!

I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.

Too big for my pocket. And if I can take that with me, I also can take my netbook.
It's not much bigger...
For gaming+TV it would rock. There is no TV-tuner built in?
Also I need possibilities to run openoffice on it, so I can use it for presentations...

rdenis said:
Finally someone called out this moron for his load of BS he keeps spewing - I'm guessing he's about 14 and gets beat up a lot..
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I wouldn't say that..
But it's the same effect I saw when selling Apple equipment. People become so involved with their devices, that they begin to take an unrealistic look at how good they REALLY are. Apple Mac Pro's are the perfect example.
* In general, the video cards being sold with the Mac Pro's are generations behind those available on PC's. But people love them.
* Some people also LOVED the Apple might mouse, despite the right button being near-impossible to click successfully, because they didn't realise the competition allowed scrolling left and right too.
* Over time, all OSX users seemed to have convinced themselves that Windows crashed every day (even if iPhoto was crashing right in front of them).
*It's the same effect which has convinced Linux users that UAC is more intrusive than PolicyKit (it's actually the opposite).
Either way, the tablet seems targeted at the gimmicky crowd. Their main benefit is casual browsing, and watching movies. But lets face it, touchscreens are still HORRIBLE for typing, and most of us would like to be able to chat to someone whilst watching a movie.
But that's just my thoughts.. Time will tell, but you can't fix the ergonomics issues with tablets, until they are at least bendable, the pixels on the screen can displace themselves forward or backwards (or simply change smooth to rough) or have a perfectly polished neural interface (but neural interfaces are still under heavy development)

Speaking of which... what happened to the flexible display I read about a prototype a year or two ago?
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1- i still do and i always carry a spare battery with me when i go out, that's how often i use the SGS phone, and i keep an extra spare in the car, for when the one i have runs out, and i need another spare to keep with me.
the BT headset doesn't get charge every day, battery life is quite good, only gets charge once every week or two depending on usage, i use the phone for online activities not for yapping
BT keyboard is just a convenient for typing faster, they are foldable, it shrinks down to a pda size, still fits in a pocket, they existed since the Palm times, what's what made the BT keyboard popular, battery life depend on how much you type on it. you won't be charging a BT keyboard as often as you would charge a BT headset.
2- no idea how you are holding it, but it works just the same, for typing with the on screen keyboard it's pretty natural, i even do it one handed when i'm busy with a drink on the other hand, it's not as quick as when you type with both thumbs, but it's doable for SMS and IM, definitely you wont want to type a long email with a single thumb
holding the phone for voice call will just be natural as well, like using any other phone, the only thing that bugs me is the proximity sensor, as it takes a split second to go back to the dialing pad screen, before you can switch to another application to look up for information meanwhile chatting with the customer
3- yes because i don't like to travel with bags, it has nothing to do with lifting weight it's just ruins the look of your shirt, it shifts the shirt to a side with the weight and it doesn't look good, you don't want to hang out with a lady or partying with buddies carrying a laptop/ipad/tablet around is just trouble (it can get beer in it, it can get stolen if you leave it on the side of the restaurant/bar/anyplace, you might forget it if the meeting is going so well and having too much fun, ladies will look at you like a geek, some nicer restaurant will throw you a bad eye for pulling out a laptop on the table, you go to a cinema with a laptop and pull it out they'll automatically think you are going to capture the movie, been there done that, not fun, it was totally stupid if you ask me, since when you can get a decent recording out of a laptop webcam? LOL )
all of that aside, when you pull out an iphone or the SGS, no one will complain to you, instead people would say WOW! can i see that, can i do this, can i play that, can i... you get the idea, it's totally 2 side of the spectrum
That's what Apple is selling, and that's what people like, non geeky devices that works, and Samsung is just riding the same wave.
Personally i don't care, i just want a device that is better than Windows crapile, and the combination of Samsung hardware + Android OS have done that for me.
If PalmOS was still around on a phone similar to SGS i'd have gone the PalmOS way instead, as the OS is much more polished, still buggy, but there are tons of Apps for it... too bad the company went under bought by HP, and trashed to the pages of history.
4- for me productivity means being able to get online and log on to servers anywhere i'm in, for documents we got ThinkFreeOffice which is sufficient for me, and i was able to convert my old Palm Doc To Go office to the Android version of Doc To Go. with the SGS i can hookup to all my different companies accounts (15+), and they will all each keep their own separate contact list, in Wincrap mobile it would have been a major mess, you can't have both personal and work accounts together, now that's efficiency for me.
same goes with IM, i can be online with all my email accounts and people can contact me all over, it's so easy, in Wincrap i had to use those jabber IMs to do the same and it was always disconnecting because it goes through jabber and it's not stable enough to make IM conversation a good experience as people always said i was offline when i was not.
Since i switched to SGS using the stock push email & IM, i've not had any problem, all my customers are happy, and when customers are happy, i'm happy.
Typing is decent with SGS, it can be better with a BT keyboard, too bad i can't use it yet until Froyo is out.
Browsing speed is amazing, i can look up stuff instantly, this is a great topic when having a coffe with friends and customers, i'm a forgetful person i depend on a reliable PDA for my work, so it's amazing for people when they see i can jump back and forth between apps in the phone to look up about the stuff i forget during our conversations and then continue with the meeting.
It is just so natural this phone, compared to all previous ones. the best thing is, it's small, it can go anywhere, even under water if you put it on one of those waterproof bags for PDAs available on DX
If being able to do everything you need to do at anywhere and at anytime is not efficient for you, then i don't know what is, but for me that is exactly the type of device i need to do my work, and hobby, and entertainment, and picture, and recording, and specially the GPS as i use it every day while i drive, my Speedo in the car is broken.
was trying to install some custom mods to the car and screwed up the speedo needle fuel tank needle is dead as well, good think it lights up when it runs low in gas.
All in all you don't need to believe me, but that is truly how magnificent this phone works for people that knows how to use it.
I give free lesson and consulting on how to use it and get the most out of it and people love it, as usual I'll extend my hand for anyone that needs help with the phone in the GTA area, just PM me to book for an appointment.
i carry the XDA App anyways, i use it all the time to check my PMs and forum topics when i'm idle
andrewluecke said:
I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.
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i have spare batteries too.. one i leave at work in case i forget.. i also use the external wall chargers.. the onese that go from purple to blue when charged... i have a couple of the g9 batteries i got from the samsung website and find they work even better than the g7 batteries..

