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[Q]Will Focus work in the UK?

Hi all, it is my first thread at xda
I just want to confirm if the samsung focus will work in the UK for 3G. I apologise if this has been brought up already (I found a similar thread, which says it should work for UMTS 1900/2100, but I just want a confirmation)
Omnia 7 Bands: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Focus Bands: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
I wanted the Omnia 7 because of its better look, but I want to put all my songs into my phone so the Focus would be a better buy considering the possibility of getting a 32GB microSD card!
Thanks!

Well that would entirely depend on what carrier you connect. If you connect to a carrier that runs their 3G network on the 850MHz, 1900MHz, or 2100MHz band, you'll be fine.
Also you should note that 32GB cards in the Focus don't seem to be very reliable yet.

TheGuitarPlayer said:
Well that would entirely depend on what carrier you connect. If you connect to a carrier that runs their 3G network on the 850MHz, 1900MHz, or 2100MHz band, you'll be fine.
Also you should note that 32GB cards in the Focus don't seem to be very reliable yet.
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UK carriers do not use 850 and 1900 band. Although 2100Mhz 3G band is a common band for EU, if the particular carriers also uses 900 or 1800Mhz band, you maybe in trouble.

Thanks for the replies!!
In that case I will go for Omnia 7then, and get myself a MP3 player meanwhile. It's a shame that omnia 7 only has 8/16GB, even my omnia i900 can support 16+32 GB!!

You will find out that Focus doesn't really work well with majority of the microSD cards out there anyway.

is rogers or at&t best for fido

Have read the 54 pages of a thread but still not certain what is best way to go. Have a Fido grandfather plan and an iphone and wish to get a tab and use my sim with an adapter but dont know if I am best to start with a Rogers one or At&t and then unlock and root etc. Want to be able to use as phone and data hopefully on 3g as my iphone runs on 3g and best I have been able to determine Fido in Canada is 850 or 1900 gsm. Thanks in advance

Have been reading more and nobody seems to have a definitive answer so I will post what I think is how this works and hopefully somebody brighter than me will clarify it. This is all because the term 3g gets tossed around way too easily and this gets misinterpreted.
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900 are actually 3g meaning 3rd generation wireless technology but 2g for speeds
now is where it gets confusing
UMTS850, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS1900, UMTS2100 are 3g but faster speeds
now in the case of the Samsung Galaxy tab both the AT&T and the T mobile have the first 4 mentioned GSM 850,900,1800,1900 but the difference is in the UMTS speeds depending on the model GTP 1000 or SGH T849 SGH i987 GT 1000r combinations I have found are:
SGH i987 UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
SGH T849 UMTS1700, UMTS2100
GT P1000 UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
GT 1000r UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Now as I understand it
Bell, Telus, MTS, Fido, Rodgers use 850/1900UMTS for the faster speeds and the GSM for slower speeds then just to confuse it more Rodgers has what is called a 3.5g that runs on HSDPA but this shows as data links not voice.
Mobilicity, Videotron, and Wind use UMTS1700
So depending on where you live and which provider you use they all will do 2g but if you want a hope of faster 3g you need to start with the right model to hack as the modem frequencies are hardware chip based not change able with a simple software upgrade, so for me it seems either the Rogers supplied model which is called a GT1000r I think or an AT&T are the place to start.

Yes. Rogers or AT&T will work fine with Fido.
T-Mobile will work on Wind / Mobilicity.
Newer Bell and Telus devices will work on Fido too. (This is more gray, but my i9000m works great on Fido as one example)
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Can Any Unlocked SGS3 Work on Tmo's 4G?

can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?

Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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Sprint no, t mobile edge speeds. No good news as to whether more would be possible on t mobile.
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not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models. im not sure about the Sprint version.

I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.

accordex said:
Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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that didnt answer my question.
prankoy said:
not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models.
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so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?

bldon2 said:
that didnt answer my question.
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It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?
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That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.

That's not exactly true parts of Bellevue and Seattle Washington have been reformed too so I'm sure there's more areas
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AttachedSilver said:
I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.
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nope, there's only an sd card slot in the sprint variant, the sim card is embedded

bldon2 said:
that didnt answer question
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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tamasrepus said:
It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.
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he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.

Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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bldon2 said:
he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.
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Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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r3a1ist said:
Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
theraffman said:
Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?

bldon2 said:
he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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Never, probably… I don't have a source (you can Google it) but T-Mobile does not have enough spectrum in NYC to do much shuffling.
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bldon2 said:
i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
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You're not reading the thread, and/or are not understanding technical details. Answering your original question:
can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?
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No, it won't.
The Sprint model apparently does not work. The AT&T may work later this year depending on your area. Are you asking whether you want to make a $500+ bet that it will? That's up to you—I wouldn't.
i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
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I rarely get straight or correct answers from TMO's support, but yes—that's correct. What are you confused about?
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?
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1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.

tamasrepus said:
1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.
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its much less confusing now. thank you so much. its looks like the tmo tech guy i called was ignorant and didnt know what he was talking about. again, thanks.
one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?

bldon2 said:
one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?
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Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.

tamasrepus said:
Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.
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hi tamasrepus... just to let you know, when i called the tmo rep like i told you in my previous post, he said that the SGS3 will use LTE.. but after your answers discredited him, i dont believe him. i guess we got to wait and see.

theraffman said:
It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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But LTE is a gsm technology, currently sprints/Verizons phone (Verizon razr maxx works on international/att networks after a recent update) is a hybrid, but they have weird lte frequencies, I've read that all US carriers will have incompatible freqs, but qualcom is building a chip that does them all plus European ones.
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It's simple, T mobile phone works on At&t HSPA but not LTE. At&t phone works on its own HSPA and LTE but not T moble 1700 HSPA. We've been trying to see if we can make it work on t mobiles 1700 hspa band, no luck yet. To make matters more uncertain. T mobile says they're refarming their 2g/edge spectrum to work on At&t's 1900 HSPA band. The At&t phone out of the box would be able to pick up this 1900 HSPA t mobile refarm. Although reports of this actually occuring are sporadic and they also fired the CEO who's plan it is a couple weeks ago. LoL. If you get that, that's the complete break down. So here you go:
T mobile phone - Supports both T mobile and At&t HSPA 4g speeds, no LTE of any kind.
At&t phone- Supports At&t LTE and HSPA only right now, t mobile HSPA "may" be available for it's antenna's in the future.

N7100 or N7105

I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?

I am not sure, but in the fcc documents for the N7105 there's no mention of lte at all.
So I believe that the n7105 is the international without lte.
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If you live in the US, you want LTE. It's awesome in every respect. It's like having a FIOS line in the palm of your hand.

In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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mix1987 said:
In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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Correct! The models ending with 05 are LTE

nascar24usa said:
I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.

From what I can tell, even if you happen to buy out of country versions that are compatible for some LTE frequencies for example AT&T, it may not be as compatible as phones you would get from AT&T directly because of the mix and match LTE spectrums that AT&T and all other carriers have purchased. I'm guessing the days of importing International versions are over if you care about good LTE coverage.
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.
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Negri lists as follows:
Negri Electronics (Las Vegas) pre order lists the Note 2 as follows:
3G/4G bands 850 , 900 , 1900 , 2100
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
If accurate, this will work with ATT LTE, yes?

here is the lte version from hk web site but not yet official by samsung.
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=145083

according to what you can read here : http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
N7105 is LTE for LTE2600 (B7) and LTE800 (B20). Those frequencies have choosen for LTE in France

I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?

