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I see on this custom mods you have OC version so can someone tell me how much is it safe, because if you OC a PC you get higher temperatures and I never OC a mobile phone. I currently have Samsung Galaxy 3. THX
Well. I think phone won't warm up if you set higher core speed but if you set higher voltage it can be a little warmer...
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pante5 said:
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I see on this custom mods you have OC version so can someone tell me how much is it safe, because if you OC a PC you get higher temperatures and I never OC a mobile phone. I currently have Samsung Galaxy 3. THX
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I've used apocalypse and kyrillos oc custom rom....the phone does warm up....but you can control temp by reducing the frequency using setcpu or such....
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ok thx guys
I recently flashed the newest Trinity Kernel on my Nexus 7. I still have the stock ROM. I tried to tweak the CPU settings with ROM Toolbox and the most I can overclock is 1400mhz. Why can't I overclock to 1600? Is it because of the stock ROM? I'm looking into Glazed Jelly Bean as a custom ROM but I'm not sure I want or need to use a custom ROM at this point.
Any suggestions?
Because he dropped the Max. You probably flashed A111 correct? That's a TSVZ meaning it is slightly over clocked and undervolted kernel meant for battery not for performance.
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U2Bono269 said:
I recently flashed the newest Trinity Kernel on my Nexus 7. I still have the stock ROM. I tried to tweak the CPU settings with ROM Toolbox and the most I can overclock is 1400mhz. Why can't I overclock to 1600? Is it because of the stock ROM? I'm looking into Glazed Jelly Bean as a custom ROM but I'm not sure I want or need to use a custom ROM at this point.
Any suggestions?
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try a96, its one of my faves. it has a max of 1700mhz http://goo.gl/mLUCZ
Mildly on topic question ... do you notice any imporvments with overclocking? My first experience with overclocking as on my Hero, and then Galaxy S1, but this N7 just feels so fast i cant see overclocking making it any smoother? lol
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Mildly on topic question ... do you notice any imporvments with overclocking? My first experience with overclocking as on my Hero, and then Galaxy S1, but this N7 just feels so fast i cant see overclocking making it any smoother? lol
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yes. its noticeable, but not like on the older devices.
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yes. its noticeable, but not like on the older devices.
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Nice, ill have to look into rooting sometime soon.
Ok, I got the a96 and I've flashed it...
Is there a detailed changelog for each version? The a111 said it was a 1600mhz kernel so I don't understand why it was dropped down to 1400. That's where my confusion was.
I did notice some increase in speed at 1400. I was having some stuttering issues with Dead Trigger and Minecraft PE, and they were less with the 1400. I've got it running at 1600 now but I don't know what it will do to the battery or how well it will perform. I'll find out later. I've run through the battery pretty quickly today, but I was tinkering with it A LOT so it's not accurate.
What kind of tweaks could I do using Rom Toolbox that would help me maximize my battery while overclocking to 1.6?
Dont over clock.. i dont even see a need to. I use the ondemand gov which stutters a little but using interactive clears that up. Also using the CFQ IO as it is the stock IO used. Its stock so its gotta be good . Also you should turn F-Sync off that helps quite a bit. Also you could toggle auto hotplug and make it only run two cores while gaming and then turn it back on when finished so that way it will hotplug cores as it sees necessary. You could also up the voltages a little bit, some CPU's dont like the lower voltage and that will cause stuttering and glitching just up them by 25mV and see if it clears if not try another 25mV.
I will try those things, but I really want to play with overclocking and learn what happens. This is my first Android device so I'm experimenting and playing around.
But I have one more question...I've overclocked to 1.5...I found 1.6 to be the same as 1.5. But it seems that after an hour or so, it resets to 1.3. in ROMToolbox. Why is this?
Don't use rom toolbox. Use the Trinity app. It sticks just fine for me. Besides you support the dev to make better kernels.
