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[Q] What are you wishing for in future roms/updates to improve your Xoom experience?

It's quiet in here while 3G Xooms are in transit getting their long-awaited 4G upgrade.
So what is coming down the road that you might feel excited about, or what is on your wishlist?
In this thread I'm not looking for a ***** session, but just an assessment of where we are in terms of software/OS and apps availability for the Xoom. I think we are all aware of any hardware limitations, so unless there may be software fixes, let's not dwell on that, OK?
Anyway, I'll start: I'm pretty happy with the Team Tiamat roms/kernels/recovery and I understand that Team Rogue makes some fantastic kernels/recoveries, too. So that's pretty good, considering Honeycomb Source code is not available.
My real need is smoother integration of productivity activities (file creation/editing/saving/sending/printing) and also design/drawing/paint applications--for my two main moneymaking activities.
I can use a whole bunch of apps but they don't work so well together.
Is there anything good to address this on the horizon?

I think google and microsoft need to get the crap together and integrate some office. I mean it would be nice to see the use of features we have and use at home/work on our pc. Adobe is doing it. MS and google (with all the patents they just bought) could make a lot of money and people happy. We could have xbox live, MS games, office apps that work with our jobs, actual ability to use the system to better our wants and needs. I would love to have android link with my google stuff and my pc stuff.
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+1 for me!
I read somewhere that the average Android user doesn't want to pay for apps. Don't know if it's true, but will that impede MS entry into Android market?

My want/need is very simple. I would love to see a few arrow keys on the keyboards. Rereading emails, texts, etc is a pain to edit without them.

OracleBlue said:
My want/need is very simple. I would love to see a few arrow keys on the keyboards. Rereading emails, texts, etc is a pain to edit without them.
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Been waiting on someone to say that I've got arrows on my phone why not on my xoom

OracleBlue said:
My want/need is very simple. I would love to see a few arrow keys on the keyboards. Rereading emails, texts, etc is a pain to edit without them.
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I use the Hacker's Keyboard. it is configured just like a pc keyboard with arrow keys!
It also splits in half like the thumb keyboard and has a dedicated number pad mode. Sometimes a bit funky in regular keyboard mode when entering numbers, but overall, works great.

Louding keyboard clicking and unlock sounds.
SD write capability similar to my Froyo phone.
Tap-to-Focus on the camera app

Tablet Miui... What? You asked lol
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Great thread!
I'm very pleased so far, especially considering source hasn't been dropped. Overclocking & undervolting are HUGE to me, adding to an already great charge time as well as an already great CPU power.
I don't know if this is simply a software issue that hasn't been done, or what, but I would really LOVE to see drag n' drop on a file browser. That would really be the icing on the 'productivity cake" for me.
Looking back at the Droid 1 development days, I see that the devs have really enabled quite a bit considering they don't have the SC. Aside of customization regarding font, color, c, I really don't know what else is possible.
As I said, I'm very pleased so far, so even if there were no further great strides to be made, I would not be disappointed with whatever the development teams come out with.

Overall very happy. In addition to the wish for functioning office apps (I have purchased all of them and use each for different functions to fill the gaps), I'd like to see an app (or, better yet, an OS function) that allows 10 or more tablets in a room (around the board table) to talk directly to each other. I want to be able to run a meeting showing the presentation on each (one tab driving), yet allowing each to take advantage of multitasking so that an individual could slip out of the presentation to retrieve a file from dropbox, pull an email, schedule an appt, etc.

okantomi said:
I'm pretty happy with the Team Tiamat roms/kernels/recovery and I understand that Team Rogue makes some fantastic kernels/recoveries, too. So that's pretty good, considering Honeycomb Source code is not available.
My real need is smoother integration of productivity activities (file creation/editing/saving/sending/printing) and also design/drawing/paint applications--for my two main moneymaking activities.
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You took the words out of my mouth. I measure and draw countertops for kitchens all day long and would like to see an app that I could use to draw them on, kinda like a dumbed down auto cad that you could use a picture or graph paper as a background.
Also the device lags a bit with anything other than a static background enabled, seemslike it should be snappier all around and I wish the keyboard would keep up better.
I love the work the folks here have done so far with this device and I understand that some stuff probably won't/can't be addressed, but those are my desires for the device.
And I want to be able to swipe the bottom bar away, or long press a corner or something.

madamimadam said:
You took the words out of my mouth. I measure and draw countertops for kitchens all day long and would like to see an app that I could use to draw them on, kinda like a dumbed down auto cad that you could use a picture or graph paper as a background.
Also the device lags a bit with anything other than a static background enabled, seemslike it should be snappier all around and I wish the keyboard would keep up better.
I love the work the folks here have done so far with this device and I understand that some stuff probably won't/can't be addressed, but those are my desires for the device.
And I want to be able to swipe the bottom bar away, or long press a corner or something.
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These are all seriously great ideas. I'm not any kind of developer but it seems like some of these suggestions could be accomplished. I would love a way to draw with a stylus and have the line actually coming from a "point" the way I normally draw with a pen. I know that some apps have less lag and some stylii approximate a point but it just doesn't feel quite right. I would also like to see improved handwriting to OCR.

I'm also interested in what people would like out of their custom rom.
Obviously we can't do everything at the moment and not everything is feasible, but it's always good to have feedback

Tiamat makes Xoom zoom. No complaints there just kudos and gratitude. As for wishing...I wish annotation intigration for both capacitive and digitized displays was universally incorporated throughout OS and apps.
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simple. I'd like to see support for usb to serial devices such as those using the pl2303 chip. I could use my zoom for hacking/servicing many devices such as the slug, routers, switches, etc. It would allow me to stop carrying a notebook computer.

