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I'm really surprised at some of the scorn poured on Metro on WP8.
What I've noticed:
When I browse on the Metro IE, my screen is clutter free!
I have social feeds, direct to tiles that I can see.
What I notice when I go back to W7, and observe others.
Peoples desktops are full of junk/work in progress/files they haven't "dealt with". Almost like a notice board, waste paper bin. Stickie note collector.
I used to work this way. I also used to use email as my reminder/work scheduling system.
I've stopped being bogged down by email by originally using Evernote, then moved to OneNote, as I like the sync via Skydrive (WP7 of course) but also that each section is just a file on a drive.
My email is very low, it doesn't stress me. I have a better GTD style "worflow".
All my files are filed, either on Skydrive or SharePoint. Clutter no more.
My kids don't do email. At all.
I've also noticed at work that it is programmers who don't like change. Which to me seems odd, as they are the smart people? But there are different types of smart, and concepts, futures etc sometimes seem to illude them.
Ramble ramble. I think Windows 8 is on the right path.
Ironically I've found W8 to work better on my desktop than on the Dell Duo tablet I've tried it on. Perhaps this will change when the hardware is more targetted, but the hot corners were inconsistent and I clammered for mouse.
I want pictures, fast links, social feeds and real information on my desktop. Not the contents of my bin.
I'm very curious how this will play out. Another Vista, or Windows 7+ ?
Time will tell. But I really _love_ W8. I hate going "back" to W7 now.
Are naysayers sticks in the mud, or reflective of how the masses will take W8.
Intruiging times.
(For the guy saying he will go to Mac, thats funny as Launchpad is similar to the Metro start screen. Recent updates have changed scroll direction to match touch.)
hear hear!
Right On.
http://www.winsupersite.com/content...s-8-consumer-preview-call-common-sense-142476
very well said, even though i disagree with some of your points, your statement was very well thought out.
personally after using W8, i was dying to get back to W7, for some of the same reasons you enjoyed W8.
I'm a little OCD about my start screen being aesthetically pleasing, so i keep it very clean and nice, with only the recycle bin, libraries, and 3 programs against the left side. Link if you care. i will occasionally dump a file or folder on the desktop as it is the easiest way to access said file or folder at the time, until i can put it "away" or am done with it. Not dissimilar to getting what you're working on IRL out of your desk drawer, and leaving it out while you use it (IMHO) all my stick notes go on my android phone, on the screen right of home. i don't email much, when i do i use my phone as my notification. if i need to write one i'll jump on my tablet or gmail's web interface: i have no need for it to be integrated with my PC. i also fancy myself as a causal rookie photographer, so i take a lot of pictures and don't always toss out the not-the-best ones. i don't necessarily want those scrolling through my homescreen. I also don't really use social media, so that's not that applicable to me.
and having used Lion after using W8CP, i do like it, but i actually found launchpad pretty pointless.
i have nothing against the metro theme or design language, i simply think the execution of the UI for non-touch is badly done. things like the charms and hot corners make it un-intuitive and confusing to existing, non-geek users. multitaking is too difficult for your average joe "I click E to get to 'E'nternet, right?" to comprehend easily. all your points are valid, but i think you're over-estimating the average consumer.
I'm not stubborn as you think I am. Just to make you understand in your simple language. I just don't use my desktop PC to read emails or share every freaking thing I do on FB or twitter unlike you and few others. On internet browser I have to switch among multiple tabs fast Then switch to software like adobe dreamweaver, PS, FTP client, etc. I can keep all open and reduce the shell size so I can follow all work at once and lot faster, its easier on my high res big screen and on metro ui I can't resize any metro apps cause my desktop thinks that its a f..king tablet. What you can't see is MS is trying to sell their tablets and phones to their existing desktop users. Which is unfair to us.
And in metro UI it kills most time finding the opened tabs. Hell with it now It has many flaws but you wouldn't care cause software.. sorry "app" like Ms paint is the only thing you have learned to use so far and of course you can see all you social feeds on the "homescreen" itself.
Sorry, just being polite.
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I thought I might add........
I think people misunderstand the difference between Apps and Applications/Programs, I'm not sure your suppose to see them the same way.
Applications/Programs traditionally are used on the desktop. They are fully featured software for the doings of complicated things. The desktop interface in Windows 8 is still the place to do such work, that's why it's still there. High Power Activities such as PhotoShop, Video Editing, Big Release Games etc
Apps, these are small quick programs for doing smaller less intense and demanding jobs. The job of an App is to perform simple low power task such as mp3 playing, picture viewing, Calendar Entries, Emails.
