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Safe Undervolting

Hi, I've lowered all the figures by 100mv, but I notice no difference in my battery life. Is it safe to lower the figures more?
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Define what you mean by "safe".
Higher core voltages are used at higher clock rates in order to preserve logic margin in the face of more power supply noise and tighter timing. So, undervolting by definition means you are giving up margin.
Whether your SoC happens to have a worst-case timing path which is "fast" or "slow" relative to other devices cannot be deduced by anyone here on XDA or even at Nvidia. About the best you can hope for is some "feel good reports" about what others do with undervolting and completely undisciplined "testing". But even that provides no information about your individual chip.
good luck

Thanks for your reply. By "safe" I mean without damaging my device. And yes, it would be interesting to hear some undervolting stories. I'd quite like to extend my battery life. Cheers!
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I've been using my nexus 7 runing a AOKP pub build by mrRobinson and franco's r47 kernel. i've undervolted the entire board by 100mv it is runing pretty solid without any noticible lag or instability. Yet every chip is diferent and can or cannot this margin you'll have to test for your self. Just leave the option 'set on boot' unticked untill your sure that your device is capable of using those kind of voltages. And don't use very large steps. Just like overclocking in fact! Try it - it runs - get a little bit lower. If it crashes you shoukd be able to reboot the nexus and the settings you've changed reseted
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antmasi said:
I've been using my nexus 7 runing a AOKP pub build by mrRobinson and franco's r47 kernel. i've undervolted the entire board by 100mv it is runing pretty solid without any noticible lag or instability. Yet every chip is diferent and can or cannot this margin you'll have to test for your self. Just leave the option 'set on boot' unticked untill your sure that your device is capable of using those kind of voltages. And don't use very large steps. Just like overclocking in fact! Try it - it runs - get a little bit lower. If it crashes you shoukd be able to reboot the nexus and the settings you've changed reseted
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Thanks! Have you noticed any improvement in battery life?
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Been testing for 2 days now! Battery seems a little bit better yet maybe placebo! But i feel it does not get has hot as runing stock voltages! It was the main reason i did the undervolt!
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antmasi said:
Been testing for 2 days now! Battery seems a little bit better yet maybe placebo! But i feel it does not get has hot as runing stock voltages! It was the main reason i did the undervolt!
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For what i've read that's the truth but if the frequencies set for the soc are getting less power shoudn't it draw less power from battery? 100mv its almost 10% of the stock voltages!
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antmasi said:
For what i've read that's the truth but if the frequencies set for the soc are getting less power shoudn't it draw less power from battery? 100mv its almost 10% of the stock voltages!
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For the SoC, whether it's leakage (V^2/R) or dynamic power dissipation (f*C*V^2), yes, you might expect let's say (0.9^2) = 81% battery use at the same operating frequencies.
OTOH, if 75% of the power drain normally is used by the LCD backlight (for instance in a "reading web pages" use case), then reducing the supply voltage will get you only 1/4 of that 20% savings - about a 5% improvement - because the power is being dissipated elsewhere. (Display, DRAM, 3G radio, WiFi radio, etc)

I agree with what you've pointed! In fact i've just taken out the undervolt because Inhad a reboot under heavy multitasking (torrent download, xbmc opened, chrome also downloading a smal file) i'm not certain that it was caused by the uv but it's possible. The Nexus started to lag and then froze completly! From time to tima i've the need of heavy multitask and it wasn't up to the task!
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Nexus 4 overheating

I just recently got my nexus 4 and I love it there is only one gripe I have which is the CPU temperature ... I ran various tests using stability control test and just gaming . I ran stability test for 30 minutes and got the following results ( below in pictures ) .When I game for an hour it hits 48-52 C . Is this normal ? Will it affect my CPU in anyway ?
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The heat causes thermal throttling. That will reduce performance. Undervolting helps with this a lot.

dia_naji said:
I just recently got my nexus 4 and I love it there is only one gripe I have which is the CPU temperature ... I ran various tests using stability control test and just gaming . I ran stability test for 30 minutes and got the following results ( below in pictures ) .When I game for an hour it hits 48-52 C . Is this normal ? Will it affect my CPU in anyway ?
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theres nothing wrong there, its all normal.

I don't think those temperatures mean overheating. It is indeed quite warm. It is exceptionally warm but not hot to the touch that you can't handle it.
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So is there a fix for this ?