I'll probably stick to my SGS and HP Elitebook 2730 tablet for when I need a larger display. With the extra battery slice on the latter I can easily rival the IPad's battery life yet do a heck of a lot more. It is heavier but I don't mind.
Given that Google says Froyo isn't designed for tablet use I'll probably hold off on the Tab either way though.
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funkeh said:
I've been browsing this forum for a little while now and found AllGamers threads very helpful indeed and it hasn't cost me a penny.
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that's usually a major thing i keep in mind, like to stick with FREE stuff, because i'm poor... well not exactly true, i just spend money like there's no tomorrow, buying whatever i feel like on the spot if it tickles my fancy.
so FREE helps a lot, LOL
99% of the apps i suggest from android market are free, as i try to save were i can, so that i can spend it else when when i go out drinking

Any further posts in this thread, by any member, that are not directly related to the thread topic (i.e. the relative merits of the Galaxy Tab vs. the regular SGS variants) will met with immediate disciplinary action.

Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?

Intratech said:
Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?
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I'm pretty sure once we (some one from XDA) can get their hands on a working unit, that might actually be possible
as the Tab shares so much in common with the SGS, except for the screen size
we might need to edit the Aspect Ratio / resolution on the Tabs ROM and we might be able to use on our phones
i like the Gmail app version running on the Tab, you can split the screen, we can't do it yet with our current version when in landscape mode
Outlook lovers will love that feature

Galaxy Gear vs. SmartWatch 2 vs. Omate TrueSmart

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Samsung Galaxy Gear is awesome, being able to root, use the Play Store, set your own launcher and all is great. After all, it's based on Jelly Bean (4.1.2 - I believe), but it's limited in many ways compared to the alternatives, and limited to certain devices... The Galaxy Gear is priced at $299.
The Sony SmartWatch 2 is limited in functionality, as far as we know, however I won't knock it as not too many people stateside have gotten their hands on one. That's at a $199 price point.
The Omate TrueSmart, (a KickStarter Funded Project that's available for Pre-Order w/ Dec. Shipping) on is a lot like the Galaxy Gear but has ruggedized properties, runs Android 4.2.2, has capability of running the Play Store (see below, as Lokifish Mars explains), water resistant, has a microphone, camera, speaker, is rootable, Bluetooth, microSD card support, and can even be used as a standalone phone, has complete stock Android interface, with add-ons for $299 w/ the higher RAM option.
To me its a no-brainer, Omate TrueSmart, right???
I own a prehistoric Sony Smartwatch, like the idea of smart watches, but what's with all the hype over the Gear? Why not go with the TrueSmart??? The Pebble seems stupid to me, only because for the price, it doesn't do THAT much for $199 and I'd rather spend $100 more on something more functional, even though I'll loose out on the super e-Ink low energy battery life technology. If money grows on trees in your family, buy them all if that's what makes you happy, but I'm just trying to be practical...
Yes, Google will probably release a smartwatch pretty soon, with Google Now/Search, but I doubt it'll be fully Android featured like the TrueSmart...
And I'm sure Apple will release an iWatch that has a clockface, pause/play button, and a few other features, (Siri with luck) for $129, and call it the First (using a stupid word like...) Innovative or Intellectual smartphone companion watch, and Samsung will eat them alive in court while Sony, Pebble, and Omate watch and eat popcorn while Samsung fights.
Excuse the large images, xda needs an image resizer, and I really don't feel like resizing them myself and reuploading... too much work, bleh...
*Please don't quote this entire OP, just reply, thank you! This thread is way to long for that*
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Yes, it is a no-brainer.
And where did you find that the gear could be rooted? Is a root available already?