The differences maybe subtle at first glance but it only takes a moment to realise the significance. Only in recent years have Pc's become powerful enough to do multiple small tasks at the same time properly, there was no real power difference between watching a video and editing one. Now there is a clear gulf between the 2 power states & it makes complete sense for an operating system to reflect it.
Laptops have had different "power states" for sometime now, they conserve battery life for normal tasks but gives you an option to turn them up if and when its required. Cpu's always used to run at full blast all the time. Most cpu's Idle themselves when not required now, some even overclock themselves depending on demand. I could go on, the Tegra 3 uses a separate underclocked core when being used for low power consumption applications.
The Metro UI simply bundles all those small things that we do everyday into one easy place. None of these tasks demand huge attention so a live tile is all that's required to display what you need to know at a glance. Then you hop back to your desktop to continue with the real tasks at hand.
Theres my 27 cents worth.
m0nkf1sh said:
I thought I might add........
I think people misunderstand the difference between Apps and Applications/Programs, I'm not sure your suppose to see them the same way.
Applications/Programs traditionally are used on the desktop. They are fully featured software for the doings of complicated things. The desktop interface in Windows 8 is still the place to do such work, that's why it's still there. High Power Activities such as PhotoShop, Video Editing, Big Release Games etc
Apps, these are small quick programs for doing smaller less intense and demanding jobs. The job of an App is to perform simple low power task such as mp3 playing, picture viewing, Calendar Entries, Emails.
The differences maybe subtle at first glance but it only takes a moment to realise the significance. Only in recent years have Pc's become powerful enough to do multiple small tasks at the same time properly, there was no real power difference between watching a video and editing one. Now there is a clear gulf between the 2 power states & it makes complete sense for an operating system to reflect it.
Laptops have had different "power states" for sometime now, they conserve battery life for normal tasks but gives you an option to turn them up if and when its required. Cpu's always used to run at full blast all the time. Most cpu's Idle themselves when not required now, some even overclock themselves depending on demand. I could go on, the Tegra 3 uses a separate underclocked core when being used for low power consumption applications.
The Metro UI simply bundles all those small things that we do everyday into one easy place. None of these tasks demand huge attention so a live tile is all that's required to display what you need to know at a glance. Then you hop back to your desktop to continue with the real tasks at hand.
Theres my 27 cents worth.
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thank you so much for your reply. actually youre the first one who put in some logic to your words over here. Now my problem is for people who have a high end quad core processor, ram, gpu, etc for doing 10 things at once and not one at a time. small things like music player doesnt require to take up the full screen with 100's of "buy" button.
App is supposed to be small and on windows desktop they could just keep it as tiles or widgets on screen and keep the rest of desktop as it was or might changed the look to match the metro ui just keep the real desktop pc experience alive.
Right now I have to switch to the desktop version of IE to watch videos on youtube just because windows ph and tablets don't support flash hence no flash support for new IE on prime desktop. Of course after few days I can download other metro browsers when they release which might support flash but everything looks very messed up right now on W8.
It's clearly going to be like another Vista release which was still okay but this is utter crap cause I dont want to use my desktop as my tablet.
Widgets/gadgets appeared with vista but weren't commonly adopted, I think this was due to a lack of interested by programmers, the financial incentive came from the phone market a little later. My personal issue with the gadgets was clutter (the original posters comments prevail).
Flash support is another story. Adobe own Flash & the people putting together HTML5 as a standard want to use an Open Source base for streaming web video. In general this seems like a good idea apart from the wide use of flash already on sites like Iplayer, Youtube etc and they are radically effected by this & they will either choose to adopt or not. I think they probably will, a lot of Youtube videos are already compatible & if they start forcing all videos to be HTML5 compliant the transition shouldn't be too painful.
Remember Windows 8 is Beta, early adopters will always pay a price for progress.
Personaly I don't normaly use IE & therefore Im forced back to the Desktop for Internet Browsing anyway.
Just as widgets I see the same with metro, devs will have lack of interest and eventually win desktop PC will reach a saturation point just like wp7 though I hope not.
But see what MS is doing right here they want to increase the wp7 apps number to increase so they've introduced metro ui as prime desktop so devs those who works on PC software can later just scale it down for wp7 too. And Eventually that'll never happen cause most of the devs are just into productivity and not into designing metro apps which focuses more on looks, the devs are not ready to proceed that yet. How can I be so sure? Well WP7 is right in front of you.