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simms22 said:
try a96, its one of my faves. it has a max of 1700mhz http://goo.gl/mLUCZ
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i **** my pants a little when it says "system succesfully corrupted, please freak out now"
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i **** my pants a little when it says "system succesfully corrupted, please freak out now"
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Lol its a joke... its the updater-script you can make it say anything... :laugh:
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i **** my pants a little when it says "system succesfully corrupted, please freak out now"
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ha!
youre not the first
Overclocking past 1.4 Ghz doesn't result in any major usability improvements. I've gone up to 1.7 Ghz and the only thing it does is make my tablet really warm and unstable. All you really need for improving system performance is I/O tweaks to speed up app and page loading, and a little bit of GPU overclocking to help with the transitional effects.
and, to be honest, depending which trinity kernel im using, im using either 1100 or 1150mhz mostly. on a111 im using 1100mhz and on a96 i used 1150mhz. with those speeds everything is still fast but a bit better on battery
Overclocking
If you want a little more information about the the overclocking if you havent already you might want to check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1788759 its the official thread of the trinity kernel for grouper.
Hi, how can i overclock my tf300t (Clean rom 2.5 oveclock 1.6ghz) to 2.0 Ghz? i read something in the forum but there isn't any kind of guide, i want know if the tablet is stable with this frequency, and if i risk something.
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Hi, how can i overclock my tf300t (Clean rom 2.5 oveclock 1.6ghz) to 2.0 Ghz? i read something in the forum but there isn't any kind of guide, i want know if the tablet is stable with this frequency, and if i risk something.
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Why would you need to overclock so high? Do you want it to explode! xD
Seriously though, would probably advise against it. It's like a whole 700/800 MHz higher than it's meant to run at stock. I'd say it would be very unstable, and probably wouldn't get very far battery-life-wise. 1.6GHz really not enough :/
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Why would you need to overclock so high? Do you want it to explode! xD
Seriously though, would probably advise against it. It's like a whole 700/800 MHz higher than it's meant to run at stock. I'd say it would be very unstable, and probably wouldn't get very far battery-life-wise. 1.6GHz really not enough :/
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1.6ghz is ok? or i'll risk something?
I did that speed already. But it is very very unstable. random reboots within 10 minutes of use. also the battery life is very low. and the whole tablet is to hot.
i only was using it to see how fast it could go. that was the max. i am at Cutom Rom - 07/10/2012 - [email protected] Edition V02 - The Ultra Fast Rom - based on last Asus Firmware 10.4.2.13 at this moment.
this is very stable. balanced speed is 1.3 and thats oke. Normal performance speed is 1.6 but i only use that when playing games. You dont need those high speeds for daily use.
If you have the financial means to buy a new tablet - you can try all the time to work on this frequency.
With 1,6ghz i'll risk to break the tablet?
i used 2.0ghz about a week daily use. But now im lowered it to 1.8ghz and it is stable my everyday use. and battery lenght is very good maybe better than stock (i made undervoltage, so cpu uses -50mv less power in any speed than normaly/stock )1.8ghz use 1150mv and lowest speed use 775 mv)
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i used 2.0ghz about a week daily use. But now im lowered it to 1.8ghz and it is stable my everyday use. and battery lenght is very good maybe better than stock (i made undervoltage, so cpu uses -50mv less power in any speed than normaly/stock )1.8ghz use 1150mv and lowest speed use 775 mv)
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on tf300t? what kernel?
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on tf300t? what kernel?
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yep on tf300, and i compiled kernel myself, adding these features on it. So it is no downloadable this moment.
ok, and it's normal random reboot on 1,6 ghz? the problem is voltage or kernel?
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ok, and it's normal random reboot on 1,6 ghz? the problem is voltage or kernel?