That URL shows the top smartwatches, sweet! Omate TrueSmart beats them all for the most part. Also, the Gear can be rooted, xda thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2480429
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deedscreen said:
That URL shows the top smartwatches, sweet! Omate TrueSmart beats them all for the most part. Also, the Gear can be rooted, xda thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2480429
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Thank you, updated the website to show that. But yes, the TrueSmart ousts pretty much all of them, in nearly every category. It's ridiculous.

They still haven't figured out how to get the internet working on the gear as far as I know. Since it doesn't have wifi they have to figure out how to get it through bluetooth.
Either way, here's my opinion.
Get the Omate if you want something that can do more than be an accessory to your phone. Or if you want an accessory that has the most rooting and messing around with potential. It blows the others out of the water in terms of specs.
Get the Gear if you just strictly want an accessory, and maybe want to run specific apps on it. If you really want to get into rooting and stuff you'll probably want it to have the sensors and radios it doesn't have. I find that with my Motoactv...I want it to have a cellular antenna so it has internet all the time, no wifi or bluetooth messing around. Yeah, it's still totally rad, but it could be BETTER. Enter the Omate.
Get the Sony if you want strictly an accessory. Stay away even if you have the slightest inclination to mess around with it cause you can't. It's running on a proprietary OS. If however it does everything you want, I'd get it over the gear to save some money and get a slimmer device.

It feels like Omate vs. Sony Smartwatch/Gear is like Android vs. iOS respectively, why limit yourself, especially when you're paying around the same price... If the device is so limited, why price it with the big boys?
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I have used the gear and it's a great toy but this really is a no brainer.
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Sadly this is not correct. Here's what we do know.
TrueSmart will initially ship with it's own app store.
No version of Android 4.3.1 and lower will ever officially support Google Services (Play Store, Gmail app and so on) on smartwatches like the TrueSmart. This now leaves only versions of Android that haven't even been announced yet and tells folks that if they are running 4.3.1 or lower then they will not have official Google Services.
A PC based app, root or custom recovery is being looked at to allow non-developer editions running 4.3.1 or lower the ability to push unofficial Google Services to the TrueSmart.
Here's what we don't know
Will Android 4.4 or higher support smartwatches like the TrueSmart.
Will the TrueSmart receive certification for Android 4.4 or higher to include official Google Services.
Why does my cat like eating plastic.
*All that aside I still think the TrueSmart is a more capable device out of the box. The specs also allow for a more long term lifespan with regards to Android versions and apps updates.

@Lokifish Marz That is true, I saw a Play demo, and what I read about the Play store was unofficial, and Loki - it's been a while, since the Photon days haha. (OP updated).
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deedscreen said:
@Lokifish Marz That is true, I saw a Play demo, and what I read about the Play store was unofficial, and Loki - it's been a while, since the Photon days haha. (I'll update OP).
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It has been a while. Five different devices later and I ended up back on the Photon.
With repos dropping off for Ubuntop I figured it was time to move on and will be on two different smartwatches for the foreseeable future. The TS will be my main device though.

Marz is dead on.
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Smartwatch Comparison – Samsung Galaxy Gear Vs Omate TrueSmart Vs Sony SmartWatch 2 V
Check out this comparison. This has covered Samsung Galaxy Gear, Omate TrueSmart, Sony SmartWatch 2, Pebble Smartwatch.
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raghav280392 said:
Check out this comparison. This has covered Samsung Galaxy Gear, Omate TrueSmart, Sony SmartWatch 2, Pebble Smartwatch.
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Unfortunately, the comparison is based on a tech spec which is useless. You need a hands'on comparison from someone who has been using these watches for awhile.

the Omate TrueSmart isn't a no-brainer for everyone, it all depends on what you want from your (smart)watch
i have the smartwatch 2 now, but i wouldn't even call it a smartwatch, it's just a second display, the real magic happens on your phone and it can't do much without it
but that's fine with me, all i wanted from a smartwatch, when i first found out they existed, is:
1) it can act as a watch (duh )
2) not be huge, preferably less then 10mm thick
3) display notifications coming from my phone (facebook/twitter/whatsapp/etc)
4) have a battery life of at least 3-4 days
5) be waterproof
that really hasn't changed, i don't need a watch to replace my smartphone
i'm not going to read email/news/etc or surf the wen on my watch, my Butterfly S is perfect for that, 5 inch 1080p screen, not even the Neptune Pine comes close
the sw2 does most of those things right, but it doesn't seem like Sony is too interested in making it a success, releasing it without options shown in presentations and even on the box it comes in
the latest update has solved some issues and some watch faces were added, but overall i'm not impressed
and a really big one: the fact it fell apart within 2 months
and it's happening quite a lot, plenty of posts on xda and sony mobile forum, some even reported it falling apart after 3 days!
that's why i think for me the HOT Watch is a 'no-brainer', it does all those 5 things, with as added bonus, the private call function. i'm really looking forward trying that out
maybe in couple of years, smartwatches will replaces smartphones, but that will need flexible displays and much better batteries