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Just as widgets I see the same with metro, devs will have lack of interest and eventually win desktop PC will reach a saturation point just like wp7 though I hope not.
But see what MS is doing right here they want to increase the wp7 apps number to increase so they've introduced metro ui as prime desktop so devs those who works on PC software can later just scale it down for wp7 too. And Eventually that'll never happen cause most of the devs are just into productivity and not into designing metro apps which focuses more on looks, the devs are not ready to proceed that yet. How can I be so sure? Well WP7 is right in front of you.
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Some of the main app suppliers for phones have already confirmed they will be porting their apps to windows, Firefox has also confirmed they are working on a Firefox metro ui interface. There are now thousands of companies who specialize in Apps alone & make a healthy living from it. The Metro UI is written in Html5 which is to become the web standard therefore compatible on all devices(in theory) and based on a common computer language that a lot of Devs already know. Microsoft, although this is probably yet to be confirmed, were saying that the Windows 8 Store will give a higher percentage of the sales revenue back to the developers than Google or Apple too.
So if you already have Apps you sell it would be easy enough to convert it, the conversion would be to the future web standard code, that you already know how to use and the extra market place, which is going to be installed onto millions of computers, giving you a good market coverage, will pay you more money for your work than the markets you already use. The only problem that I see is that its an offer that's too good to be true for Devs. But Equally, knowing Microsofts marketing strategy history would suggest that "Cut Throating" your competitors for market share wouldn't be such a big leap for them.
Although I could keep debating this, time will tell. The truth is, Apps are probably here to stay in one form or another, they have already proven themselves on Mac, Android, Wii, Xbox live Arcade, PlayStation etc. Windows late adoption only shows that its inevitable. I think your quite right that Microsoft has made a point of putting it main stage in order to encourage adoption & I think it will work.
Windows 8 is not Vista. Vista didn't work very well & was far too demanding for the existing systems people owned. They also hid it away so it could be a surprise. That why Windows 7 had such a large Beta launch and why Windows 8 has just had an even larger one. Windows 7 ran much faster than Vista & Windows 8 is faster again.
Anyways I quit the debate here, ill just be answering peoples problems if I can help from now on. My last piece of advice "One should float like a leaf on the river of life, & kill old lady!"
Metro is amazing i love it but the only problem is its not a desktop os. For laptops it amazing I say not good for desktop because nowaday desktop is a Family computer not a Personal computer. But you can do some mods and remove metro and everythings fine.
Also Windows 8 uses a lot less ram and is a hell lot faster
Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
rand33099 said:
Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
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Not really. Looks like a tablet and keyboard to me.
Yup. The Asus Tranformer prime or infinity.
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Got the chance to play with it. Amazing device....
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nnick said:
Got the chance to play with it. Amazing device....
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I like the looks of it. Where did you get a hands on at?
mitchellvii said:
Not really. Looks like a tablet and keyboard to me.
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Thats funny!!
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Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?]
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Apple's issue with the OG G-Tab wasn't just its physical design, it was that, in their view, the OS it ran mimicked iOS and the combination would confuse potential customers. They never went after Windows phones even though they are physically similar to the Android phones they sued over because no one will confuse WP7/8 with iOS. The same thing would apply to W8 tablets.
This is far closer in design to the iPad and yet Apple never went after Asus. They pick and choose their targets carefully. I'd assume that in 2015 if all the appeals run out and Samsung loses Apple will then go back and seek damages from all other Android tablet and phone makers using the Samsung win as precedent.
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Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
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Nice. Depending on user reviews, that may be my next tablet.
toenail_flicker said:
Nice. Depending on user reviews, that may be my next tablet.
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same here. I doubt I'll let Asus sucker me in to buying another 4 tablets to find 1 usable one.
the tablet in the ops link clearly does not look like i pad. that button/ logo is at the bottom middle of landscape mode .. The ipad is bottom middle of portrate mode...
I would buy one if it could get all day use battery life weigh less then 1.5 lbs without keyboard of course. and prices reasonable. Ok well maybe i would consider it...
Here's a review of a W8 Pro tablet from a reporter that used it for a week. Overall, he was pleased. Here's some of the things he questioned which I think are going to be important to a lot of people. The things I bolded we've talked about and I'd bet you create a lot of chatter once W8 tablets are in people's hands. There's an old adage - "you only get a single chance to make a first impression." How W8 tablets launch and are perceived (outside the enterprise) are going to determine their future. So far all our conversations have been about the things people hope to do with them with no discussion about their limitations. The latter is going to get far more press after their launch. Look at maps and the purple camara flair in the iP5.
