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lets get the kernel source

Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
edit: 4:45 pm est 10-09-10
here is their response:
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

fastludeh22 said:
Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
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No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.

InGeNeTiCs said:
No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.
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well, you are right. maybe i shouldnt have done it lying in bed from my phone. so do US a favor and send a better one...
when re-reading it, i noticed 1 run on sentence. could you point out the other errors for me so i can improve my writing skills...

Mistakes marked as bold, corrections in parentheses. Also, some word changes made to make it sound like an adult wrote it
I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. Formal letters to companies should begin "To Whom It May Concern: As I'm sure your (you're) aware from other devices they have released, ie (i.e.) desire (the Desire), they are not releasing (htc has not been releasing) kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire (Desire,) it has been over 3 months (since the device was released) and to my knowledge is still not released, (and, to my knowledge, the kernel remains unreleased.) however my complaint today (However, my complaint today) is about (in regards to) the htc vision (Vision), known in the usa (USA) as the G2. This product was offically (officially) released on oct. 6 2010 (Oct. 6, 2010), with no source code available. When contacted about it (contacted regarding this), they (htc) said (that) it will (would) be 90-120 days before its (the code [or source code] is made) available. Maybe (perhaps) I'm wrong (mistaken), but(,) as my interpertations of the gpl according to my interpretation of GPL,) this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely. (Horrible closing sentence and "commercially" is misspelled and I believe you meant "purposefully")
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damn, i guess thats why i was always better at math, lol. i should have re-read it before sending it half asleep, but enough with the excuses. i see your point and that does sound better, HOWEVER, guess it was good enough for them, here is their response...
*also thanks to whoever else has sent, or will be sending emails to the proper channels
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

great idea -- sent this (edited and worded in my way, dont give a **** if its grammertikally inkorrect) from 6 gmails 3 yahoos 1 hotmail, one rocketmail, an earthlink, a comcast and a tmo.mail. and my law firm email, and just for hell, I faxed off a few to HTC Tmobile and to Apache on law firm letterhead (basic courtesy of notification) that how pissed i am -- this phone should have been delivered to us with first option after initial boot
"Hello dear customer, would you like to void your warranty right now and proceed to data wipe of our clunky bloaty bull****!!!!"
arrrgh

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i'm sorry,i just had to

Wow...
That's all I really have to say about this thread...
Sent from my HTC Vision

"To whom it may pertain to...
Just purchased a HTC T-mobile G2 aka HTC Vision and have been a avid HTC supporter for quite sometime. Ever since I owned my first HTC device the codenamed blueangel. The fact that HTC would work with the developer community pulled me toward your devices. I can't believe you guys (HTC) would lock down the successor to the device that helped you start the "open" revolution. I know it was most probably T-mobile that made you do it but that is besides the point. Especially since they have blamed you in the press. You have spit it the face of the developer community and shame on you and T-mobile. This protection will be broken I have no doubt of that but the fact that HTC put it there at all is what is in question. Please don't make this a race of protection...hack...protection...hack. OPEN means we should work together not against each other. So please do the right thing and help us either root these devices or give us the kernel source to help us along. Or even better do both of the above and show you respect the dev community like we all thought you did. Below I have included the first post of a stream that will become a torrent against HTC from the XDA devs.
Thanks for your cooperation."
Message I just sent HTC with a copy of the first post here. Don't care about grammar and neither will they if they receive enough complaints. We get enough people involved in this and it gets engadget or another blogs attention then maybe they will listen. This might be our only option considering the thinktank threads have gotten kinda quiet.

We cannot comment on whether or not HTC has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
Rooting the phone may open the phone up to virus attacks and other un-secure activities, as well as introduce intended functionality, and as such is very difficult for us to support.
We cannot comment on whether or not HTC, Google, or T-Mobile has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
All three companies work very closely to bring you the best experience on the phone possible.
I do understand how important it is to be able to use your device to the best of its capabilities.
We are not withholding the kernel; we are currently working through the legal channels that we must go through to make the kernel available to you. Each product is individually under review.
When the kernel is available, you will be able to find it on developer.htc.com. I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced, and thank you for your patience in this matter.
You can contact HTC Technical Support via telephone by calling 866.449.8658 between 6AM – 1AM EST, seven days a week.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW42ENA000115.
Sincerely,
Sarah
HTC
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That was a quick generic response. boo...hiss...