Where are all my computer nerds to stop all these rediculous overheating threads? 40*C in COLD for a processor. 60C is fine. It'll throttle it if it gets too hot. Come back when you hit 90C. Not trying to be mean but jeez, someone needs to open up their computer and feel how how your processor or GPU heat sink is just at idle, you'd get second degree burns touching the heatsink at full load. Its normal for processors to get hot... to a point.

username8611 said:
Where are all my computer nerds to stop all these rediculous overheating threads? 40*C in COLD for a processor. 60C is fine. It'll throttle it if it gets too hot. Come back when you hit 90C. Not trying to be mean but jeez, someone needs to open up their computer and feel how how your processor or GPU heat sink is just at idle, you'd get second degree burns touching the heatsink at full load. Its normal for processors to get hot... to a point.
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The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major

dia_naji said:
The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major
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Well for one thing they both run relativity warm.
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dia_naji said:
The only reason why I asked this question is because I am still new to this device, but you can't really compare a desktop cpu or gpu to a smartphones cpu/gpu.there two distinctive hardware. PS, I work with computers and a computer science major
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i hit a 100C(cpu temp) a few times, and got the safety shutdown. youll be ok.

I tried that... Now my nexus 4 won't turn on
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dia_naji said:
I tried that... Now my nexus 4 won't turn on
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RMA it. Don't forget to flash it back to stock first.
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What you see in System tuner is the CPU temp and the temperature you see in stability test is the battery temp. Those temperatures are completely fine and actually really cool for this device. Now if the battery reaches 48-52 Degrees C now we have a problem. I suggest using a custom kernel and ROM to allow some undervolting for none to less throttling so your performance will not be impacted. Should give Trinity kernel a try, latest ones are USUALLY in simm's G+ page or go to the Trinity kernel thread and download it from the website. Hope I helped

Ohh no the battery's max was 40 only the CPU hits 48-52 , for me its not a problem. I just wanted to know if it was safe to continue to game.
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Overclocking

Hey guys, just wondering what the maximum frequency our Snapdragon S4 Pro CPU's can handle??
Thanks peoples lol
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What's the point in over clocking on the n4? Are the improvements actually noticeable for anything besides bench testing? Meaning is it noticeable when doing day to day activities? The reason i ask is because my phone has handled everything I've thrown at it with no issues so far.....just curious I guess
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speedyjay said:
Hey guys, just wondering what the maximum frequency our Snapdragon S4 Pro CPU's can handle??
Thanks peoples lol
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I see absolutely no point in over clocking this device, even under clocking the nexus 4 you get plenty of power.

speedyjay said:
Hey guys, just wondering what the maximum frequency our Snapdragon S4 Pro CPU's can handle??
Thanks peoples lol
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If you use trinity kernel, you will be able to oC to 1.8Ghz. It used to be able to OCable to 1.9 but I think there were substantial issues with that level. Overclocking will ruin the CPU life span. Overclocking is more suitable for computers. This phone is really quick and smooth out of box. Overclocking it is redundant.
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Does anybody here even understand what overclocking is?

Why oh why do people feel the need to overclock a Quad core device with 2 gigs of RAM.

ScumDroid said:
Why oh why do people feel the need to overclock a Quad core device with 2 gigs of RAM.
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Good question but, to answer the OP 1.94GHz is the max. More may be possible however, no one is foolish enough to risk 2Ghz+.

Okay let's set this straight:
More Overclock --> Faster speed --> Lower stability
Increasing Voltage --> More stability --> Higher temperature --> Dangerous
To be able to achieve a higher clock speed, you need to have a higher CPU voltage in order for it to be stable. If you don't increase the voltage, the CPU will churn out corrupted data, and in the worse case files will become corrupted as they are written into memory. But it WON'T damage your hardware. However, because you are increasing the voltage, you get more heat, which can damage your hardware. So it's actually the overvolting bit that is dangerous, not the overclocking.
As for maximum clockspeed, you might find this article interesting:
"Theoretically, your upper limit would be due to the propagation delay in sending electrons from one point to another, which would be the speed of electricity. Electricity travels close to the speed of light and light travels a foot in a femtosecond (10E-15 s) so the top speed is somewhere in the 10E22-10E23 Hz range. However, this limit will never be reached as this assumes no capacitance and no resistance in the wire."
- Source: Mu_Engineer (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/250325-28-limit-clock-speed) -
1 GHz is 10E9 Hz, which is nowhere close to 10E22. Even taking into account the resistance of the circuitry, 10E9 is still very low. So 1.94 GHz is simply the maximum STABLE clockspeed you can normally achieve on a Nexus 4. In addition, developers might impose arbitary limitations on how much you can overclock your CPU, but that's just a software limitation.
In conclusion, the answer will depend on which of the following questions you actually want answered:
1) What is the highest stable clockspeed the XDA community has managed to achieve without external aid (i.e. liquid N2)?
2) What is the highest clockspeed allowed by currently available kernels?
3) What is the physical clockspeed limit of the Snapdragon S4 Pro assuming external aids are allowed? (E.g. connecting your CPU to a higher voltage source directly while keeping it cooled with liquid helium. Even then it would probably only lasts for a few seconds.)