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well, if you raise voltage up it may help, but i thing the problem is, that every tablet cpu is "diffrent" than other. This i mean, that these cpu is specsed in other speed than 1.6, 1,8 or 2.0ghz, and some invidiuals might work good in these higher speeds, some get randon reboots / freeze, or some of cpu:s dont even boot higher speeds. (i found out that when few people test my kernel, and it not even booted. And someone it will work fine.) This thing can "cross" by made kernel force cpu speed 1.0ghz at bootup (and i made this my kernel)
Also these tf300 tablet is manufactured atleast couple of diffrent cpu type /cpu id, so kernel have to had support all of these overclocking
It just like computers, some cpu can overclock higher than others, and if you go too high you need extra cooling, and in tablets, it is not possible, like normal pc's
*Most of this is my conclusion only, it may not be 100% accurate truth, but this how i see this thing. And if someone knows better etc, you can correct me *
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well, if you raise voltage up it may help, but i thing the problem is, that every tablet cpu is "diffrent" than other. This i mean, that these cpu is specsed in other speed than 1.6, 1,8 or 2.0ghz, and some invidiuals might work good in these higher speeds, some get randon reboots / freeze, or some of cpu:s dont even boot higher speeds. (i found out that when few people test my kernel, and it not even booted. And someone it will work fine.) This thing can "cross" by made kernel force cpu speed 1.0ghz at bootup (and i made this my kernel)
Also these tf300 tablet is manufactured atleast couple of diffrent cpu type /cpu id, so kernel have to had support all of these overclocking
It just like computers, some cpu can overclock higher than others, and if you go too high you need extra cooling, and in tablets, it is not possible, like normal pc's
*Most of this is my conclusion only, it may not be 100% accurate truth, but this how i see this thing. And if someone knows better etc, you can correct me *
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ok when do you release ur kernel's download? i wanna try
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ok when do you release ur kernel's download? i wanna try
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Well im not home right now, so i dont have any 2.0ghz or 1,8ghz kernel with me, i have only 1.7ghz oc kernel, so you can test it if you want. But just like always, im not taking any responsibility, so test /use it with own risk. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vvmti4knwkeflde/Nixu_Kernel_OC_1700_v0.1_alpha.zip
i'm afraid now loool, what would happen exactly?
after flashing the kernel is locked to the screen asus, does not want to start
That won't happen I flashed it
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I am sorry if what im about to ask is already posted somewhere (probably is), but this forum is pretty vast and I couldnt find what im looking for. The question is this, Im using Vanir ROM. Now with the inbuilt kernel I had around 20k benchmark on antutu. I flash hells core, excited to see any difference and whoop, i got 14k. Also i checked the part with 3D testing and fps was higher for about 5-7 points. So what Im asking is this,What is the meaning of this and also how can I, how to put it to not sound noobish, tweak the kernel to perform/save battery etc.?Because Im assuming thats not the top what HellsCore kernel can do, am I right? Or if you guys have any kernels to recommend, all is appreciated. Also if this helps, Im using Nexus 4, Vanir ROM(as posted above) and dont know what else would you need to know to answer.
Thanks in advance
/So I rebooted and now I am on 20840 for some reason.
Benchmarks are not very conclusive abnout anything. Each phone is different each user has different needs and how and where there phone is used. Everyone will tell u to try this kernel and that kernel but u just have to find one that works for you
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Benchmarks are not very conclusive abnout anything. Each phone is different each user has different needs and how and where there phone is used. Everyone will tell u to try this kernel and that kernel but u just have to find one that works for you
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I get that, i was more concerned about those numbers. Why did it drop to 14k and then went to 20k again.
Probably some patches were included in the rom's kernel, which can affect the scores.
When you flashed another kernel (helldoctor), you stopped using these patches, so scores went down.
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I am sorry if what im about to ask is already posted somewhere (probably is), but this forum is pretty vast and I couldnt find what im looking for. The question is this, Im using Vanir ROM. Now with the inbuilt kernel I had around 20k benchmark on antutu. I flash hells core, excited to see any difference and whoop, i got 14k. Also i checked the part with 3D testing and fps was higher for about 5-7 points. So what Im asking is this,What is the meaning of this and also how can I, how to put it to not sound noobish, tweak the kernel to perform/save battery etc.?Because Im assuming thats not the top what HellsCore kernel can do, am I right? Or if you guys have any kernels to recommend, all is appreciated. Also if this helps, Im using Nexus 4, Vanir ROM(as posted above) and dont know what else would you need to know to answer.
Thanks in advance
/So I rebooted and now I am on 20840 for some reason.
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Anututu and other benchmarks depend on a number of factors/conditions which affect the final result . The major conditions which affect it result are below
1) The CPU temperature !! When ur phone gets hot the CPU throttle will automatically reduce the active cores and the clock speed to cool down your CPU !! This results in decrease in performance !! When you flash new kernels its possible that ur phone is hot and hence performance decreases
2) Using your phone while running tests also affect the results . for eg if there is a notification during the test or background sync going on it will affect the result
3) probably the kernel packed with vanir had 4 cores active all the time to increase scores and hells core has just 2 cores active ( at a given moment) will mean decreased performance
The ideal way to test kernels is as follows
1) Dirty flash your ROM before flashing kernel
2) Reboot your device after the first boot
3) Let it settle down for an hour
4) turn of data/WiFi during the test
5) see the kernels specs( like cores active/the maximum CPU speed) through an app like trickster/faux clock
6) Now run the test
7) after test let your phone cool down for 15 mins
8) repeat the test a few times and take the average of all scores
Kindly hit the thanks button as a token of appreciation
Antutu was never accurate if you ask me. Sometimes it goes down and the other it went up..so..