My reply to HTC
I understand the position of HTC to not comment on the situation at hand even though it has already been outed in the press by T-mobile that HTC did indeed lock the phone. So either you are saying that the T-mobile press release was a hoax and HTC did nothing with write protection or HTC just want's the problem to go away. As far as not wanting us to root because of unsafe activities.... Well I don't even know where to start with that comment. We are all big boys and girls and can handle the effect of our actions. It's like saying Toyota installed a system in my car that will only let a certified technician open the hood because I may insert washer fluid into the engine instead of oil. Most companies would love it if you would void your warranty. Does it not lead to less operating cost for HTC in the long run to not support it's products because the warranties are void? You don't want me to void my warranty then do as the GPS companies do and make a disclaimer that I have to read and agree to before I go any further. Also on the subject of voiding warranties did HTC not say that G2 had 4gb's of internal storage? Yet only 1.2gb are available for use because of this lock? Back to the car analogies. If Ford says your car has 200 horse power in the brochure and (AFTER!!!!) you buy it you learn that only 50 horse power is unlocked you might be a little angry. No? I understand the position of all big companies is to play dumb until something either is forgotten or legal channels make them play smart but I do have to say that I did not expect this out of HTC. This post isn't directed at you Sarah but merely my G2 and thousands of others crippled devices. If you could pass this and my prior message to someone higher up that might at least read it and think it over it would be greatly appreciated.
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Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App

DarrellRaines said:
You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
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What can I say, I'm idealistic.

IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
I did sign it, but I got no hopes...

tical2k said:
IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
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While litigation may be the way in the U.S. it is not the way in the land down under. We have Government appointed watchdogs that provide avenues for complaints and comments. If a complaint is sufficiently raised to an Ombudsman the company the complaint is about is charged a fee for every day the complaint is not resolved.
Unfortunately the Atrix is not commercially available in Australia and thus I cannot pursue this in a typical Australian way.
If suing the pants of Motorola is likely to work, then I encourage any U.S. Citizens to do so (but only after carefully considering the cause and affect).
I am simply encouraging everyone to focus their complaints rather than spreading it across so many channels and losing it's potency.
Also: in all honesty, it's not really wasting that much time, since I would normally be wasting this time flashing experimental Roms, which I can't do due to obvious readons.

Signed and linked to on Facebook. It's no more a waste of time than flashing a rom...
edit hehe. You beat me to the waste of time comment

Signed it just a second ago!

I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.

CC Lemon said:
I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.
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But there's no harm in trying is there?
I think that when compared with the DroidX and Droid2, this phone will be available around the world. Verizon is one of the only carriers that still uses CDMA and thus smaller consumer base for the Droid series Motorola phones.
Once the Global Atrix's are released we should see a lot more attention as well as the European Unions attitude towards anti-competitive behaviour might force an inquiry.
Once again, I'm a tad idealistic and am very keen for your support as well as your constructive feedback.

signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!

I support your cause; I have signed.

irenic said:
signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!
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Well put. I signed.

With the new SBF file available we could start seeing more development, but would still be great to hear something from Motorola.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989577

haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.

noblewolf said:
haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.
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Completely agree, but in all honesty, I had the time to waste.
The Dev's really are the ones that will get the bootloader unlocked or bypassed before motorola even decides to do anything.
The Dev threads are starting to get really exciting.
Sent from my MB860

Just a reminder to anyone who wants to get an official statement from Motorola to go to http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
and tweet or facebook to as many as you can.

Continuing the Battle
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
Dear Irwin,
I do apologize but there is no definite timeframe yet for the announcement of the bootloader solution for our mobile phones. Updates for the Motorola ATRIX will be posted first at http://www.motorola.com/Support/CA-EN/Consumer-Support/Mobile-Phones/ATRIX. I'm so sorry for that inconvenience.
We hope that you find this information useful and look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
Neil
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So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.

ikenley said:
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.
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"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.

dLo GSR said:
"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.
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Very concise point, but if you review this statement, then it's in context.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278
Which is all included in the Groubal.

Signed. Maybe someone should design a B&W 8.5x11 printout that can be posted at universities to drum up support... I'm in a CS program and I'm sure there are more than a couple who would take the 2 seconds necessary to sign- I just don't know any of them personally!

[The Petition]**We Need Your Support**

THE PETITION​Click the above to sign​
The current petition for Galaxy S users to get an ICS update from Samsung has taken on a new look, idea and plan of action. Theexel, Xriderx66, NOOB_IN_N33D and I have decided to spearhead this into a new realm. We are not alone in this. We are not the only Galaxy S users. We are not the only ones who want/need this update. Therefore the 4 of us have decided to revamp the petition to include all Galaxy S devices and not solely the Vibrant users.
Below is a copy of how the petition reads. We need your help. We want a link to this thread posted in as many XDA forums as possible and allowed. We are also wanting this to be posted in some outside forums to broaden our reach.
This is what we need from you. If you do help post in other forums, please use the standardized text in post #3. Please put in this thread where you posted it and if outside XDA, post the link. If we can get other devices on board with this, we will have a much better chance of being heard. This is our time. ICS is brand new and can be used on most of our devices. We just need them to give it to us.
Remember to post where you put yours so that we don't duplicate.
Post #2 – The Petition
Post #3 – A standardized header for posting this petition in Galaxy S forums as well as other device manufacturer forums.
Post #4 – News and References
Please keep this thread clean as it will be the point where any and all other forums will come to see our petition in the raw, as well as the direct link to it.
Thank you all for your time and respectfulness.
Spread the word.

