So after years of enjoying xda anonymously I had to ask: why the sudden secrecy about the ICS leak for the Atrix 4G?
I've been enjoying xda for my Bionic and over 'there' (lol) we don't care. If there is a leak we all go crazy and post howto's and upload it to a dozen fileshare sites, share info and just go buck ass wild.
Over the past couple of days I noticed there was a thread about a leak, then it got deleted, and ever since then it's "That ROM" and everyone is anal about providing info about it. What's the big deal? Really. Someone explain it.
I would love to get an ICS leak for my wife's Atrix 4G. She's having so much trouble with cellular data and Wifi it would be like a new phone to her.
I just went back to stock on my Bionic to wait for a soak test OTA for ICS I was invited for. If it works as well as the leak I've been running for months I'll be happy as a slinky on an escalator (sorry, had to use that one. It's from a US commercial and cracks me up).
So, what's the big deal with the secrecy?
The problem with XDA is perpetual misinformation.
Thread got deleted. People jumped to conclusions, thought it must be Motorola or some other company. Now everyone thinks if they keep it all "hush hush" that they won't realise people are bug testing and developing on the leak lol
The other day people got pissy and suspicious when someone who's been here for years (but only posted recently, sorta like how i started here) because he asked for AT&T APK's and logs (plaintext, anyone could comb through for personal info and remove it before sending).
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coolnow said:
The problem with XDA is perpetual misinformation.
Thread got deleted. People jumped to conclusions, thought it must be Motorola or some other company. Now everyone thinks if they keep it all "hush hush" that they won't realise people are bug testing and developing on the leak lol
The other day people got pissy and suspicious when someone who's been here for years (but only posted recently, sorta like how i started here) because he asked for AT&T APK's and logs (plaintext, anyone could comb through for personal info and remove it before sending).
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I SAW THAT .. that was hilarious. I was really close to comment about that in my first post; something like "Don't worry, I promise I'm no undercover spook from Apple" (since they own the Atrix's fingerprint reader company now). Bringing Apple in here would have really stirred up some ****
I guess I'll wait until things die down and get organized. My wife doesn't like me messing with her phone so I need to get it right the first time lol
Initially there was a mis-understanding due to lack of information, people assumed and inferred too much from epinter's thread removal. Whether or not the paranoia is justified, fact remains that epinter wanted his thread removed and that some company wanted the leak hushed in XDA although they did not do it via the right channels.
Now I think it became the defacto standard to call the leak 'that rom', not due to paranoia but because people are familiar with that name. Its quite cool too, adds a story to our beloved phone.
We are all masons. That's why.
It wasn't apple. It was Microsoft . The sent a dozen ninjas bearing swords coated with a special toxin distilled from a rare variety of cease and desist notice only found growing in the shadow of Steve Jobs's grave stone.
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eddhard said:
It wasn't apple. It was Microsoft . The sent a dozen ninjas bearing swords coated with a special toxin distilled from a rare variety of cease and desist notice only found growing in the shadow of Steve Jobs's grave stone.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the pinnacle of XDA humour.
Leakes are risky business for noods and thread was closed dur to same reason by OP. Thats all not a secret if u try to read more.
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pst. a mod said actually said that there were copyright issues with the firmware and they were deciding if it should be taken down.
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...may be THEY hope people forced to buy new device......are they crazy???????? after this BS no more MOTO at least for me....
You guys have reading comprehension issues. Kennethpenn didn't say who it was, except that it *wasn't* Motorola.
Epinter took his thread down on his own, unrelated to any communications about the ROM.
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You guys have reading comprehension issues. Kennethpenn didn't say who it was, except that it *wasn't* Motorola.
Epinter took his thread down on his own, unrelated to any communications about the ROM.
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People see what they want to see. People jump to conclusions. People repeat these assumptions so often that they morph into "the truth". People are idiots.
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People see what they want to see. People jump to conclusions. People repeat these assumptions so often that they morph into "the truth". People are idiots.
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Yes. Only you know what is really going on. Only you are smart. But you won't be sued. You are anonymous but the board is not and I don't think they have enough money to go against software companies.