How about a proper hack for 3g USB dongle support? I only managed to tether my wifi xoom to my nexus one.
And I hope Google will optimize hardware acceleration for android UI interactions. So far honeycomb lags inconsistently.

musashiken said:
How about a proper hack for 3g USB dongle support? I only managed to tether my wifi xoom to my nexus one.
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I think there is some support for 3G dongles, you might have to hit up the devs to find out the details. I know Solarnz helped me get my 4G WiMax dongle working. My modified standard dock, which now has a full-sized USB host port, and my 4G dongle make a great combination along with the BT keyboard and mouse.

kuroguy said:
simple. I'd like to see support for usb to serial devices such as those using the pl2303 chip. I could use my zoom for hacking/servicing many devices such as the slug, routers, switches, etc. It would allow me to stop carrying a notebook computer.
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Done. Ill up it tomorrow for testing.
ok guys, give it a run
http://goo.gl/MhIBX

I would like to see some kind of messaging capability without having to do a bunch of hacks to get there, and maybe good codec support written in for the stock video player, eliminating the need to try out every video app in the market to find one that works...maybe a built in note taking app and some other clocks. I really do hate the tron clock

I would like to see multiple user support much like Windows. Have a main logon screen at boot up with the all the users names and their icon, along with a password on each to keep the accounts locked. Possibly a guest account for other people who don't use your tablet a lot, but would like to play something.
This is something that is badly needed. A tablet is a device that can be shared by more than one user. If it is a family tablet it would be great to have multiple user accounts to log into with. Each account would have custom settings and apps for that user, just like Windows. The new tablets have plenty of memory to handle multiple users with multiple app installs.
Also needed for this to work: Admin + parental controls throughout the entire OS for people who are not the tablet admin. Comes in handy so that the minor users can not mess up the tablet for the owner/admin of the tablet. The minor users will not have the proper permissions to mess with anything root and such.

Android that supports windowing?

I'm just curious - with tablets as popular as they are - and with nice big screens, do you think there is any chance Android will provide any sort of windowing system in the future (so you can see more than one app at a time)? I think that would be awesome on tablets...
Any thoughts??

There is always that onskreen thing that is being developed... i heard conflicting sides to why it's not available on android, but itsounds like google is trying to displace apple instead of overwhelming it by showing that tablets can be more than entertainment..

Hmm, haven't heard of Onskreen - I just looked it up and it looks awesome! Has any OEM actually used it yet?? It says that it IS for Andorid, from what I read!

Well, there are several reasons why onskreen cornerstone is having a hard time launching. But here are the main reasons.
(1) Onskreen wants to make a lot of money out of this. So, they want to go through the formal route of having google and tablet manufacturers incorporate this in the updates.
(2) Unfortunately for onskreen, google and tablet manufacturers are not convinced that people would want this feature on their tablets.
About #2, look at the success of the ipad and ipad 2. And you couldn't even multitask on the ipad. Yet, apple is selling them by the tens of millions. Google and android tablet manufacturers think people don't want multitasking on their tablets. These mega companies are trying to catch up to the ipad's success by tailing it. And that means copying how ipad works.
Last there was any info on the development of cornerstone, google and some manufacturers were making onskreen take surveys to prove that anyone at all would like this feature on their tablet. It's sad, really, that these mega companies are perfectly happy tailing apple instead of trying something new to beat it.

If my tablet had a twenty inch screen I would want Xmonad, never mind that. At 10.1 inches Android is good enough at multi-tasking. Maybe if Android overtakes Windows PC someday in the next billion years, we'll get windowing.
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Spidey01 said:
If my tablet had a twenty inch screen I would want Xmonad, never mind that. At 10.1 inches Android is good enough at multi-tasking. Maybe if Android overtakes Windows PC someday in the next billion years, we'll get windowing.
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No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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Gary13579 said:
No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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+1 - my thoughts exactly!

Unfortunately it seems running eMMC Ubuntu is the only solution to this at the moment, and without hardware accel it's definitely not the quickest solution.
That being said, I run a full dev environment (with VPN) on my Transformer and it's incredibly convenient.
Also, battery life in Ubuntu is incredible! Surprisingly so for me anyway..
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Gary13579 said:
No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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I am a _very_ heavy multi tasker and overloader, as in making my laptop want to halt and catch fire kind of multitasking. At a minimal we're talking code compiling, music streaming, and 3+ IM tabs. while surfing the web. If I have a 24" or 40+" to work with, I'll want them each arranged in tiles automatically like XMonad can.
Over the years I have used the following: 15", 19", 22" wide, 10.1" wide, and 15.4" or w/e the wide format is. Resolutions from SVGA to HD. You know what I found when I was using a 10.1" netbook? Most of the time ALT+TAB was more effective with so little screen space. Whether I was reading or writing, watching or chatting, there just wasn't enough screen screen space for more than 1 and 1/3 programs on a 10.1" at 1024x600. I'd rather ALT+TAB than use smaller windows. The TF101's resolution on the 15.x" laptop wasn't so much better, that I would expect the same resolution on 10.1" to be a serious improvement. To be honest I never notied that big a serious gain until I hit 1920x1080 on a 22" wide screen!!!
At work, I run tmux locally (it's like screen) and connect to dtach'd shells on the development server; at home I skip the SSH part. Chrome and Pidgin being the primary GUI needs that matter and corrisponding to Opera Mobile and IMO+jTalk on my TF101.
So I don't really miss adding the 20" Dell on my desktop to it most times. It is a short comming that I can't hook up my TF to my 22" wide at home and have xterm and chrome side by side, the way my netbook and laptop could, and being able to use xrandr to choose if I wanted a mirror or a second screen, or even to make the big screen the only screen. But hey, I can't really complain because most of the time I would just be filling it with a huge ass xterm. For most people that use a tiling wm, probably the same. Regular users have more need of it and regular users are not going to use their TF the way I do.
It was a nice to have feature not a requirement -- because if it was, I wouldn't have been using anything less mobile than my desktop PC to start with! I just don't need that to be productive...maybe if I spent my job in photoshop instead of vim, idk.
edit: if it was to a vote, I'd rather have better access to things like Chrome's debugging tools than multiple windows. Then I wouldn't need my workstation every now and then!
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But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....

jtrosky said:
But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....
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Get an ipad.

goodintentions said:
Get an ipad.
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Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
Back to the question - what determines if an Android app is multitask-able? Is it up to the author of the app?
Thanks!

jtrosky said:
Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
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But... but... according to engadget the ipad is perfect at everything. Surely, the best, most powerful tablet in the world (personally created by St. Stephen and distributed by the Holy Apple Church) would be perfect at multitasking.

