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OK -- what can I really use if for?

Please don't get me wrong -- I think the Shift represents a great advancement in UMPC technology. Having WM6 and WinVista (or WinXP) combined on 1 device is, IMHO, a super idea. And the form factor and build quality are very good. I'm impressed and, as Jenn at Pocketables pointed out, it's fun to use -- kind of grabs you. But unlike Jenn, I'm not ready to say I'll not part with it. I've liberated WM6 so I have as full a use of the WM6 side as I believe is so far available. I've got Vista humming, at least as much as the 1G RAM can live with. But if this is as far as I can go I don't see much more than another "gadget" to add to my collection. The 1G RAM limit is a show stopper -- slows the machine down and really limits what I can do in Vista. The 64MB limit in WM6, combined with inability to access the SD card slot (or even the USB slot) means my WM6 is crippled -- hardly any of what I'm accustomed to using can be routinely done. Throw in the 2 hr battery limitation in Vista -- it just isn't a very good "solution" for a road warrior.
I realize there are folks hard at work to improve on these and I commend them (and have contributed to the Shift Project) -- I really hope they succeed. But I have to say that what I'm looking at from HTC is, at best, a "beta" version -- they have so limited what's inside the box that it's hardly useful for anything. Considering the growing competition I doubt HTC will hold much share of this market.

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Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
A road warrior it is not. A media powerhouse it is not. A tiny portable always on email and document viewer/editor, plus web browser it is. I get 2.5hrs on Vista browsing the web - same as almost every other laptop I've ever owned, so I'm not surprised really...altho again, Vista leaves much to be desired in this respect - a spinning hard drive kills batteries.
I agree with you regarding the things they didn't get right - SnapVue is just silly right out of the box and Vista is a mistake. HTC really fvcked up there.
This device kind of reminds me of the Sony C1V picturebook I had (with that horrible Crusoe processor - if you think this chip is slow, that thing was lifeless)...awesome for what I wanted but that's where it stops...it doesn't extend beyond that and I'm comfy with that.
To answer the question, I use my Shift when I travel. I used to take my HX4700 but bluetooth 3G connection was slow, Opera was slow for browsing and the screen too small really. I had a b/tooth key board which was OK but another piece of kit that needed batteries and sync'ing etc etc. Now I carry a v. small bag with me when away and it holds the Shift, power packs, Archos 504, headphones and a few other bits and bobs...all I need. On planes I can type my reports in Mobile Word, sync it to Vista and tart them up and send. In hotels I can surf the web at my own pace on HSDPA with it plugged in to AC (on high performance setting). I can adjust my webpage using filezilla etc etc....basically all the things I couldn't do on the HX4700 (which I now use as a support device for the Archos, and as a GPS)....the Shift really filled my requirements. I almost bought the Fujitsu U1010 but the ones here didn't have 3G built in and the keyboard was harder to use that the Shift.
Next version, should HTC shift (no pun intended) enough of these first ones, should ideally have:
1. Higher res screen
2. Bigger hard disk
3. SnapVue fully functional with SD card, WiFi access etc etc
4. XP as an option
5. A battery compartment that allows for an extended one to be added
Aside from that, I still like my Shift and use it almost everyday...

FOOFTR said:
Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
A road warrior it is not. A media powerhouse it is not. A tiny portable always on email and document viewer/editor, plus web browser it is. I get 2.5hrs on Vista browsing the web - same as almost every other laptop I've ever owned, so I'm not surprised really...altho again, Vista leaves much to be desired in this respect - a spinning hard drive kills batteries.
I agree with you regarding the things they didn't get right - SnapVue is just silly right out of the box and Vista is a mistake. HTC really fvcked up there.
This device kind of reminds me of the Sony C1V picturebook I had (with that horrible Crusoe processor - if you think this chip is slow, that thing was lifeless)...awesome for what I wanted but that's where it stops...it doesn't extend beyond that and I'm comfy with that.
To answer the question, I use my Shift when I travel. I used to take my HX4700 but bluetooth 3G connection was slow, Opera was slow for browsing and the screen too small really. I had a b/tooth key board which was OK but another piece of kit that needed batteries and sync'ing etc etc. Now I carry a v. small bag with me when away and it holds the Shift, power packs, Archos 504, headphones and a few other bits and bobs...all I need. On planes I can type my reports in Mobile Word, sync it to Vista and tart them up and send. In hotels I can surf the web at my own pace on HSDPA with it plugged in to AC (on high performance setting). I can adjust my webpage using filezilla etc etc....basically all the things I couldn't do on the HX4700 (which I now use as a support device for the Archos, and as a GPS)....the Shift really filled my requirements. I almost bought the Fujitsu U1010 but the ones here didn't have 3G built in and the keyboard was harder to use that the Shift.
Next version, should HTC shift (no pun intended) enough of these first ones, should ideally have:
1. Higher res screen
2. Bigger hard disk
3. SnapVue fully functional with SD card, WiFi access etc etc
4. XP as an option
5. A battery compartment that allows for an extended one to be added
Aside from that, I still like my Shift and use it almost everyday...
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i agree and htc should also use SSD's to save more power and they should make sure they announce the correct specs.