Be reasonable.
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Yes. Only you know what is really going on. Only you are smart.
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I do often think that I'm one of the few here who has a lick of common sense. But I guess it's easier to go with the smart-ass answer than admit you may be part of the problem, eh?
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But you won't be sued. You are anonymous but the board is not and I don't think they have enough money to go against software companies.
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Interesting. Now, back to what I was actually talking about, re: people making baseless assumptions and running with them until they become convinced it's "the truth" (and presenting it as unsubstantiated fact). Any opinions on that, sir?
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Be reasonable.
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Says the person who won't even discuss the issue I brought up, who instead tries to deflect the issue by talking about something else? Okay, sure.
Atrix ICS/JB over due!!
Atrix deserves an ICS update!! Love this Phone.
Personally I feel that the community should set an example by creating a stable ICS/JB build for the phone.
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Atrix deserves an ICS update!! Love this Phone.
Personally I feel that the community should set an example by creating a stable ICS/JB build for the phone.
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You're new here, but don't ever expect anything from the community. They "should"? No, they shouldn't do anything, they don't owe you or me anything. Be happy with what they're already done.
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I would love to get an ICS leak for my wife's Atrix 4G.
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Forgive my sense of humour...
If your wife insisting on ICS then the easiest solution is divorcing her, otherwise your marriage is safe in spite of her Atrix ownership.
A working ICS ROM is not going to happen from any ROM leaks unless Motorola finishs cooking the ROM. The support of ICS ROM by XDA members would be an issue, at least for me.
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Forgive my sense of humour...
If your wife insisting on ICS then the easiest solution is divorcing her, otherwise your marriage is safe in spite of her Atrix ownership.
A working ICS ROM is not going to happen from any ROM leaks unless Motorola finishs cooking the ROM. The support of ICS ROM by XDA members would be an issue, at least for me.
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Forgive my sense of humour...
If your wife insisting on ICS then the easiest solution is divorcing her, otherwise your marriage is safe in spite of her Atrix ownership.
A working ICS ROM is not going to happen from any ROM leaks unless Motorola finishs cooking the ROM. The support of ICS ROM by XDA members would be an issue, at least for me.
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Cooking????? ROM??????
And why would a Firmware supported by xda developers be a problem for you?
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Lol. My wife doesn't care what she runs but she has horrible issues with cellular data stability. I had too with my Bionic before I installed an ICS leak. That's why I'm banking on this leak.
I don't know the state of this leak, but if it is anything like the Bionic leaks it's good enough.
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You're new here, but don't ever expect anything from the community. They "should"? No, they shouldn't do anything, they don't owe you or me anything. Be happy with what they're already done.
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And if you ever feel the community should do something, set up an example and... do it then share with others.
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Wasn't he supposed to make some kind of announcement on Monday according to his thread? Thought something was in the works and was hoping for more since the other thread got closed.
He did say that and I've been watching all day for this "announcement"
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good things come to those who wait.. just chill
Just hoping he didn't get banned from posting since the thread got closed by a Senior moderator. Thats all, I'm not impatient, but really excited to hear what he has to say.
All threads in all forums (not just Epic's) by John were locked by 'upper management' so to speak with XDA, so I'm guessing they didn't like the initial approach of things for whatever reason. I PM'ed him earlier today myself and asked about it for curiosity's sake and he said 'we' were in talks with XDA and he hoped to be able to post some details again soon in a new thread. Without being privy to the particulars of all that, my guess is that they'd prefer him be isolated to some higher level 'general' XDA forum and all interaction/feedback occur in one central thread than have a separate thread with every device of theirs. But that's purely a guess on my part.
Lol don't hold your breath
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All threads in all forums (not just Epic's) by John were locked by 'upper management' so to speak with XDA, so I'm guessing they didn't like the initial approach of things for whatever reason. I PM'ed him earlier today myself and asked about it for curiosity's sake and he said 'we' were in talks with XDA and he hoped to be able to post some details again soon in a new thread. Without being privy to the particulars of all that, my guess is that they'd prefer him be isolated to some higher level 'general' XDA forum and all interaction/feedback occur in one central thread than have a separate thread with every device of theirs. But that's purely a guess on my part.