snapper.fishes said:
Okay let's set this straight:
More Overclock --> Faster speed --> Lower stability
Increasing Voltage --> More stability --> Higher temperature --> Dangerous
To be able to achieve a higher clock speed, you need to have a higher CPU voltage in order for it to be stable. If you don't increase the voltage, the CPU will churn out corrupted data, and in the worse case files will become corrupted as they are written into memory. But it WON'T damage your hardware. However, because you are increasing the voltage, you get more heat, which can damage your hardware. So it's actually the overvolting bit that is dangerous, not the overclocking.
As for maximum clockspeed, you might find this article interesting:
"Theoretically, your upper limit would be due to the propagation delay in sending electrons from one point to another, which would be the speed of electricity. Electricity travels close to the speed of light and light travels a foot in a femtosecond (10E-15 s) so the top speed is somewhere in the 10E22-10E23 Hz range. However, this limit will never be reached as this assumes no capacitance and no resistance in the wire."
- Source: Mu_Engineer (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/250325-28-limit-clock-speed) -
1 GHz is 10E9 Hz, which is nowhere close to 10E22. Even taking into account the resistance of the circuitry, 10E9 is still very low. So 1.94 GHz is simply the maximum STABLE clockspeed you can normally achieve on a Nexus 4. In addition, developers might impose arbitary limitations on how much you can overclock your CPU, but that's just a software limitation.
In conclusion, the answer will depend on which of the following questions you actually want answered:
1) What is the highest stable clockspeed the XDA community has managed to achieve without external aid (i.e. liquid N2)?
2) What is the highest clockspeed allowed by currently available kernels?
3) What is the physical clockspeed limit of the Snapdragon S4 Pro assuming external aids are allowed? (E.g. connecting your CPU to a higher voltage source directly while keeping it cooled with liquid helium. Even then it would probably only lasts for a few seconds.)
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Why don`t you overclock it yourself and post your findings here, overclocking the N4 is useless imo and only nice for those kicking on benchmarks.

gee2012 said:
Why don`t you overclock it yourself and post your findings here, overclocking the N4 is useless imo and only nice for those kicking on benchmarks.
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I won't because at the moment I fail to see any reason why anyone would need to OC their Nexus 4. So yes I am agreeing with you.
However, OP asked for the highest clockspeed, not for opinions on whether OC is useful. Saying that OC is useless in response to his question is similar to telling someone that they should eat at Burger King instead when they ask you for directions to MacDonald's. It doesn't make your statement any less true, but you are not answering his question.

With some Kernel like Faux you can OC up 1.94Ghz (Turbo Boost Ultimate) but not all CPU hold this frequency.
I think 1.83Ghz (Turbo Boost Mainline) is more reasonable.
Both Kernel just mentioned also OC GPU to 487Mhz.
Personally i don't Think we need to OC our Nexus 4, I've never seen a phone so fast
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Thanks for all the responses, I agree with all answers given....the N4 doesn't need anymore Nos lol I was just curious thanks again guys and girls (if any) lol
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Yep I OC like crazy and love it. I use faux @ 1.9 UV -125 across the board, fast cpu bin:good: no problems or issues to cry about...

yyz71 said:
Yep I OC like crazy and love it. I use faux @ 1.9 UV -125 across the board, fast cpu bin:good: no problems or issues to cry about...
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Your CPU is not going to have a long life. You're wearing it down dude.
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scream4cheese said:
Your CPU is not going to have a long life. You're wearing it down dude.
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It will have a long life more then the length he'll keep the device.
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Nexus 4 thermal throttling fix