The Petition​
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-were-asking-you-bring-the-galaxy-s-users-an-update​
Dear Sir or Madam,
We Galaxy S users would first like to take this opportunity to thank you for your commitment to excellence in your products and software. It is this type of forward thinking that will propel you further into the realm as truly one of the giants of the mobile telecommunications front-runners. It is in this assurance of merit that we ask for your time and consideration.
Recently many internet news agencies, blogs, forums,…have claimed that Samsung is reevaluating its stance on supplying Galaxy S phones with an update to the newest Android operating system platform, Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS-4.0). It is with great interest that we are monitoring this development and our intention to be on that update list.
With that being said, please allow us to give some background information as occurring over the past several months. Our main carrier for the Vibrant is T-Mobile. The Vibrant (Galaxy S) was at its release considered one of the flagship devices for both Samsung and T-Mobile. As such, many of these devices were sold to customers who in order to afford the device were required to sign a subsidized 2-year contract with T-Mobile. The Vibrant was released with the Android o/s 2.1 (Éclair) and was catapulted into the top ranks of the smartphone technology. Since then, the Vibrant has fallen into the mediocre category as technology has driven faster and further than many have expected. While the specifications of the Vibrant are comparable to that of Google’s Nexus S handset, it had not been scheduled for an upgrade at all. Only through perseverance did it receive the Froyo (2.2) o/s, only to be provided news accounts that the Gingerbread (2.3) o/s would not be delivered to our handset. Needless to say, we were happy with our upgrade; however the fact that without an upgrade to Gingerbread (which our handset supposedly has the optimization needed), we the end-users were, to our dismay, essentially stranded at that point.
As we all know, the Android operating system is open source, meaning that the kernel developed for Android falls under a General Public License (G.P.L.) which allows many developers to create their own custom ROMs, freely and openly. This very business savvy approach is one of the things that many end-users absolutely love about Android. It is also why the Android smartphone is one of the fastest developing, most customizable and highly regarded devices in recent history. Recently the CyanogenMod team has dropped its support for our device due to a potentially dangerous development regarding the 911/e911 issues in the code for the device. (see articles at CNET, Engadget and PCWorld) Being open source does not mean the proprietary files are to be divulged. And we understand that. One of the reasons that CyanogenMod team decided to drop support for the Vibrant is because it could not get the source from Samsung directly to alleviate the 911/e911 issue and in good conscience they decided that they could not endorse a product that had potentially fatal implications. We applaud them however we are a bit unnerved as well because we were dropped, yet again.
A custom ROM is not what we are looking for with this petition. What we are looking for is your consideration and hopefully favorable decision to provide the many Galaxy S users with a reliable, safe, state-of-the-art device that will rival any of its competitors. Since many of us are still locked into the subsidized contracts, simply purchasing a new handset is not an option for many of us.
We thank you for your time, patience and exceedingly high quality of product, support and technology.
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***The issue with the 3rd paragraph about how the Vibrant was released with 2.1 and then we fought for 2.2 only to be denied GB/ICS is in there to paint the picture of how consumer support has failed. It is specific to the Vibrant but the picture is for all Galaxy S users.
The CM team portion leaving the Vibrant is a problem (911/e911) that effects us all. For some reason they just dropped ONLY the Vibrant from their supported devices list b/c of this issue.