FOOFTR said:
Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
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Point well taken -- I should have added that my comments were stated with the proverbial tongue in cheek. I was well aware of the Shift's limitations and purchased one out of curiosity -- I've followed it since its initial announcement and had cancelled my preorder after seeing the limitations being documented. But I saw this one on ebay for several hundred $ less than retail and decided to look at it for myself.
I agree with the suggestions made and really hope HTC listens (if they decide to stay in the UMPC market -- that's not a "for sure" thing). I've tried five different UMPC's as well as the Sony TZ "subnotebook" and have yet to find what I think I'm after -- a truly business capable device small enough for my purposes (and that's really subjective, I know) yet powerful enough to replace my usual notebook (13.3" XPS). I knew the Shift wouldn't do this -- its very short battery life is a show stopper although I could carry an external battery pack. But the limited RAM and the very limited usefulness of SnapVu make it relatively useless to me so I'll end up ebaying it.
I'd hoped to generate more discussion in the hope that collective experience and wisdom would prove useful to the UMPC market.

There are some very interesting viewpoints here.
I purchased mine after following the news stories for months. I purchased it the moment it was available in the UK and paid nearly £900.
I knew the limitations, but had to buy one of these! It gets used a lot in our house. And I am always doing things to it. It's leberated and its dual boot with XP.
I use it to tinker with, watch movies and surfing. The wife loves it too and surfs on the sofa while watching the tele, she prefers it to any of the laptop we have because of the size. My daughter took it away for the weekend recently too so she could surf. Its such a versitile device. And most of all, PEOPLE STARE AT IT ON THE TRAIN/PLANE WHEN I'M ON BUSINESS!!! I don't really use the liberated Snapvue, I don't need to when its dual boot.
If I had a wish list, I would love to see an SSD in it and another 1GB RAM. The processor is fine for what I use it for, so I have no grumbles there.
My eldest daughter wants it for school, so it'll be used for that full time in September when she is a year 10.
I do understand that to some people its limited in its application, but for us as a family, its one of the better toys we've purchased (and we buy a lot of techy toys/gadgets!) The joys of working in IT means I am addicted to buying new toys!
I'm actually sat here in the garden using HSDPA typing this. Apart from a couple of phones, I don't have another device with this ability. why be inside when its such a sunny evening!

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TIt's liberated and its dual boot with XP...... I don't really use the liberated Snapvue, I don't need to when its dual boot.
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What do you mean by "dual boot"? I have mine liberated but I'm not sure it dual boots?
Thanks!

brucewilsonpa said:
What do you mean by "dual boot"? I have mine liberated but I'm not sure it dual boots?
Thanks!
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Same here, I have dual boot, as in when powered up it asks whether you want to boot Vista or XP. Next stop, triple boot with Linux installed too, although that will be cutting it a bit fine for hard drive space.

Bruce, I think your comments, and the general community's will help deliver better products...I think they're constructive for sure.
I don't like it when people say product X sucks when indeed product X is not designed to do the very things they are comparing it against. I have read so many appalling reviews of the Shift - I'm ceratin 50% of the people won't have even used one...a classic is when someone said "the poky keyboard makes you wish for full size keyboard real estate..." - um, one cannot have a 7" screen device with an 18" keyboard...get real and take the device in the context it is meant for - maybe that's it, they cannot get their head around indeed what context this device resides/exists in. Maybe because they do not have a need for such a device it must be a failure? I mean, I don't need a concrete mixer so reviewing one would be pointless, and I'd end up saying things like "it doesn't sound as nice as my NAD stereo" - maybe they're the same.
Ah Pantaloonie, was loading XP as easy as booting from an XP disc/ISO (tablet I assume)? Thanks...

FOOFTR said:
Ah Pantaloonie, was loading XP as easy as booting from an XP disc/ISO (tablet I assume)? Thanks...
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Yup, almost that easy. Use Vista to partition off a few Gigs for XP, install XP, then use a Vista disc to repair the mbr so you can get back into Vista.
Then use VistaBootPro to create a boot menu.
I didn't use tablet edition at the time, and can't be bothered to go back and do it again; maybe next time I'm really bored I will.

FOOFTR said:
Maybe because they do not have a need for such a device it must be a failure? I mean, I don't need a concrete mixer so reviewing one would be pointless, and I'd end up saying things like "it doesn't sound as nice as my NAD stereo" - maybe they're the same.
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Hi FOOFTR,
yes, I like your comparison. Made me laugh. And I think what you say is right in all sorts of contexts. You make up something that wasn't said or done in the first place and then you go on bashing it.
Thanks!
S.

Pantaloonie said:
Yup, almost that easy. Use Vista to partition off a few Gigs for XP, install XP, then use a Vista disc to repair the mbr so you can get back into Vista.
Then use VistaBootPro to create a boot menu.
I didn't use tablet edition at the time, and can't be bothered to go back and do it again; maybe next time I'm really bored I will.
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Thats what I did.
I Used BartPE to make a bootable usb stick with xp pro on it. stole 6gb from Vista and installed xp pro. Viola, dual boot Shift!