I can only speak from an experience of reading about Gear and SW2, and having TS for a few days
Gear and SW2 will have all the notification working as expected tethered to your phone, and rooting Gear will give you a true android experience, although battery life is not that good. Plus, try to go outside with Gear shoveling snow (we just got our first storm in NJ), and getting it wet - forget 'bout it. Proprietary charger is not ideal either. Sony SW2 sounds like having a lot of build quality issues; it's alarming when I read posts on xda about screen coming off, etc. It should work fine with notifications (I talked to Augmented SW Pro developer - it's fully supported), you get some level of waterproof protection, regular micro-usb charging, and you can run some apps on it, but obviously it's not a true Android experience. I also like an idea of time always being displayed on SW2.
True Smart, hard to form an impression yet since I just installed Loki's ROM and can only use it as a mini android wifi device on my wrist. I don't have GSM sim card, on Verizon with CDMA, and personally think it makes no sense to drain your battery with 3G or even wi-fi use. It is a stand alone mini android watch so you can run different apps, browse the web, check emails, type on it, etc. But since I have a developers edition sent to me for review purpose, the software is not currently available. I mean, there is no way for me to have bt connection to my Note 2 to push notifications - the #1 purpose of any smart watch as a remote display of your out-of-sight phone. At the current moment, I can't properly review it until the final release of firmware and companion phone app is available. In general, the camera is really useful as POV action video cam, but awkward to take pictures. Bracelet is made out of a very cheap rubber material. The watch is a bit bulky, but it feels VERY solid inside of metal casing. Display is responsive, and the issues I'm seeing (like sometime back swipe from within apps doesn't respond as Back android key) probably due to firmware issues. Once a final firmware/software is released - this smartwatch going to SHINE!!! But until then, I will wait before writing my review. It's funny how a lot of people pre-ordered Dev edition in hope to receive it asap, but getting it earlier doesn't mean they can start enjoying it to full potential right away.

GG has 4.2.2 lol

Interesting to read these posts--in the light of current Non-News from Omate--I realise that @vectron and @lokifish have both got their hands on versions of the TrueSmart but, most of the rest of us are still waiting to form any sort of opinion.
Some folks talk about 'asking for refunds' based on some negative feedback, delivery date shenanigans, etc.. but I am still waiting, fairly patiently, to really find out what the Omate is all about.
P.S. I found @ClearD's website with comparisons of most current Smartwatches very interesting--thanks.

For me, its the Truesmart. I don't want a big phone and the 5" phones are so powerful now that the screen isn't capable of keeping up. For example, Injustice: Gods Among Us and other HD games can't be fully appreciated on a phone. Surfing the web is a pain.
So I've switched to using a tablet for games, surfing, watching movies etc. I will use the watch for simple things like picking up MMS, emails, phone calls etc while I'm out the house. If I'm at the gym or out for a run, I don't need to bring a phone, I'll just wear the watch.
If I'm travelling, I'll take my tablet and use the watch to create a WiFi hotspot.
This means I don't need amazing specs from the watch but the stand alone phone function and ability to create a WiFi hotspot are critical. I will upgrade my tablet instead of my phone, which is a much cheaper option - new tablets cost £200-£300, whereas new phones are £600ish.
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I had a Sony smartwatch 2, it was a boring device and I don't know why. Today I have a Galaxy gear and I love it, now that we can enable notifications for every app, I really love it. I am considering buying a Qualcom Toq, does anyone have one and want to share your opinions?
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Yotaphone 3 wishlist

Fingerprint scanner
Faster epd
Led light on epd for night reading
4gb ram
64-128 storage
Theme engine
Same screen size for front and back.
Etc
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I would like to see better EPD with reduced ghosting, bigger storage, and most importantly: lower price. The price has been the biggest issue (apart from availability) which has been keeping the developer community so small: if there are no users, why bother creating applications for the device?
But based on the few articles I've read, most of these issues are being worked on for the next iteration: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/0...taphone-2c-heres-whats-coming-next-from-yota/
Edit. Oh yes, a notification led. There is no way seeing if you've got messages apart from opening the front screen in the dark. The led should be placed on one of the sides so it would be visible no matter which screen was facing up.

When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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adamo86 said:
When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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Curious. Well, the specs are falling behind pretty fast, and I think the big mobile giants had just released a new devices around that time. (S6 or the Edge, whatever it was called)
The cancellation of North America's launch migth actually move the release date of Yotaphone 3 closer than it was planned before, because now they don't need to get rid of those North America specific Yotaphones and wait for the market to settle and be ready for new iteration. Hopefully they can compete with the other flagship phones feature and valuewise.

If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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Agreed. The development of 3rd party apps was greatly hindered because they released the SDK so late in the device's life cycle - and it's still in beta! The documentation is terrible, if not non-exsistent, and there are very few examples and/or tutorials. I practically had to tear the existing applications apart to get an idea how to do basic things. Also, I still haven't been able to get the emulator to work, so you basically NEED to have an actual device to develop anything. So it really isn't that developer friendly at the moment.
When it comes to 1st party apps, I think they have been quite alright. There is still room for improvement, but as of the latest updates I am ok with the current state. Most likely their development team has been working on bringing the support for Lollipop, so that has taken majority of their time.

