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As batteries get older do they tend to run hotter? Or just make the phone hotter in general? I remember the phone running pretty cool in the beginning now it gets quite toasty from time to time.
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Do you use it more? Changed any CPU setting? I am also inclined to think that they would run hotter as they get older
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yes i think they run hotter and they hold less of a charge so you will see a decrease in battery life

evilcuber said:
yes i think they run hotter and they hold less of a charge so you will see a decrease in battery life
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this is true...sometimes mine gets so hot i cant even hold my phone...no joke

smokeuout said:
this is true...sometimes mine gets so hot i cant even hold my phone...no joke
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whats the temperature on your battery? are you overclocked?

smokeuout said:
this is true...sometimes mine gets so hot i cant even hold my phone...no joke
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Well thats not good whether your battery is brand new or a couple years old. Are you OC'd? If so, do you run temperature profiles? How long / hard do you use the phone before it gets that hot?

Any li-ion battery will eventually be useless over time. My phone has always run very hot when using gps(rooted with oc's and all that jazz or unrooted).
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Spastic909 said:
Any li-ion battery will eventually be useless over time. My phone has always run very hot when using gps(rooted with oc's and all that jazz or unrooted).
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Mine also gets hot when using gps

evilcuber said:
whats the temperature on your battery? are you overclocked?
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yeah im oc to 1305 an it really only happens when im playing a game and charging at the same time....but battery temp always stays in the green and batt health is good ive had it tested before

smokeuout said:
yeah im oc to 1305 an it really only happens when im playing a game and charging at the same time....but battery temp always stays in the green and batt health is good ive had it tested before
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well thats to be expected. remember the phones default clock speed is only 800mhz, so with that big overclock+gaming+charging you shouldn't be surprised to get a hot battery.

Never seen a g2 get hot to the touch myself. The battery warms when discharging heavily, but not hot. What's the point of overclocking past 1024mhz ?

ohgood said:
Never seen a g2 get hot to the touch myself. The battery warms when discharging heavily, but not hot. What's the point of overclocking past 1024mhz ?
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ive been oc at low levels and extremely high levels and i found a spot where it seems i get the best all around performance....each phone will vary but you should try oc to higher levels if u havnt yet...careful around 1497 though, my phone just gets weird

ohgood said:
Never seen a g2 get hot to the touch myself. The battery warms when discharging heavily, but not hot. What's the point of overclocking past 1024mhz ?
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Mine would get warm to the touch using it heavily on the charger and overclocking to 1.2ghz or so.
Not sure why you'd overclock past 1ghz. I've never seen my phone bog down with anything at 1ghz. Some like to do it though. The usual level for overclockers is probably 1.2ghz. I personally keep it at 806mhz...

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Mine would get warm to the touch using it heavily on the charger and overclocking to 1.2ghz or so.
Not sure why you'd overclock past 1ghz. I've never seen my phone bog down with anything at 1ghz. Some like to do it though. The usual level for overclockers is probably 1.2ghz. I personally keep it at 806mhz...
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so u dont see much of a increase in speed when oc above 1ghz...i think i might mess around with the numbers again just to make sure....thanks for the tip

smokeuout said:
so u dont see much of a increase in speed when oc above 1ghz...i think i might mess around with the numbers again just to make sure....thanks for the tip
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Well I'm sure if u run benchmarks you'll of course see better performance at higher clock speeds. I'm just expressing that in my uses, I've never seen any reason to clock past 1ghz, not to mention the increased battery drain of overclocking in most cases
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Somwletimes custom roms includes a different kernel that are already overclocked. Some people tend to missed this.
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Over clocking?