Galaxy S Devices - A standardize copy/paste to appear in the Galaxy S forums’ General category. It needs to have a direct link to this thread, as well as the petition itself.
As Galaxy S owners, we are all united. As Android users we are all united. As far as Samsung is concerned we are all NOT created equal. Our device, the Vibrant (SGH-T959), is now being left to the wayside for any future updates from Samsung even though our core specs are extremely similar to the Google Nexus S, which has already received the ICS update. The CyanogenMod team has left us due to the on-going issue of 911/e911 and the lack of the proper code from Samsung to alleviate a potentially fatal result of a custom ROM. It is our intentions to serve Samsung with a petition asking for the update to ICS, which will in-turn, alleviate the 911/e911 issue as well.
We are asking all Galaxy S users to sign this petition to get Samsung to reconsider giving all top end Galaxy S devices the ICS update. Please help us with our goal and sign the petition. If you are on a Galaxy S phone, this affects you too.
Thank you for reading this and please see this link for more details and this link to sign the petition.
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Non Galaxy S Devices - Now this one is tricky. Many times spouses, girl/boyfriends, roommates may have different phones than yourself. There is nothing wrong with that. Chances are that whatever device they do have, there is a forum for it. This is the canned response for any non-Galaxy S type phone, as well as non-Samsung devices. If you decide to enlist other manufactures, please post this exact verbiage and links directly to this page (**Not the petition itself, as we don’t want any accidental signatures **).
We have all decided to purchase a phone running on the Android operating system. It is in this choice that we are now linked. Our device manufacturer has left us behind. Recently they (Samsung) has let it be known that they will be willing to reconsider updating all Galaxy S devices to Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS). Most of our devices never received the Gingerbread update and while our development community is packed with talented individuals and teams, they lack the necessary code for some such basic functions as 911/e911 (the CyanogenMod team has dropped the Samsung Vibrant from its list of supported devices, indefinitely due to the potentially fatal 911/e911 issue).
Below is a link to a petition that we are asking Android users to sign. This petition to get Samsung to reconsider giving all top end Galaxy S devices the ICS update. Please help us with our goal and sign the petition. As Android users we all are, we are asking you to unite with us in our journey and goal.
Thank you for reading this and please see this link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427969) for more details.
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News and References
Cnet - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57343479-93/for-samsung-vibrant-no-911-means-no-android-mod/
Engadget – http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/16/cyanogenmod-team-bails-on-samsung-vibrant-cites-inability-to-di/
PCworld - http://www.pcworld.com/article/2463...ant_support_citing_inability_to_dial_911.html
Android Central - http://www.androidcentral.com/no-samsung-ics-value-pack-coming
Click and Read parts 1(why we won’t get it) and 3 (who does and who doesn’t).
The "Nobody knows what the hell's going on with the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab," saga continues today (see Part 1 and Part 2, Part 3) with the latest news now being that Samsung has no intentions of delivering a "Value Pack" upgrade. According to a Samsung source who spoke to The Next Web:
Samsung "will not offer the update due to the hardware specifications of the older Galaxy devices, in that they are limited to and fully optimised for the Gingerbread experience."
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That'll likely frustrate some Galaxy S owners but realistically, it's not in anyway surprising. As for the Galaxy Tab, while it's not mentioned specifically -- it's safe to assume that's lumped in there as well. Luckily, there is plenty of custom ROM's floating around to keep you busy if you're that upset over the matter.
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Possible Death Blows
Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/samsung-galaxy-s-ice-cream-sandwich_n_1183578.html
ComputerWorld - http://blogs.computerworld.com/19513/samsung_galaxy_s_ice_cream_sandwich?source=rss_blogs

Links to Samsung Twitter/Facebook/Google+:
Twitter:
- twitter.com/samsungtweets
- twitter.com/samsungmobileus
- https://twitter.com/SamsungJohn
- https://twitter.com/DigitalTrends
Facebook:
- www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA
- www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUSA
Google+:
- https://plus.google.com/114303379611712597260/posts

Posted in main XDA-General Forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21141472#post21141472
Android Police -
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...nlock-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-165787
Phandroid.com/ - submitted request as News Tips. Just waiting on email confirmation from them. Once I get that, I will post the link.
Seanknighton posted in the HTC EVO 4G thread and they are running with it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431851
Nabeel10 posted in Wiihacks
http://www.wiihacks.com/android-phon...r-support.html
Taxiozaurus Posted in AndroidPit forum
http://www.androidpit.com/en/android...dwitch#p931894
Plus they put us on the News Page with a pretty good endorsement
http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/402147/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
I-9000 just got the Value-Pack leaked yesterday (1/6/12). Here is the link.
We've got their attention!!!!
From the Epic 4G thread
Zeinzu said:
Samsung keeps removing my wall posts about it this.
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flastnoles11 said:
Mine to... I'm gonna keep putting them up until they get tired of taking theem down
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Remember to post where you put yours so that we don't duplicate.

As of 1/5/2012 all active Recognized Vibrant Developers should have received a letter from me about this petition. Hopefully they will help in promoting the awareness of our petition by adding a notice to the top of their thread OP's. So if you find that your favorite rom or kernel thread is containing a big red notice with a link to this thread please show them some appreciation and hit their thanks button...
Here's a list of developer supporters -
nickmcminn60
miui-us
neobuddy98 (Didn't post the banner, but he does have a link to the petition in his ICS thread)
> Petition Status: 3,341+ SIGNATURES <​________________
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MY GUIDE'S:
Guide- Easily Flash MIUI for Vibrant + Themes/Modems/Kernels/ and more! | Guide/List- Best Free Apps For Your Rooted Device
If I have helped you please clickity-klack on that 'thanks' button ↘
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Good job you guys, this is excellent! Ill be sure to help the best I can!
SO SHOULD YOU! Yeah I'm talking to you, the one who just read this thread and ignored it. Just do it
Sent from my Vibrant

WHERE PETITION HAS BEEN POSTED​
POSTED IN ALL GALAXY S FORUMS:
Captivate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21030486#post21030486
Epic 4G
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21030502#post21030502
Fascinate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21030513#post21030513
Galaxy S I9000
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21030530#post21030530
Galaxy S 4G (or Vibrant +) (thanks to n00b)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21148623#post21148623
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Posted in Evo: (thanks to seanknighton)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431851
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Good stufff
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Last I checked we are at 810. Thread was getting pushed down on page, so this is a bump too sort of.