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I dont want to believe this, but it makes me wonder.
His last activity was 6:49 today, so I doubt he is gonna make any post regarding what he promised.
He's got 4 hours until its no longer Monday. He is in Texas, so its around 8PM there now. I sure hope "politics" doesn't get in the way of him making his announcement or whatever.
Did anyone really think that this was going to turn into something great? I mean really? Samsungs track record for putting customers first has been proven time and time again, long before the galaxy line and long before cell phones. Not only that, look at XDA from the eyes and view of a large corporation such as Samsung... not just from the view of a dev, themer, consumer. If you've ever worked for a larger corporation/company who's main priority is profit and remaiming current and ahead of the competition you probably understand. One main priority is keeping products and control over those products within your reach, not within the reach of the consumer.
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Did anyone really think that this was going to turn into something great? I mean really? Samsungs track record for putting customers first has been proven time and time again, long before the galaxy line and long before cell phones. Not only that, look at XDA from the eyes and view of a large corporation such as Samsung... not just from the view of a dev, themer, consumer. If you've ever worked for a larger corporation/company who's main priority is profit and remaiming current and ahead of the competition you probably understand. One main priority is keeping products and control over those products within your reach, not within the reach of the consumer.
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No one expects anything good from Samsung. We can at least hold on to a little bit of hope that they may change though. From MWC:
"Samsung did make a promise about upgrades, though, with reps saying that the ongoing disaster involving upgrading the current Galaxy S line to Android 2.2 "will never happen again.""
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There is a small chance that they get it.
Oh how I wish for an announcement of any kind.
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Oh how I wish for an announcement of any kind.
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It will happen in the near future... sprint and samsungjohn will be updated by Q4 of 2011... they are working dilligently to bring 2.2 asap...blah...blah.......blah
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No one expects anything good from Samsung. We can at least hold on to a little bit of hope that they may change though. From MWC:
There is a small chance that they get it.
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Hope I get. Acting like Samsung John was the next coming of Christ is another thing (again, not just on the Epic forums). I was hopeful as well that Samsung would get it, but the Epic is soon to be old news, to me at least.
And yes, I'm sure samsung gets it. NOW they get it. I take that to mean they won't make the same mistakes on the SG2 line that they made on our phones.
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Guys, please keep it civil. I know it's frustrating but if you need to rant just chill for a bit.
All this bickering isn't helping anybody.
Darkk
Its another disappointment from Samsung and John we got used to that story. It seems like there is a big problem epic and froyo getting along so they want some help from xda dev cuz sprint can't get their things together and who knows the deal is already made.
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Samsung did make a promise about upgrades, though, with reps saying that the ongoing disaster involving upgrading the current Galaxy S line to Android 2.2 "will never happen again.
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Sounds like a sucker move to me. They say it wont happen again to suck you into buying a a new phone with the same support, only to drop support for the last line of devices. Not buying it Mr Samsung.
As soon as another competitor has a device that has even within reasonable specs at the same time of launch, they are gonna notice why their failure has come to a reality with their next device release.
Lol.
Yano, the cynic in me, as I'm sure is true with some other people, (and I hope its not lost on those people either) believes his lack of a post today is intentional. Remember, he is a social media "analyst". Looking for what type of reactions he would get for breaking such a small "promise" sounds like a pretty good barometer to gauge just how accurate the "mass feelings of resentment" for samsung for not getting us an update sooner is.
Do believe he's the real deal? Yes, and I'm confident he will post with his details later. But I'm pretty sure he's holding off just to watch us, and see how much we hold people to verbal commitments.
We're all lab rats.
But that's just the cynic in me talkin
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He is holding out for sexual favors.
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It will happen in the near future... sprint and samsungjohn will be updated by Q4 of 2011... they are working dilligently to bring 2.2 asap...blah...blah.......blah
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LOL! Beautiful.
Jayavarman said:
He is holding out for sexual favors.