goodintentions said:
But... but... according to engadget the ipad is perfect at everything. Surely, the best, most powerful tablet in the world (personally created by St. Stephen and distributed by the Holy Apple Church) would be perfect at multitasking.
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Too funny! I would like the option as well to view both programs similar to cascade in windows. The only thing close I have ever seen is the dual browser whcih is ok but obviously only for internet pages. I truly think android needs a couple more software iterations. However I also don't think eclipse would let u do half of a screen for example because they have specific dimensions and sizes built in. Much like compatibility mode, if the app could default to a smaller size then it could be possible but probably wouldn't look natural.
Fascinate CM7 Stable

jtrosky said:
But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....
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I can't really see the development efforts and the major headscrew for the user expirerence as being worth it until we have the Android PC where most people have a Dell or an eMachine on a desk. Maybe someday if Windows 8 flops but not today w/o a freaky fork of Android.
A great plus of Android to me, I have almost all the power my BSD and Linux based systems have, everything I need (personally) to be productive, some useful propritary apps I might not get with FreeBSD, plus it is so easy to use that my mother can use Gingerbread and Froyo. We have had computers for nearly 20 years and she has used Windows XP since 2001 ---- and still struggles with multiple windows, copying and pasting, browsing/saving files, etc. Holy crap, I think it took 7 years for her to stop asking me, "Left or right click". Google has done an awesome job IMHO.
That is just an awesome combo, plus I could probably use x forwarding/vnc magic and get a 1280x1080 GNU/Linux desktop on my big screen, and use a local VNC connection when getting up to go. Maybe even resize it after rather than scroll around. So I can technically have it if I wanted or needed it for productivity, just not with Android apps.
@the multitasking part, usually you can use the copy buffer as an accumulator when that happens. I tend to use Home or the "Multitasking" buttons / ALT+Tab depending on what I'm doing, and rarely have a problem unless I take too long to switch back or launch something memory intensive. Also another reason I switched from TexTab to Tablet Talk, hehe. Most apps that I use don't cause me troubles and those that do on occasion (TeamSpeak) wouldn't if designed properly for the life cycle of an Android application. Then there are some where the activity just dies out, like MoboPlayer lol.
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Spidey, fact is, I'd get a lot of use out of a tiling wm on Android. I know we can go without it, certainly, that's why I'm still using my TF for development! The TF offers so many advantages over a traditional notebook that the loss is worth it, but that doesn't make it useless. There are many, many uses for it, especially for IM and video. I suppose we could probably get IM working with window fragments... I'll have to look into it for my #1 l33t IM app! Also tiling things like connectbot and the browser would be great, for so many reasons. It may not be perfect on such a small screen, but it would be useful most of the time.
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Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
Back to the question - what determines if an Android app is multitask-able? Is it up to the author of the app?
Thanks!
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He tells that to everyone that even hints at Android not being perfect.
Android sends a signal to an app when you leave it, telling it that you left. It sits there for a while, and if you don't enter it again for so long, Android sends it a destroy signal, and it's up to the author of the app to save the current state so it can be resumed next time it's opened. If it doesn't behave like this, then yea, it's because of the author of the app (or it's too complicated an app to save/restore the state... eg imagine a 3d game).
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Gary13579 said:
Android sends a signal to an app when you leave it, telling it that you left. It sits there for a while, and if you don't enter it again for so long, Android sends it a destroy signal, and it's up to the author of the app to save the current state so it can be resumed next time it's opened. If it doesn't behave like this, then yea, it's because of the author of the app (or it's too complicated an app to save/restore the state... eg imagine a 3d game).
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Thanks for the info! What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...). From what your saying, it sounds like all apps shoudl be able to multitask to some point, but that's not what I'm seeing... I'm wondering if it's just an issue with the custom ROM/kernel I'm using...
Thanks again! Obviously, not a huge deal, but kinda annoying sometimes.
Regardless, I would NEVER even think of switching back to Apple devices (gave the iPad to the wife) - Android really is so much more powerful!

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Thanks for the info! What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...). From what your saying, it sounds like all apps shoudl be able to multitask to some point, but that's not what I'm seeing... I'm wondering if it's just an issue with the custom ROM/kernel I'm using...
Thanks again! Obviously, not a huge deal, but kinda annoying sometimes.
Regardless, I would NEVER even think of switching back to Apple devices (gave the iPad to the wife) - Android really is so much more powerful!
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The only time I've seen this happen is because of launching one app from another. eg if you click a web link within an app and it opens the browser, it won't show both the originating app *and* the browser for some reason, it only shows one (I forget which).
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Gary13579 said:
The only time I've seen this happen is because of launching one app from another. eg if you click a web link within an app and it opens the browser, it won't show both the originating app *and* the browser for some reason, it only shows one (I forget which).
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Ok, thanks for the info. I can't even remember which apps were giving me issues off-hand - I'll have to start paying attention to this again to see if my system is working properly or not.
Thanks again.

Gary13579 said:
Spidey, fact is, I'd get a lot of use out of a tiling wm on Android. I know we can go without it, certainly, that's why I'm still using my TF for development! The TF offers so many advantages over a traditional notebook that the loss is worth it, but that doesn't make it useless. There are many, many uses for it, especially for IM and video. I suppose we could probably get IM working with window fragments... I'll have to look into it for my #1 l33t IM app! Also tiling things like connectbot and the browser would be great, for so many reasons. It may not be perfect on such a small screen, but it would be useful most of the time.
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I never said it was useless but short of the Android PC on almost everyones desk, I don't see that happening; because I can understand why Google hasn't really done that. And I think we will just get refineme ts on what we already have for multi-tasking by Android 6.x.
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What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...).
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This is most probmatic when one activity lauches another, for example openning a PDF in Polaris via Opera. I hope the mukti0tasking button gets better in ICS, since I need the dock to use the okd one.
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You are stubborn. And your W7 desktop is full of sh...

Yeah, I'm talking to you
I'm really surprised at some of the scorn poured on Metro on WP8.
What I've noticed:
When I browse on the Metro IE, my screen is clutter free!
I have social feeds, direct to tiles that I can see.
What I notice when I go back to W7, and observe others.
Peoples desktops are full of junk/work in progress/files they haven't "dealt with". Almost like a notice board, waste paper bin. Stickie note collector.
I used to work this way. I also used to use email as my reminder/work scheduling system.
I've stopped being bogged down by email by originally using Evernote, then moved to OneNote, as I like the sync via Skydrive (WP7 of course) but also that each section is just a file on a drive.
My email is very low, it doesn't stress me. I have a better GTD style "worflow".
All my files are filed, either on Skydrive or SharePoint. Clutter no more.
My kids don't do email. At all.
I've also noticed at work that it is programmers who don't like change. Which to me seems odd, as they are the smart people? But there are different types of smart, and concepts, futures etc sometimes seem to illude them.
Ramble ramble. I think Windows 8 is on the right path.
Ironically I've found W8 to work better on my desktop than on the Dell Duo tablet I've tried it on. Perhaps this will change when the hardware is more targetted, but the hot corners were inconsistent and I clammered for mouse.
I want pictures, fast links, social feeds and real information on my desktop. Not the contents of my bin.
I'm very curious how this will play out. Another Vista, or Windows 7+ ?
Time will tell. But I really _love_ W8. I hate going "back" to W7 now.
Are naysayers sticks in the mud, or reflective of how the masses will take W8.
Intruiging times.
(For the guy saying he will go to Mac, thats funny as Launchpad is similar to the Metro start screen. Recent updates have changed scroll direction to match touch.)

hear hear!

