Guys u have to read this!! - One (M7) General

Guys u have to read this!! - One (M7) General

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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bgaccord said:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606
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I bet every company does that... Samsung may be more since they have lot more to spend than others.
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wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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oh and that make me feel better for ordering the one being better phone, samsung scared.

Haha! Looks like LG is doing the same thing? Just joking!!!!!!!
iraqgsm said:
wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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Anyways internet savy people, non samsung fanboys and smart people are already aware of this. Eversince this was publicized.

iraqgsm said:
wow so classy samsung, i had one of their UN46ES7500 led tv and shelled couple thousands on it, it was peice of **** between on/off for no reason to green line down the bottom and the customer no service rude and tell me basically that it is not covered by warranty, thankfully amazon took it back and i bought lg led tv much better.
so yes i would expect they do such a behavior.
sorry if im off topic but i never get samsung phone after that.
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oh and that make me feel better for ordering the one being better phone, samsung scared.
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OT: samsung led tv is never better than LG's, let alone a sony bravia led tv.
Anyway, about the OP, i guess samsung got insecured by the One. Or should i say it's their natural strategy? Now i know why people called them as 'Shamesung'. Shame on them.

This has already been mentioned, try the One mega threads, it was spoke about in detail there.

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This to me shows that clearly the One is the better phone out of the two because otherwise Samsung wouldn't need to be doing such pathetic things..
Majority of reviews from normal consumers on the one are the highest I have ever seen the. So many 5 star ratings from general users is just unreal!
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haha pathetic!!

For all of Samsung's preaching during their Apple lawsuit about how competition should be kept to the marketplace and the quality of the products, this is pretty ironic.

So they cant boost the sale of the SGS3 / SGS4 any other ways due to them being such Crap handsets, instead they have to put other people down? Wow. . . i know there is competition, but thats just rude!

Crab mentality. "If we (Shamesung) can't beat them (HTC, et al) to the top, we'll just drag them down". Ridiculous.

dobknobby said:
So they cant boost the sale of the SGS3 / SGS4 any other ways due to them being such Crap handsets, instead they have to put other people down? Wow. . . i know there is competition, but thats just rude!
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I wouldn't call them crap handsets, they are far from crap. The S3 is an incredible handset. But the S4 is disappointing to say the least in the sense that it's meant to be a big step up from the S3 but it's not really anything more then an S3+
Calling them crap though is fanboyish and stupid
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Crab mentality. "If we (Shamesung) can't beat them (HTC, et al) to the top, we'll just drag them down". Ridiculous.
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Could be worse, they could haven taken apples approach of 'if we can't best them let's legally slap them in hope it causes them to fail'
Tbh Samsung would have had to pay a monumental amount of people to jade the review scores of the HTC One, it is probably one of the best phones to ever be released and it's reviews and heavy demand are proof of that.
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Cheap tactics. Glad BBC wrote about it.

It's certainly in mixed-use forums as well. Before and up until shortly after the S4 presentation, Samsung was getting creamed in forums (like the Verge Android section). Very few people defending them, and I should know - I defended my S3 when I felt it was necessary. At some point around the time the One reviews starting coming in, the focus shifted to bashing HTC.
I've never seen anything like it. A complete polar shift.

godofwar424 said:
I wouldn't call them crap handsets, they are far from crap. The S3 is an incredible handset. But the S4 is disappointing to say the least in the sense that it's meant to be a big step up from the S3 but it's not really anything more then an S3+
Calling them crap though is fanboyish and stupid
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Could be worse, they could haven taken apples approach of 'if we can't best them let's legally slap them in hope it causes them to fail'
Tbh Samsung would have had to pay a monumental amount of people to jade the review scores of the HTC One, it is probably one of the best phones to ever be released and it's reviews and heavy demand are proof of that.
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So... do you own a Samsung by Any chance?
I aint a HTC Fanboy, however i do love HTC. I used to like Samsung until the S2 and S3. . . if you have a look at my sig, you can see what samsungs i have owned. . . i called them crap upon personal experiance. . . Its not fanboyish at all. . . that my preferance. . .
I dont troll over the Samsung forums slating them, i dont slate them to anyone else. . . just this time. . . hmm...

Surly Samsung is more since they have lot more to spend than others.There market share is good and there goodwill is stable.

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Surly Samsung is more since they have lot more to spend than others.There market share is good and there goodwill is stable.
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Huh......what

Seriously, this is the worst thread title I've ever seen on these forums. It reads like spam.
Please update the title to reflect the content of the thread.