The split-screen view is one of my favorite new tricks. The OS supports full multitasking, and with a specific finger swipe maneuver, you can open two different Windows 8 apps on screen. For example, your Mail app can occupy the left pane (which is fixed at roughly one-quarter of the display) while Internet Explorer can sit in the right pane (which dominates the screen). If you like, you can flip their positions, moving the skinnier pane to the right side.
Another neat trick: To switch between open apps, simply drag your finger from the left side of the screen. Its the Windows 8 version of Alt-Tab, and once again demonstrates just how powerful--and fun--the system is relative to the competition. To see a thumbnail filmstrip of all of your open apps, quickly drag your finger right and then left, from the left edge of the screen. To access the Windows 8 "charms" bar--a centralized home for search, sharing, and settings functions, among others--swipe in from the right bezel. All these touch maneuvers became second nature once I learned them, but they're not intuitive from the giddy-up, and they're difficult to describe in words. This could emerge as a public relations pain point for Microsoft. If the company is smart, it will build a force-run demo video into Windows 8--something that pops up the first time someone turns on the new hardware.
Challenging learning curves aside, I found the W700's touch controls quick, fluid, and responsive. Screen redraws never lagged or stuttered, and the hardware seemed well-equipped to handle the OS's requirements. We didn't run any benchmarks on our preproduction unit, but if a Core i5 and 4GB of memory can't boss a tablet OS around like a schoolyard bully, Microsoft has serious optimization problems.
Of course, the new Start screen is far from perfect. For one thing, without resorting to third-party utilities, a user who wants to boot straight into the system's desktop mode can't bypass the Start screen. And as Paul Allen recently pointed out, the Start screen has no hierarchical nesting system--so if you have a huge collection of apps, you may find yourself scrolling ad nauseam to find a particular live tile.
All of which brings us to the question of how the W700 and Windows 8 performed in desktop mode. It was far better than some critics have made it out to be, but a device like this definitely presents some compromises. The bigger problem with using the W700 as a traditional PC productivity machine lies in the rendering of the Windows desktop. A resolution of 1920 by 1080 on an 11.6-inch screen makes for tiny fonts, icons, and scroll bars. And because all of these interface elements were so small, I had trouble seeing text in the URL field of Internet Explorer, for example. Likewise, using touch gestures to collapse and exit out of windows--or, for that matter, just navigating around the basic Windows experience that I've been using since Windows 3.1--was a challenge.
Though Windows 8 hasn't even launched yet, it's off to a rocky start. Power users are slamming Microsoft for all the new "features" that subjugate the desktop, and as we reported on Monday, the Windows Store inventory is looking alarmingly thin.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/windows/3402233/acer-w700-review/?pn=1
erica_renee said:
the tablet in the ops link clearly does not look like i pad. that button/ logo is at the bottom middle of landscape mode .. The ipad is bottom middle of portrate mode...
I would buy one if it could get all day use battery life weigh less then 1.5 lbs without keyboard of course. and prices reasonable. Ok well maybe i would consider it...
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Here's what I'm talking about.... Not I-pad
http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2012/07/asus_transformer_infinity_original.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
All of which brings us to the question of how the W700 and Windows 8 performed in desktop mode. It was far better than some critics have made it out to be, but a device like this definitely presents some compromises. The bigger problem with using the W700 as a traditional PC productivity machine lies in the rendering of the Windows desktop. A resolution of 1920 by 1080 on an 11.6-inch screen makes for tiny fonts, icons, and scroll bars. And because all of these interface elements were so small, I had trouble seeing text in the URL field of Internet Explorer, for example. Likewise, using touch gestures to collapse and exit out of windows--or, for that matter, just navigating around the basic Windows experience that I've been using since Windows 3.1--was a challenge.
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And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.
mitchellvii said:
And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.
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I would so have to agree with this. A
As far as the tablets looking alot . well the look is directly related to how it works. the layout and so on . that is why the icrap lawsuits and patents should be tossed out. as well as some other design patents .. its not just a common sense function.. not a design..