Right On.
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very well said, even though i disagree with some of your points, your statement was very well thought out.
personally after using W8, i was dying to get back to W7, for some of the same reasons you enjoyed W8.
I'm a little OCD about my start screen being aesthetically pleasing, so i keep it very clean and nice, with only the recycle bin, libraries, and 3 programs against the left side. Link if you care. i will occasionally dump a file or folder on the desktop as it is the easiest way to access said file or folder at the time, until i can put it "away" or am done with it. Not dissimilar to getting what you're working on IRL out of your desk drawer, and leaving it out while you use it (IMHO) all my stick notes go on my android phone, on the screen right of home. i don't email much, when i do i use my phone as my notification. if i need to write one i'll jump on my tablet or gmail's web interface: i have no need for it to be integrated with my PC. i also fancy myself as a causal rookie photographer, so i take a lot of pictures and don't always toss out the not-the-best ones. i don't necessarily want those scrolling through my homescreen. I also don't really use social media, so that's not that applicable to me.
and having used Lion after using W8CP, i do like it, but i actually found launchpad pretty pointless.
i have nothing against the metro theme or design language, i simply think the execution of the UI for non-touch is badly done. things like the charms and hot corners make it un-intuitive and confusing to existing, non-geek users. multitaking is too difficult for your average joe "I click E to get to 'E'nternet, right?" to comprehend easily. all your points are valid, but i think you're over-estimating the average consumer.

I'm not stubborn as you think I am. Just to make you understand in your simple language. I just don't use my desktop PC to read emails or share every freaking thing I do on FB or twitter unlike you and few others. On internet browser I have to switch among multiple tabs fast Then switch to software like adobe dreamweaver, PS, FTP client, etc. I can keep all open and reduce the shell size so I can follow all work at once and lot faster, its easier on my high res big screen and on metro ui I can't resize any metro apps cause my desktop thinks that its a f..king tablet. What you can't see is MS is trying to sell their tablets and phones to their existing desktop users. Which is unfair to us.
And in metro UI it kills most time finding the opened tabs. Hell with it now It has many flaws but you wouldn't care cause software.. sorry "app" like Ms paint is the only thing you have learned to use so far and of course you can see all you social feeds on the "homescreen" itself.
Sorry, just being polite.
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I thought I might add........
I think people misunderstand the difference between Apps and Applications/Programs, I'm not sure your suppose to see them the same way.
Applications/Programs traditionally are used on the desktop. They are fully featured software for the doings of complicated things. The desktop interface in Windows 8 is still the place to do such work, that's why it's still there. High Power Activities such as PhotoShop, Video Editing, Big Release Games etc
Apps, these are small quick programs for doing smaller less intense and demanding jobs. The job of an App is to perform simple low power task such as mp3 playing, picture viewing, Calendar Entries, Emails.
The differences maybe subtle at first glance but it only takes a moment to realise the significance. Only in recent years have Pc's become powerful enough to do multiple small tasks at the same time properly, there was no real power difference between watching a video and editing one. Now there is a clear gulf between the 2 power states & it makes complete sense for an operating system to reflect it.
Laptops have had different "power states" for sometime now, they conserve battery life for normal tasks but gives you an option to turn them up if and when its required. Cpu's always used to run at full blast all the time. Most cpu's Idle themselves when not required now, some even overclock themselves depending on demand. I could go on, the Tegra 3 uses a separate underclocked core when being used for low power consumption applications.
The Metro UI simply bundles all those small things that we do everyday into one easy place. None of these tasks demand huge attention so a live tile is all that's required to display what you need to know at a glance. Then you hop back to your desktop to continue with the real tasks at hand.
Theres my 27 cents worth.

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I think people misunderstand the difference between Apps and Applications/Programs, I'm not sure your suppose to see them the same way.
Applications/Programs traditionally are used on the desktop. They are fully featured software for the doings of complicated things. The desktop interface in Windows 8 is still the place to do such work, that's why it's still there. High Power Activities such as PhotoShop, Video Editing, Big Release Games etc
Apps, these are small quick programs for doing smaller less intense and demanding jobs. The job of an App is to perform simple low power task such as mp3 playing, picture viewing, Calendar Entries, Emails.
The differences maybe subtle at first glance but it only takes a moment to realise the significance. Only in recent years have Pc's become powerful enough to do multiple small tasks at the same time properly, there was no real power difference between watching a video and editing one. Now there is a clear gulf between the 2 power states & it makes complete sense for an operating system to reflect it.
Laptops have had different "power states" for sometime now, they conserve battery life for normal tasks but gives you an option to turn them up if and when its required. Cpu's always used to run at full blast all the time. Most cpu's Idle themselves when not required now, some even overclock themselves depending on demand. I could go on, the Tegra 3 uses a separate underclocked core when being used for low power consumption applications.
The Metro UI simply bundles all those small things that we do everyday into one easy place. None of these tasks demand huge attention so a live tile is all that's required to display what you need to know at a glance. Then you hop back to your desktop to continue with the real tasks at hand.
Theres my 27 cents worth.
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thank you so much for your reply. actually youre the first one who put in some logic to your words over here. Now my problem is for people who have a high end quad core processor, ram, gpu, etc for doing 10 things at once and not one at a time. small things like music player doesnt require to take up the full screen with 100's of "buy" button.
App is supposed to be small and on windows desktop they could just keep it as tiles or widgets on screen and keep the rest of desktop as it was or might changed the look to match the metro ui just keep the real desktop pc experience alive.
Right now I have to switch to the desktop version of IE to watch videos on youtube just because windows ph and tablets don't support flash hence no flash support for new IE on prime desktop. Of course after few days I can download other metro browsers when they release which might support flash but everything looks very messed up right now on W8.
It's clearly going to be like another Vista release which was still okay but this is utter crap cause I dont want to use my desktop as my tablet.