The nexus 4 is definitely a great phone for a low price.But people are not buying this phone because of this THERMAL THROTTLING.so,people listen nexus 4 even runs smooth with thermal throttling going on.so, this fix is for people who just dont want thermal throttling.Before we start,this fix requires ROOT and a custom recovery.And a custom kernel needs to be flashed.so if you do any damage to your phone by doing this,I'm NOT RESPONSIBLE.
So first download the faux kernel for nexus 4(codename mako. if you see mako on faux website its for nexus 4) from here: Faux's website which i cannot post because im new to XDA. you can find it by googling for faux kernel website.I recommend the TBM kernels such as mako-jb-kernel 016 tbm which lets you overclock CPU to 1.83 Ghz.But theres also TBU kernels which support overclocking to 1.94 GHz.
Step 1 now download a faux kernel of your choice.
Step 2 paste the kernel to your mobile
Step 3 Boot into recovery mode
Step 4 Wipe cache
Step 5 Wipe dalvik cache
Step 6 Install .zip kernel
Step 7 Reboot your phone
Step 8 Now you have to buy the faux123 kernel enhancement program from play store(this app is from faux and this has intelli-thermal built in it)
Have fun.the faux app lets you select CPU frequencies also

What.
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With his enhancement app yes you can control throttling but the problem is that because the phones CPU is getting way too hot, so increasing the throttle threshold or limit basically makes it so when your gaming, it makes things smoother however your CPU is burning faster.
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what is qualcomm's default throttling temperatures?

notbrodie said:
what is qualcomm's default throttling temperatures?
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it throttles to 1.3 or sometimes to 1.2 ghz when temp is 37C and to 1.1 ghz when temp is 39C

XxLostSoulxX said:
With his enhancement app yes you can control throttling but the problem is that because the phones CPU is getting way too hot, so increasing the throttle threshold or limit basically makes it so when your gaming, it makes things smoother however your CPU is burning faster.
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No it has a thermal manager which controls the heat.if it heats up it automatically turns off 1 or 2 cores so that means 2 cores wil still run normally but the other 2 cores will shutdown.
Understood??

NexusMobileGamer said:
No it has a thermal manager which controls the heat.if it heats up it automatically turns off 1 or 2 cores so that means 2 cores wil still run normally but the other 2 cores will shutdown.
Understood??
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No **** why do you think it's turning off the cores? Because it's getting to hot
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meh.. you have root? disable throttling then, both battery and cpu throttle, then go on enjoying your device.

simms22 said:
meh.. you have root? disable throttling then, both battery and cpu throttle, then go on enjoying your device.
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Meh then have a fried CPU over time itll kill it from getting way to damn hot.
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XxLostSoulxX said:
Meh then have a fried CPU over time itll kill it from getting way to damn hot.
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i always turn off throttling, on every device i own(ed). they all live long lives, and are the best performers around(for their model). they never ever got damaged because of it, and im an extrely heavy user. my n4 has had all throttling disabled since jan 14th, and its still going strong. the difference is that i never complain that my phone turns down cpu speed, or does my phones performance get slowed down.

Just so you know
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i always turn off throttling, on every device i own(ed). they all live long lives, and are the best performers around(for their model). they never ever got damaged because of it, and im an extrely heavy user. my n4 has had all throttling disabled since jan 14th, and its still going strong. the difference is that i never complain that my phone turns down cpu speed, or does my phones performance get slowed down.
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I agree with you.And who dont agree with me,just know that your CPU will not be burned.Cause Fauxclock has a thermal manager of its own named intelli thermal.

NexusMobileGamer said:
I agree with you.And who dont agree with me,just know that your CPU will not be burned.Cause Fauxclock has a thermal manager of its own named intelli thermal.
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Yes, but if you disable it to have maximum performance clearly you're not throwing s*** , which in turn in the long run may burn your CPU
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XxLostSoulxX said:
Yes, but if you disable it to have maximum performance clearly you're not throwing s*** , which in turn in the long run may burn your CPU
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The nexus 4 throttling is caused by the battery reaching a certain temperature not the CPU. It's poor design/cooling system causes heat to build up which raises the temperature of the battery. Once it reaches a low 37 degrees the cpu/gpu are downclocked even if they are well within their limits.

spix123 said:
The nexus 4 throttling is caused by the battery reaching a certain temperature not the CPU. It's poor design/cooling system causes heat to build up which raises the temperature of the battery. Once it reaches a low 37 degrees the cpu/gpu are downclocked even if they are well within their limits.
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the n4 has a battery temp throttle AND a cpu temp throttle.
i generally disable both the battery and cpu temp throttles, but leave both safety temps as is. for those that say "oh, the extra heat will eventually ruin the phone".. the temp doesnt get any hotter than it does when you normally use your phone, the difference is that you dont get throttled. and even if there was extra heat because of, im not planning on having my phone for the amount of time that the extra heat will take to ruin the phone(years).