Love the V2 phone a lot but too much wrong with it. I am an e-ink enthusiast and I think the display on this phone is fine... there is always a tradeoff between 'cleanliness' and speed... see this vid I made for the Nook https://vimeo.com/67164582 - and really if you want an outdoor phone, this is the only one on the market!
My wishlist
1) Actually have the battery life work as promised. My old Samsung Note does as well and it doesn't have an EPD or any fancy energy saving modes. The Y2 seems to last a couple of days on standby in Lollipop, not impressive.
2) Manage the heat properly in the phone, so it doesn't get excessively hot: that's a sign that (1) above isn't working properly - if your processor is working overtime when just reading stuff you have a problem
3) Make the case openable, so you can replace the battery, otherwise you're doomed to binning the phone after a 18 months- 2 years, and values of secondhand phones will(and are) reflecting that.
4 )Get the software written somewhere where things like QA, unit testing,documentation etc are culturally acceptable. Better to do these things well and deliver small but robust functionality. Okay, it won't sell a stack of phones but at least your service/support lines won't be jammed... and you never know, some of the folks on this forum (and me) might write some software for it!
5) Put a reasonable camera on the phone, unless you like all your shots looking like they are done in the Mosow subway...
6) Hardware buttons on the 'front' of the phone to do things like home, back etc. Makes better use of that lovely display(which is good imho)
7) Sell it with a bumper to protect the phone or make it more robust.
8) Allow you to remove the ABBYY spyware service (a dictionary that needs to know my contacts???) without rooting.
I might get another one but they seem prone to bomb out and get unrecoverable.. it is a big gamble...

It would seem that Yota is teaming up with ZTE for YotaPhone 3: http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-3-zte-yota-642364/
Interesting to see what this means in practice. ZTE at least has the volume in production Yota has been severely lacking.

My whishlist:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?

On my wishlist, there would of course be many point already mentioned by other posters, but here's the top features I'm currently missing on my Yotaphone 2, and that I'd like to see in the Yotaphone 3:
1) First and foremost, a backlight for the EPD screen. I mean, my 100 Euros e-ink reader (Kobo Aura) features a user-selectable (on/off, and brightness level) backlight on its b&w e-ink display, and even when keeping the backlight always on at the minimum setting, I still get a month worth of battery life on a singe charge. Don't get me wrong, the EPD, is wonderfull in daylight, when there sunshine, etc. But right now, I find myself using my Kobo reader half the time because I can keep on reading in the dark, when my wife's asleep.
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
3) Third party software. As stated above, due to the limitations of the EPD (lack of backlight) I still find myself using my Kobo reader, and the lack of EPD-enabled Kobo-compatible e-reader application makes it a PITA to keep my ebook in sync between the two devices. Sure, I could use the Kobo reader on the Yotaphone, but the application is terrible and doesn't suport the EPD.
4) A dictionary that do work. Heck, I even went as far as spending a couple of bucks on additional dictionaries for Abby on the Yotaphone, but it seems that the more dictionaries I add, the less definitions it finds when I lookup an english word in my ebooks...
5) Hardware button, LED notifications, removable battery are definitely on my list, but only after a memory expansion slot (microSD), as 32Gb is definitely too small to hold a decent amount of audio/video.
6) I vote in favor of the better camera, but I'd particularly would appreciate a bigger framerate allowing slow motion videos like on the iPhone/iPod. My kids and wife can produce some great slow-motion videos on their Apple devices, and I can't. Life's not fair... )

euroclie said:
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
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What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?

Jeopardy said:
What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?
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I'm really happy with the Pebble Time's color display.
Sure enough, the colors/brightness are far, far from an Apple Watch, say, or my previous smartwatch (Moto 360). But in sunlight the screen is wonderfully easy to read. In poor lighting conditions (indoor, night, whatever....) you do need the backlight, though, but initially I had the motion detection enabled to have the screen automatically backlit when moving my arm to read time, but I found out that most of the time it wasn't needed, and was using power, so now I just press a button (back button) when I need the backlight, and regardless of motion detection the battery life is impressive.
No ghosting at all, unlike the EPD on the Yotaphone, and I didn't completely drain the Pebble battery so I can't be 100% sure that the last image stays on the display in that case.

MCManuelLP said:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?
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Yp2 does have nfc
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Yp2 does have nfc
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Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.

MCManuelLP said:
Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.
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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?

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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?
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I'm going with same tactic as I did with the Yota 2 - google phone name every day once. Nothing solid on dates yet, all we really know it's it's meant to come this year and ZTE are building it.

Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa

kam1962 said:
Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa
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They tried with the indiegogo approach, it didn't outcome well. They could insert the HSPA. Here on Brazil they got the LTE network right, but they didn't move yet.
It's a small company and I hope it gets bigger. They try to sell advances in cellphone tecnology, since most of the others big names on the market just update hardware and software, with no thinking outside the box like before.
I just think the prices are too high. Got myself a second hand one (yet yotaphone 1), really amazing device. I need lots of reading, so this device is just great to me.
I hope yota3 comes to USA and other countries.
Best wishes!

Good luck finding a Chinese manufacturer that listens to the needs of existing customers. But at least they will produce a phone with a competitive price.
Wish list? I agree with others' lists, to keep up the radical reputation will require a large colour EPD.