lawtq said:
I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?
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Unfortunately not. I believe that South Korean LTE is on 1800MHz. Post auction UK LTE frequencies are 800MHz and 2600MHz (these are the bands to be auctioned off before the end of 2012). However, it will likely work on EE's Interim LTE network.
Everything Everywhere will launch an 'interim 4G' solution, running LTE on some of its unused 1800MHz spectrum (from the T-Mobile/Orange Merger). This will be rolled out to 16 cities before the end of the year. EE 4G is up and running as we speak, but only for dongles, and one cannot yet buy a phone on contract from them.
Aside from that, O2 and Vodafone have lots of spectrum at 900MHz, depending on what they secure at 800MHz, they might ask ofcom to allow them to run LTE on 900MHz, likely siting ofcoms agreement to allow EE to run LTE on 1800MHz as ammunition!
Three (which only had 2100MHz spectrum since its a 3G only provider), has bought some 1800MHz spectrum off EE. They have not yet declared what they will use this for, but one would suspect limited 'interim 4G' like EE.
There are basically no phones out there at the moment that support both post-auction UK LTE frequencies (800MHz and 2600MHz). France apparently uses 800MHz and 2600MHz although only the latter is currently live. There is a note 2 variant on its way that does 800/2600MHz. Lots more will follow.
The problem we have in the UK, is that we might end up with 4 LTE bands: 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz and 2600MHz !!! No phones are going to be doing all this lot anytime soon. (I was wrong: Nokia Lumnia 920 does, Samsungs do not yet)
Additionally, what happens post-auction to EE's (and perhaps 3's) LTE network at 1800MHz - are they just going to shut it down (one would assume not!) If not then future phones for that network will need to do 800,1800 and 2600MHz. Will they cover the initial 16 cities with 800/2600MHz as well as 1800MHz to keep the early adopters happy?
UK LTE is a mess. Its partially DSO (TV digital switchover) that's to blame, but ofcom could have sold off the 2600MHz spectrum some time ago, and then done the 800MHz auctions after DSO. This is the way that France chose to run its auctions. If ofcom had done this then we could have had 4G 12-18 months ago, and we could not have ended up with half-way-house 1800MHz LTE from the likes of EE.
Anyway to answer your question, if you get any of EE's current phones: iPhone5, SGS3, Lumnia 920, (and, if they announce it, Note 2 - Korean) etc then these ONLY do 1800MHz LTE EE's 'Interim LTE' (and perhaps 700 and 2100MHz LTE - which are useless in UK). Early next year, EE will start to spread coverage outwith those initial 16 cities, but they will do this using the 800MHz and 2600MHz LTE they won at auction.
That phone you got from them wont work on these post-auction LTE frequencies. You'll likely be on a two year contract, paying dearly for the fact that you adopted LTE early since those that waited would enjoy much better LTE coverage from their later-generation phones. On top of that, your phone, not having the right radio's for UK LTE will be worth sweet FA on ebay!
The operator arguments over the 800 and 2600MHz bands have hardly started yet. If O2/Voda get permission to run LTE on their 900MHz spectrum (and are also allowed to bit on 800MHz), you can bet you house that the operators without 900MHz aint gonna be happy!
What really gets me regarding all the arguments, is that neither O2, vodafone nor (to a lesser extent) orange ever bothered to implement 3G properly. It works in cities, thats about it. Only Three and T-Mobile actually implemented a reasonable 3G network that covered most of the UK.
Personally, I would forget about LTE for 18 months until there is a viable network, and some viable hardware that is actually able to take advantage of all the LTE infrastructure no matter what frequency is happens to run on! I certainly would not be signing up with EE (or three if they do 1800MHz LTE) for 2 years, just to be the first - as there's good potential to get caught out 9-12 months down the line.
For the operators, there are other issues at 800MHz. Folk living close to base stations are likely to loose the freeview muxes that are sat in the low 800MHz. In simple cases, this is fixed by a filter, in other cases, it will require a new roof antenna, while for some other folks, it will require a switch from freeview-freesat. One of the conditions attached to the 800MHz spectrum is that the mobile operator needs to fix-up the TV signal's for any customer that is likely to be effected. This will also reduce the radiation patterns, and thus range of the base stations in certain directions. Ofcom will only allow switch-on of the BS once the MO has fixed up all potential TV reception issues. Its going to cost them a fortune!
NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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veletron said:
NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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I didn't realise just how many Note II variations have been / are being released!
GT-N7105
LTE2600 (B7), LTE800 (B20)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
SGH-i317
LTE700 (B17), LTE1700/2100 (B4)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3826&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i317_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SHV-E250S
LTE850 (B5)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3851&view=1&c=samsung_shv-e250s_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SPH-L900 (CDMA)
LTE1900 (B2), LTE1900 (B25)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3832&c=samsung_sph-l900_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SCH-R950 (CDMA)
LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1900 (B2), LTE700 (B12)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3877&c=samsung_sch-r950_galaxy_note_ii_lte
Reading the following suggests that the Korean version (N7105?) supports all three networks - SKT, KT and LG U+:
http://sammyhub.com/2012/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-note-ii-for-south-korea/
... and, according to the following article, the only frequency supported by KT is 1800Mhz:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/15...e-for-8001800-mhz-lte-service-on-next-iphone/
This would suggest that the Note 2 for Korea supports 800, 1800 & 2600Mhz.