Never really overclocked my device. Looking into doing so but is it a risk? Do I need to set voltages if I want to overclock? In the long run with my processor seem to wear out?
Noob here.
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iAndropple said:
Never really overclocked my device. Looking into doing so but is it a risk? Do I need to set voltages if I want to overclock? In the long run with my processor seem to wear out?
Noob here.
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There will be risks and you have to constantly monitor your settings (i.e. watching the temperature, battery life), but generally overclocking (TO A LIMIT) is safe. There are a bunch of kernels out there already for the nexus 4 that have preconfigured OC/UV values. You can check them out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33746072&postcount=3
Personally, I don't see the need to OC the phone; it's already very powerful. Doing so would only decrease your battery life.

klvnhng knows what's up.
Heat is the killer of electronics. By introducing more, you risk issues either in the short or long term. And as he said, why? The phone is a beast.

Overclocking a krait is pointless, that's too much power that's going to be wasted heating up the already temperature sensitive device. Not only that but, the s4 chip is extremely fast you won't even a difference between the dual and quad versions.

Thanks guys decided to leave it as it is. Thanks for the key points. "THANKS" to you all
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Here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083904
[DER KERNEL] Trinity Four, read this thread, yes, there is benefits to overclocking. I've overclocked every device I've owned and NEVER caused a bit of damage.
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mustangtim49 said:
Here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083904
[DER KERNEL] Trinity Four, read this thread, yes, there is benefits to overclocking. I've overclocked every device I've owned and NEVER caused a bit of damage.
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How many of them had li-po batteries? Li-po batteries are more susceptible to heat damage than li-ion. Anything above 60°C is potentially harmful to them.

I've had this device 2 months and have run it o/c'ed to 1.8.. Ghz since day one with no issues and no huge increase in battery consumption. It doesn't always stay at that clock speed, it's an "on demand" thing.
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mustangtim49 said:
I've had this device 2 months and have run it o/c'ed to 1.8.. Ghz since day one with no issues and no huge increase in battery consumption. It doesn't always stay at that clock speed, it's an "on demand" thing.
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But what's the point of having it run at 1.8? No apps require that kind of power, and in the long run, you're only shortening your device's life.

mustangtim49 said:
I've had this device 2 months and have run it o/c'ed to 1.8.. Ghz since day one with no issues and no huge increase in battery consumption. It doesn't always stay at that clock speed, it's an "on demand" thing.
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I'm not talking about battery consumption. I'm talking about the longevity of the battery due to higher heat generated by higher clock speeds. If you're able to keep the temp below 60° by undervolting and careful use, then it's fine. I'm just offering a word of caution to whoever wants to O/C.

I guess it all comes down to preference, but, how about listening to neutron player while playing shadowgun
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mustangtim49 said:
I guess it all comes down to preference, but, how about listening to neutron player while playing shadowgun
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:thumbup:

mustangtim49 said:
I guess it all comes down to preference, but, how about listening to neutron player while playing shadowgun
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Touche.

mustangtim49 said:
I guess it all comes down to preference, but, how about listening to neutron player while playing shadowgun
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For the sake of your point, would you mind posting a screenie of your temp after 30 minutes of listening to neutron player while playing shadowgun?

[Q] Heating problem

it's getting hot within a 10-15 min. last day i have just take 2-3 picture of my friend from N4 and it feel hot in hand and same happened at home also is it normal with N4.

GS150R said:
it's getting hot within a 10-15 min. last day i have just take 2-3 picture of my friend from N4 and it feel hot in hand and same happened at home also is it normal with N4.
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You may use an app such as System Tuner to watch your CPU temperature. Mine get 50 celcius after 15minutes playing NFS MW... I dont know if it is still normal.

What version are you on? Mine used to be uncomfortably warm, but since 4.2.2, that has been fixed for me.
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GS150R said:
it's getting hot within a 10-15 min. last day i have just take 2-3 picture of my friend from N4 and it feel hot in hand and same happened at home also is it normal with N4.
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Hi,
It feels hot... its very subjective without a real measured CPU or battery temp. Like opticaldh said, install an app with monitoring CPU temp and see. What kernel ?
Also what is the battery temp?
opticaldh said:
You may use an app such as System Tuner to watch your CPU temperature. Mine get 50 celcius after 15minutes playing NFS MW... I dont know if it is still normal.
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Hi,
Normal with these kind of games... But without more informations, overclock, underclock, undervolt, what kernel?
In any case with such of but playing heavy game I don't see where is the problem.
You can also search in the Nexus 4 General and Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting sections there is another threads...