I see, thank you guys.
Benchmarks are like putting makeup on.
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Hi there,
I'm really loving xda for years cause the active community here (depending on the device) and love to overclock my phone.
Through the years I've oc'ed it all starting with my HTC legend.
I know that it isn't just adding some freqs and voltages to make this happen, but I don't understand why (kernel)makers don't oc the S8. For example, I see som kernel developers build kernels with oc/uc and voltage control for the S7 (exynos). Some of those developers now build kernels for the S8, but don't add any oc possibility.
I just don't get why and am really curious if any of you understand why?
It's not that I'm not grateful for what they do (cause they are awesome) but I'm just REALLY curious and can't find the reason why it shouldn't and/or couldn't be done.
Dn_nS said:
Hi there,
I'm really loving xda for years cause the active community here (depending on the device) and love to overclock my phone.
Through the years I've oc'ed it all starting with my HTC legend.
I know that it isn't just adding some freqs and voltages to make this happen, but I don't understand why (kernel)makers don't oc the S8. For example, I see som kernel developers build kernels with oc/uc and voltage control for the S7 (exynos). Some of those developers now build kernels for the S8, but don't add any oc possibility.
I just don't get why and am really curious if any of you understand why?
It's not that I'm not grateful for what they do (cause they are awesome) but I'm just REALLY curious and can't find the reason why it shouldn't and/or couldn't be done.
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Well the snapdrag version can be underclocked but there is no OC as the kernel is not modifiable Due to locked BootLoader
TheMadScientist said:
Well the snapdrag version can be underclocked but there is no OC as the kernel is not modifiable Due to locked BootLoader
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Sorry I didn't specify things. I do mean the exynos version. There are some kernels that lift the 2,3 max freq to 2,65 GHz, but know that some S7 kernels climb to 2,9 GHz. So (in my book) that means the S8 should be able to overclock to 3 GHz (cause of the base A73 base of the 2nd gen mongoose cores and 10nm footprint).
So I'm just curious if it's not possible or there is some other reason why none are doing this.
And with underclocking I meant adding freqs that are below the standard lowest freq, my bad. (Don't how to call it otherwise)
Battery life.....
Battery life mainly.
Through overclocking, sure you can make s8 run as fast as oneplus considering s8's heavy skin, but most of us would rather see 6-8 hours of SOT with 24 hours of usage than our app opening 1-2 seconds faster.
Saying that, there are plenty of debloated roms for s8 that can run faster/smoother than the stock without sacrificing the battery life.
So, as for your question, maybe the devs don't want to put too much effort on overclocking an already pretty fast processor or underclocking an already pretty efficient processor. I am not a dev so can't really talk about complicated codings and stuff.
Why would you overclock a Ferrari?
IDan1109 said:
Why would you overclock a Ferrari?
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This! Says it all.
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The S8 is fast enough on its own. I never even OC'd my S6. I find Exynos processors to be really fast as-is.
It's true, I dont't see any practical use for overclocking, yet. It would be purely for the fun of it. I'm sure we will see it more in the future, when some more hardware-heavy Games will be released.
Undervolting on the other surprises me aswell, to not see it frequently. Because, although it's totally fine right now, batterylife and efficiency can always be better.
I'm curious if we will see more Devs include this in their ROMs and Kernels
I agree with all the above. I called either due to snapdragon but I wouldn't even i if I could. I actually limit the clock speed on my big CPUs because the higher clock rates eat more power.
Also, why? Just why? Looking at cpu usage on my s8, the only time I've seen it actually pegged was running benchmarks. Overclocking is absolutely useless if the variable cpu clock never goes to 100% for more than milliseconds. Why do something so potentially dangerous for nothing?
:good::good::good:Well put guys:good::good::good:
I cant overclock but i still have set cpu and use it to underclock (when the screen is off) but most kf the time it is underclocked if it is not playing a game or ram extensive app
IDan1109 said:
Why would you overclock a Ferrari?
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Why you overclock GTX 2080? Why you overclock i9 or amd threadripper 2950x cpu? Why you overclock DDR4 3000MHZ Ram? Why you use 3DMark? Or cinebench or, or or........