Korean versions:
SK's SHV-E250S Supports Band 3 and 5
KT's SHV-E250K Supports Band 3 and 8
LG's SHV-E250U Supports Band 1 and 5

So basically if I'm on ATT here in the states with my Note 1, I should cool my jets and wait for the official US ATT version comes out instead of jumping the gun and getting an international version. Am I correct?

This GT-N7105 sold on NegriElectronics details these LTE bands:
Code:
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100

Unfortunately, I think Negri Electronics is misinformed over the specs of the N7105. Although they list the necessary LTE bands for AT&T, I believe that may be incorrect. According to Android Authority and the FCC, the N7105 does not support USA/Canada LTE bands sadly... I hope we're all proven wrong soon though!
Alternatively, assuming all other features and hardware of the AT&T/Rogers Note II are exactly the same as the international N7105, then it's likely possible that we can simply flash N7105 firmware out of the box, but continue to use the modem.bin from the carrier firmware for continued LTE functionality. That's what I did with my OG AT&T branded Galaxy Tab, and it worked brilliantly!
So, to recap:
1. Int'l N7105 is likely NOT North American LTE friendly :'(
2. North American carrier branded GSM/LTE Note 2's will likely have 99.9% identical hardware to Int'l N7105 (the .1% difference being the tweaked LTE radio and modem.bin driver file)
3. Possible workaround for North American users would be to get GSM carrier Note 2, retain modem.bin from carrier firmware, flash Int'l N7105 firmware, flash carrier modem.bin, and viola! North American LTE friendly Int'l Note 2!

Hmmm, I may have to contact them for clarification and cancel my order if that's the case.
Will update when I get feedback from them.
Edit: Talked with a Negri CS rep, and he suggested I cancel my pre-order and wait until they receive units to verify compatibility. That's what I have just done.

Engadget have a review up with the lte bands and model numbers. BUT
they don't list the 7105 as having band 1800 which is EEs network yet EE are set to sell the lte variant next week. :-/
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EE's LTE Variant
T-Mobile UK called me yesterday to confirm that they've received stock of the Note 2 LTE. I received a text to confirm that one of these is scheduled for delivery to my home within the next four hours (by midday UK time). Once it arrives, hopefully I can tell you exactly which bands in addition to band 3 (if any) are supported.

[Q] N910U not working in ATT LTE

Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even band 4 is the only band available in N910U.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show 4G. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.

tkcctkcc said:
Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even on band 4 is available in my area.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.
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The AT&T cell towers does not fully support Intel 7260 modem inside your Galaxy Note 4 device. Most, if not all, devices sold in the US use Qualcomm Gobi modems and Ericsson X modems. The only option I can think of is receiving a new authentication from the cell towers by asking AT&T for a new SIM card.

tkcctkcc said:
Hi Bros,
I got a gift from my Hong Kong friend which is Note 4 but is N910U, which is different from US ATT version N910A.
I check up the LTE band, N910U support the below cellular:
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1), LTE2100 (B1), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1800 (B3), LTE2600 (B7), LTE1900 (B2), LTE900 (B8), LTE700 (B28)
For ATT in my area, LTE mostly are using band 4 and band 17. Sure it should able to using ATT LTE even band 4 is the only band available in N910U.
However, I insert the ATT SIM card, it not going to LTE, mostly the top signal icon only show U+/U, seldom show 4G. Sure never have 4G LTE show up.
I call up ATT customer service and I also provide the IMEI # for them and see they can manual register this IMEI # into their database for LTE support, but they said this IMEI show non LTE support. Even they tell me the APN manual set up, also I x check with my existing unlock Oneplus One, but still cannot switch to 4G LTE band.
I also use LTE Discovery App to confirm my area what is the LTE band, I'm sure when I'm using band 4 on my Oneplus One, this N910U still not connected to band 4, just stay at U/U+ only.
I don't know should I need to talk to a more technical person in ATT? Or this is a business issue that ATT will not support unlock phone from outside even LTE band is matching ATT?
I need some advise from you, my wife love this phone as she are on Note 4 for 2 years and she like to use stylus too.
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I don't know where you got your info but I am sure it is wrong. According to Samsung on this site http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/mobile-phone/smartphone/smartphone/SM-N910UZWENZC
it does not support AT&T's LTE bands.

