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Windows vs. Android

Windows will prevail. Microsoft with their Wndows 8 getting in the race now I think after a rough start and give some time in the future will prevail and be superior over any mobil OS because Android is so stupid. Yes Android made some shaking in the mobil world but hey is still stupid, the browser is stupid, managing emails are stupid and list goes on. This is my personal opinion that in the future when dust settles and bugs are worked out if I can have windows features on my phone and my tablet is the way to go. I am not refering to current windows phone now but future refined win8 and beyond stuff that will come out, just keep eye on Microsoft and Nokia partnership for now.
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*Mobile. Mobil is gas and oil.
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Did you fall on your head as a baby?
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic 3g

Yup with their wndows they will win
(Not a typo)
(God i love trolling trolls)
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Only reason microsoft was able to take apple on was cause microsoft computers were around 1/3 of the price of apple phones and had the same specs
Same specs and same price
Apple you win
But android is always on top
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Your talking about refining the existing windows os(take out bugs, and add features) to beat android?
Its simple logic what you do to one you do to the other to compare, so if you "refine" windows you have to "refine" android also to compare them equally.
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Let's see windows 8 beat jelly bean. That's what I'm thinking, or will windows 8 be final around ics time?
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After looking at the dev version of windows 8, Ill pass as long as possible, it just sucks ass, its windows 7 with metro ui, and hard to get around if your a tweaker.
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I hate metro UI. It may be fast, but its so dull and boring to use and look at.
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I hate metro UI. It may be fast, but its so dull and boring to use and look at.
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Its like an apple approach to things ... it may "just work" but you can't do much with it, its just there nothing to really customize, I say android is in between both (paginated, and metro) but way [more] fresher.
Anyone catch my allusion to a song?
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Op has a point.. though he comes off as an idiot. If I have the full functionality of windows 7 on a tablet, of jump on it and forget about android. I mean FULL functionality. That **** better do everything I can do on my PC. Except hardware related stuff like burning dvds obviously.
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I should of mentioned that all these frustration with android started when I got my tablet wanted to do some things I was doing with my laptop. I imagine if the new windows has full functionality on a tab it will be superior to android tablet at any aspect. With android: can't play mkv files, browser crashes, can't attach certain files, can't download certain files from email, can't copy text in quoted links to be pasted in new tab for download, can't turn screen off when play video file while connectrd to hdmi monitor to save batt power causes video to stop. I can go long list here, I would think that if it was windows none of these would be there.
I don't have much of a problem with my phone I can leave with it and still have fun.
And sorry for the typos I can't use phone keyboard as I would on pc.
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Are we seriously comparing a Desktop OS that was engineered towards keyboard and mouse use, to a mobile phone and (only recently) tablet OS geared towards touchscreens?

Why not? A touchscreen is just a different input, but same functionality as a mouse. Onboard keyboard vs physical keyboard no difference. I agree with OP that Windows will come to dominate the tablet world, but I believe Android will dominate the mobile world for a loooong time.

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Grompy said:
Why not? A touchscreen is just a different input, but same functionality as a mouse. Onboard keyboard vs physical keyboard no difference. I agree with OP that Windows will come to dominate the tablet world, but I believe Android will dominate the mobile world for a loooong time.
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Why not??? You are comparing an OS that has been around for almost 20 years to one that has only been around for maybe a quarter of that time. 20 years of development for a mouse HID compared to 5 years of modern technology for touch input.

Hopefully jellybean gives android full functionality.
I thought it was pretty stupid to release tablet os that's the same as your phone os, just prettier.
Its always stopped me from getting one.
Now I'll jump all over an optimized windows tablet...full windows 7 (don't even need nor care for 8) that run smooth as butter...mount usbs, mount iso's on disk drives so you can play games, donload codecs to ply anything, hook a server up like nothing, download anything you want, run torrents, do 100 things all at once just cuz it can handle it (ie playing music in a little screen you set to stay ontop while behind it isa maxed firefox tab streaming a muted video from youtbe while dragging around another little screen just to pass the time as you watch this epic trailer listening to epic music)
Windows will murder android and especially ios, functionality wise.
Sales wise? Whole different ballgame bruh
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dito33 said:
I should of mentioned that all these frustration with android started when I got my tablet wanted to do some things I was doing with my laptop. I imagine if the new windows has full functionality on a tab it will be superior to android tablet at any aspect. With android: can't play mkv files, browser crashes, can't attach certain files, can't download certain files from email, can't copy text in quoted links to be pasted in new tab for download, can't turn screen off when play video file while connectrd to hdmi monitor to save batt power causes video to stop. I can go long list here, I would think that if it was windows none of these would be there.
I don't have much of a problem with my phone I can leave with it and still have fun.
And sorry for the typos I can't use phone keyboard as I would on pc.
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You could use rockplayer for .mkv... not the best solution but it works. Its all we got until vlc player is released for android.