The-Last-Hylian said:
This has already been mentioned, try the One mega threads, it was spoke about in detail there.
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And it was a year ago for the SGS3's launch. Here's the detail from the thread that it was discussed in. Using freelancers to promote products virally is risky and a lot of companies don't do it because it's so hard to control. HTC's using viral marketing heavily this year and the same thing could happen to them. In both cases it doesn't mean that Samsung or HTC endorse slamming competitors and most likely the agreements the freelancers sign strictly prohibit it. But the people posting aren't professionals and have no ties to the company their blogging to promote other than a one-time check. No company wants to sell products so badly that they'd intentionally risk their credibility and reputations by instructing their employees or contractors to slam a competitor. In Samsung’s case in TW you’re talking about selling an additional 2MM phone is 2012 when they sold 250MM which is less than 1% of their sales.
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There's a huge controversy right know in Taiwan tech forums because of this.
Long story short, Samsung was caught manipulating most popular forums and mass media against Taiwan OEMs through a subsidiary company (http://www.opentide.com.tw). Actions such as flood forums with negative posts, FUD, multiple accounts by the same user ditching on HTC, Acer etc.
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Wow. Pretty distorted representation. What Samsung did and apologized for was using viral and social media and making the opinions expressed by individuals look as if they were personal and not sponsored by Samsung. It was also for the launch of the SGS3 last year. The link you posted contains the 61 page PowerPoint deck prepared by OpenTide, the local marketing company Samsung engaged, explaining the viral campaign and not once in it is a competitor mentioned. It discusses the timing of various local events and the messaging the bloggers should use to hype various features of the SGS3.
The ethics of companies sponsoring viral programs that make the opinions expressed look unsolicited is kind of a grey area. HTC's said they plan on using viral campaigns to promote the One this year so they’re up against the same ethics questions. It's totally possible that some of the individuals posting on behalf of companies go off script and trash competitors but there's a big difference between that and the company sponsoring the program telling them to. Is there anything other than those links you posted that are more current or having anything to do with the One or SGS4?
Here's the action plan from the PowerPoint translated.
Here's a link to the 61 page PPT (in Chinese) if anyone wants to see it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73155531/S3_Viral Plan_0629.pptx
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You can also see a glimps of this controversy
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The only reason this interested me is that it really didn't make a lot of sense. There are 9MM smartphones a year sold in TW. Because HTC, Asus, and Acer are the "home town" teams it wouldn't seem that Samsung being Korean would ever "own" the market. They had 29% of the TW market last year so what would they have to gain by potentially risking their reputation worldwide in a "controversy?" Selling 2MM more devices in TW when they sold 250MM last year?
There's huge risk for any company in using bloggers to represent the company as you lose control of the message and can't prevent individuals from potentially saying things that reflect poorly on you. The same thing happened in Mainland China with a couple of companies. Paying people to say good things about a company or product isn't wrong per se and with social being so important it's done all the time. Do the people we see in TV commercials actually use or care about the products their pitching? But since bloggers are freelancers and don't work for any specific company it's easy for the messaging to get out of control which is what the examples you posted show. Welcome to the 21st century.
HTC and Samsung UK employees dissed each other on Twitter. I guarantee you the employees weren't speaking for HTC or Samsung corporate and were probably reprimanded. Trashing a competitor outwardly reflects as poorly on the trashor as it does on the trashee. And multibillion dollar companies know and respect that.
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And this is pretty good representation of how the Taiwanese feel about non-Taiwanese phone manufacturers. Can you imagine if the head of the U.S. Treasury proclaimed that all U.S. citizens should buy Motorola phones? Manufacturers importing and competing in the U.S. would go nuts. "Free trade" is just that and protecionism isn't an answer to solving the ills of troubled companies or industries.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html