Thats all the same.
To everyone asking "Why??", I find it rather odd that you don't know already...
The reason why some of us like (want) to overclock, or undervolt, is the exact same reason we're all on this site: We like to TWEAK STUFF!
Doesn't matter if it's rooting, flashing a custom ROM, creating a unique theme, coding a new app. All of those boil down to the same human instinct to explore, to make things better, or make new things. Whether or not it's needed is completely irrelevant
Using your logic, there's no reason to have a custom kernel in the first place, nevermind rooting your phone, or having custom ROM. The phone worked fine the way it was, after all, right?
In closing, the motto "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is what the lay people adhere to. We who are more inclined in certain aspects of life (such as the XDA community) live by another: "If it ain't broke, tweak it!", or if you rather "If it ain't broke, tweak it till it does, then fix it!"
Please add over/underclocking and over/under volting for CPU and GPU cores to every kernel, for every device that allows it! We already except blame if anything bad should come to our device the moment we decide to root and/or flash something, so why not give us every single capability available for the devices and leave it up to us to do what we so choose? :good:
[Naturally, this is based on the assumption that a device lacks a bootloader, and the kernel maker possesses the knowledge; thus, this is referring to those situations where both apply.]
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Why would you overclock a Ferrari?
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To be faster than other team who is performance tuning as well. You don't have to do it because not everyone is doing. It should be geared towards to people who really care. Like others in this thread mention battery life but people like me wants it faster.
Also I game with the phone connected to charger all the time. I don't really game on the go though if I did I would bring portable battery if someone driving me. That just me.
People like me use phones for emulation. GameCube games are almost at the right speed but do run just a bit to slow in some location rendering them unpleasant to play. A bit more of cpu power would certainly make " Wind waker " run at constant 30 FPS. I hope this topic to be revived
Well just a quick answer , it's because of how samsung's voltage table is set , the voltage table is locked and to be modifed it needs to be hacked in some sort , that's why you cant oc that much since you need to change the voltage table and increase it so you can have stable oc
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There is alot of kernels that has oc already gpu and cpu wise , they add like 200mhz oc or something for cpu and 100 for the gpu yeah that would give you that little bit of extra juice but it aint stable in some sort you can have kernel crashes or system hogging that's due to the voltage table , i can make you a kernel that has 600mhz oc but ass soon as you select it , the phone would crash since it doesnt have enough power going to it
As Xperia modder said, darn LOCKED voltage table. If only it was unlocked....
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Well just a quick answer , it's because of how samsung's voltage table is set , the voltage table is locked and to be modifed it needs to be hacked in some sort , that's why you cant oc that much since you need to change the voltage table and increase it so you can have stable oc
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There is alot of kernels that has oc already gpu and cpu wise , they add like 200mhz oc or something for cpu and 100 for the gpu yeah that would give you that little bit of extra juice but it aint stable in some sort you can have kernel crashes or system hogging that's due to the voltage table , i can make you a kernel that has 600mhz oc but ass soon as you select it , the phone would crash since it doesnt have enough power going to it
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Can I ask you a question? Just to have a doubt removed from my head. Do you know if Exynos 8890 devices have locked voltage table as well?
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As Xperia modder said, darn LOCKED voltage table. If only it was unlocked....
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Can I ask you a question? Just to have a doubt removed from my head. Do you know if Exynos 8890 devices have locked voltage table as well?
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Well tbh i dont know but this has always been. A thing with exynos chips , yeah some developers go out of their way and write some stuff from scratch to make it work you know
Dn_nS said:
Hi there,
I'm really loving xda for years cause the active community here (depending on the device) and love to overclock my phone.
Through the years I've oc'ed it all starting with my HTC legend.
I know that it isn't just adding some freqs and voltages to make this happen, but I don't understand why (kernel)makers don't oc the S8. For example, I see som kernel developers build kernels with oc/uc and voltage control for the S7 (exynos). Some of those developers now build kernels for the S8, but don't add any oc possibility.
I just don't get why and am really curious if any of you understand why?
It's not that I'm not grateful for what they do (cause they are awesome) but I'm just REALLY curious and can't find the reason why it shouldn't and/or couldn't be done.
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Yeah has been realesed a2n kernel oc up to 2,8 ghz and oc up to 839mhz all of them is all core