Actually, there are 950+ as of now! (Keeping track of the signatures in my post on the first page ). Also this thread should be stickied.

N00B_IN_N33D said:
Actually, there are 858 as of now! (Keeping track of the signatures in my post on the first page ). Also this thread should be stickied...
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+1
Sent from my SGH-T959 using xda premium

I added my name to the list...
Still wonder why Samsung likes to say it won't run, when clearly it does. they should just dump touchwiz.

signed
Been flashing since Axura, happy to sign, Vibrant needs to be shown more love.

We need to get this viral!
I was at the local library and got like 8 people to sign. Haha

Holy crap we reached 903! ★___★
Sent from my Vibrant

Just wanted to say...signed

Deleted this post since thread was moved and combined with another.
Department of Redundancy Department

Here is the link to the Evo thread I started
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431851
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Guys u have to read this!!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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bgaccord said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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I bet every company does that... Samsung may be more since they have lot more to spend than others.
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wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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oh and that make me feel better for ordering the one being better phone, samsung scared.

Haha! Looks like LG is doing the same thing? Just joking!!!!!!!
iraqgsm said:
wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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Anyways internet savy people, non samsung fanboys and smart people are already aware of this. Eversince this was publicized.

iraqgsm said:
wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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oh and that make me feel better for ordering the one being better phone, samsung scared.
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OT: samsung led tv is never better than LG's, let alone a sony bravia led tv.
Anyway, about the OP, i guess samsung got insecured by the One. Or should i say it's their natural strategy? Now i know why people called them as 'Shamesung'. Shame on them.

This has already been mentioned, try the One mega threads, it was spoke about in detail there.

bgaccord said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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This to me shows that clearly the One is the better phone out of the two because otherwise Samsung wouldn't need to be doing such pathetic things..
Majority of reviews from normal consumers on the one are the highest I have ever seen the. So many 5 star ratings from general users is just unreal!
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bgaccord said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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haha pathetic!!

For all of Samsung's preaching during their Apple lawsuit about how competition should be kept to the marketplace and the quality of the products, this is pretty ironic.

So they cant boost the sale of the SGS3 / SGS4 any other ways due to them being such Crap handsets, instead they have to put other people down? Wow. . . i know there is competition, but thats just rude!

Crab mentality. "If we (Shamesung) can't beat them (HTC, et al) to the top, we'll just drag them down". Ridiculous.

dobknobby said:
So they cant boost the sale of the SGS3 / SGS4 any other ways due to them being such Crap handsets, instead they have to put other people down? Wow. . . i know there is competition, but thats just rude!
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I wouldn't call them crap handsets, they are far from crap. The S3 is an incredible handset. But the S4 is disappointing to say the least in the sense that it's meant to be a big step up from the S3 but it's not really anything more then an S3+
Calling them crap though is fanboyish and stupid
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angeloalonzo01 said:
Crab mentality. "If we (Shamesung) can't beat them (HTC, et al) to the top, we'll just drag them down". Ridiculous.
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Could be worse, they could haven taken apples approach of 'if we can't best them let's legally slap them in hope it causes them to fail'
Tbh Samsung would have had to pay a monumental amount of people to jade the review scores of the HTC One, it is probably one of the best phones to ever be released and it's reviews and heavy demand are proof of that.
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Cheap tactics. Glad BBC wrote about it.

It's certainly in mixed-use forums as well. Before and up until shortly after the S4 presentation, Samsung was getting creamed in forums (like the Verge Android section). Very few people defending them, and I should know - I defended my S3 when I felt it was necessary. At some point around the time the One reviews starting coming in, the focus shifted to bashing HTC.
I've never seen anything like it. A complete polar shift.

godofwar424 said:
I wouldn't call them crap handsets, they are far from crap. The S3 is an incredible handset. But the S4 is disappointing to say the least in the sense that it's meant to be a big step up from the S3 but it's not really anything more then an S3+
Calling them crap though is fanboyish and stupid
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Could be worse, they could haven taken apples approach of 'if we can't best them let's legally slap them in hope it causes them to fail'
Tbh Samsung would have had to pay a monumental amount of people to jade the review scores of the HTC One, it is probably one of the best phones to ever be released and it's reviews and heavy demand are proof of that.
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So... do you own a Samsung by Any chance?
I aint a HTC Fanboy, however i do love HTC. I used to like Samsung until the S2 and S3. . . if you have a look at my sig, you can see what samsungs i have owned. . . i called them crap upon personal experiance. . . Its not fanboyish at all. . . that my preferance. . .
I dont troll over the Samsung forums slating them, i dont slate them to anyone else. . . just this time. . . hmm...