What. The. Hell. Are. You. Attempting. To. Type? Does. Not. Compute.
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RushAOZ said:
Op has a point.. though he comes off as an idiot. If I have the full functionality of windows 7 on a tablet, of jump on it and forget about android. I mean FULL functionality. That **** better do everything I can do on my PC. Except hardware related stuff like burning dvds obviously.
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I agree. A tablet that can do everything my Windows computer does is pure win. Hands down.
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Given that I can already run ubuntu on my Epic, the next Gen of Android devices should bring Android phone/tablets far closer to being desktop/laptop replacements.
Look at the Atrix. It was a first attempt, but it is moving the android platform in the direction of a laptop/desktop replacement
Given the power of the new android phones, and the rate of new development, Android should begin to compete rather well in the desktop/laptop replacement field.
I hardly ever use my laptop anymore, except if I need to convert/edit a pic/video, or burn a CD/DVD
I feel that in general use, Android is FAR better than Windows, and I say this as someone that has done IT support in a windows environment for over 25 years.
After all, very few people would put windows use anywhere near a pleasant experience.
I really think that most of the advantages a desktop has, will start to fade as the phone/tablets get more powerful., and better able to integrate with docks and BT items
For example, CD/DVD burning can be added via micro USB with an external burner, or even on built into a docking station.
KB & Mouse the same way, or via BT.
A Monitor can be done via HDMI out, or also via a docking station.
The only real advantage I see for Windows, is full support of Microsoft office, otherwise, IMO there is just no real advantage of a windows system, that isnt related far more to the desktop's hardware, instead of the desktop OS.

[Q] fast startup (A.K.A. hybrid boot) on Windows 7

Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..

what do you mean fast boot? my computer boots in roughly one minute, not 20 seconds. as for everything else I have no idea haha

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Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..
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of course only being 0.1 version number of a difference MUST mean its almost identical
Unfortunately back in the real world there is a huge difference in the OSs, its not just a case of a reg edit here and there or moving a few files around, the OS has had sections changed to improve boot times and more importantly its has had extra code added to take advantage of newer hardware functions esp around the BIOS.
ive been using it as a desktop for quite some time now and its productivity once you get the hang of it is a significant improvement over Win 7, a more sensible approach to your problem is getting over yourself, ignoring the mountain of FUD on it and learning how to use it, I think if you went in to it with an open mind and put the effort in to learning what its all about rather than complaining about it, it would place you in a more fortunate position of being better off all round, without trying to reinvent the wheel
anyhow, if you choose to attempt the "port" yourself then I wish you good luck.

gigsaw said:
Hi everibody
I' m not the only one who thinks that Windows 8 isn't suitable for desktop users, so Windows 7 will probably survive for years.
On the other hand I can't deny that W8 offers some very useful advantages. In my opinion the best one is the fast startup: with this feature the PC is able to boot in less than 20 seconds. I was wondering if it's possible to port the hybrid boot on Windows 7.
I think it could be possible because Windows 8 is officially numbered as the relase #6.2, and Windows 7 is the #6.1, so I think they have a lot in common..
So sorry if I am propbably posting it in the wrong session but I don't know where the right place is..
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If you use the machine every day, why don't you just put it in sleep mode? The start-up is almost instantaneous, especially if you have a SSD instead of HDD. My convertible gets restarted or shut down once every 2 weeks, if that, and I've been doing it for almost 3 years now since I first got W7.

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If you use the machine every day, why don't you just put it in sleep mode? The start-up is almost instantaneous, especially if you have a SSD instead of HDD. My convertible gets restarted or shut down once every 2 weeks, if that, and I've been doing it for almost 3 years now since I first got W7.
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agreed, I used to sleep on my win 7, and still do now it's 8, even on a HDD, its still almost instant load times, my reboot counter hit nearly 3.5 months without reboot so it has minimal impact
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dazza9075 said:
of course only being 0.1 version number of a difference MUST mean its almost identical
Unfortunately back in the real world there is a huge difference in the OSs, its not just a case of a reg edit here and there or moving a few files around, the OS has had sections changed to improve boot times and more importantly its has had extra code added to take advantage of newer hardware functions esp around the BIOS.
ive been using it as a desktop for quite some time now and its productivity once you get the hang of it is a significant improvement over Win 7, a more sensible approach to your problem is getting over yourself, ignoring the mountain of FUD on it and learning how to use it, I think if you went in to it with an open mind and put the effort in to learning what its all about rather than complaining about it, it would place you in a more fortunate position of being better off all round, without trying to reinvent the wheel
anyhow, if you choose to attempt the "port" yourself then I wish you good luck.
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+1
Windows 8 is not hard to use at all, even on a desktop. Instead of complaining, crying and moaning over small things, people should try to learn.
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Mostly I hate the fact that there is no aero....