Widgets/gadgets appeared with vista but weren't commonly adopted, I think this was due to a lack of interested by programmers, the financial incentive came from the phone market a little later. My personal issue with the gadgets was clutter (the original posters comments prevail).
Flash support is another story. Adobe own Flash & the people putting together HTML5 as a standard want to use an Open Source base for streaming web video. In general this seems like a good idea apart from the wide use of flash already on sites like Iplayer, Youtube etc and they are radically effected by this & they will either choose to adopt or not. I think they probably will, a lot of Youtube videos are already compatible & if they start forcing all videos to be HTML5 compliant the transition shouldn't be too painful.
Remember Windows 8 is Beta, early adopters will always pay a price for progress.
Personaly I don't normaly use IE & therefore Im forced back to the Desktop for Internet Browsing anyway.

Just as widgets I see the same with metro, devs will have lack of interest and eventually win desktop PC will reach a saturation point just like wp7 though I hope not.
But see what MS is doing right here they want to increase the wp7 apps number to increase so they've introduced metro ui as prime desktop so devs those who works on PC software can later just scale it down for wp7 too. And Eventually that'll never happen cause most of the devs are just into productivity and not into designing metro apps which focuses more on looks, the devs are not ready to proceed that yet. How can I be so sure? Well WP7 is right in front of you.
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Just as widgets I see the same with metro, devs will have lack of interest and eventually win desktop PC will reach a saturation point just like wp7 though I hope not.
But see what MS is doing right here they want to increase the wp7 apps number to increase so they've introduced metro ui as prime desktop so devs those who works on PC software can later just scale it down for wp7 too. And Eventually that'll never happen cause most of the devs are just into productivity and not into designing metro apps which focuses more on looks, the devs are not ready to proceed that yet. How can I be so sure? Well WP7 is right in front of you.
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Some of the main app suppliers for phones have already confirmed they will be porting their apps to windows, Firefox has also confirmed they are working on a Firefox metro ui interface. There are now thousands of companies who specialize in Apps alone & make a healthy living from it. The Metro UI is written in Html5 which is to become the web standard therefore compatible on all devices(in theory) and based on a common computer language that a lot of Devs already know. Microsoft, although this is probably yet to be confirmed, were saying that the Windows 8 Store will give a higher percentage of the sales revenue back to the developers than Google or Apple too.
So if you already have Apps you sell it would be easy enough to convert it, the conversion would be to the future web standard code, that you already know how to use and the extra market place, which is going to be installed onto millions of computers, giving you a good market coverage, will pay you more money for your work than the markets you already use. The only problem that I see is that its an offer that's too good to be true for Devs. But Equally, knowing Microsofts marketing strategy history would suggest that "Cut Throating" your competitors for market share wouldn't be such a big leap for them.
Although I could keep debating this, time will tell. The truth is, Apps are probably here to stay in one form or another, they have already proven themselves on Mac, Android, Wii, Xbox live Arcade, PlayStation etc. Windows late adoption only shows that its inevitable. I think your quite right that Microsoft has made a point of putting it main stage in order to encourage adoption & I think it will work.
Windows 8 is not Vista. Vista didn't work very well & was far too demanding for the existing systems people owned. They also hid it away so it could be a surprise. That why Windows 7 had such a large Beta launch and why Windows 8 has just had an even larger one. Windows 7 ran much faster than Vista & Windows 8 is faster again.
Anyways I quit the debate here, ill just be answering peoples problems if I can help from now on. My last piece of advice "One should float like a leaf on the river of life, & kill old lady!"

Metro is amazing i love it but the only problem is its not a desktop os. For laptops it amazing I say not good for desktop because nowaday desktop is a Family computer not a Personal computer. But you can do some mods and remove metro and everythings fine.
Also Windows 8 uses a lot less ram and is a hell lot faster

Samsung Windows 8 tablet

Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg

rand33099 said:
Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
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Not really. Looks like a tablet and keyboard to me.

Yup. The Asus Tranformer prime or infinity.
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Got the chance to play with it. Amazing device....
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Got the chance to play with it. Amazing device....
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I like the looks of it. Where did you get a hands on at?

mitchellvii said:
Not really. Looks like a tablet and keyboard to me.
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Thats funny!!

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Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?]
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Apple's issue with the OG G-Tab wasn't just its physical design, it was that, in their view, the OS it ran mimicked iOS and the combination would confuse potential customers. They never went after Windows phones even though they are physically similar to the Android phones they sued over because no one will confuse WP7/8 with iOS. The same thing would apply to W8 tablets.
This is far closer in design to the iPad and yet Apple never went after Asus. They pick and choose their targets carefully. I'd assume that in 2015 if all the appeals run out and Samsung loses Apple will then go back and seek damages from all other Android tablet and phone makers using the Samsung win as precedent.

rand33099 said:
Did Samsung not learn from their law suit not to copy other manufactures? Does this design of the new Samsung windows 8 tablet remind you of anyone else's?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg
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Nice. Depending on user reviews, that may be my next tablet.

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Nice. Depending on user reviews, that may be my next tablet.
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same here. I doubt I'll let Asus sucker me in to buying another 4 tablets to find 1 usable one.

the tablet in the ops link clearly does not look like i pad. that button/ logo is at the bottom middle of landscape mode .. The ipad is bottom middle of portrate mode...
I would buy one if it could get all day use battery life weigh less then 1.5 lbs without keyboard of course. and prices reasonable. Ok well maybe i would consider it...