Surly Samsung is more since they have lot more to spend than others.There market share is good and there goodwill is stable.

arnolldde said:
Surly Samsung is more since they have lot more to spend than others.There market share is good and there goodwill is stable.
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Huh......what

Seriously, this is the worst thread title I've ever seen on these forums. It reads like spam.
Please update the title to reflect the content of the thread.

The-Last-Hylian said:
This has already been mentioned, try the One mega threads, it was spoke about in detail there.
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And it was a year ago for the SGS3's launch. Here's the detail from the thread that it was discussed in. Using freelancers to promote products virally is risky and a lot of companies don't do it because it's so hard to control. HTC's using viral marketing heavily this year and the same thing could happen to them. In both cases it doesn't mean that Samsung or HTC endorse slamming competitors and most likely the agreements the freelancers sign strictly prohibit it. But the people posting aren't professionals and have no ties to the company their blogging to promote other than a one-time check. No company wants to sell products so badly that they'd intentionally risk their credibility and reputations by instructing their employees or contractors to slam a competitor. In Samsung’s case in TW you’re talking about selling an additional 2MM phone is 2012 when they sold 250MM which is less than 1% of their sales.
jesr said:
There's a huge controversy right know in Taiwan tech forums because of this.
Long story short, Samsung was caught manipulating most popular forums and mass media against Taiwan OEMs through a subsidiary company (http://www.opentide.com.tw). Actions such as flood forums with negative posts, FUD, multiple accounts by the same user ditching on HTC, Acer etc.
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Wow. Pretty distorted representation. What Samsung did and apologized for was using viral and social media and making the opinions expressed by individuals look as if they were personal and not sponsored by Samsung. It was also for the launch of the SGS3 last year. The link you posted contains the 61 page PowerPoint deck prepared by OpenTide, the local marketing company Samsung engaged, explaining the viral campaign and not once in it is a competitor mentioned. It discusses the timing of various local events and the messaging the bloggers should use to hype various features of the SGS3.
The ethics of companies sponsoring viral programs that make the opinions expressed look unsolicited is kind of a grey area. HTC's said they plan on using viral campaigns to promote the One this year so they’re up against the same ethics questions. It's totally possible that some of the individuals posting on behalf of companies go off script and trash competitors but there's a big difference between that and the company sponsoring the program telling them to. Is there anything other than those links you posted that are more current or having anything to do with the One or SGS4?
Here's the action plan from the PowerPoint translated.
Here's a link to the 61 page PPT (in Chinese) if anyone wants to see it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73155531/S3_Viral Plan_0629.pptx
jesr said:
You can also see a glimps of this controversy
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The only reason this interested me is that it really didn't make a lot of sense. There are 9MM smartphones a year sold in TW. Because HTC, Asus, and Acer are the "home town" teams it wouldn't seem that Samsung being Korean would ever "own" the market. They had 29% of the TW market last year so what would they have to gain by potentially risking their reputation worldwide in a "controversy?" Selling 2MM more devices in TW when they sold 250MM last year?
There's huge risk for any company in using bloggers to represent the company as you lose control of the message and can't prevent individuals from potentially saying things that reflect poorly on you. The same thing happened in Mainland China with a couple of companies. Paying people to say good things about a company or product isn't wrong per se and with social being so important it's done all the time. Do the people we see in TV commercials actually use or care about the products their pitching? But since bloggers are freelancers and don't work for any specific company it's easy for the messaging to get out of control which is what the examples you posted show. Welcome to the 21st century.
HTC and Samsung UK employees dissed each other on Twitter. I guarantee you the employees weren't speaking for HTC or Samsung corporate and were probably reprimanded. Trashing a competitor outwardly reflects as poorly on the trashor as it does on the trashee. And multibillion dollar companies know and respect that.
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And this is pretty good representation of how the Taiwanese feel about non-Taiwanese phone manufacturers. Can you imagine if the head of the U.S. Treasury proclaimed that all U.S. citizens should buy Motorola phones? Manufacturers importing and competing in the U.S. would go nuts. "Free trade" is just that and protecionism isn't an answer to solving the ills of troubled companies or industries.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."​
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html