Aero is a number of things, the core of which is the desktop compositor, which is very much present in Win8 (in fact, unlike Win7 and Vista, you can't turn desktop composition *off* in normal operation). Similarly, several other "Aero" features such as "Aero Snap" and "Aero Peek" are still present as well. What I presume you mean is that there's no window border transparency (you may note that the taskbar is still transparent...). There are a few hacks that try to add that back in, with varying degrees of success. Personally, while I agree with you that it's annoying to lose this option, it's really not that big a deal to me. The ability to see a blurry version of the window behind my foreground one was useful on rare occasion, but more often it was simply eye candy (which is admittedly a nice thing to have).

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but more often it was simply eye candy (which is admittedly a nice thing to have).
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mhmmm eye candy.......
But more seriously. Whether it looks good or not is user preference. I quite like the appearance of windows 8, but if I was one of the design team I probably wouldnt have bothered changing it (nor opposed it).
Same ****, different transparency. Whoop-de-f***ing-do. Can be hacked back into existence but I really cannot be bothered.

Yes sleep is the way to go. Another option would be to downgrade to Win 7 Starter - my netbook boots very fast with that.

Windows 8 running on Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet and Android! (Remote Desktop)

It's possible to run Windows 8 on Android with all multitouch and other tablet features! Check this video. Cool?
I think it's a great way to play with Windows 8, without throwing money on a new expensive tablet. And even better it's possible to use additional Android features like Android voice text input on Windows.

Windows 8 running on Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet and Android!
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Not even close. This is just spam.

@decatf u no understand cloud computing?
Does user really cares how and where it runs? No, the most important part is that it allows to use Win 8 on the tablet. Even more, use it with all the multitouch and tablet stuff like a normal Microsoft Surface, but with the PC power.

This is not Windows 8 running on the Samsung Galaxy Tab. This is nothing more than a remote desktop.

Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?

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I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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The ones who have been looking to run arm Win8 natively on the tablet. You should rename the title of your thread to something more appropriate like running Win8 with remote desktop or in a "cloud" though technically its not a cloud.

Interesting read.
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Why does it matters?
It's slow, first of all... You can clearly see the lag in windows animation, and don't even try to watch an animation with remote desktop, it's unbearable!
And, you NEED another computer/server to work it... So, this mean getting at least the hardware required, plus the licenses. Which would mean spending more than a Windows 8 tablet that would run smoother and natively.

Remote use is useful in small bites
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Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
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I use my Tab to run Windows XP when I am away from my office for a few hours. Using a blue tooth keyboard makes it pretty usable but having used Win8 I can definitely see where it would be easier with a touch screen. But it's not like being in front of the local OS. I also don't find Win8 very much fun without a touch screen anyway. I doubt anyone will get it to work natively on a Tab. So you are both right. It's not like being there but it's useful in small bites.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.

Splashtop 2 updated its gestures to match Win 8. Pretty awesome since animations are almost seamless compared to remote desktop.

Originalas said:
Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
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Or you could buy a x86/x64 tablet and run it natively, for less...

Not even possible.. windows 8 is not an open source..
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You do realise most x86/x64 tablet would come with Windows 8 already installed?
The main conscern exists: You have to pay for either a computer or a "server", for the nescessary license and you still won't be able to play videos or have a "lag free" experience like if you'd get a Win8 (with an intel atom or a core i3) and run every thing natively

Cool
I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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ShawnsCompRepair said:
I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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Its pretty lag free , for the most part . but when I first installed it, it was very sluggish. after adjusting the the cpu speeds on my tablet it started running smoother, just crank your minimum tablet cpu speed up to about 500mhz and it gets rid of most the lag, then on the virtual machine give it as much ram as you can , in this video I gave the virtual machine 4 cores and 2gb of ram , but I'm now running it with 6gb of ram its about as smooth as butter.
I'm an IT professional and was on site today at an office I work with that has an IT guy that works full time there and I was " Showing him my new windows 8 tablet " and he used it for about ten minutes before saying wait a minute I though this was supposed to have a kick stand in the back, then I came clean with him and he thought it was running natively , Fun fun ....
Shawn