The Samsung Ativ Smart PC (series 5 slate) is on presale btw for 650 at staples.
http://www.staples.com/Samsung-Series-5-Slate-Tablet-Pre-Sale/product_477673?catalogId=10051&fromUrl=home&cmSearchKeyword=series+5+slate&cmArea=SEARCH&langId=-1&storeId=10001&ddkey=http:StaplesSearch
Also at Amazon 650 for tablet only and 750 for bundled tab and keyboard for the atom version.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-Smart-500T-Tablet/dp/B009LL9U50/ref=sr_1_46?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350074504&sr=1-46&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-...074504&sr=1-44&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc
i5 version at 1,200
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-Smart-Pro-700T/dp/B0098O9TRO/ref=sr_1_45?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350074504&sr=1-45&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc
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And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.
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but i think this is closer to true mobile computing. a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop and you can hook up to a monitor and other external components when at home. all with the power of a full OS and better application support than any other tablet.
it's definitely not what everyone wants or needs, but it's something i'm looking forward to.
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but i think this is closer to true mobile computing. a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop and you can hook up to a monitor and other external components when at home. all with the power of a full OS and better application support than any other tablet.
it's definitely not what everyone wants or needs, but it's something i'm looking forward to.
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"better application support than any other tablet."
Wait till the product is out for a while before making a claim like that. It reallly puts me off considering a win8 tablet when people proclaim something is this and that, when the damn things not even out yet...........
Saying that, as a current android user i wish the win8 tabs a sucess in a FREE MARKET, because COMPETITION benefits us all
An 11.6 inch tablet at same basic resolution as this tablet is going to look like crap. Seriously. These Windows 8 Tablets are too expensive for a tablet and too small for a laptop replacement.
Stuck in the middle. They won't sell.
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"better application support than any other tablet."
Wait till the product is out for a while before making a claim like that. It reallly puts me off considering a win8 tablet when people proclaim something is this and that, when the damn things not even out yet...........
Saying that, as a current android user i wish the win8 tabs a sucess in a FREE MARKET, because COMPETITION benefits us all
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guess i should have been more specific since there will be 2 versions of the w8 tablet, but i was referring to the pro version from barry's post. it's already a fact that windows has more applications than any tablet (but not necessarily all tablet friendly) - possibly combined. sure i'll be giving up battery life, but that's what i'll have my ARM tablet for - who knows what OS that one will be.
one thing i'm hoping for on windows rt is the ability to tie multiple devices to one account but only allow certain devices to actualy access the mail and personal settings of the main account, like IOS does. i don't like tying all my android devices share with my daughter to my gmail account and i don't want to make two account and have to buy an app twice to share it with her (amazon is a decent solution, but no for apps i've already purchased). i've got app blockers on her tablet now, but one day she may get smart enough to get around them.
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guess i should have been more specific since there will be 2 versions of the w8 tablet, but i was referring to the pro version from barry's post. it's already a fact that windows has more applications than any tablet (but not necessarily all tablet friendly) - possibly combined. sure i'll be giving up battery life, but that's what i'll have my ARM tablet for - who knows what OS that one will be.
one thing i'm hoping for on windows rt is the ability to tie multiple devices to one account but only allow certain devices to actualy access the mail and personal settings of the main account, like IOS does. i don't like tying all my android devices share with my daughter to my gmail account and i don't want to make two account and have to buy an app twice to share it with her (amazon is a decent solution, but no for apps i've already purchased). i've got app blockers on her tablet now, but one day she may get smart enough to get around them.
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You can put another account on her device and use apk extractor to share paid apps with her without the need to buy them twice, i do this allot with my brothers
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Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..
what do you mean fast boot? my computer boots in roughly one minute, not 20 seconds. as for everything else I have no idea haha
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Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..
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of course only being 0.1 version number of a difference MUST mean its almost identical
Unfortunately back in the real world there is a huge difference in the OSs, its not just a case of a reg edit here and there or moving a few files around, the OS has had sections changed to improve boot times and more importantly its has had extra code added to take advantage of newer hardware functions esp around the BIOS.
ive been using it as a desktop for quite some time now and its productivity once you get the hang of it is a significant improvement over Win 7, a more sensible approach to your problem is getting over yourself, ignoring the mountain of FUD on it and learning how to use it, I think if you went in to it with an open mind and put the effort in to learning what its all about rather than complaining about it, it would place you in a more fortunate position of being better off all round, without trying to reinvent the wheel
anyhow, if you choose to attempt the "port" yourself then I wish you good luck.
gigsaw said:
Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..
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If you use the machine every day, why don't you just put it in sleep mode? The start-up is almost instantaneous, especially if you have a SSD instead of HDD. My convertible gets restarted or shut down once every 2 weeks, if that, and I've been doing it for almost 3 years now since I first got W7.