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Ok.....ill take one for the team
http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...nt/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Wow.
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EDIT: Title changed due to apparent confusion between Cyanogen (Developer of CM), and CyanogenMod (ROM he's developed).
Thats pretty cool. Guy did the work and it paid off. Good for him.
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Crazy it's his side project too. That's pretty awesome!
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what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
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what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
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Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
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Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
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Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters
.......they've been talking about this for months too.
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Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
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yeah, but factory rooting.....hehe, see HTC's "web unlocker" you can root it, but they will want every single detail about your phone, so they can automaticly void the warrenty.
hopefully samsung won't control the development otherwise devices might not receive updates anymore
So is this good or bad for us? I dont think i would be able to live with out any more updates for my phone running cyanogenmod.
Could a thread title possibly be more misleading??? I'm kinda scratching my head at some of these replies after reading the article. Nobody bought CM! The CM dev was hired on at Samsung!
Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
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If this is true, and Steve continues to work on his "side project" after Samsung forbids him to do so, he could find himself facing an onerous lawsuit from his employer.
It is known as a form of "poison pill". A company hires someone who can or does make a dent into their profits. After a while, they "discover" his work and forbid him to work on it ever again. He continues to work on it and the employer sues, claiming millions in lost revenue. At best, he is out hundreds of thousands before he settles out of court.
From someone who has seen this scenario played out more than once...
Edited title of this thread due to confusion.
Cyanogen = Developer of CyanogenMod
CyanogenMOD = ROM that was developed by Cyanogen
Samsung hires Cyanogen. The CM ROM won't be affected, since it is a side project of his. He is currently employed, and developing his ROM isn't his full time job (although developing constantly, you could make a case for it being a full time job!). CM the ROM won't be affected by this. Updates will continue as always, and Samsung has nothing to do with the CM ROM.
The CM Team was given a Samsung phone a while back and told to "get CM7 running on it", which was pretty cool on Samsung's part. I am sure they are interested in the ROM, since it is great, and updates are frequent to address issues that arise. BUT Samsung does not own the CM ROM, they've merely hired the ROM's creator, Cyanogen.
I think this is a huge leap forward for both samsung and the CM7 community.
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the way i see it, win win
Samsung got another dev to work on their android lineup
Cyanogen got a new job because he has a rom for...countless devices (most of which have been EOL'd by now, namely the OG droid and Droid Incredible) on his resume.
this will not effect cm7, at all, he will continue to operate it as a side-project, samsung did this because they want to keep up with Sense and MotorBlur. (touchwiz has room for major improovements too)
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Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
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That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
Congrats to Steve “Cyanogen” Kondik. I see a lot of good coming from this.
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That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
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Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
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Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
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Well his sig did warn us, just saying.
As you can see by the title I am getting more and more disgruntled by the day.
I assume the playbook made no mention of GB this f'ing week?
.....I'm not sure how I am supposed to respond to this. There is no question. Or any way to know whether or not Sprint will drop GB. Hmmm
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.....I'm not sure how I am supposed to respond to this. There is no question. Or any way to know whether or not Sprint will drop GB. Hmmm
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If it is going to drop isn't it mentioned in the PB?
Therefore the question is - Was it in the PB tonight?
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If it is going to drop isn't it mentioned in the PB?
Therefore the question is - Was it in the PB tonight?
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If it was, your title is going to look more retarded than it does already, and its already full fledged.
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If it was, your title is going to look more retarded than it does already, and its already full fledged.
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Speaking of retarded, look who it is. Pot, Kettle, Black.
Anyway - I qualified my title in the first line of my post. I am disgruntled and I am tired of the same old **** from Sprint/Samsung. No communication, late patches... Tired and disgruntled beyond belief. Hence the title.
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As you can see by the title I am getting more and more disgruntled by the day.
I assume the playbook made no mention of GB this f'ing week?
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The guy that looks at the playbook and shares with us looks at it on Wednesday and shares on Thursday. Calm your damn nerves til tomorrow when we're told what he found out.
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The Great Lonny from Charlie Brown!!!!
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Speaking of retarded, look who it is. Pot, Kettle, Black.