[Q] Does anyone have any info on adobe apps

Hey i use adobe photoshop, dreamweaver and after effects but would love to know of any plans for metro versions of these apps. As I'm actally getting board of my desktop I'm loving metro.
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I don't think Metro is anywhere close to powerful enough to run full Adobe apps on it. It is meant to be used with a touchscreen so you would lose any precision on one, and the current menus would be hard to use. I am pretty sure they would release a mobile version (like the ones on iOS and Android) if anything. Same goes for stuff like SolidWorks, AutoDesk, and Sony Vegas.

I think we will are metro apps of all these soon. Windows 8 is here to stay and pretty soon all the desktop apps will go away. Best thing to do is write adobe! The more people who ask for windows 8 apps, the more likely they will create them.
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JihadSquad said:
I don't think Metro is anywhere close to powerful enough to run full Adobe apps on it. It is meant to be used with a touchscreen so you would lose any precision on one, and the current menus would be hard to use. I am pretty sure they would release a mobile version (like the ones on iOS and Android) if anything. Same goes for stuff like SolidWorks, AutoDesk, and Sony Vegas.
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Adobe has been writing touchscreen apps for a while. They are all subsets of the full apps, yes, but don't think Adobe doesn't want a piece of the touch pie especially since they currently have nothing that runs on RT

Highly doubt there will be metro versions of the big-uns, readers yes, CAD, photo shop no. But who knows, perhaps there will be support packages, project browsers, readers, demo environments etc
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No way that will happen with photoshop. Apps like photoshop really need to deliver high precision control and many tools presented to the user at once in order to be productive. You simply can't accomplish that with a touch interface, not a chance.
If you have a large monitor (large being 30" or above) metro apps are a thorn in your side due to horribly inefficient use of screen real estate. I deleted all of mine.

I agree but metro on 37in is fine, metro is for singe use apps, email, news very specific in nature, it won't work well for the likes of PhotoShop but in terms of real estate, its fine, just use it and set it up as it was intended, an interactive startmenu an single page multi feed information source
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BeADroid said:
Windows 8 is here to stay and pretty soon all the desktop apps will go away.
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I highly doubt that. I simply can't see people readily giving up a truly windowed UI and the ability to have multiple applications on the screen at the same time. Not saying Metro doesn't have its uses, but it's simply too restrictive for general use by anyone that needs to actually be productive.

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I highly doubt that. I simply can't see people readily giving up a truly windowed UI and the ability to have multiple applications on the screen at the same time. Not saying Metro doesn't have its uses, but it's simply too restrictive for general use by anyone that needs to actually be productive.
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Agreed. Unless MS does some major overhaul of Metro in Windows 9/10, it will exist solely for content consumption... which it is great at. Creation, however, will have to reside on the more powerful desktop.

Oh, there's some productive work you can do in a "modern" app. They support mouse and keyboard, after all; you aren't required to use touch. The built-in email app is missing a few features that I consider essential (no plain text... WTF??) but for the vast majority of people, it works fine. There are already text and code editors which are totally usable (although they aren't generally *superior* to existing desktop apps). You can create and edit images and such.
That said, I agree that the desktop is here to stay. my reasoning, however, is different: *the* thing that keeps Windows as big a player as it is, is the legacy support (apps, drivers, interface). That's never going away completely.

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No way that will happen with photoshop. Apps like photoshop really need to deliver high precision control and many tools presented to the user at once in order to be productive. You simply can't accomplish that with a touch interface, not a chance.
If you have a large monitor (large being 30" or above) metro apps are a thorn in your side due to horribly inefficient use of screen real estate. I deleted all of mine.
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The way I see it - there is a big difference between content consumption while on the go, or sitting in a recliner chair AND content creation while sitting at a desk. Sometimes touch interfaces make a lot of sense and sometimes they just don't. Sometimes command line makes more sense...
So yeah... There may be a version of Photoshop that works with touch, but it doesn't seem like the ideal interface for many of the functions hard-core photoshop users need.