OUKITEL A58 - Information & Reviews - 1.61" IPS | MT2502C | Metal

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Review
README: Being my first Smart Watch review, you might not expect a great review but...you only can say it
Introduction
This is the second SmartWatch released by OUKITEL, the A58. It is an huge upgrade compared to the previous A28, with a sharp IPS screen, excellent speaker quality and innovative UI.
It is powered by the common MT2502C CPU by Mediatek, this is the 2nd gen. of SmartWatch CPU that provides better performance and so on
Unboxing
The package contains basic accessories: 1x Charging Dock, 1x Micro-USB Cable, 1x Manual and the SmartWatch (of course)
Its charging dock feels pretty solid, but it isn't so friendly with the Metal Chassis, infact you will notice that i scratched the device near the power button. I recommend to add something soft that doesn't allow the chassis to be in direct contact with the plastic.
Design & Features
Unlike some other smartwatches, this comes with a Metal Chassis supported by a Plastic Back Cover. Also, it comes with a real-leather wrist, that in my case is Black, with Golden Chassis. I know, the color might not be appreciated by some users, but there is also a Silver version that looks pretty good, especially if you replace the leather wrist with a metal wrist.
On the right side there is the Power/Action Button, while on the back side there are the Charging Dock Pins and the Heartrate Sensor.
Its 1.61" IPS screen is just great, do not trust my photos because they look weird, but in real-life i can guarantee you that it is excellent. High-Brightness, Sharp and with Vivid Colors, probably the best small screen i have ever seen. Also, OUKITEL declares to use Sapphire Glass (you'll find a pre-installed plastic protector that i have removed), and it might be true (i can't be sure though) because i'm not able to see any scratch on the screen even after many days of usage. Well Done OUKITEL!
This doesn't mean that it is perfect, its high-brightness isn't battery-friendly. I can't reach more than 1 day and a half with a full charge. I don't know if this is normal or not, but others might prefer a larger battery. I plug my smartwatch every time i have access to the charging dock, basically every time i get back home, so this isn't a problem for me.
As regards the UI, there are many useful features such as Stopwatch, Pedometer, Calendar and many others. Just see my photos below to see all available features.
Even if there is a Pedometer & Sleep Monitor, they have to be activated in order to be used, it means that those features do not work as on Smart Bands where everything is automatically managed. I think this has been made to save battery, so yeah this is a nice idea, but for those for think to replace their Smart Bands it might be an issue.
There are some Clock UIs available that you can choose. Here you can see two of them, Analog & Digital. I'm using the Digital Clock because it is easier to read, and modern.
Notifications are handled through the Android's (or iOS depending on your device) app, and they work almost perfect, except Whatsapp Notification when you have multiple messages, because they get merged without having a list to access. Skype, Telegram and others work perfect though.
The Messaging app doesn't have any issue, you can read all the Device's messages and reply using quick-replies just like "I'll reply you later" or a simple smile "". You can't reply with your own messages, but it is still better than nothing.
As regards the Phone management, it works unexpectedly great. The Dialer is easy-to-use, and the Contacts app is smooth and manages to get also different numbers from the single contact (e.g. a contact with two numbers, mobile and work).
Also the Audio Quality while in-call is good, the Loudspeaker is so loud that the whole SmartBand almost vibrates just like a Subwoofer when there are low frequencies. Voice gets a bit distorted on maximum volume, but with medium volume it is just fine.
When it comes to Audio Quality using BT Music, then you can find the best quality even at maximum volume. Sincerely i'm impressed, it sounds even better than some Smartphone's Speaker. It can be used as a Mini Bluetooth Speaker, but only if you don't mind about battery life hehe.
The Heartbeat Sensor seems to work fine, i don't have another one that i can use to make a comparision, but it seems to be accurate enough and also pretty fast. It just needs 5-10 seconds to get calibrated.
Android App
This is where all Mediatek Smartwatches lose their quality. The Official App linked by OUKITEL in the A58's Manual is the "Fundo Wear" app but....on Android 6 it doesn't work. So i had to use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app that basically is the same app, provided by the same app publisher, but with less features. (no pedometer sync, no sleep monitor sync)
It has almost everything that you need to manage the SmartWatch though. Notifications can be choosen just by triggering the requested apps.
There is the Alert feature that allows you to set the maximum distance between the Device and the SmartWatch so that you won't lose it easily. Basically, it records the Bluetooth Signal Level, and based on this data it alerts you as soon it gets lower. That's a nice feature, but highly dependent on your Device's BT Antenna.
It is also required to Sync Contacts to the SmartWatch and everything else. The only features that you won't be able to manage are: Pedometer, Sleep Monitor and Heartrate. If you have an Android 5.1 device, then you can install the other app and manage also these features.
Conclusion
This device has an huge potential inside, and it is probably one of the best available SmartWatch without Android Wear, but OUKITEL should develop an ad-hoc Android App that would make it even better than how is it now without compatibility issues between different Android versions.
I can't find anything else negative, considering its low-price and high-quality materials, i can say that this is the best-buy unless you don't like its design. Recommended!
Pros:
High-Fidelity & Bright Screen
Great Sound Quality
Full of Sensors (Gesture, Heartrate...)
Sapphire Glass
Cheap
Cons:
Mediocre Battery Life
Low-Quality Android App
Available only with Leather Wrist
Rating: 8.5
Packaging and Accessories: 8
Design and Materials: 9
Performance & Usage: 8
Screen: 9
Sound: 9.5
Battery Life: 7
Price: 9
You can find full-res images (I know, Quality isn't excellent) here: http://imgur.com/a/0F0qk
Official Website: http://www.oukitel.com/products/a/a58-50.html
You can buy it on many online shops.​