Anyway - I qualified my title in the first line of my post. I am disgruntled and I am tired of the same old **** from Sprint/Samsung. No communication, late patches... Tired and disgruntled beyond belief. Hence the title.
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Thanks for being real. I feel the same way bro. I feel your pain. But I am not surprised. Maybe some of the guys can ask Lonny Claus for his version of gingerbread. I am on the naughty list so I won't be getting gingerbread but others who are on the nice list can or maybe we can wait for the Lonny Bunny but our best chance is to ask the Great Lonny next Halloween for gingerbread by that time we will have an official gingerbread while everybody else will be on Jellybean.
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The guy that looks at the playbook and shares with us looks at it on Wednesday and shares on Thursday. Calm your damn nerves til tomorrow when we're told what he found out.
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Thanks Steve. I didn't know that was the case. I thought several users here had access to it.
I am so disgusted with SamSprint it is disgusting. The worst part yet is that I feel that I have no options. I like Samsung technology (specifically the large AMOLED screen in combination with the physical QWERTY), but with attitude that Samsung and Sprint have in releasing software updates (the attitude of I got your money already), it is REALLY discouraging. I wish we had other options because I would GTFO of this phone QUICK and never buy another Samsung phone again.
ALSO, all of this in combination with Samsung and Sprint's complete lack of communication on the matter. No status updates, confirmations, NOTHING. SOOOOOOOOOO tired of this business model, and nothing on the horizon that looks better.
The Galaxy S is an awesome phone no matter which variant you have. Yes we don't get the up dates as quick as we should, I put it on the carriers(refer to the I9000 section on samfirmware and you'll see what I mean). If they'd let some members of xda do their updates they'd be a lot stablier and out faster.
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Maybe some of the guys can ask Lonny Claus for his version of gingerbread.
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It is pretty clear from all of the posts that I have read, that getting GB from his phone is nothing short of a lost cause.
That said, we shouldn't need to do this kind of reverse engineering crap to get the software off his phone to get it to the people that want it.
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It is pretty clear from all of the posts that I have read, that getting GB from his phone is nothing short of a lost cause.
That said, we shouldn't need to do this kind of reverse engineering crap to get the software off his phone to get it to the people that want it.
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That is not going to happen.
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Care to take your childish, complaining somewhere else? Try any android blog, or the sprint forums. This thread, and all of these supportive attitudes are asinine.
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Care to take your childish, complaining somewhere else? Try any android blog, or the sprint forums. This thread, and all of these supportive attitudes are asinine.
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I am sorry that you think it is ok for companies (Sprint/Samsung) to treat THEIR CUSTOMERS this way. You know, the same customers who pay the salaries of the employees of their respective companies???
I am also sorry that you don't find this ridiculous delay, and this non-communication as acceptable, and as something that doesn't warrant complaining.
Instead, you chose to complain about my post. Good use of your time. It is YOUR passive attitude which is what allows these exact delays to occur. GOOD JOB!
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I guess it wasn't in the playbook this week?
Dude, for real? Grow up. We've gone this long without official GB, it's not like the phone is unusable without it.
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Dude, for real? Grow up. We've gone this long without official GB, it's not like the phone is unusable without it.
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And that makes it ok!!!!
I simply don't understand how so many people think it is OK for a consumer to be treated this way by the company they are supporting. This is NOT OK. Instead of being passive about the entire situation, why not be more vocal???
Funny thing is, if you pacifists would actually read what I post, you would see that I am not even necessarily asking for GB tomorrow. I would be thrilled just to get some communication from these companies. Stop keeping the PAYING CUSTOMERS in the dark. Let us know what is going on.
If more people spoke up, maybe these companies would change their tune a little, but nooooooooooo, people are ok with not getting updates in a timely fashion, with no communication from the companies that will ultimately provide said update.
Unless GB is gonna make my phone physically do my job for me I don't see it as that big of a deal. The devs have made this phone kick ass but in essence its just a phone that's fun to mod. I just don't get all the anger. Besides that I'm running eh17 with one of the new kernels from source and it is running great. (Although it still doesn't do my job for me)
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Your complaing in a development fourm isn't going to do anything for you if your upset that sprint/samsung does not give you timely updates to your phone. Try complaining in the sprint/samsung fourms, it might help your cause a litttle more.