I think Photoshop touch will be released soon, unfortunately its not anywhere close to a replacement for Photoshop
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WebmastuhB said:
Sometimes touch interfaces make a lot of sense and sometimes they just don't. Sometimes command line makes more sense...
So yeah... There may be a version of Photoshop that works with touch, but it doesn't seem like the ideal interface for many of the functions hard-core photoshop users need.
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I can certainly see Adobe releasing a Photoshop Touch (like the existing iOS/Android versions) for Metro, but certainly not the full Photoshop. I would honestly say there's absolutely nothing that the full Photoshop would benefit from by a touch interface.
Touch would seem like a great feature for something like Photoshop, but 1- the enlarging of all the buttons, menus and various controls would drastically degrade the UI, and 2- anyone who really needs a more natural input method than a mouse will be using a Wacom tablet with the added benefit of precise pressure sensitivity and all the various pen and tip/nib options. In comparison, painting with a finger has no serious benefit.

Best Windows 8 x64 tablet to dual boot Android

So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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Anyone?
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johnnyham89 said:
So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.

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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.
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I had no idea that something like this existed!! Thanks! You were not lying about it being pricey. I'm really looking to put Android on a Windows 8 tablet myself. Have you heard anything about the Acer w700?
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Yes, the Book Trio is about the ONLY option, even because seems Google and MS and effectively killed the prospects of future dual-boot hardware. Despite its overprice and some ridiculous low-end specs such as slouch-slow spinning hard drive and low RAM, the Trio is an amazing device overall and I've been wanting to buy one for long time myself.. specially now that all the kinks are gone and works very well under Windows 8.1.1.
THE ONLY NO NOs are:
1) Asus positively doesn't care about this device and will NEVER publish any Android Firmware updates so you will be forever stuck with 4.2.2, and worse.
2) No one can get this rooted! No root, no deal. Period.

I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
Am I wrong?

Uncle Scrooge said:
I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
Am I wrong?
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Unfortunately yes you are wrong. There are numerous apps that are not available for Windows that are available for Android that do not work in any of the emulators. I strongly considered getting a Surface Pro 2 and using an emulator for the apps that I must have, but all of my must have apps refused to run, or run properly, in the various emulators I tried.
I solved the issue by buying my Trio and have no regrets. I get all of my Android love and can still switch over to Windows to do the work related tasks when I need to. I have actually found some nice apps in Windows, as well as some less than stellar ones. I am a fond user of Tapatalk and can tell you that I prefer to use Tapatalk on Android than Windows. Although Tapatalk is prettier in Windows it is significantly slower. I can puruse through the forums on Android with ease, but the same actions are painfully slow in Windows.
I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
Obviously, you are a fan of Windows based on your subjective statement that there isn't anything you couldn't do in an even better way in Windows than Android and that is great. Choice is what makes technology wonderful. I recognize that both platforms excel at certain tasks and fail at others so I focus on using the OS that is the best for each task.
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Kasush said:
I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
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Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.
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I have no wish to argue, but can you archive Gmail content using Windows mail client? Metromail cannot, despite being the top ranked Gmail client in the store.
Additionally, I intentionally used terms that were objective to keep personal opinion out of my post. I compared the performance of apps across the two platforms and referred to apps that are not available natively that I use regularly. I also acknowledged that both platforms have good and bad points.
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I'm not a fan of Windows in general, I just think that Windows is much better for tablets (just because you have almost a full-featured PC) than android, in general.
I think the Mail app in Windows 8 works just fine for Gmail, but this is just my personal opinion.
I'm a fan of Android for my smartphone instead and wouldn't ever consider replacing it with a Windows Phone

I think my Windows Asus T100 and Android Nexus 7 each have their pros and cons - but I think the hassles of dual boot would be more annoying. E.g., even if there was an app for a website on Android, rebooting to use that would be more annoying than simply viewing the website in Windows. And even if say Gmail is better on Android, do I want to have to reboot just to check email?
The Trio is more interesting in that it can apparently run both together, but because the Windows portion relies on technology in the keyboard, this only works when in laptop mode - you can't access Windows at all when in tablet mode. I think this would lose one of the big advantages of a convertible - being able to pull off the tablet from the keyboard to say, show/view some photos, or a PDF.
Also consider that the Trio is significantly more expensive than say the T100 and a Nexus 7 put together. It's also heavier too (1.7Kg for Trio; versus 1.1Kg for T100 and 0.3Kg for Nexus 7). So one option if you want the best of both platforms is just to get two devices.
Gmail works with IMAP, so use any email client you like.
There are less website-wrapper apps for Windows, but I never really understood this - if using an app is so much better than the website, why aren't there apps for Windows laptop/PC users? I though the whole point of mobile apps was because devices were too rubbish/underpowered to support the website. But if you've got a PC tablet, not an oversized fisher price phone, you can just run the website