tkmobilesupport said:
The AT&T cell towers does not fully support Intel 7260 modem inside your Galaxy Note 4 device. Most, if not all, devices sold in the US use Qualcomm Gobi modems and Ericsson X modems. The only option I can think of is receiving a new authentication from the cell towers by asking AT&T for a new SIM card.
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So it is not related to N910U using Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5433? Is the modem itself? Or Exynos 5 Octa 5433 embedded the 7260 modem which is not support by ATT cell towers?
Let me go ATT shop to get a replacement SIM and see how it work or not. Thanks.
PS: I try to search the detail spec for N910U, it never point out using Intel 7260 modem, how to know the phone using the exact modem? So in future can understand more before getting new unlock phone. Thanks.

CodeNameRedNeck said:
I don't know where you got your info but I am sure it is wrong. According to Samsung on this site http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/mobile-phone/smartphone/smartphone/SM-N910UZWENZC
it does not support AT&T's LTE bands.
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Hi,
The link you post here is not Hong Kong, pls see the below official Samsung HK:
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/mobile/galaxy-note/galaxy-note/SM-N910UZWETGY
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B28(700)
So it absolutely support LTE band from ATT
another 3rd parties link:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&...g_sm-n910u_galaxy_note_4_lte-a_samsung_muscat

The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.

tkmobilesupport said:
The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.
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Thanks bros. So just a only customer (or few more) using N910U, ATT engineering team will not change their policy to accept other modems or work out some software upgrade program to accept other modem with 100% compatibility. So bad then.

tkmobilesupport said:
The issue is not from the exynos chipset, but the modem itself. I can assure you that SM-N910U comes with Intel 7260 LTE modem because I've been working with Samsung Software Engineers to develop kernels and drivers for this modem.
To clarify... AT&T engineers has programmed the towers in a way that make the towers reject certain modems because they cannot guarantee the compatiblity. What they are trying to do is to make you use a more stable HSPA+ connection rather than LTE connection that has issues with the modem because in the long run, AT&T will have to give you credit for service disruptions and they are not willing to do that.
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1 more, I search multiple tear down webpage, sure not yet find any one tear down N910U, but find a name Qualcomm MDM9225M, is this the one you talk about the modem?
PS: I search it, it is belong to Qualcomm Gobi modem chipsets. So if not using Qualcomm 805 as processor, that means they are not using Qualcomm chipset for thin modem and so ATT not going to support. Qualcomm dominate the US market then. Too bad.

tkcctkcc said:
Thanks bros. So just a only customer (or few more) using N910U, ATT engineering team will not change their policy to accept other modems or work out some software upgrade program to accept other modem with 100% compatibility. So bad then.
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No they will not. Unfortunately, that's how carriers in the U.S. do their jobs.
-->About the modem: If you are not using a Qualcomm Snapdragon 805, your device comes with either Intel 7260, Ericsson, or Samsung 300 modems. SM-N910U uses Intel.

Hi Bros,
As coming Galaxy S6 not using Snapdragon 810, but using Exynos 7420, so the modems also not using Qualcomm,. Do you know S6 using what modem? If S6 using Intel modem or other like what you said Ericsson, or Samsung 300 modems, ATT should change their software to support non Qualcomm modem, which means my N910U may able to use ATT 4G LTE support? Can you advise?

Based on my reading for months on here. N910C seems to be the only variant with exynos and supports AT&T LTE.
I bought mine about 2 weeks ago and so far I get LTE in most places.