GituSum Epic
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Your complaing in a development fourm isn't going to do anything for you if your upset that sprint/samsung does not give you timely updates to your phone. Try complaining in the sprint/samsung fourms, it might help your cause a litttle more.
GituSum Epic
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I have personally written to both companies (actual paper and stamp). I am just one person. If more and more people did it (even just demanded communication), things would change.
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Unless GB is gonna make my phone physically do my job for me I don't see it as that big of a deal. The devs have made this phone kick ass but in essence its just a phone that's fun to mod. I just don't get all the anger. Besides that I'm running eh17 with one of the new kernels from source and it is running great. (Although it still doesn't do my job for me)
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I had to lol at the job still not being done for you. Now there's a real challenge for the devs.
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And that makes it ok!!!!
I simply don't understand how so many people think it is OK for a consumer to be treated this way by the company they are supporting. This is NOT OK. Instead of being passive about the entire situation, why not be more vocal???
Funny thing is, if you pacifists would actually read what I post, you would see that I am not even necessarily asking for GB tomorrow. I would be thrilled just to get some communication from these companies. Stop keeping the PAYING CUSTOMERS in the dark. Let us know what is going on.
If more people spoke up, maybe these companies would change their tune a little, but nooooooooooo, people are ok with not getting updates in a timely fashion, with no communication from the companies that will ultimately provide said update.
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Spoke up to WHO? XDA Developers forum?
And no one is keeping anyone in the dark. We weren't guaranteed ANYTHING. We have been getting leaks (read: unofficial builds), and that's it. Nothing has been announced. We'll get it when we get it. Were we even TOLD we were getting Gingerbread by both Sprint and Samsung? I don't think so. We are all speculating release dates, 2.3.x builds, playbook leaks, etc.
How is this possible? JellyBean is out and no ICS ROMs have been made for the TB? I don't get it.... and yes this is in the dev section b/c its a question about ROMs.
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How is this possible? JellyBean is out and no ICS ROMs have been made for the TB? I don't get it.... and yes this is in the dev section b/c its a question about ROMs.
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Because no one has been able to crack the RIL. Until HTC/Verizon send us an update or we get a leak, we are left in the cold.
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Turd Furguson said:
Because no one has been able to crack the RIL. Until HTC/Verizon send us an update or we get a leak, we are left in the cold.
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Its very strange b/c every other phone has a "leaked" version of it but the TB.........
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How is this possible? JellyBean is out and no ICS ROMs have been made for the TB? I don't get it.... and yes this is in the dev section b/c its a question about ROMs.
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This is just a guess, but i'm pretty sure questions go in the Q/A part of the forum. Especially one that's been covered so frequently here.
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not a guess ^. unless you personally developed something, your thread doesn't belong in the development section.
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How is this possible? JellyBean is out and no ICS ROMs have been made for the TB? I don't get it.... and yes this is in the dev section b/c its a question about ROMs.
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Liquids its not yet a daily driver.. but its a must go with working wifi calls and texts ...
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I think us hardcore TB guys are just getting left in the cold
ANOTHER THREAD about this? Really?!?! Let me guess, the search button or google was broken? Jeeze, talk about beating a dead horse.
Every Dev that has been kind enough to start an ICS Rom has said the hold up is the RIL.
The TB has the ability to do data and voice at the same time, the devs have stated time and time again that complicates things.
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Its very strange b/c every other phone has a "leaked" version of it but the TB.........
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As awesome as our Devs are, they can't just **** out a leak and make a Rom work within 5 minutes. Patience!
If you are THAT antsy, try HOLO launcher.
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ANOTHER THREAD about this? Really?!?! Let me guess, the search button or google was broken? Jeeze, talk about beating a dead horse.
Every Dev that has been kind enough to start an ICS Rom has said the hold up is the RIL.
The TB has the ability to do data and voice at the same time.