7 reasons why move to WP7

Wondering what is the point of this thread? Well, simple. It is because of the fact,that many people have no idea what is Windows Phone 7 all about, and don't even know what they are missing. So these are the most important things why I don't use Android (nor WM) on my HD2 anymore.
1. Lighting fast booting.
There is no stock OS in the world which would be able to turn on the phone in less then 20 seconds. WP is.
2. Lighting fast reactions
There is no stock OS in the world with so snappy reactions. Never scrolled through my apps this fast.
3. Fastest gaming
WP7 gives you ability to play games with higher FPS compared to Android builds. Plus with the newest NoDo update for WP7 you can say good bye to the loading bar, because of the whole new way to load apps which actually makes loading time around 100% faster. See video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmv6rfrW-4&feature=related
4. Ability to record 720p videos
There is no other OS that gives you ability to record HD videos on your HD2, yet.
5. No more accidental making/answering phonecalls
Did your friends ever ***** that you were calling them, but didn't actually say anything, but you would swear you didn't call? Well, that's because the only thing that is neccesary to answer a phonecall is just to press the "green" button, and to make one, all you have to do is with unlocked screen press the button twice (altough it sounds impossible to turn on the screen and make phonecall all itself, it actually happened to me like 10 times. Not okay.) With the WP7, pressing that button won't do anything (it is linked to camera button). To answer the call you need to slide with your finger up, plus tap the little answer button in the middle of the screen (not at the bottom).
6. Things simply WORK
The WP7 is not like anything you ever seen, it simply works, no matter what are you doing, no restarts, no freezes. And despite it is relatively still in its early stages it has almost no bugs.
7. Modern look and feel
Looking at the home screen is like being in the gallery of art. It is so simple, that it is actually beautiful.
I can guarantee that after 2 days with this OS you are going to fall in love with it as much as i did. But always make sure you backed up your SD Card before switching to the wp, I didn't

Not trying to down play your enthusiasm for the new WP7 OS but I got my first hands on experience with a HTC Surround last night and all of what you said is true. I still found the OS lacking in a couple of areas, all of which are just personal issues. But the biggest issue I have with it not having multitasking is a very big deal breaker for me. But the OS is very smooth and sleek. I do think it is more of a OS for the masses and not for tweakers and moders like other OSs. Also I think it is very much focused on social networking and not business support or actual smartphone functionality. Just my opinion, glad you like your phone man.

I enjoyed my time with it.
Used it for about 2 1/2 months, but ultimately went back to Android for the selection of apps and the many variations of Android available for the HD2.
One thing about the WP7 ROM that frustrated me was the constant camera shots of the inside of my pocket... Can't tell you how many times that thing went off because the Green "Phone" button was held down by me sitting or something.
I may go back to it once multitasking is added and better apps become available.

T-Macgnolia said:
Not trying to down play your enthusiasm for the new WP7 OS but I got my first hands on experience with a HTC Surround last night and all of what you said is true. I still found the OS lacking in a couple of areas, all of which are just personal issues. But the biggest issue I have with it not having multitasking is a very big deal breaker for me. But the OS is very smooth and sleek. I do think it is more of a OS for the masses and not for tweakers and moders like other OSs. Also I think it is very much focused on social networking and not business support or actual smartphone functionality. Just my opinion, glad you like your phone man.
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it's an excellent OS and will definitely appeal to the masses. However it just won't appeal to people like me. Some people want more than something that simply looks good and works.

lolkoz said:
Wondering what is the point of this thread? Well, simple. It is because of the fact,that many people have no idea what is Windows Phone 7 all about, and don't even know what they are missing. So these are the most important things why I don't use Android (nor WM) on my HD2 anymore.
1. Lighting fast booting.
There is no stock OS in the world which would be able to turn on the phone in less then 20 seconds. WP is.
2. Lighting fast reactions
There is no stock OS in the world with so snappy reactions. Never scrolled through my apps this fast.
3. Fastest gaming
WP7 gives you ability to play games with higher FPS compared to Android builds. Plus with the newest NoDo update for WP7 you can say good bye to the loading bar, because of the whole new way to load apps which actually makes loading time around 100% faster. See video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmv6rfrW-4&feature=related
4. Ability to record 720p videos
There is no other OS that gives you ability to record HD videos on your HD2, yet.
5. No more accidental making/answering phonecalls
Did your friends ever ***** that you were calling them, but didn't actually say anything, but you would swear you didn't call? Well, that's because the only thing that is neccesary to answer a phonecall is just to press the "green" button, and to make one, all you have to do is with unlocked screen press the button twice (altough it sounds impossible to turn on the screen and make phonecall all itself, it actually happened to me like 10 times. Not okay.) With the WP7, pressing that button won't do anything (it is linked to camera button). To answer the call you need to slide with your finger up, plus tap the little answer button in the middle of the screen (not at the bottom).
6. Things simply WORK
The WP7 is not like anything you ever seen, it simply works, no matter what are you doing, no restarts, no freezes. And despite it is relatively still in its early stages it has almost no bugs.
7. Modern look and feel
Looking at the home screen is like being in the gallery of art. It is so simple, that it is actually beautiful.
I can guarantee that after 2 days with this OS you are going to fall in love with it as much as i did. But always make sure you backed up your SD Card before switching to the wp, I didn't
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1) Actually with the newer HTC Android phones (or if you run any Sense 2.0 ROM on an HTC phone), you can hibernate instead of fully shutting down and be up in less than 10 seconds.
2) That's because Google doesn't turn on hardware acceleration for the UI, but I believe Samsung's Galaxy S phones have it enabled.
3) Faster gaming because all WP7 phones out now use the same Snapdragon processor (even the Samsung Focus), so it's easier to develop games for one piece of hardware. Think iPhone.
4) That's not really a reason to switch to a different OS, but ok, I'll give you that.
The last 3 reasons are mainly aesthetics. Basically it depends on what you want to do; If you want things that "just work", go use WP7 or grab an iPhone. If you want to tinker and customize things, use Android. It's true, I've tried WP7 and it definitely is slick. I did get sick of the UI in a lot of apps, but it is a nice OS overall. However, in my case I like to tinker and that's why I use Android. I like that I can have different launchers. I like that, if I don't want to put my app up on the market, I can offer it somewhere else. I like that I'm not tied to desktop software.
Again, it's a nice OS, but not for everyday use for me. If I didn't care about tinkering with my phone and all I did was message people and talk on the phone, I'd probably grab a Blackberry Bold.