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If you use the machine every day, why don't you just put it in sleep mode? The start-up is almost instantaneous, especially if you have a SSD instead of HDD. My convertible gets restarted or shut down once every 2 weeks, if that, and I've been doing it for almost 3 years now since I first got W7.
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agreed, I used to sleep on my win 7, and still do now it's 8, even on a HDD, its still almost instant load times, my reboot counter hit nearly 3.5 months without reboot so it has minimal impact
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dazza9075 said:
of course only being 0.1 version number of a difference MUST mean its almost identical
Unfortunately back in the real world there is a huge difference in the OSs, its not just a case of a reg edit here and there or moving a few files around, the OS has had sections changed to improve boot times and more importantly its has had extra code added to take advantage of newer hardware functions esp around the BIOS.
ive been using it as a desktop for quite some time now and its productivity once you get the hang of it is a significant improvement over Win 7, a more sensible approach to your problem is getting over yourself, ignoring the mountain of FUD on it and learning how to use it, I think if you went in to it with an open mind and put the effort in to learning what its all about rather than complaining about it, it would place you in a more fortunate position of being better off all round, without trying to reinvent the wheel
anyhow, if you choose to attempt the "port" yourself then I wish you good luck.
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Windows 8 is not hard to use at all, even on a desktop. Instead of complaining, crying and moaning over small things, people should try to learn.
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Mostly I hate the fact that there is no aero....
Aero is a number of things, the core of which is the desktop compositor, which is very much present in Win8 (in fact, unlike Win7 and Vista, you can't turn desktop composition *off* in normal operation). Similarly, several other "Aero" features such as "Aero Snap" and "Aero Peek" are still present as well. What I presume you mean is that there's no window border transparency (you may note that the taskbar is still transparent...). There are a few hacks that try to add that back in, with varying degrees of success. Personally, while I agree with you that it's annoying to lose this option, it's really not that big a deal to me. The ability to see a blurry version of the window behind my foreground one was useful on rare occasion, but more often it was simply eye candy (which is admittedly a nice thing to have).
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but more often it was simply eye candy (which is admittedly a nice thing to have).
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mhmmm eye candy.......
But more seriously. Whether it looks good or not is user preference. I quite like the appearance of windows 8, but if I was one of the design team I probably wouldnt have bothered changing it (nor opposed it).
Same ****, different transparency. Whoop-de-f***ing-do. Can be hacked back into existence but I really cannot be bothered.
Yes sleep is the way to go. Another option would be to downgrade to Win 7 Starter - my netbook boots very fast with that.
Ok so I've been able to install Windows 8 to a usb using a program called gimagex it can install windows using the wim file. So I'm wondering if it would be possible to do the same with the Nexus 7?
Search and read the thread where you should have posted this. There is a huge discussion about windows 8 . Its illegal
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Why god?
Why?
Why people want to defile android hardware running something that came from Fisher-Price?
No sane person runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that this version (8) is a 'skipper'/avoid at all costs, a Vista if you want...
Course you can't run it! Cause Bill gates say's you can't!
He makes sure of it! (yes he still woks on w'os).
Code:
if (runing(androidHW))
{
blowBlueScreen(randomMessage);
}
You're a lost sheep from the times windows was the only available OS....
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Why god?
Why?
Why people want to defile android hardware running something that came from Fisher-Price?
No sane people runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that that version is a 'skipper', a Vista if you want...
Course you can't run it! Cause Bill gates say's you can't!
He makes sure of it! (yes he still woks on w'os).
You're a lost sheep from the times windows was the only available OS....
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Some people just like to do things because they can. It's that spirit that drives open source, ROM creation, etc. Just because is the only reason they need...like the guy trying to hack in a real facing camera on his N7.
Also, I installed Win8 on my Iconia W500 (full OS, not RT) and its not as horrible as all that...increased the speed by at least double that of Win7 too.
That said, I would try RT on my N7 just for grins, but Android would still be my primary baby.
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.....No sane person runs that on desktop... surface is a fail also...
And everyone knows that this version (8) is a 'skipper'/avoid at all costs, a Vista if you want...
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I run it on my Sony Vaio Laptop and it is perfectly fine (yes my Laptop ISN'T Touchscreen but so what?) .........
I personally would think it cool to be able to run to some extent Windows 8 on the Nexus even if it was just accessing a desktop using Splashtop. Mostly because it'd be cool to get that Windows 8 Tablet feel and check out what it'd be like to have a "Windows 8 tablet".