Here's a review of a W8 Pro tablet from a reporter that used it for a week. Overall, he was pleased. Here's some of the things he questioned which I think are going to be important to a lot of people. The things I bolded we've talked about and I'd bet you create a lot of chatter once W8 tablets are in people's hands. There's an old adage - "you only get a single chance to make a first impression." How W8 tablets launch and are perceived (outside the enterprise) are going to determine their future. So far all our conversations have been about the things people hope to do with them with no discussion about their limitations. The latter is going to get far more press after their launch. Look at maps and the purple camara flair in the iP5.
The split-screen view is one of my favorite new tricks. The OS supports full multitasking, and with a specific finger swipe maneuver, you can open two different Windows 8 apps on screen. For example, your Mail app can occupy the left pane (which is fixed at roughly one-quarter of the display) while Internet Explorer can sit in the right pane (which dominates the screen). If you like, you can flip their positions, moving the skinnier pane to the right side.
Another neat trick: To switch between open apps, simply drag your finger from the left side of the screen. Its the Windows 8 version of Alt-Tab, and once again demonstrates just how powerful--and fun--the system is relative to the competition. To see a thumbnail filmstrip of all of your open apps, quickly drag your finger right and then left, from the left edge of the screen. To access the Windows 8 "charms" bar--a centralized home for search, sharing, and settings functions, among others--swipe in from the right bezel. All these touch maneuvers became second nature once I learned them, but they're not intuitive from the giddy-up, and they're difficult to describe in words. This could emerge as a public relations pain point for Microsoft. If the company is smart, it will build a force-run demo video into Windows 8--something that pops up the first time someone turns on the new hardware.
Challenging learning curves aside, I found the W700's touch controls quick, fluid, and responsive. Screen redraws never lagged or stuttered, and the hardware seemed well-equipped to handle the OS's requirements. We didn't run any benchmarks on our preproduction unit, but if a Core i5 and 4GB of memory can't boss a tablet OS around like a schoolyard bully, Microsoft has serious optimization problems.
Of course, the new Start screen is far from perfect. For one thing, without resorting to third-party utilities, a user who wants to boot straight into the system's desktop mode can't bypass the Start screen. And as Paul Allen recently pointed out, the Start screen has no hierarchical nesting system--so if you have a huge collection of apps, you may find yourself scrolling ad nauseam to find a particular live tile.
All of which brings us to the question of how the W700 and Windows 8 performed in desktop mode. It was far better than some critics have made it out to be, but a device like this definitely presents some compromises. The bigger problem with using the W700 as a traditional PC productivity machine lies in the rendering of the Windows desktop. A resolution of 1920 by 1080 on an 11.6-inch screen makes for tiny fonts, icons, and scroll bars. And because all of these interface elements were so small, I had trouble seeing text in the URL field of Internet Explorer, for example. Likewise, using touch gestures to collapse and exit out of windows--or, for that matter, just navigating around the basic Windows experience that I've been using since Windows 3.1--was a challenge.
Though Windows 8 hasn't even launched yet, it's off to a rocky start. Power users are slamming Microsoft for all the new "features" that subjugate the desktop, and as we reported on Monday, the Windows Store inventory is looking alarmingly thin.​
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/windows/3402233/acer-w700-review/?pn=1

erica_renee said:
the tablet in the ops link clearly does not look like i pad. that button/ logo is at the bottom middle of landscape mode .. The ipad is bottom middle of portrate mode...
I would buy one if it could get all day use battery life weigh less then 1.5 lbs without keyboard of course. and prices reasonable. Ok well maybe i would consider it...
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Here's what I'm talking about.... Not I-pad
http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2012/07/asus_transformer_infinity_original.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/samsung-ativ-smart-pc.jpg

All of which brings us to the question of how the W700 and Windows 8 performed in desktop mode. It was far better than some critics have made it out to be, but a device like this definitely presents some compromises. The bigger problem with using the W700 as a traditional PC productivity machine lies in the rendering of the Windows desktop. A resolution of 1920 by 1080 on an 11.6-inch screen makes for tiny fonts, icons, and scroll bars. And because all of these interface elements were so small, I had trouble seeing text in the URL field of Internet Explorer, for example. Likewise, using touch gestures to collapse and exit out of windows--or, for that matter, just navigating around the basic Windows experience that I've been using since Windows 3.1--was a challenge.
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And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.

mitchellvii said:
And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.
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I would so have to agree with this. A
As far as the tablets looking alot . well the look is directly related to how it works. the layout and so on . that is why the icrap lawsuits and patents should be tossed out. as well as some other design patents .. its not just a common sense function.. not a design..

The Samsung Ativ Smart PC (series 5 slate) is on presale btw for 650 at staples.
http://www.staples.com/Samsung-Series-5-Slate-Tablet-Pre-Sale/product_477673?catalogId=10051&fromUrl=home&cmSearchKeyword=series+5+slate&cmArea=SEARCH&langId=-1&storeId=10001&ddkey=http:StaplesSearch
Also at Amazon 650 for tablet only and 750 for bundled tab and keyboard for the atom version.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-Smart-500T-Tablet/dp/B009LL9U50/ref=sr_1_46?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350074504&sr=1-46&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-...074504&sr=1-44&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc
i5 version at 1,200
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ATIV-Smart-Pro-700T/dp/B0098O9TRO/ref=sr_1_45?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350074504&sr=1-45&keywords=samsung+ativ+smart+pc

mitchellvii said:
And this my friends is why Windows tablets will fail. The screen is simply too small to be a laptop replacement and too expensive to be a tablet replacement. Of course some people will like it but it will not find wide acceptance. Add to that that enterprises HATE Windows 8 and you have a recipe for failure.
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but i think this is closer to true mobile computing. a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop and you can hook up to a monitor and other external components when at home. all with the power of a full OS and better application support than any other tablet.
it's definitely not what everyone wants or needs, but it's something i'm looking forward to.

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but i think this is closer to true mobile computing. a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop and you can hook up to a monitor and other external components when at home. all with the power of a full OS and better application support than any other tablet.
it's definitely not what everyone wants or needs, but it's something i'm looking forward to.
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"better application support than any other tablet."
Wait till the product is out for a while before making a claim like that. It reallly puts me off considering a win8 tablet when people proclaim something is this and that, when the damn things not even out yet...........
Saying that, as a current android user i wish the win8 tabs a sucess in a FREE MARKET, because COMPETITION benefits us all

An 11.6 inch tablet at same basic resolution as this tablet is going to look like crap. Seriously. These Windows 8 Tablets are too expensive for a tablet and too small for a laptop replacement.
Stuck in the middle. They won't sell.
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"better application support than any other tablet."
Wait till the product is out for a while before making a claim like that. It reallly puts me off considering a win8 tablet when people proclaim something is this and that, when the damn things not even out yet...........
Saying that, as a current android user i wish the win8 tabs a sucess in a FREE MARKET, because COMPETITION benefits us all
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guess i should have been more specific since there will be 2 versions of the w8 tablet, but i was referring to the pro version from barry's post. it's already a fact that windows has more applications than any tablet (but not necessarily all tablet friendly) - possibly combined. sure i'll be giving up battery life, but that's what i'll have my ARM tablet for - who knows what OS that one will be.
one thing i'm hoping for on windows rt is the ability to tie multiple devices to one account but only allow certain devices to actualy access the mail and personal settings of the main account, like IOS does. i don't like tying all my android devices share with my daughter to my gmail account and i don't want to make two account and have to buy an app twice to share it with her (amazon is a decent solution, but no for apps i've already purchased). i've got app blockers on her tablet now, but one day she may get smart enough to get around them.

madsquabbles said:
guess i should have been more specific since there will be 2 versions of the w8 tablet, but i was referring to the pro version from barry's post. it's already a fact that windows has more applications than any tablet (but not necessarily all tablet friendly) - possibly combined. sure i'll be giving up battery life, but that's what i'll have my ARM tablet for - who knows what OS that one will be.
one thing i'm hoping for on windows rt is the ability to tie multiple devices to one account but only allow certain devices to actualy access the mail and personal settings of the main account, like IOS does. i don't like tying all my android devices share with my daughter to my gmail account and i don't want to make two account and have to buy an app twice to share it with her (amazon is a decent solution, but no for apps i've already purchased). i've got app blockers on her tablet now, but one day she may get smart enough to get around them.
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You can put another account on her device and use apk extractor to share paid apps with her without the need to buy them twice, i do this allot with my brothers
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Artists - What apps do you use?