looks good is 1 thing
there are alot of other things which MUST work and MUST have
and WP7 is lacking at those areas, yet
believe it requires more enhancement (iOS took 2 years+) and hope Microsoft does something similiar, thought they are taking ages

WP7 is lacking at those areas?

GO to Windows mobile

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GO to Windows mobile
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+1 It is a shame the greatest device made to date is the last personal PDA/phone device that will ever have Widows Mobile as an operating system. All hail to Windows Mobile for showing the world what a mobile OS was suppose to be like and function like. Windows Mobile gives one the sense of true mobile computing in the palm of your hand.

tried wp7 for a maximum of 3 days, if i put together all the time spent using it. Personally.. i don't like it.
1. the feeling that a power user gets while using it. I don't feel like i'm using the phone, it's more like i'm tricking the phone to do what i want. i don't need zune crap, i don't neet default non customizable home screens, i need more functionality, i need a file explorer, i need usb storage, hell yeah.. i need a real wallpaper. I can get some of that.. but i got to hack the phone...
2. apple like sloppy market place. No, it's not about the few apps available (more will come). But if i want to install my own apps, if i simply download them from the pc and want to transfer, if i try some home cooked simple apps etc.. damn again.. i got to hack the phone first
3. Feels smoth and fast? Not enough for me. I want more then that. I have a 1ghz processor, some ****load of ram and 4.3 inch of screen to display 2-3 pages of insipid apps and that tom&jerry looking not customizable home screen. If i want simplicity and "things that simply work" i'll get an Iphone 3g and laugh at the face of MS that requires all that hardware components and about .. God knows how many years to develop some OS to do what my Iphone does with 1/3 resources. But i have the HD2, damn again.. i really want apps, i want functionality, i want to tweak the system.. but first i have to hack it
4. Nodo update brings us.. the glorified much awaited copy&paste functionality.. uaau, that's a feature.. windows ce 1.0 had it, my oldest casio organizer had it, wp7 receives it after an upgrade Guess we need a service pack to get usb mass storage or a better file explorer. also guessing i better start hacking the phone if i need them sooner.
5. Storage card policy. What's with the wacky 1 partition of nand+storage stuff or whatever MS is doing? Since i don't have usb mass storage i have to wait some awful amount of time to see thing copied via .. zune, because i don't have the possibility to use the memory card. I'm lucky hd2 has that slot, some wp7 phones don't have it, at least. They must be hacked first.
6. Multitasking... is there a hack for that?
7. i don't really need the "operating system of tomorrow" i first have to live today.

Thanks for your opinions. As you said it is not a OS for power users but for the masses. I am not a power user, all I want is clean, smooth and user friendly ui which works fast no matter what. And if the WP7 would be out for 4 years like your beloved iOS it would be like 4 times better than that in my opinion (by the way, its strict rules about no-usb mass storage and all that Zune thing is very similar to the Apple's iTunes, don't you think?). But seriously, what is all the tweaking and customizing for? If you want to play, just go out and buy a PSP or something, this is a phone which is supposed to work fast, and do what you need it to. Call me old-fashioned but that's simply what I think.

used android for 4 months, then dual booted wp7 and android for another 2 months...but iam back now to wm6.5...(dual booting with android on sd of course .)....nothing beats it....iam a doc and need my medical software apart from the other great "useful" software from 6.5