Now before someone goes all "Why would you want to ruin your android tablet it inferior OS?!?!?". I went with an android tablet because they give better customization, I mean hell if you look around, you can find at least one person probably who's tried and succeeded with running something like Ubuntu on it. So the point I'm trying to make is, personal preferences, everyone has them, just because yours varies from someone else's doesn't mean you should put down their ideas.
But the major point that's been hit already, illegal, and if you didn't mind that factor (like people who create hackintosh machines), it'd take a lot of work to get all the proper drivers so the OS would work properly on the device to begin with. Probably more hassle than it's worth.
OFF-TOPIC RANT: Have to disagree with the sentiment that Windows 8 is the new Vista, I use it on both my desktop and my laptop and find it to be not that far removed from Windows 7. There's plenty of improvements to things in Windows 8, but it doesn't feel like they've gone and completely rewrote the OS rather poorly from scratch (lke Vista felt with it's outrageous system requirements) but more like they took something that works (Windows 7) and took steps to improve it and add more features to it. Sure the "Metro" UI is a drastic change when compared to 12+ years of more or less the same UI style (Taskbar + Start Button), but from my experience it can hardly be called a ME, or a Vista.
GabrialDestruir said:
I personally would think it cool to be able to run to some extent Windows 8 on the Nexus even if it was just accessing a desktop using Splashtop. Mostly because it'd be cool to get that Windows 8 Tablet feel and check out what it'd be like to have a "Windows 8 tablet".
Now before someone goes all "Why would you want to ruin your android tablet it inferior OS?!?!?". I went with an android tablet because they give better customization, I mean hell if you look around, you can find at least one person probably who's tried and succeeded with running something like Ubuntu on it. So the point I'm trying to make is, personal preferences, everyone has them, just because yours varies from someone else's doesn't mean you should put down their ideas.
But the major point that's been hit already, illegal, and if you didn't mind that factor (like people who create hackintosh machines), it'd take a lot of work to get all the proper drivers so the OS would work properly on the device to begin with. Probably more hassle than it's worth.
OFF-TOPIC RANT: Have to disagree with the sentiment that Windows 8 is the new Vista, I use it on both my desktop and my laptop and find it to be not that far removed from Windows 7. There's plenty of improvements to things in Windows 8, but it doesn't feel like they've gone and completely rewrote the OS rather poorly from scratch (lke Vista felt with it's outrageous system requirements) but more like they took something that works (Windows 7) and took steps to improve it and add more features to it. Sure the "Metro" UI is a drastic change when compared to 12+ years of more or less the same UI style (Taskbar + Start Button), but from my experience it can hardly be called a ME, or a Vista.
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I would agree.. Windows 8 seems to be less taxing on the devices. I DO not like the Metro ui look thou... But its easy to hack and replace the shell.. As i done.. Search for classic shell. You get your start bar back for windows 8...
Im so glad they tosses aero out the window in windows 8 who needs round corners and 3d looking menu I always turned it off on win 7.
So windows 8 runs flawless on my amd vision APU. And im getting up to 11 hours of battery life over the 8-9 i was with win 7.. This Note book is awesome at sipping power when unpluged.. Plugged up its mind blowing fast for 1.6.
Anyway back on topic .. METRO Sucks if its like what i have on my full windows 8
And no no no Microsoft is not selling licenses for windows rt... Our new windows 8 pc has no coa key either..
I saw it coming, but I never imagined it would be THIS BLATENT! As a proud Windows Phone owner I can honestly say that this stuff has been around for forever in Windows Phone, and there are VERY few arguments you could make about Microsoft copying Apple with WP. However, iOS 7 is a new story: here is my extensive comparison: before and after with iOS 7, and the corresponding Windows Phone screenshots.
http://sdrv.ms/11IQrac
Sooooo... What do you think? Should Microsoft take Apple to court over this? Questions, comments, opinions below.
As long as Apple haven't infringed on any patents then there is nothing MS can do, Certain bits of the OS also resemble Android too,
In general phone companies have always copied each other to some degree, Occasionally they take it too far and tread on toes.
In this case I think Apple just ran out of original ideas
It does offer Microsoft a marketing opportunity, if they're careful how they handle it and don't **** it up. That could well be beyond them - Microsoft's marketing department has seemed mostly to stumble from expensive blunder to embarrassing blunder and back again for the last few years - but they *could*.