I'm posting this here, because I would assume that most of the people who bought a Note did it because of the S-Pen. Therefore, you probably did it for artistic reasons, or because of handwriting support.
Personally, I did it for artsy reasons. For the last couple years (since I got my iPad1) I have been preferring drawing pictures digitally. In order to reference my "style" (might help with my later question) my work is on:
http://niiru.deviantart.com/
I had a few setbacks (apps being a pain, etc) and problems with resolutions and all that, but for the last few months it was ticking along nicely.
And then... I wanted to upgrade my tablet. But an iPad4? The same as what I had pretty much, but the new version? Seemed boring... even though it would be easy, as I could keep the new apps etc...
BUT no... I impulse bought a Note10.1 instead. Because the more-accurate style of stylus could only help, and pressure support? I did without it until now, but it might help in future!
HOWEVER...
I started with Sketchbook Pro on the ipad, a good program. However it was limited in the resolution you could use, which meant that the exported pictures were not very big on my computer screen. And of course, if you enlarge them, they become heavily pixelated. Not good.
So I changed to vector programs, mostly one called "iDraw", which is basically a full adobe illustrator style program. Does absolutely everything. And the main advantage being, the vectors are saved when you export the file... so you can make the pictures as big as you want without any pixellation problems!
My problem with android though... the only vector apps I can find are Adobe Ideas (very very badly rated, 1 star app...) and one called Infinite Design (very highly rated, but still rough around the edges).
BACK TO THE POINT...
So while Adobe Ideas is being made into something thats... not crap. And while infinte design is working out its issues (though I'm still going to try and use it), I wondered what all you guys out in Note-land were using?
Im expecting some nods to sketchbook pro.... and I'm really hoping someone will tell me a way to get around its "canvas size is limited to screen resolution" problem. As this... is pretty bad.
...and I'm also hoping for a few new ideas, some "diamond in the rough" apps which haven't reached my ears yet..
Really hoping I won't regret buying the Note to be honest... I had high hopes for it. It has hit an early hurdle, even taking into account the relative youth of the android tablet app environment.
FOR THOSE WHO SKIPPED THE WALL OF TEXT:
QUESTION - What do you guys use, to make pretty pictures on the tablets. Vector based for preference, or bitmap if the canvas size can be changed!
Thanks y'all.
(excuse any rambling, it is 2am here. 'nuff said.)
edit: I didn't put this in the "questions" thread, because its not a question about the Note itself... sorry if that was a mistake.

I also bought the note to draw on and do some sketching, but have been unable to find a program that I like. I keep getting random lines with some of the apps from leaning on the screen. Very dissapointing, but I would like to see what people would recommend
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rgane5327 said:
I also bought the note to draw on and do some sketching, but have been unable to find a program that I like. I keep getting random lines with some of the apps from leaning on the screen. Very dissapointing, but I would like to see what people would recommend
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Ok, after another half hour of playing around with Infinite Design, I can see why a) some people give it great reviews, and b) why some people hate it.
I'll start with b) - The interface is a little confusing, and definately needs to be worked on. I think its a one-man project though, so things like UI design may not be at the top of his list. It takes a while to find some things, like certains tools and ways of doing things. I guess thats what they would call a learning curve though.
however...
a) This app does have some very very clever design features. I have found a couple that have actually wowed me, and made me think I could use it to do some really interesting work.
For instance, you can add a line of symmetry to a drawing, so that everything you draw is mirrored along a vertical/horizontal/angled line of symmetry.
Not too special you say? Well you can add this line mid-drawing, without it automatically mirroring your previous work, and do a couple mirrored lines, then remove it. Ive known programs that would simply mirror everything.
Still not enough? The line of symmetry is customisable, it defaults to the centre of where your screen is aimed on the canvas, and can be moved to any location. *This is actually potentially very useful, and I know of no iOS apps that have this as a feature.*
back to b) though, finding out HOW to put in these lines of symmetry, and how to then move them (it involves a tool that is in a different menu entirely) was half judgement and half luck on my part. There aren't any tutorials for any of this stuff *yet*.
But yes, if vectors float your boat (as they do mine) it would seem that "Infinite Design" is currently the one to watch on Android. Its not perfect, it will take some work and getting used to, but with a few more updates (and the guy seems to be working on them fairly regularly, relatively speaking) it could be something pretty special.
SO I have put in an answer to my own question, someone elses turn now!
Edit:
I actually emailed the creators of sketchbook pro (auto desk) because I was so annoyed by the canvas size limitation I wanted to vent my anger in a request for much-needed-changes...
Less than an hour later, I had an actual reply! I was shocked, to say the least.
Apparently Chad (the auto desk guy) was so helpful, he decided to let me know that the new version of sketchbook for iPad and android was coming soon, and would have changes to the canvas limitation, as well as various other "exciting changes in the way people will use this app".
He seemed excited, and now so am I!
So there might be good things coming for sketchbook pro, and I am glad as that was always a very good app on iOS.

niiiice nirurin ! ... Sketchbook pro needs Palm rejection badly and faster input without a lag.
I use
Lecture notes - for fast input line drawings
Paint Joy now known as Doodle Joy :good:
Sketchbook Pro
Photoshop touch
Drawing :good:
Markers
Pretty Painter
Quill
Sketch and Paint
Layer Paint
Snote Jellybean version , for collage type cutting and pasting multiple images and creating new concept characters .
me and my colleagues here @ Dreamworks Animation use the tablet mainly for caricature and painting , so its art all the way .