Fair point about WM7 not being as mature as iOS, but the simple fact is, that it's not 2007 anymore. MS doesn't have 4 years to bring its system up to date, coz Apple and Google are not going to stand still and wait for them. And looking at the speed MS is relasing the updates - it might be not 4 years, but unfortunately a lot longer.
As for your question about the need for customization, just listen to this: I've bought myself a Htc Desire HD, and as you probably know it takes quite a while for the manufactures to update its handsets to the latest versions of Android. But thanks to Rom developers my phone is running the latest system, with a lot customizations and tweaks, minus all the bloatware. In effect battery life is exceptionally better, the mobile is so much faster, and everything just works.
Never the less, the best thing out of all of that, is the choice we got from competition - so lets hope Android, iOS and WM7 will all prevail, because at the end of the day, as we're all different, the more choice we've got - the better for all of us.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

I have 2 reasons why WP7 isnt good for me.
1. Battery life. I havent tested the NoDo update, but the ROM I tested could barely hold one day of moderate usage.
2. Live services. Microsoft doesnt have a good partner in my country, so i cant get an activation code for the Marketplace, so the phone is mostly useless to me.
However, if any of you is willing to call MS in their country and get me and activation code, I would give a shot to this OS and eternal gratitude to the person which gets me the code.

oldmanofskye said:
Fair point about WM7 not being as mature as iOS, but the simple fact is, that it's not 2007 anymore. MS doesn't have 4 years to bring its system up to date, coz Apple and Google are not going to stand still and wait for them. And looking at the speed MS is relasing the updates - it might be not 4 years, but unfortunately a lot longer.
As for your question about the need for customization, just listen to this: I've bought myself a Htc Desire HD, and as you probably know it takes quite a while for the manufactures to update its handsets to the latest versions of Android. But thanks to Rom developers my phone is running the latest system, with a lot customizations and tweaks, minus all the bloatware. In effect battery life is exceptionally better, the mobile is so much faster, and everything just works.
Never the less, the best thing out of all of that, is the choice we got from competition - so lets hope Android, iOS and WM7 will all prevail, because at the end of the day, as we're all different, the more choice we've got - the better for all of us.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App
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+1 I got your point. But the thing is, that WP is just good out of the box, with this OS there is no need to tweak or customize anything, coz it works perfectly fast and looks beautiful. Maybe my requirements for a good OS are kinda low, but this OS has everything I was looking for. I use my phone primarily for calling/texting and occasionally music/movies while traveling. All I am saying is, that WP7 is perfectly suited for an average user. Every OS has its own spell and every OS is suited for somebody else. Thank god for our HD2s that are giving us ability to use which one we like the most.

Yea, things simply work when there's not much there in the first place. It's like saying how a toddler's tricycle "simply works" compare to an advanced automobile with powerful computers/ECU and a crapload of mechanical parts. Both is a viable mode of transportation, but guess which one I'm favoring for?

As said some people want something more than something that just works. Even if it works great. People want to explore, try out, maybe do the impossible. Look at it like this, if it weren't for the tweaking/customizing/hacking, WP7, let alone android, would never have reached our HD2's. But as said again you only want something that works, and its your opinion, and that's good. But cuz of the hacking and modding you found the next type of phone you want to get next, a WP7 phone.
I'm not saying you should go on tweaking or customizing or whatever, just don't go around and say, "But seriously, what is all the tweaking and customizing for? If you want to play, just go out and buy a PSP or something, this is a phone which is supposed to work fast, and do what you need it to." cuz it makes you sound as if you aren't grateful at all, and that you're sounding like verizon/motorola, use it as it is, which we tweakers object to.
Note, again, hacking mobile phones/devices came long before the PSP even came out., and that time, people enjoyed it also.

Hey OP, have you done alot of web browsing on WP7? It is absolutely painful: poor rendering, sloooow, and no flash! This reason alone is enough for many non-tech users to avoid WP7 for now. On Android we get almost the entire web rendered as it should be. In addition, Android just works, even ported on an HD2. Plus, you can use the OS as is or you can explore multiple layers of customization and hacking. It's the best of both worlds.

Android is better in every respect than Windows 7 and iPhone, the facts speak for themselves people are turning to Android int he droves.

lolkoz said:
Wondering what is the point of this thread? Well, simple. It is because of the fact,that many people have no idea what is Windows Phone 7 all about, and don't even know what they are missing. So these are the most important things why I don't use Android (nor WM) on my HD2 anymore.
1. Lighting fast booting.
There is no stock OS in the world which would be able to turn on the phone in less then 20 seconds. WP is.
2. Lighting fast reactions
There is no stock OS in the world with so snappy reactions. Never scrolled through my apps this fast.
3. Fastest gaming
WP7 gives you ability to play games with higher FPS compared to Android builds. Plus with the newest NoDo update for WP7 you can say good bye to the loading bar, because of the whole new way to load apps which actually makes loading time around 100% faster. See video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmv6rfrW-4&feature=related
4. Ability to record 720p videos
There is no other OS that gives you ability to record HD videos on your HD2, yet.
5. No more accidental making/answering phonecalls
Did your friends ever ***** that you were calling them, but didn't actually say anything, but you would swear you didn't call? Well, that's because the only thing that is neccesary to answer a phonecall is just to press the "green" button, and to make one, all you have to do is with unlocked screen press the button twice (altough it sounds impossible to turn on the screen and make phonecall all itself, it actually happened to me like 10 times. Not okay.) With the WP7, pressing that button won't do anything (it is linked to camera button). To answer the call you need to slide with your finger up, plus tap the little answer button in the middle of the screen (not at the bottom).
6. Things simply WORK
The WP7 is not like anything you ever seen, it simply works, no matter what are you doing, no restarts, no freezes. And despite it is relatively still in its early stages it has almost no bugs.
7. Modern look and feel
Looking at the home screen is like being in the gallery of art. It is so simple, that it is actually beautiful.
I can guarantee that after 2 days with this OS you are going to fall in love with it as much as i did. But always make sure you backed up your SD Card before switching to the wp, I didn't
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2 days? it didnt last 30 minutes before i got rid of it off my phone