nhatters said:
What version are you on? Mine used to be uncomfortably warm, but since 4.2.2, that has been fixed for me.
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at first use it feel hot(over a wifi) at the top of the back panel then (with 4.2.2)i tried to connect it to my pc running win-xp but fail in between it behaves abnormal after some 2-3 restart it work pretty normal(now i am using Bluetooth to share data to pc) but still some lag in touch and heating problem.

viking37 said:
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It feels hot... its very subjective without a real measured CPU or battery temp. Like opticaldh said, install an app with monitoring CPU temp and see. What kernel ?
Also what is the battery temp?
Hi,
Normal with these kind of games... But without more informations, overclock, underclock, undervolt, what kernel?
In any case with such of but playing heavy game I don't see where is the problem.
You can also search in the Nexus 4 General and Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting sections there is another threads...
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at first use it feel hot(over a wifi) at the top of the back panel then (with 4.2.2)i tried to connect it to my pc running win-xp but fail in between it behaves abnormal after some 2-3 restart it work pretty normal(now i am using Bluetooth to share data to pc) but still some lag in touch and heating problem.

viking37 said:
Hi,
Normal with these kind of games... But without more informations, overclock, underclock, undervolt, what kernel?
In any case with such of but playing heavy game I don't see where is the problem.
You can also search in the Nexus 4 General and Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting sections there is another threads...
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I am on Franco kernel, fast CPU, UV 150 (Default for 384Hz is 850, now it is 700). That's what makes me worry.

My Nexus has been getting uncomfortably hot. I first noticed it last night after getting to a friends place and took the phone out. It was really hot and the battery had dropped about 20% for a 15 minute drive. I checked the battery and Google Maps was showing at the top with the most usage even though it wasn't enabled.
I then proceeded to check the settings in Maps and turned off all the location tracking stuff which was unfortunately enabled.
However, even today my phone was again quite warm after driving around. Battery didn't even show Google Maps so that wasn't the cause.
It may have something to do with signal issues always trying to get the strongest signal as it doesn't happen when I am at home and not moving around.

Maybe your friend is hot
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Please help me.how to overcome or reduce heating problem of nexus 4.

is this your first smartphone? they all get "hot"

Only way to really reduce heat without an impact on performance would be to undervolt. Another way would be to underclock. Both you need a custom kernel to do.

IINexusII said:
is this your first smartphone? they all get "hot"
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Yes! it is.

Detailed said:
Only way to really reduce heat without an impact on performance would be to undervolt. Another way would be to underclock. Both you need a custom kernel to do.
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Which kernel do you preferred.

GS150R said:
Yes! it is.
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well its normal then
@Detailed, @opticaldh, shutup and stop telling people to undervolt, youll just get them into more trouble.

Matrix kernel runs at 288 MHz when idling, you can under volt it at around 650ma there.
I am running Motley kernel, idling at 308 MHz, UV at 700 ma. The only time I notice my n4 getting hot is when I use GPS and charging simultaneously.
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i don't have a problem with heating on my Nexus 4, running latest franco kernel + uv settings makes it a lot cooler than before, when i don't use uv settings it heats up too pretty fast but with those settings it even stays cool on benchmarks and stability tests, cause i don't play on my Nexus 4, could try that out too to see if it gets hot. well it gets slightly warm but never "hot" i would never call it that.

IINexusII said:
well its normal then
@Detailed, @opticaldh, shutup and stop telling people to undervolt, youll just get them into more trouble.
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OK.thanks for your help.

jamesc760 said:
Matrix kernel runs at 288 MHz when idling, you can under volt it at around 650ma there.
I am running Motley kernel, idling at 308 MHz, UV at 700 ma. The only time I notice my n4 getting hot is when I use GPS and charging simultaneously.
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OK . I am try this.