Great review, for me being able to reply to notification through voice dictation is a must have.... I'm surprised that any watch realised in 2016 can't do it.
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gingerdude said:
Great review, for me being able to reply to notification through voice dictation is a must have.... I'm surprised that any watch realised in 2016 can't do it.
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There is Siri feature, that works with Google Now (Android) and Siri (Apple), so...this is a nice workaround to real voice dictation

Alberto96 said:
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Hi. Do you still use this watch? What is your opinion now, after long time usage?
Do you find solution for Android 6?
What about battery life?

Lovetz said:
Hi. Do you still use this watch? What is your opinion now, after long time usage?
Do you find solution for Android 6?
What about battery life?
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I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.

Alberto96 said:
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice app".
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Is it the same as Mediatek SmartDevice app?

Lovetz said:
Is it the same as Mediatek SmartDevice app?
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Yeah based on that app.

Error charging
After one week of usage it stoped charging. It says " error charging".

Fernando Franco said:
After one week of usage it stoped charging. It says " error charging".
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Retry many times, i recommend you to restore the device to factory settings because it is a firmware bug.

Alberto96 said:
I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.
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Hi. I receive my watch today and try Fundo Wear from Google Play in my Xiaomi Redmi 3s with MIUI8 based in Android 6.0.1. And Fundo Wear works fine.

Oukitel a58
Alberto96 said:
I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.
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Hi
Do you still have this smartwatch?
I bought one this xmas to offer my wife, but it doesn't look good... That battery just lasts 2/3 hours...
How do you charge it? on the computer? i've been using my smartphone charger of 5V and 1A... Have i ****ed the battery off?

RSGI said:
Hi
Do you still have this smartwatch?
I bought one this xmas to offer my wife, but it doesn't look good... That battery just lasts 2/3 hours...
How do you charge it? on the computer? i've been using my smartphone charger of 5V and 1A... Have i ****ed the battery off?
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Sure, i still have it. 2/3 hours is just impossible, are you sure that yours isn't faulty?
Any USB charger can charge it, even a 5V/3A is just fine, the Smartwatch will just use the correct current from the charger (that should be pretty low, less than 0.5A)

how long does your battety lasts if you keep the step counter ative/enabled all the time?

RSGI said:
how long does your battety lasts if you keep the step counter ative/enabled all the time?
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I don't keep it on, this isn't a sport watch, it isn't optimized for this usage.

How do i STOP calls coming through my watch? I disable Call Service & Phone from the all notification & system app. And tried different FunDo app's, nothing works!!

cagedtony said:
How do i STOP calls coming through my watch? I disable Call Service & Phone from the all notification & system app. And tried different FunDo app's, nothing works!!
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From your device, go to Bluetooth Settings, press on the "Gear" icon near the name of the watch, and uncheck the relevant option (Phone audio).

Ticwatch S&E - what is your opinion & More information

Hi guys,
The Ticwatch S&E powered by Android Wear 2.0 will be releasing soon.
What do you guys think of these new watches?
Link to the Kickstarter page: http://kck.st/2h2OqGj
Personally I have good faith in the watch because it is produced by a company that has been founded by ex-Googlers and has been supported by Google.
Pro's:
- OLED Display.
- Cheap.
- With the E model you can swap the watch band.
Cons:
- No NFC.
- Plastic instead of metal..
- With the S model you can't swap the watch band
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I bought the TicWatch2 and the support have terrible, so I don't trust the company.

Harboe said:
I bought the TicWatch2 and the support have terrible, so I don't trust the company.
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That's a shame I hope they'll do a better job with this watch

S&E model will use Android wear 2.0 instead of ticwear OS.
For Android user is better than iOS user.

Hi there, i will not buy this watch, because of having the ticwatch 2 onyx black since 1 year. It is running without problems and I use it every day. Iam happy with it. The only advantage of the new one is Andoidwear2, but not more. I hope they will port it on my ticwatch 2 Have a nice day...

Mtk is a killer for many. It is a deal breaker.

Kinda sad how no one is able to top the original Huawei Watch. It came out in September 2015!

I've first backed for the TicWatch S on Kickstarter but witthdrawn my pledge as IP67 is really not enough for me, I was really excited about the TiWact S when first heard of it, but the lack of a proper Water Proofing (not water resist) made go for the Nixon MIssion, of course it's a far more expensive watch but it also is tougher.

thklinge said:
Kinda sad how no one is able to top the original Huawei Watch. It came out in September 2015!
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i think the lg u2 tops all. and its also from 2015 (ok last rev. 2016)

I just received the Ticwatch E, I backed it on Kickstarter. Honestly, I just wanted to be able to change watch faces whenever I felt like it and it was only $99.00. If you have questions I'll try to answer them.