"Why I’m uninstalling Windows 8" Article

Read here: http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/why-i-m-uninstalling-windows-8

I read about half of this article and 90% of its plain wrong the other 10% shows a lack of willingness to change! There are a few very annoying things in Windows 8 like its lack of metro support on multi monitors and the fact that the admin tools on 64bit wont allow ADUC to run in 32bit mode like they did on win 7 (we still use exchange 2003 arg).
The bit that really grinds me is this whole desktop is an app crap! because you launch into the new interface that somehow this means it takes longer to launch in his article steam. What a load of dog shiz!! for starters he could pin Steam or any other app to the start screen and it will launch even faster than before having to go to the start menu or even if you had it on the desktop the same amount of clicks. Not only this but Windows 8 already launches and logs in so much faster that even if you had to do extra steps that you don't it would still be faster!
People who write these articles show how lazy the world is becoming when they cant cope with a small change to the looks of something that they cut there noses off to spite there faces. The worst bit is they all gang together and if you try to point out the truth they brand you fanboi and as such anything you say has no meaning. Well idiots you are trolls and as such your words mean less then nothing.

lumpaywk said:
I read about half of this article and 90% of its plain wrong the other 10% shows a lack of willingness to change! There are a few very annoying things in Windows 8 like its lack of metro support on multi monitors and the fact that the admin tools on 64bit wont allow ADUC to run in 32bit mode like they did on win 7 (we still use exchange 2003 arg).
The bit that really grinds me is this whole desktop is an app crap! because you launch into the new interface that somehow this means it takes longer to launch in his article steam. What a load of dog shiz!! for starters he could pin Steam or any other app to the start screen and it will launch even faster than before having to go to the start menu or even if you had it on the desktop the same amount of clicks. Not only this but Windows 8 already launches and logs in so much faster that even if you had to do extra steps that you don't it would still be faster!
People who write these articles show how lazy the world is becoming when they cant cope with a small change to the looks of something that they cut there noses off to spite there faces. The worst bit is they all gang together and if you try to point out the truth they brand you fanboi and as such anything you say has no meaning. Well idiots you are trolls and as such your words mean less then nothing.
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Worth upgrading with NON-TOUCH?

Alright, so i have been intrigued through commcercials and all about how Windows 8 works. What i want to know is, is it worth upgrading to windows pro 8 without a touchscreen PC?
I have a home built PC (desktop) that is blazing fast, and i also have a 31 inch monitor that supports 1080p. Is paying $40.00 worth getting the new version of windows? Or should i just stay with windows 7.
Please feel free to explain why when you answer, thanks!

Do it. Use the desktop until you get used to metro or whatever its called. But once used to it its amazing. I was immediately used to W8 day one.
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It's worth the $40 upgrades are going for. On the desktop side, it's very fast and clean, I'm surprised at how much I like the new Window trim... No superfluous gloss and transparency, all business. There are some nice additions like drive encryption, the new backup tool (the old one is still there for those who prefer it, which I personally do), the new task manager and file copy UIs, and IE 10 is surprisingly fast stable and, from what I've read, secure.
On the Metro side... It's interesting, and I see the utility of it for tablets, but between my work, which requires heavy multitasking between applications, and just the way I've come to use my computer, again, multitasking, Metro's full screen nature relegates it to little more than a curiosity. I have dual quad core xeons, and two large monitors, so having such strict limitations on how many apps I can have on screen is a bit of a non-starter for me. That and full screen apps designed for a 10 inch screen running on a 30 inch, 2560x1600 res monitor border on absurd. I would use Metro a lot more, and I think it would be far more attractive, both in utility and aesthetically, if it adapted to make optimal use of the typical screen real estate available on desktops. Simply scaling apps up, resulting in 60, 80 and sometimes even higher point size type is anything but optimal.
Personally, after adding the $5 Start8 app to get my familiar start menu back, I've found 8 to be a nice upgrade from 7. I'd have never spent the normal $130 on it, but again, for the current $40, I think it's worth it. Hopefully Microsoft will improve Metro's ability to use and adapt to available system resources before Windows 9. I want to like it, but in its current form, on a desktop, it's, as I said, a bit of a curiosity.
Just my .02

I actually enjoy windows 8 when the metro UI is used as a supplement to the regular explorer. I.e. install start 8 or classic shell and boot straight to desktop, I use the metro UI plenty, but do not use it primarily. I got a 15 dollar pro key and free media center key, which makes it a pretty good value.
Overall the interface is a lot more pleasant than win 7, it's something different, and it's refreshing. I really don't miss Aero at all, most programs that work with win 7 work well with win 8, except some AV software. No I do not have a touch input device.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs

Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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It's not immediately obvious but in the start screen you can start typing and it will search. Also there is a search button on the charms bar but that is pretty pointless unless you want to search within an app like iHeartRadio for example.