Ƶero said:
i don't have a problem with heating on my Nexus 4, running latest franco kernel + uv settings makes it a lot cooler than before, when i don't use uv settings it heats up too pretty fast but with those settings it even stays cool on benchmarks and stability tests, cause i don't play on my Nexus 4, could try that out too to see if it gets hot. well it gets slightly warm but never "hot" i would never call it that.
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OK. I am try this.

N4 and gaming temperatutes

Hi all I have spent same time in last days playing Real Racing 3. Very nice game.
While playing the temperature of my N4 became very high. It's a 1.5 quadcore with GPU working hard so it should be normal. But I saw, in system tuner, that while gaming it can reach even 70 Celsius. Is it normal this temperature in gaming or should I be worried?
What about your temperature in gaming?
PS: for the battery this game can drain all the battery in less than 2 hours, but even this should be normal because without gaming it usually reach 4 hours screen on, so 2 hours of hard gaming should be normal.
Let me know.
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Michelechele said:
But I saw, in system tuner, that while gaming it can reach even 70 Celsius. Is it normal this temperature in gaming or should I be worried?
What about your temperature in gaming?
Let me know.
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mine gets 49celcius after 20mins of NFS MW Used to get 58celcius after 1 hours. But sometimes I feel it's normal after 20min of NFS, maybe it depends on the stage I am playing

R: N4 and gaming temperatutes
Damn compared to your temperature mine are extremely high. What rom and kernel do you use? And what is your CPU bin? I have cyanogenmod M2, stock cyano kernel and fast CPU.
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completely normal

Michelechele said:
Damn compared to your temperature mine are extremely high. What rom and kernel do you use? And what is your CPU bin? I have cyanogenmod M2, stock cyano kernel and fast CPU.
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I think your temp is normal.
I use stock rom, franco kernel, UV 150, fast CPU bin.

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Ok maybe common but IMO this temperatures are pretty high. I just hope to not damage my device to play sometime. Heat is the worst enemy of electronic components.
And for this I like UV a bit but I don't know if CyanogenMod kernel makes different voltages according to different CPU binning.
I hope so.
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What are the safe operating temps? I tried real racing 3 as the first game I tired on the N4 and as soon as it heated up I uninstalled it in fear of burning my device up.
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phew! good to know that I'm not the only one with this heat up problem but I guess its not a problem
Got my n4 just yesterday and immediately started downloading Hd intense games
and because of all the playing I have to charge my phone twice a day now...

ive seen 100C cpu temp on my device, then again i was trying to reach it. i wouldnt worrry too much about the heat. if your device gets warm enough then the heat throttle will automatically kick in. itll reduce your cpu speed and cool down the device. if you keep pushing your device past the thermal throttle, itll eventually hit the automatic thermal safety shutdown temp, which will automatically turn off your device to cool it down.

R: N4 and gaming temperatutes
Good to know that I'm not the only one with this temperatures... In first moment I thought of down clocking GPU and CPU... But damn it's not possible to have a mobile with quad core and powerful GPU that can't handle the heat. So I hope they managed it well and get used to a burning phone while gaming.
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simms22 said:
ive seen 100C cpu temp on my device, then again i was trying to reach it. i wouldnt worrry too much about the heat. if your device gets warm enough then the heat throttle will automatically kick in. itll reduce your cpu speed and cool down the device. if you keep pushing your device past the thermal throttle, itll eventually hit the automatic thermal safety shutdown temp, which will automatically turn off your device to cool it down.
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100°C? No way. Your phone would've melted
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What are the safe operating temps? I tried real racing 3 as the first game I tired on the N4 and as soon as it heated up I uninstalled it in fear of burning my device up.
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Generally, you should not let your phone temperature get greater than 50°C. Otherwise, you risk permanently heat-damaging the battery.
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klvnhng said:
100°C? No way. Your phone would've melted
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Generally, you should not let your phone temperature get greater than 50°C. Otherwise, you risk permanently heat-damaging the battery.
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100C is the safety shutdown temp for the nexus 4, your phone wont melt at that temp. my gnex has hit 110C many many times, thats the shut down temp for the gnex.
you have to realize that there are two different temp readings, cpu temp and battery temp. while your battery reaching 50C isnt safe, 50C for the cpu is still relatively cool, and does not put your phone into danger.