I just got mine and I love it a ton. It's exactly what I want, which is notifications on my wrist, and Google Assistant in my wrist. I'm already missing a lot less notifications. It's also charging quite fast! Two hours for a full charge at most.

I got mine delivered yesterday (S Model). So far I like it! I have a Moto 360 Gen2 so it's not a huge upgrade but it's more responsive and yes it seems to charge really fast.

wyrmbyte said:
I just received the Ticwatch E, I backed it on Kickstarter. Honestly, I just wanted to be able to change watch faces whenever I felt like it and it was only $99.00. If you have questions I'll try to answer them.
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Just got mine a few days ago - I will say this - it's worth the $

Hi I have also just received them and I found them to perfectly fit my needs.
I have one question however hoping to find positive answer. As you might know, there is NFC chip on the watch as well, however is disabled thanks to some Android Wear security rules. Do you think there will be a way how to enable the NFC chip?
Having working NFC on the watch would be really nice bonus.

Ticwatch S impressions
I got my Ticwatch S on Thursday last week and I am mostly disappointed with the watch. My main complaints are:
1. The wakeup gesture doesn't work reliably. Most of the time it doesn't detect my wrist gesture and stays dark. Sometimes it needs around a second to detect it and to lit up.
2. The battery life is horrible. It hardly lasts more than a day, sometimes even less.
3. The OK Google command is not working very well. You need either to talk very close to the microphone or try couple of times to make it working. In general I think this is a problem of the microphone, because it doesn't work reliably in other applications as well
4. The watch is not very legible exposed to direct sunlight and it lacks automatic brightness which makes it extra bright during the night and not very bright during the day.
5. There is a rainbow effect around the screen edges, which is a bit annoying
6. I think also that the watch is a bit bulky and a bit on the heavy side, also the strap is made of rubber so your wrist sweats a lot during exercises.
And last but not least the Ticwatch forum is complete garbage. I tried to post two threads regarding my initial impressions and a question about how to switch from Fahrenheit to Celsius in the forum and they never showed up there, which means that the admins didn't approve them! So my advice is not to buy any Mobvoi product!

Ticwatch E compass ???
wyrmbyte said:
I just received the Ticwatch E, I backed it on Kickstarter. Honestly, I just wanted to be able to change watch faces whenever I felt like it and it was only $99.00. If you have questions I'll try to answer them.
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Have you been able to find and use the E-compass supposed to be built in the watch??
I can't find any compass app in the watch and any I've installed from Play don't work (either with location turned off or on). GPS works well, but compass seems dead or absent?
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Vojta1 said:
Hi I have also just received them and I found them to perfectly fit my needs.
I have one question however hoping to find positive answer. As you might know, there is NFC chip on the watch as well, however is disabled thanks to some Android Wear security rules. Do you think there will be a way how to enable the NFC chip?
Having working NFC on the watch would be really nice bonus.
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Hi, don't know your source of information, but to the best of my knowledge Ticwatch S & E use a Mediatek CPU that has no NFC and there is no other NFC built into the watch.
I'll be overjoyed to be proved wrong of course!!

gstoyanov said:
2. The battery life is horrible. It hardly lasts more than a day, sometimes even less.
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^this!!! I also have the S model.
I am truly much more satisfied with my two year old Fossil Q Founder 1st Generation. There is also a lot of trouble with Google Fit. The values are all over the place. I sent several tickets to the support and haven't received any answers, just a note that the message has been received.
So far a bad expereince. And I thought OnePLus has terrible customer service...

Dito13 said:
^this!!! I also have the S model.
I am truly much more satisfied with my two year old Fossil Q Founder 1st Generation. There is also a lot of trouble with Google Fit. The values are all over the place. I sent several tickets to the support and haven't received any answers, just a note that the message has been received.
So far a bad expereince. And I thought OnePLus has terrible customer service...
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What really drives me crazy about this Ticwatch is that my two threads didn't even appear in their forum. I got a message that they have to be approved by the admin beforehand and then disappeared. I guess they are even censoring their own forum. After couple of days of use with the watch I can report that the battery is lasting not more than 24 hours with very little usage. This is far from the advertised 2 full days. Usually if I track an exercise I need to re-charge it more often.

It would be interesting if someone would find a way to gain root access on this smartwatch. I can confirm that there is NFC and that it is not enabled because the processor doesn't support android pay, but in Chinese version NFC is enabled.

I was a super early bird backer of the S model on the Kickstarter campaign. So far my experiences seem atypical:
1. Got my tracking number and received my watch with no real issues.
2. Battery life for me seems pretty good. As I'm writing this, I am at 30hrs of use with 25% charge left. I have both bluetooth and wifi on, display set at 4 (is that 75%?) , OK Google detection is ON, Always on display is OFF.
3. Wake up gesture is ok, not as laggy as what I have read from others. I'd say it wakes about 90% pf the time.
4. Google Assistant detection only seems to work when screen is on, but i think that is how its supposed to be right? It recognizes the OK Google prompt, pretty well for me, however, I have been told by many many people that I am a loud talker.
Overall, I'm digging it, and am pretty happy with what I got from a $119 investment.