Replying from so bare with me.
I work in a retail environment and I had to teach older adults about windows 8. I've learned that I'm not very fond of 8 on touch devices.
Truth is I've just gotten use to my mouse with windows 8.
Just remember the 4 corners get you around. Windows key gets you back to the launcher and windows+d gets you to classic mode .
I didn't explain it very elegantly but its pretty simple
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Thanks!
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IMO it's not worth upgrading if you have Windows 7 already (especially if you don't have touch) but if you're going to buy a new PC you should just get Windows 8

For 40 bux that's a steal! Touch screen or not at least having a legit copy for future use is totally worth it. I remember almost getting a copy of Windows Vista Home Premium for 299... 2 effing 99!! for a crappy version of Windows, and this! Windows 8 for 40 bux! Officially! Not to mention it works either way, touch screen or not.

Here's a summary I posted elsewhere:
Multimonitor support overhaul
File Explorer improvements with ribbon
Shorter boot times
Security enhancements
Faster file copying that can be paused and maintains a single window
Redesigned task manager
Integrated social and calendar applications
Native .iso mounting
Better battery usage
Cloud synchronization
File History continuous sequential backups
Backups to network drives
chkdsk that will take 10 secs each and every time rather than hours
Storage spaces for multiple hard drives (Like an OS-based RAID 0 or 1)
50% less RAM usage
Tighter CPU control
3G data monitoring
Vastly superior conflict resolution when copying files so you know exactly which files will be replaced and the exact differences
Copy/delete jobs that never stop halfway with an "are you sure?" message while you're AFK
Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
Windows Update which is now COMPLETELY automated and will never show a single popup ever again
UEFI motherboard support
Native USB 3.0 support
With the other, miscellaneous stuff like HYPER-V and other things that don't affect me- but may be of great use to others.
It's all the little changes that are everywhere that make the update worthwhile.

I have to agree. Make sure you try storage spaces. I have a bunch of drive installed now with all my media and I can add and swap drives as my media library grows.
We'll see how much I like once the first drive fails though.

aegixnova said:
Here's a summary I posted elsewhere:
Multimonitor support overhaul
File Explorer improvements with ribbon
Shorter boot times
Security enhancements
Faster file copying that can be paused and maintains a single window
Redesigned task manager
Integrated social and calendar applications
Native .iso mounting
Better battery usage
Cloud synchronization
File History continuous sequential backups
Backups to network drives
chkdsk that will take 10 secs each and every time rather than hours
Storage spaces for multiple hard drives (Like an OS-based RAID 0 or 1)
50% less RAM usage
Tighter CPU control
3G data monitoring
Vastly superior conflict resolution when copying files so you know exactly which files will be replaced and the exact differences
Copy/delete jobs that never stop halfway with an "are you sure?" message while you're AFK
Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
Windows Update which is now COMPLETELY automated and will never show a single popup ever again
UEFI motherboard support
Native USB 3.0 support
With the other, miscellaneous stuff like HYPER-V and other things that don't affect me- but may be of great use to others.
It's all the little changes that are everywhere that make the update worthwhile.
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Thanks for putting it down in a way that people could truly understand. I kinda think people just look at the surface (no pun intended) and don't take into consideration the overhauled system. The day to day performance gain is noticeable.
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aegixnova said:
Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
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IMO best feature ever for Windows. Never thought i'll see this in windows.

wtfhax said:
IMO best feature ever for Windows. Never thought i'll see this in windows.
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Reportedly it doesn't work too well...

This review is on Windows 8 w/o touch on a multi monitor setup.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-a-detailed-review/
Broken down to traditional desktop, modern ui and windows store.

That was a good review. It made high lights of the good without sounding like a cry baby afraid of change
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installed and adopted at office and home
- many people at office installed it on their laptop, and desktop and no complain/
Totally worth it,
and YES we can play STEAM game (for those who would like to know)
But my advice... installing windows 8 should be done on SSD.... a huge difference from office and home startup and program starting...
Home : Intel 520 - 240GB SSD
Office : poor old HDD sata 2 160GB
Enjoy

junialum said:
This review is on Windows 8 w/o touch on a multi monitor setup.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-a-detailed-review/
Broken down to traditional desktop, modern ui and windows store.
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hazard99 said:
That was a good review. It made high lights of the good without sounding like a cry baby afraid of change
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Thanks. The main idea was to give a direct non biased objective view.

Chuckleb0ne said:
Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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There are instructions during the last few steps of installation.
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[Q] Windows 8 on Nexus 7

Ok so I've been able to install Windows 8 to a usb using a program called gimagex it can install windows using the wim file. So I'm wondering if it would be possible to do the same with the Nexus 7?