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100C is the safety shutdown temp for the nexus 4, your phone wont melt at that temp. my gnex has hit 110C many many times, thats the shut down temp for the gnex.
you have to realize that there are two different temp readings, cpu temp and battery temp. while your battery reaching 50C isnt safe, 50C for the cpu is still relatively cool, and does not put your phone into danger.
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Ah, that's what you meant. I thought you meant 100C battery temperature :silly:

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Ah, that's what you meant. I thought you meant 100C battery temperature :silly:
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100C battery temp and the battery would probably explode and leak battery acid all over my hands :angel:

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100C battery temp and the battery would probably explode and leak battery acid all over my hands :angel:
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Hence my "Your phone would've melted" XD

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Hence my "Your phone would've melted" XD
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"ive seen 100C cpu temp on my device" This is what sims22 says. I have no idea why you would think "100C cpu temp" is "100C battery."

Nexus 4 overheating

I just recently got my nexus 4 and I love it there is only one gripe I have which is the CPU temperature ... I ran various tests using stability control test and just gaming . I ran stability test for 30 minutes and got the following results ( below in pictures ) .When I game for an hour it hits 48-52 C . Is this normal ? Will it affect my CPU in anyway ?
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The heat causes thermal throttling. That will reduce performance. Undervolting helps with this a lot.

dia_naji said:
I just recently got my nexus 4 and I love it there is only one gripe I have which is the CPU temperature ... I ran various tests using stability control test and just gaming . I ran stability test for 30 minutes and got the following results ( below in pictures ) .When I game for an hour it hits 48-52 C . Is this normal ? Will it affect my CPU in anyway ?
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theres nothing wrong there, its all normal.

I don't think those temperatures mean overheating. It is indeed quite warm. It is exceptionally warm but not hot to the touch that you can't handle it.
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So is there a fix for this ?

Where are all my computer nerds to stop all these rediculous overheating threads? 40*C in COLD for a processor. 60C is fine. It'll throttle it if it gets too hot. Come back when you hit 90C. Not trying to be mean but jeez, someone needs to open up their computer and feel how how your processor or GPU heat sink is just at idle, you'd get second degree burns touching the heatsink at full load. Its normal for processors to get hot... to a point.

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Where are all my computer nerds to stop all these rediculous overheating threads? 40*C in COLD for a processor. 60C is fine. It'll throttle it if it gets too hot. Come back when you hit 90C. Not trying to be mean but jeez, someone needs to open up their computer and feel how how your processor or GPU heat sink is just at idle, you'd get second degree burns touching the heatsink at full load. Its normal for processors to get hot... to a point.
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The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major

dia_naji said:
The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major
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Well for one thing they both run relativity warm.
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dia_naji said:
The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major
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i hit a 100C(cpu temp) a few times, and got the safety shutdown. youll be ok.

I tried that... Now my nexus 4 won't turn on
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dia_naji said:
I tried that... Now my nexus 4 won't turn on
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RMA it. Don't forget to flash it back to stock first.
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What you see in System tuner is the CPU temp and the temperature you see in stability test is the battery temp. Those temperatures are completely fine and actually really cool for this device. Now if the battery reaches 48-52 Degrees C now we have a problem. I suggest using a custom kernel and ROM to allow some undervolting for none to less throttling so your performance will not be impacted. Should give Trinity kernel a try, latest ones are USUALLY in simm's G+ page or go to the Trinity kernel thread and download it from the website. Hope I helped

Ohh no the battery's max was 40 only the CPU hits 48-52 , for me its not a problem. I just wanted to know if it was safe to continue to game.
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