You may want to check out this thread to see some examples of art Note 10.1 users have done. Will also give you some idea of the capabilities of the apps they used.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1861201

Quill or Papyrus are the best drawing apps in my opinion.

hpblze said:
niiiice nirurin ! ... Sketchbook pro needs Palm rejection badly and faster input without a lag.
I use
Lecture notes - for fast input line drawings
Paint Joy now known as Doodle Joy :good:
Sketchbook Pro
Photoshop touch
Drawing :good:
Markers
Pretty Painter
Quill
Sketch and Paint
Layer Paint
Snote Jellybean version , for collage type cutting and pasting multiple images and creating new concept characters .
me and my colleagues here @ Dreamworks Animation use the tablet mainly for caricature and painting , so its art all the way .
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Good list! I'm going through them on the play store at the moment, though a few of them fall into the "fun" category, of being nice to play around and doodle on, but no use for any bigger projects. The problem is usually a matter of having no way to export the pictures as a usable file type
edit: layer paint seems interesting, if it ever makes a tablet version it could be awesome. I cant find an app called "drawing" though...
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I had heard of these before, but I had thought they were just for handwriting (that is what they themselves advertise as) though the quill app does seem to have a few nice drawing tools too. And it can save as a .pdf.. which would usually mean saving any vector information too! Interesting..

TVPaint
If you want a mind bogglingly advanced program, try signing up for the TVPaint beta
http://www.tvpaint.com/v2/content/article/downloads/openbeta.php
otherwise, Layerpaint is great and allows you to modify the resolution as well as export files for use in Photoshop

I made a thread a while back with a list of applications and links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846149&highlight=for+the+artists

Jonphinguyen7 said:
I made a thread a while back with a list of applications and links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846149&highlight=for+the+artists
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Ahh thanks, I will take a look
I have also found out about an app called TouchDraw... vector drawing, seems to have been a popular one on the iPad store, and is released on android recently it seems....
But its unavailable in my country? I'm in the UK, so I'm guessing its for America only for some reason (As I doubt the developer has a specific grudge against the UK). I may try and find a way around this, so that I can test it out and review it for you guys.
I'll try and post up a review thread of all these apps somewhere soon, so people can find the apps that would be most useful to them (vectors/bitmap/fun/serious/etc)
Assuming this would be useful to anyone anyway, I know it would be to me

My daughter wants an app that's good for inking and has a blend and smudge tool, multiple brush modes, and layers. Do any of the apps out there fit this bill.
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bulletwithbatwings said:
If you want a mind bogglingly advanced program, try signing up for the TVPaint beta
http://www.tvpaint.com/v2/content/article/downloads/openbeta.php
otherwise, Layerpaint is great and allows you to modify the resolution as well as export files for use in Photoshop
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I got this just now. Had an hour of playing around (and looking up windows help guides to figure some stuff out)....
Oh..Em..Gee.
This is an insane program. It is like a full windows animation program, on a tablet.
And strangely, it wouldnt work on any normal tablet, only ones that use a pen. Fingers would be way too thick to hit these menu buttons, and the contextual help only comes up on "mouse-overs".
Colour me impressed, this tool will be something awesome when it is released. There needs to be more like this! Programs that the iPad could *never* have (unless they release a non-capacitive screened iPad, which I doubt they would).
My daughter wants an app that's good for inking and has a blend and smudge tool, multiple brush modes, and layers. Do any of the apps out there fit this bill.
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Sketchbook pro has most, if not all, of these features. Not sure on the blend and smudge for the android version, I know that the iPad version did. Check it out in the Play store, it should list the features.
It is a very good program, and I have been told by an Autodesk employee that a new update that will add all sorts of nice new features, and will be coming out "soon". Though how soon "soon" is, is anyones guess.
Dont take my word for it though (I'd hate for you to spend money and then blame me if I was wrong!!!) so check out the Play listing for sketchbook pro. Make sure you end up buying the "Sketchbook Pro for Tablets" one though, if you do buy it.
Edit: There are blend modes using layers.... but no smudge tool in sketchbook. Not on android anyway, it has been on the iPad version for a long time though. I would *think* that it would get added in the upcoming update. Sorry I couldnt be more help, I haven't yet explored the colouring side things on android...
However, I hear good things about a program called "Infinite Painter", made by the same guy who does the Infinite Design app. The pictures I have seen done using it were very impressive, so I expect that might have smudge/blend tools. I would check that one out if I were you. It has a Note-specific version of the app, which is nice!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brakefield.painter&hl=en
This is a link to the Free version. Probably has adverts or limited saves or something. The paid version isnt expensive though.

I use sketchbook pro, best app for drawing I've used and easy translation from photoshop illustrator but slightly easier for stuff like adding layers.
Lacks the one thing it needs which is palm rejection which would make it a worthwhile purchase.
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I use sketchbook pro, best app for drawing I've used and easy translation from photoshop illustrator but slightly easier for stuff like adding layers.
Lacks the one thing it needs which is palm rejection which would make it a worthwhile purchase.
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It's the app I used on iPad, but trust me when I say the iPad version has a lot more tools in it. Don't know why they've been so slow with the android one.
An update on my infinite design findings... It's good. But it's missing some necessary tools, such as Path joining and being able to select-all. Also it seems you can't have your line be a different color to your fill...
Vector graphics users will hopefully understand what I mean lol. I miss my iDraw program on the iOS. It had everything. Maybe someday soon a program will catch up to it!
Although I still need to try that new TouchDraw program that's on Samsung apps... It looks promising, in theory.

Because people think of Apple users as "artists" and Android users as geeks.
Anyway, tvpaint looks ridiculously complex!

I once was quite good at using TV Paint (when it was called Mirage) but I forgot almost all of it. It's a very specific program. Right now I would kill for MyPaint on Note 10.1. I'm considering porting it - but it uses Python which is not available on Android AFAIK.

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Because people think of Apple users as "artists" and Android users as geeks.
Anyway, tvpaint looks ridiculously complex!
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Its probably generally quite true, but as an artist AND a geek, I am happy with my wacom-powered device. So they need to start making apps for it!
Saying that, I had an email from the developer of the vector app I use, and he has finished his other project for now and is back to work on his next update for this app. So things are moving forward!

I was just about to bite the bullet, and spend the £5.50 for the TouchDraw app from the samsung store when I noticed.... It is only compatible with Jellybean 4.1+.
Which hasnt been released for my device yet, officially.
Lame.
Might be time to root.

nirurin said:
I was just about to bite the bullet, and spend the £5.50 for the TouchDraw app from the samsung store when I noticed.... It is only compatible with Jellybean 4.1+.
Which hasnt been released for my device yet, officially.
Lame.
Might be time to root.
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Flash CM10 and never look back. (Until Jellybean suite comes at least)

Jonphinguyen7 said:
Flash CM10 and never look back. (Until Jellybean suite comes at least)
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If i root and flash cm 10 how do i get all the samsung apps back on my tab?