Nexus 6P only uses A53 cores?? Too low benchmarks

As above.
Daily use is very good, everything is responsive and fast.
However, benchmarks are roughly 50-70% of what they are supposed to be.
I tried to post a screenshot of CPU Spy, previously reseted timers and then ran BasemarkOS and Geekbench. (can't because less of 10 posts )
I see in CPU Spy that Max CPU state is 1555 Mhz? That's the A53 cores, right?
Is this behaviour normal?

Are you on Android N?
Please see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/4-cores-allways-stopped-whats-t3390543

rev_b said:
As above.
Daily use is very good, everything is responsive and fast.
However, benchmarks are roughly 50-70% of what they are supposed to be.
I tried to post a screenshot of CPU Spy, previously reseted timers and then ran BasemarkOS and Geekbench. (can't because less of 10 posts )
I see in CPU Spy that Max CPU state is 1555 Mhz? That's the A53 cores, right?
Is this behaviour normal?
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According to the Play Store, CPU Spy hasn't been updated in 3 or 5 years. Are you using an app that supports HMP?
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joemacjr said:
Are you on Android N?
Please see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/4-cores-allways-stopped-whats-t3390543
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No, the device is new, it's running Android 6.0.1, no mods or custom ROM whatsoever.

SlimSnoopOS said:
According to the Play Store, CPU Spy hasn't been updated in 3 or 5 years. Are you using an app that supports HMP?
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So what is the best app to monitor cpu activity?
And why are my benchmarks so low?

For instance, I'm only getting ~25k in 3dmark Ice Storm Unlimited, roughly the same as my previous Nexus 6.
According to Anandtech I should be getting ~36k.

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So what is the best app to monitor cpu activity?
And why are my benchmarks so low?
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Kernel Adiutor is a free kernel manager. I prefer using ElementalX Kernel Manager (paid app). Both work perfectly fine on Marshmallow, support HMP, and receive frequent updates.
If the phone is hot, then benchmarks will suffer. The big cluster gets throttled and goes offline whenever the temperature reaches a certain point. If it is running cool and you see low scores then idk cuz I don't do benchmarks.
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If the phone is responsive and fast as you say why do benchmarks scores matter? Benchmarks are pointless, they give you a pretty useless set of numbers that don't equate to real world usage. If your real world usage is good (as you pointed out) then you're wasting time and energy worrying about something that doesn't matter.

Heisenberg said:
If the phone is responsive and fast as you say why do benchmarks scores matter? Benchmarks are pointless, they give you a pretty useless set of numbers that don't equate to real world usage. If your real world usage is good (as you pointed out) then you're wasting time and energy worrying about something that doesn't matter.
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I don't care about benchmarks, but they can point to a problem in your phone.
And I really would like to know how a phone sent to hardware testers consistently gets much higher benchmarks than the one I bought. Something's not right.

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I don't care about benchmarks, but they can point to a problem in your phone.
And I really would like to know how a phone sent to hardware testers consistently gets much higher benchmarks than the one I bought. Something's not right.
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I've had eight of these and none of them have performed well in benchmarks. Take from that what you will but I believe it's a problem that's common to the SD810, not necessarily that you have a defective unit.

rev_b said:
As above.
Daily use is very good, everything is responsive and fast.
However, benchmarks are roughly 50-70% of what they are supposed to be.
I tried to post a screenshot of CPU Spy, previously reseted timers and then ran BasemarkOS and Geekbench. (can't because less of 10 posts )
I see in CPU Spy that Max CPU state is 1555 Mhz? That's the A53 cores, right?
Is this behaviour normal?
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The phone is thermal throttling because the 810 Is overheating and the cores are being turned off. You can thank Qualcomm for their faulty overheating 810 design.

Batfink33 said:
The phone is thermal throttling because the 810 Is overheating and the cores are being turned off. You can thank Qualcomm for their faulty overheating 810 design.
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That still doesn't explain why phones sent to reviewers don't throttle so much...

sam here
I barely get my Bigger Cluster working
It's offline most of the time
I don;t mind the heat unless it doesn't damage my phone as I;m always using a cover
Any way I can change the throttle limits so that it throttles less?
will the CTT mod be good?

TJ_bab said:
sam here
I barely get my Bigger Cluster working
It's offline most of the time
I don;t mind the heat unless it doesn't damage my phone as I;m always using a cover
Any way I can change the throttle limits so that it throttles less?
will the CTT mod be good?
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Ctt mod does exactly that.

feis said:
Ctt mod does exactly that.
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Using CTT mod but still my Bigger cluster barely turns on
and also kernel Adiutor doesn't work sometimes, whenever I try to change something CPU related, it just keeps loading and loading