BarryH_GEG said:
And it was a year ago for the SGS3's launch. Here's the detail from the thread that it was discussed in. Using freelancers to promote products virally is risky and a lot of companies don't do it because it's so hard to control. HTC's using viral marketing heavily this year and the same thing could happen to them. In both cases it doesn't mean that Samsung or HTC endorse slamming competitors and most likely the agreements the freelancers sign strictly prohibit it. But the people posting aren't professionals and have no ties to the company their blogging to promote other than a one-time check. No company wants to sell products so badly that they'd intentionally risk their credibility and reputations by instructing their employees or contractors to slam a competitor. In Samsung’s case in TW you’re talking about selling an additional 2MM phone is 2012 when they sold 250MM which is less than 1% of their sales.
Wow. Pretty distorted representation. What Samsung did and apologized for was using viral and social media and making the opinions expressed by individuals look as if they were personal and not sponsored by Samsung. It was also for the launch of the SGS3 last year. The link you posted contains the 61 page PowerPoint deck prepared by OpenTide, the local marketing company Samsung engaged, explaining the viral campaign and not once in it is a competitor mentioned. It discusses the timing of various local events and the messaging the bloggers should use to hype various features of the SGS3.
The ethics of companies sponsoring viral programs that make the opinions expressed look unsolicited is kind of a grey area. HTC's said they plan on using viral campaigns to promote the One this year so they’re up against the same ethics questions. It's totally possible that some of the individuals posting on behalf of companies go off script and trash competitors but there's a big difference between that and the company sponsoring the program telling them to. Is there anything other than those links you posted that are more current or having anything to do with the One or SGS4?
Here's the action plan from the PowerPoint translated.
Here's a link to the 61 page PPT (in Chinese) if anyone wants to see it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73155531/S3_Viral Plan_0629.pptx
The only reason this interested me is that it really didn't make a lot of sense. There are 9MM smartphones a year sold in TW. Because HTC, Asus, and Acer are the "home town" teams it wouldn't seem that Samsung being Korean would ever "own" the market. They had 29% of the TW market last year so what would they have to gain by potentially risking their reputation worldwide in a "controversy?" Selling 2MM more devices in TW when they sold 250MM last year?
There's huge risk for any company in using bloggers to represent the company as you lose control of the message and can't prevent individuals from potentially saying things that reflect poorly on you. The same thing happened in Mainland China with a couple of companies. Paying people to say good things about a company or product isn't wrong per se and with social being so important it's done all the time. Do the people we see in TV commercials actually use or care about the products their pitching? But since bloggers are freelancers and don't work for any specific company it's easy for the messaging to get out of control which is what the examples you posted show. Welcome to the 21st century.
HTC and Samsung UK employees dissed each other on Twitter. I guarantee you the employees weren't speaking for HTC or Samsung corporate and were probably reprimanded. Trashing a competitor outwardly reflects as poorly on the trashor as it does on the trashee. And multibillion dollar companies know and respect that.
And this is pretty good representation of how the Taiwanese feel about non-Taiwanese phone manufacturers. Can you imagine if the head of the U.S. Treasury proclaimed that all U.S. citizens should buy Motorola phones? Manufacturers importing and competing in the U.S. would go nuts. "Free trade" is just that and protecionism isn't an answer to solving the ills of troubled companies or industries.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."​
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html
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Well htc They didn't pay student kids to defend their beloved products, btw I never had an htc phone before but I ordered the one and this article is really disturbing as many of the negative reviews or my htc phone broke or dents or whatever made people think twice even myself, but I guess some of what is been said against htc where not true due paid and non paid fanboys.

Motorola Failure to Meet Update Commitments; Petition.

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As many owners of Motorola's Atrix, Atrix HD, Moto E and other models know all too well...
- Motorola has not maintained an organized or regular update cycle for their devices.
- Motorola has repeatedly broken vague promises and hard commitments to update devices.
- This includes cases where the updates were promised on the Motorola website.
- This includes a case where the update was released with details posted on-line but was not actually delivered to the devices stated.
- There has been an instance where an OTA that was a 5.0.x update was displayed as 5.1.x when being installed.
- Some of the affected devices are not service provider branded (just Moto) so Motorola cannot blame the SP as they have in the past.
Picking up on an idea considered when Motorola backed out of their commitment to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop last year, an on-line petition has been created to let Motorola know this is not right. It is focused on the Moto E but is crafted so it can be signed by anyone who has been betrayed by Motorola's failed update commitments or want to see a better way of handling updates. If there is any resolution as a result of this petition, it is unlikely to extend far but we can still let them know about it.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course feel free to share details about pertinent experiences here in this thread but if you want Motorola to hear it, sign the petition and share the link to it. Also, For the Moto E you can make it known here at the Moto thread where details about the Moto E update are posted https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?page=1.
Motorola once was, and should still be, capable of better than this!
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Nov 1, 2016, Greetings:
Motorola. Has finally updated most of the Moto E line to Android Marshmallow. Even some of the devices thought to be left off the update list (such as US retail single sim XT1511) eventually got Marshmallow, although sadly only after many boot-loaders were unlocked. Also, this Change.org petition for Moto E has been automatically closed (naturally expired), which was timely because it serves no purpose anymore, so I'll leave it expired and will ask to have this thread closed. I thank all who participated with signatures or in spirit. It was small in scope but every little bit helps.
One last thing: Although Moto E has been updated, Motorola has not mended it's poor updating ways and have done something similar (even worse by many measures) to yet another device, the Moto G3. There is a petition for that described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015...sprey-t3476321 which I encourage all affected to sign.