As awesome as our Devs are, they can't just **** out a leak and make a Rom work within 5 minutes. Patience!
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Did you forget to take your xanax or something? How long has ICS been out? And how long has the TB been available? Yea. exactly. I'm not bashing the devs they do great work.
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Did you forget to take your xanax or something? How long has ICS been out? And how long has the TB been available? Yea. exactly. I'm not bashing the devs they do great work.
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Are you unable to search? This has been covered, answered and smashed into the ground... repeatedly
It has less to do with how long ICS has been out, it is the RIL. Look around, there are awesome ICS builds, minus data. Data hold up is because of the RIL. Complaining here won't make one appear out of thin air. The problem lies with HTC at the moment. Don't forget, the TB has been in the "end of life" phase for awhile now. Face it, we have older tech. Older tech = low priority at HTC.
It crazy how the Note, and the inspire 4g get the ICS fully functionable I was very disappointed that my friend on his inspire get the ICS on his phone.the inspire and thunderbolt are almost the same but I'm sure they have different RIL not only that they both on 4g but only as 4g lte on the thunderbolt.. I wouldn't trade my TB for any other phone.since I went threw four screens and one whole housing.all I can.say is we gotta wait.
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The newest ICS rom has Calling, Texting, and Wi-fi. I've been using it for over a week now and it works amazing and there is an update coming soon like liquid said! Also there are a couple Jelly Bean Roms in the works although nothing has been released yet a few devs are currently working on it trying to get it to boot! Hopefully there is a leak or an official update for ICS to move the work along but until then this is what you have! If you can get past not having mobile data, camcorder, or netflix you should give it a try!
LiquidSmooth-ICS-v1.5 MR1 Pre-Release
http://goo.gl/G5pzv
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Are you unable to search? This has been covered, answered and smashed into the ground... repeatedly
It has less to do with how long ICS has been out, it is the RIL. Look around, there are awesome ICS builds, minus data. Data hold up is because of the RIL. Complaining here won't make one appear out of thin air. The problem lies with HTC at the moment. Don't forget, the TB has been in the "end of life" phase for awhile now. Face it, we have older tech. Older tech = low priority at HTC.
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stop being such a prick dude.... seriously. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread then go away.
El oh el. If supplying you with answers to questions that have been asked repeatedly makes me a prick in your eyes, perhaps you need thicker skin.
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stop being such a prick dude.... seriously. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread then go away.
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what exactly was wrong with his post? anyone who checks in here at least once a week has seen this type question beat to death for a long long time
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Mods this thread is pointless and in the wrong section. We're beating a dead horse here so why not lock this thread before it gets ugly.
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enkrypt3d: No offense, but your comments are showing a lack of understanding about the development process. This is a *development* thread. It's not for lack of hard work and effort from the community, it's just the inability to make the data radio talk to the operating system. From scratch, this is no easy feat. If you want to complain about not having working ICS or JB on the Thunderbolt, don't do it in a development thread. It's like a teenager busting into a brewery asking why his homemade beer tastes awful.
I'm not trying to say this with any animosity toward you, I'm just letting you know that it probably comes off as rude and insulting to developers that have actually been busting their ass trying to maintain any roms at all for the Thunderbolt, ICS or not.
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This is just a guess, but i'm pretty sure questions go in the Q/A part of the forum. Especially one that's been covered so frequently here.
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Considering nobody is really dev for tb anymore I'm sure nobody will mind.
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Considering nobody is really dev for tb anymore I'm sure nobody will mind.
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There are still a couple devs but we keep on losing devs and soon enough we will have one. Seems like its gonna be time to get a new phone soon, the devs promise to have full working ics by latest next month. Hopefully they keep their promise.
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Discussed to death, zombied, and killed twice more.
Punit Soni needs to know that there is a lot of people intested in the kernel source of their incomplete work on ICS.
Let's ask him for that https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351
I think it could help us to get an working ICS =)
Thank you Guys!