BarryH_GEG said:
And it was a year ago for the SGS3's launch. Here's the detail from the thread that it was discussed in. Using freelancers to promote products virally is risky and a lot of companies don't do it because it's so hard to control. HTC's using viral marketing heavily this year and the same thing could happen to them. In both cases it doesn't mean that Samsung or HTC endorse slamming competitors and most likely the agreements the freelancers sign strictly prohibit it. But the people posting aren't professionals and have no ties to the company their blogging to promote other than a one-time check. No company wants to sell products so badly that they'd intentionally risk their credibility and reputations by instructing their employees or contractors to slam a competitor. In Samsung’s case in TW you’re talking about selling an additional 2MM phone is 2012 when they sold 250MM which is less than 1% of their sales.
Wow. Pretty distorted representation. What Samsung did and apologized for was using viral and social media and making the opinions expressed by individuals look as if they were personal and not sponsored by Samsung. It was also for the launch of the SGS3 last year. The link you posted contains the 61 page PowerPoint deck prepared by OpenTide, the local marketing company Samsung engaged, explaining the viral campaign and not once in it is a competitor mentioned. It discusses the timing of various local events and the messaging the bloggers should use to hype various features of the SGS3.
The ethics of companies sponsoring viral programs that make the opinions expressed look unsolicited is kind of a grey area. HTC's said they plan on using viral campaigns to promote the One this year so they’re up against the same ethics questions. It's totally possible that some of the individuals posting on behalf of companies go off script and trash competitors but there's a big difference between that and the company sponsoring the program telling them to. Is there anything other than those links you posted that are more current or having anything to do with the One or SGS4?
Here's the action plan from the PowerPoint translated.
Here's a link to the 61 page PPT (in Chinese) if anyone wants to see it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73155531/S3_Viral Plan_0629.pptx
The only reason this interested me is that it really didn't make a lot of sense. There are 9MM smartphones a year sold in TW. Because HTC, Asus, and Acer are the "home town" teams it wouldn't seem that Samsung being Korean would ever "own" the market. They had 29% of the TW market last year so what would they have to gain by potentially risking their reputation worldwide in a "controversy?" Selling 2MM more devices in TW when they sold 250MM last year?
There's huge risk for any company in using bloggers to represent the company as you lose control of the message and can't prevent individuals from potentially saying things that reflect poorly on you. The same thing happened in Mainland China with a couple of companies. Paying people to say good things about a company or product isn't wrong per se and with social being so important it's done all the time. Do the people we see in TV commercials actually use or care about the products their pitching? But since bloggers are freelancers and don't work for any specific company it's easy for the messaging to get out of control which is what the examples you posted show. Welcome to the 21st century.
HTC and Samsung UK employees dissed each other on Twitter. I guarantee you the employees weren't speaking for HTC or Samsung corporate and were probably reprimanded. Trashing a competitor outwardly reflects as poorly on the trashor as it does on the trashee. And multibillion dollar companies know and respect that.
And this is pretty good representation of how the Taiwanese feel about non-Taiwanese phone manufacturers. Can you imagine if the head of the U.S. Treasury proclaimed that all U.S. citizens should buy Motorola phones? Manufacturers importing and competing in the U.S. would go nuts. "Free trade" is just that and protecionism isn't an answer to solving the ills of troubled companies or industries.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html
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Well htc They didn't pay student kids to defend their beloved products, btw I never had an htc phone before but I ordered the one and this article is really disturbing as many of the negative reviews or my htc phone broke or dents or whatever made people think twice even myself, but I guess some of what is been said against htc where not true due paid and non paid fanboys.

Related

BGR- Bash Google's Reputation

its amazing to see how this website advertise lies about android smartphones and tablets time after time,than "corrects it", after the damage is done just because they are apple fans.
I HOPE THAT GOOGLE WILL DROP A MAJOR LAWSUIT ON THEIR HEAD, SO THE LESSON WILL BE LEARNED.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/22/motorola-will-stop-building-xoom-tablets-after-june-report-claims/

Huh? What I miss? XDA is bashing google? Put down the pipe and just walk away..
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Sirchuk said:
Huh? What I miss? XDA is bashing google? Put down the pipe and just walk away..
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BGR- google it, who says anything about xda?

ericizzy1 said:
BGR- google it, who says anything about xda?
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To be fair, the way your post is worded I thought you meant XDA too.

I thought the title was clear.
The whole 'Xoom is dead' rumor reeked of FUD, it's a shame all the major sites picked up on it.

ive almost completely stopped reading BGR because of their blatant hatred of Google and apple fanboyism. Every article Geller writes is so pro apple it makes me want to puke.
His review of the iPad 2 is so biased it might as well have been written by apple.

BGR is a tech news blog site, they deal with a lot of rumors from various sources some sources are better then others.
Typically I like BGR, and yes they have an apple bias. However going into that knowing they have an apple bias makes it easier to sift through the BS.
At least its better then the way Gizmodo is going with their terrible new site design. Gawker sucks anyways, the guy who started Gawker was very resentful of Gizmodos success and lambasted them recently because of it, what a dooche.
Engadget seems to be getting worse as well, what with "The AOL Way" and all (google it), multiple people have quit Engadget due to this very reason. Seems like our choices for good tech blog sites are getting worse and worse. Sad.
Anybody reccomend a tech news blog site? I like Android central, but like Gizmodo and Endgaget they are also owned by a blogging collective, which seems to be a bad thing. Time will tell.

This is pretty standard for tech blogs. They report on their sources and tips that they think they can trust, and if new information comes out, they update the story.
I don't see why you're mad for them posting a story based on rumor, which is clearly stated in the post, then correcting it when they prove it wrong lol.
You're acting like they raped your child or something.

I didn't like the BGR story simply because it was poorly reported. The numbers they list don't add up (compare the alleged production numbers compared to the 2011 projected shipping numbers). But then again, I've often lamented the poor state of tech "journalism," and it certainly does seem to be getting worse.