You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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starkly_raving said:
You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.

Signed and shared.

IronTechmonkey said:
If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.
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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.

Signed!

Ace42 said:
Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.
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Another good idea. Thanks!

I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Semseddin said:
I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.

I miss IDEN.

nobreak1970 said:
I miss IDEN.
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What am I missing here?
[EDIT] Oh, I see. You're going old school as well. Nice.

IronTechmonkey said:
Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.
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I haven't organized a petition like this before but participated for atrix 4g ics update and xt910 bootloader unlock petitions back in time, the electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k and motorola didnt give the smallest damn about those, just igroned us. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time to tame a liar company in a friendly manner, not worth it. They dont listen to their customers at all. I also like motorola hardware and that is where it ends for me, everything else in motorola just have the stinkny worst smell of all. Their marketing, service team, software team are all the worst but they used to have good engineers, not sure if they still have them looking at their 2015 portfolio can be called at best pathetic.
Hope you guys get the updates you deserve for your devices though. Just dont buy anything else branded motorola in future, this will teach them better how to behave as a responsible company when they dont see money flowing into their vault.
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.....electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k...
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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
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. .. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time...
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Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.

Not really surprised by this sadly.

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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.
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Whatever, live your dream. Here is your numbers. Operation mosh, signed by 16k
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
Now, you got ur numbers. Those petitions were for phones in premium range above 400$. Motorola just ignored them. You believe motorola would give a damn about your 50$ phone? Good luck with your dreams.
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...Operation mosh, signed by 16k https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Impressive that they got 16k and I agree with it in principal but that is a request to unlock bootloader, against which Motorola (and other device manufacturers) are well insulated legally. The same is not necessarily the case for provably failed published commitments to provide a product or service.
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Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
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A well presented case with good coverage but again, it is for getting an unlocked bootloader which is a steeper uphill battle.
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....Good luck with your dreams....
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Thank you for the warm wishes, and for the details of the other actions, which I did find informative, helpful, and actually encouraging (although I still have modest hopes).

i am impressed the poll has 80 / 100 right now cool !
I wouldn't have had to rip my hair out today trying to install v5.1 onto my Moto-E if they update with my oem (Telus)
It sucks because i just wanted to run the stock rom
I got it installed but no matter what i tried i couldn't get the provider connection back for calls/txt's
What a drag too ..i swear it started up and ran fast than 5.0.2 (what i went back to)
Thank god i made a TWRP backup before meddling with things..
So hell yeah i voted
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It's totally stupid they only updated *some of the oem's with 5.1
that is a massive slap in the face to those of us who missed out on v5.1 Lollipop !

I won't buy Motorola any more

Just a bit of an update. The petition now has 120 signatures which tells me that people must be sharing the link. Thanks to everyone who has signed and circulated it! I don't know what that really means in terms of the ability to exert some commercial pressure on Motorola but it does indicate that there are many people impacted by this, especially when you consider that there are likely large #s of people using the affected devices who don't participate in forums like this.
When I first gathered contact information for the petition, Motorola Customer Service provided an email address for the CEO that turned out to be incorrect. Fortunately I had others and sent a test email to see which would be rejected as invalid before creating the petition. Considering that experience, I've started searching outside the Moto support track for names and contact information for all of the Moto executives and departments that I can find to widen the target.
Thanks again to all who've signed, circulated, and provided constructive input.
[EDIT] Shared by user hyzteric at the Moto "excuse making forum" https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?commentId=1000234#1000234 is news that the Mote E is still being sold which is really low.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-either-update-moto-e-or-stop-selling-it
I already knew this but had not considered the ramifications. They are still sticking it to new purchasers of those devices. Lower than low!

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Soooo, although we differ on the merits of a petition we are in the same boat (betrayed by Moto) even if we may disagree on how to navigate it, and I must thank you for the details of the actions to which you referred. While hunting down email addresses of Moto's executives I also found the addresses from one of those previous actions. Between the ones I found that were not on that list and the ones from that list we now have a wider target for the petition.
Seriously - Thanks!
One thing I hope we have going for us this time is that it was/is not illegal for Motorola to decline to share their source code, but what they did this time might actually be illegal or at least actionable in a commercial sense.