We were lucky to get anything other than a standard textbook reply from Motorola. Motorola will never release source as it has a lot of proprietary code and drivers to which they might no longer have rights to. Also, I can't imagine them releasing it only to be told that unpaid enthusiasts were able to do what their employees couldn't.
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Punit Soni needs to know that there is a lot of people intested in the kernel source of their incomplete work on ICS.
Let's ask him for that https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351
I think it could help us to get an working ICS =)
Thank you Guys!
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I don't think Punit Soni is the right guy for that.
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We were lucky to get anything other than a standard textbook reply from Motorola. Motorola will never release source as it has a lot of proprietary code and drivers to which they might no longer have rights to. Also, I can't imagine them releasing it only to be told that unpaid enthusiasts were able to do what their employees couldn't.
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But if we get only the GPL sources, we could use the proprietary libraries in the leak. If the proprietary libraries are ok, then we could fix the problems with the leak's kernel (like battery drain, deep sleep).
In fact, looks like they have reasons to not release the GPL sources... But doesn't hurt to ask Punit Soni about it...
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I don't think Punit Soni is the right guy for that.
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Why not? He is the vice president of motorola and he's open to suggestions on his google plus page...
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Why not? He is the vice president of motorola and he's open to suggestions on his google plus page...
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He isnt the vice president of moto. He is the vice president of product management. For about a month straight the atrix and photon community asked him over and over to do something to no avail. By all means, try again. But just saying, its been done before.
Well let's just add a layer of anger. I'm pretty bored of this crappy company not giving us what we need.
imho Punit is the guy that's responsible for the cancellation of ICS update. He was talking about bitter decisions before the announcement.
And as an employee of Google, he wont give anything that will give more life to Atrix.
If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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May I ask why are you still following Atrix threads and posting posts like this?! If you have or made decision to buy another phone, just buy it and leave others without your advises.
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If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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Thanks for the advice. But couldn't you tell me how to get 300€ to get a Nexus 4 ? I bought my Atrix 6 months ago and I waited something like 6 months to buy it.
I think its worth a try to get a reply of what he thinks of helping us!
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I think its worth a try to get a reply of what he thinks of helping us!
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Besides that, i don't see so many posts about the kernel source there
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Besides that, i don't see so many posts about the kernel source there
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I think we should make this as a hot post and
make atrix users post comments for need of atrix ics or kernel in his g+:fingers-crossed:
Krystian Plonski posted about engineering atrixes with enabled uart on headset jack. Let's put a "+1" on his request!!
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Krystian Plonski posted about engineering atrixes with enabled uart on headset jack. Let's put a "+1" on his request!!
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https://plus.google.com/s/Krystian Plonski
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May I ask why are you still following Atrix threads and posting posts like this?! If you have or made decision to buy another phone, just buy it and leave others without your advises.
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Because I still use the Atrix, obviously. See how it does that nifty trick of saying what its sent with?
I'm not sitting here complaining about ICS for the Atrix. I use CM10 If you want ICS, get another phone. Very simple. Like me, I'm working overtime to buy another phone. But trying to spam a guy isn't going to get ICS on your phone.
And I should point out you are in the wrong place to tell someone they can't advise people abut phones.
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This is not first time that you're giving that kind of advice. Someone is not willing to work overtime or just can't. Someone just like Atrix size and features, doesn't need anything better... So many reasons.
Actually you're wrong. I had Desire. HTC announced that will not be GB update. Community was so loud that HTC change its mind. If a lot of people request, Motorola must do something. The worst thing is to do what you did, buy another phone (doesn't matter which vendor) because that's exactly what vendors wish!
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This is not first time that you're giving that kind of advice. Someone is not willing to work overtime or just can't. Someone just like Atrix size and features, doesn't need anything better... So many reasons.
Actually you're wrong. I had Desire. HTC announced that will not be GB update. Community was so loud that HTC change its mind. If a lot of people request, Motorola must do something. The worst thing is to do what you did, buy another phone (doesn't matter which vendor) because that's exactly what vendors wish!
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Buy Nexus. Problem solved. If you don't, don't expect updates. View them as miracles if they get pushed trough.
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I saw your post before you deleted. Read more carefully next time