It really is quite a ridiculously flagrant copy of the UI style. I don't have any problem with that in and of itself, but if they try to claim they invented it - much less try to claim they hold patents on the invention - I expect them to get slapped around for it. That requires levels of reality distortion that I doubt even Jobs' infamous personal RDF could manage.
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It does offer Microsoft a marketing opportunity, if they're careful how they handle it and don't **** it up. That could well be beyond them - Microsoft's marketing department has seemed mostly to stumble from expensive blunder to embarrassing blunder and back again for the last few years - but they *could*.
It really is quite a ridiculously flagrant copy of the UI style. I don't have any problem with that in and of itself, but if they try to claim they invented it - much less try to claim they hold patents on the invention - I expect them to get slapped around for it. That requires levels of reality distortion that I doubt even Jobs' infamous personal RDF could manage.
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I was very much of the opinion that apple and Microsoft have wide sweeping cross licencing agreements dating back to when MS pulled apple out of then ashes, by and large, the two of them tend to leave each other alone so I doubt anything will happen
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Copied Microsoft if WebOS, Symbian, and Android didn't exist.
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I saw it coming, but I never imagined it would be THIS BLATENT! As a proud Windows Phone owner I can honestly say that this stuff has been around for forever in Windows Phone, and there are VERY few arguments you could make about Microsoft copying Apple with WP. However, iOS 7 is a new story: here is my extensive comparison: before and after with iOS 7, and the corresponding Windows Phone screenshots.
http://sdrv.ms/11IQrac
Sooooo... What do you think? Should Microsoft take Apple to court over this? Questions, comments, opinions below.
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That multitasking style has been around since webOS so that doesn't belong to Microsoft.
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That multitasking style has been around since webOS so that doesn't belong to Microsoft.
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Yeah I actually has the Pre. Its similar, but Microsoft made it pretty different, and at least WebOS was dead then. Plus, there are plenty more pieces that Apple copied.
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That multitasking style has been around since webOS so that doesn't belong to Microsoft.
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WM had multi task a lonnnggg time ago
The reference was to the UI, not to the computer science concept.
Aaannnnnndddd, apple rips off everything that others design.
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Aaaaand apple at their best in coping
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Apple sucks.
i love apple
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Biggest fraud in business as far as I'm concerned.
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Android has become tedious for me. IOS is overly simplistic. WP8, for me, is the interface of the future.
ymmv
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Android has become tedious for me. IOS is overly simplistic. WP8, for me, is the interface of the future.
ymmv
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In what way does WP8 does better than iOS, interface-wise?
I see both platform has the same simple but limiting interface, WP8 maybe even a little worse because of the notification center,
although I do like the tile idea, but with no option to even change the background pic, it's a litle bit bland for my taste.
I am actually asking and not trolling here, I've never used WP8 before but have had a little hands-on time with the OS,
I'm even thinking of buying a Lumia 925 for a change of scenery.
while I agree that Android is sometimes too complex for everyday use.
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In what way does WP8 does better than iOS, interface-wise?
I see both platform has the same simple but limiting interface, WP8 maybe even a little worse because of the notification center,
although I do like the tile idea, but with no option to even change the background pic, it's a litle bit bland for my taste.
I am actually asking and not trolling here, I've never used WP8 before but have had a little hands-on time with the OS,
I'm even thinking of buying a Lumia 925 for a change of scenery.
while I agree that Android is sometimes too complex for everyday use.
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Do tell me how having a picture that is >90% covered over by tiles will be a positive thing? If anything it will make it look a complete mess
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Do tell me how having a picture that is >90% covered over by tiles will be a positive thing? If anything it will make it look a complete mess
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By having a touch-aware wallpaper, like the windows 8.1 preview do, while rather useless, gives more choices and diversity for users
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By having a touch-aware wallpaper, like the windows 8.1 preview do, while rather useless, gives more choices and diversity for users
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indeed but the desktop has a significant amount more real estate for the picture to flow through, it also makes more sense on the desktop as it links TO the desktop making a more fluid transition.
I just turned on my WP, and I see my lock screen picture which looks lovely.
I now unlock my phone and id estimate that a good 95% of the space is taken up with tiles.
apart from a half inch black bar at the top where the clock/status bar sits. leave my phone for a bit and it locks again with all its picture goodness. Sticking any kind of picture would be completely pointless unless you don't have any tiles, perhaps having different colour backgrounds would work with different coloured tiles but again I think it would largely look terrible.