Search and read the thread where you should have posted this. There is a huge discussion about windows 8 . Its illegal
forget the link http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zk9z3ACrwUPfC-WCg&sig2=sljfEnRm9Bd8ApSfvBhG0A
Google is your friend

Why god?
Why?
Why people want to defile android hardware running something that came from Fisher-Price?
No sane person runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that this version (8) is a 'skipper'/avoid at all costs, a Vista if you want...
Course you can't run it! Cause Bill gates say's you can't!
He makes sure of it! (yes he still woks on w'os).
Code:
if (runing(androidHW))
{
blowBlueScreen(randomMessage);
}
You're a lost sheep from the times windows was the only available OS....

muldy said:
Why god?
Why?
Why people want to defile android hardware running something that came from Fisher-Price?
No sane people runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that that version is a 'skipper', a Vista if you want...
Course you can't run it! Cause Bill gates say's you can't!
He makes sure of it! (yes he still woks on w'os).
You're a lost sheep from the times windows was the only available OS....
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Some people just like to do things because they can. It's that spirit that drives open source, ROM creation, etc. Just because is the only reason they need...like the guy trying to hack in a real facing camera on his N7.
Also, I installed Win8 on my Iconia W500 (full OS, not RT) and its not as horrible as all that...increased the speed by at least double that of Win7 too.
That said, I would try RT on my N7 just for grins, but Android would still be my primary baby.
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muldy said:
.....No sane person runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that this version (8) is a 'skipper'/avoid at all costs, a Vista if you want...
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I run it on my Sony Vaio Laptop and it is perfectly fine (yes my Laptop ISN'T Touchscreen but so what?) .........

I personally would think it cool to be able to run to some extent Windows 8 on the Nexus even if it was just accessing a desktop using Splashtop. Mostly because it'd be cool to get that Windows 8 Tablet feel and check out what it'd be like to have a "Windows 8 tablet".
Now before someone goes all "Why would you want to ruin your android tablet it inferior OS?!?!?". I went with an android tablet because they give better customization, I mean hell if you look around, you can find at least one person probably who's tried and succeeded with running something like Ubuntu on it. So the point I'm trying to make is, personal preferences, everyone has them, just because yours varies from someone else's doesn't mean you should put down their ideas.
But the major point that's been hit already, illegal, and if you didn't mind that factor (like people who create hackintosh machines), it'd take a lot of work to get all the proper drivers so the OS would work properly on the device to begin with. Probably more hassle than it's worth.
OFF-TOPIC RANT: Have to disagree with the sentiment that Windows 8 is the new Vista, I use it on both my desktop and my laptop and find it to be not that far removed from Windows 7. There's plenty of improvements to things in Windows 8, but it doesn't feel like they've gone and completely rewrote the OS rather poorly from scratch (lke Vista felt with it's outrageous system requirements) but more like they took something that works (Windows 7) and took steps to improve it and add more features to it. Sure the "Metro" UI is a drastic change when compared to 12+ years of more or less the same UI style (Taskbar + Start Button), but from my experience it can hardly be called a ME, or a Vista.

GabrialDestruir said:
I personally would think it cool to be able to run to some extent Windows 8 on the Nexus even if it was just accessing a desktop using Splashtop. Mostly because it'd be cool to get that Windows 8 Tablet feel and check out what it'd be like to have a "Windows 8 tablet".
Now before someone goes all "Why would you want to ruin your android tablet it inferior OS?!?!?". I went with an android tablet because they give better customization, I mean hell if you look around, you can find at least one person probably who's tried and succeeded with running something like Ubuntu on it. So the point I'm trying to make is, personal preferences, everyone has them, just because yours varies from someone else's doesn't mean you should put down their ideas.
But the major point that's been hit already, illegal, and if you didn't mind that factor (like people who create hackintosh machines), it'd take a lot of work to get all the proper drivers so the OS would work properly on the device to begin with. Probably more hassle than it's worth.
OFF-TOPIC RANT: Have to disagree with the sentiment that Windows 8 is the new Vista, I use it on both my desktop and my laptop and find it to be not that far removed from Windows 7. There's plenty of improvements to things in Windows 8, but it doesn't feel like they've gone and completely rewrote the OS rather poorly from scratch (lke Vista felt with it's outrageous system requirements) but more like they took something that works (Windows 7) and took steps to improve it and add more features to it. Sure the "Metro" UI is a drastic change when compared to 12+ years of more or less the same UI style (Taskbar + Start Button), but from my experience it can hardly be called a ME, or a Vista.
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I would agree.. Windows 8 seems to be less taxing on the devices. I DO not like the Metro ui look thou... But its easy to hack and replace the shell.. As i done.. Search for classic shell. You get your start bar back for windows 8...
Im so glad they tosses aero out the window in windows 8 who needs round corners and 3d looking menu I always turned it off on win 7.
So windows 8 runs flawless on my amd vision APU. And im getting up to 11 hours of battery life over the 8-9 i was with win 7.. This Note book is awesome at sipping power when unpluged.. Plugged up its mind blowing fast for 1.6.
Anyway back on topic .. METRO Sucks if its like what i have on my full windows 8
And no no no Microsoft is not selling licenses for windows rt... Our new windows 8 pc has no coa key either..