I agree that tech journalism is suffering and hate it when one website states a rumor I see ten more show up in my RSS feed. Engadget seems to going through a transition phase and that was my favorite website. Android central I will say has become the number one source in android over the last couple of months. Android and me is a joke and androidguys just doesn't stay as up to date as they should. Would frequent phandroid more but they refuse to make their forums on tapatalk.
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martonikaj said:
This is pretty standard for tech blogs. They report on their sources and tips that they think they can trust, and if new information comes out, they update the story.
I don't see why you're mad for them posting a story based on rumor, which is clearly stated in the post, then correcting it when they prove it wrong lol.
You're acting like they raped your child or something.
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Hahaha so true. Although the article itself definitely did REEK of BS -- so seeing it get updated with a "this is not accurate" was obviously on its way at some point.

I use Phandroid.

Which isn't biased at all, right?
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3devious said:
Which isn't biased at all, right?
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haha i knew someone would point it out

3devious said:
Which isn't biased at all, right?
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Are you joking? Of course its biased, its a frieking blog about android news... you can't be this obtuse. Oh wait, you have posted 4 times, it all makes sense now...

Planet Android, Android Police, Best Android App review (even though this one is just all about apps), Android community...They're all in my rss feeds. How bout TechCrunch and Cnet? Anybody has a disagreement with those 2 ?

wang1404 said:
Planet Android, Android Police, Best Android App review (even though this one is just all about apps), Android community...They're all in my rss feeds. How bout TechCrunch and Cnet? Anybody has a disagreement with those 2 ?
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Cnet isn't bad, however Tech Crunch is grarbage, another AOL owned site, not that great even before "The AOL Way", can only get worse from here on out.

martonikaj said:
This is pretty standard for tech blogs. They report on their sources and tips that they think they can trust, and if new information comes out, they update the story.
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Really? So it would be OK to write the following:
According to an unconfirmed report, martonikaj is set to be arrested for raping a child sometime in April and his wife will file for divorce after June. XDA watcher DigiDev cites anonymous sources from within martonikaj's family claiming that he may have raped as many as 10 children, but plans to curtail rapes during the first quarter of 2011. The cause of the alleged drop in rapes is unclear, though the website’s sources speculate that martonikaj may be uncertain about his position within the famiy and will thus slow-down his abuse. DigiDev also speculates that martonikaj may instead turn to killing stray dogs, which is the more likely scenario considering martonikaj's previous comments with regard to the SPCA. Total rapes in the area in 2011 are expected to be around 30 - 40 the report states.
So long as I post the following a day later?
UPDATE: Following the publication of this post, martonikaj supplied us with a comment via email. He states that DigiDevs’ report is not accurate, and that he does not rape childern.
It doesn't matter that a prospective employer saw the first article, and not the second. Or that people may say "I thought martonikaj was arrested for rape?" for years when seeing him walk down the street. Nope. Nothing wrong with that kind of journalism, huh?

boxmander said:
Are you joking? Of course its biased, its a frieking blog about android news... you can't be this obtuse. Oh wait, you have posted 4 times, it all makes sense now...
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He was being sarcastic, but I guess with your 23 posts you obviously missed that one

ClydeB1 said:
He was being sarcastic, but I guess with your 23 posts you obviously missed that one
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toche, its hard to know who is being snarky or just being dumb. you might be surprised how many android haters come to an android forum and post

Round of applause! PIPA and SOPA were dropped

the following is an email i received 2 hours ago... read on
The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard.
On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. See the amazing numbers here and tell everyone what you did.
This was unprecedented. Your activism may have changed the way people fight for the public interest and basic rights forever.
The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk.’”
“'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added."
Tweet with us, shout on the internet with us, let's celebrate: Round of applause to the 13 million people who stood up - #PIPA and #SOPA aretabled 4 now. #13millionapplause
We're indebted to the people who helped in the beginning -- you, and the sites that trusted us -- Boing Boing and Mozilla Foundation! And the grassroots groups -- Public Knowledge, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Demand Progress and Fight for the Future. Press release is here: http://bit.ly/w4DYz0 and https://fightfortheftr.wordpress.com/press-releases/
13 million strong,
Tiffiniy, Holmes, Joshua, Phil, CJ, Donny, Douglas, Nicholas, Dean, David S. and Moore, Fight for the Future!
P.S. China's internet censorship system reminds us why the fight for democratic principles is so important:
In the New Yorker: "Fittingly, perhaps, the discussion has unfolded on Weibo, the Twitter-like micro-blogging site that has a team of censors on staff to trim posts with sensitive political content. That is the arrangement that opponents of the bill have suggested would be required of American sites if they are compelled to police their users’ content for copyright violations. On Weibo, joking about SOPA’s similarities to Chinese censorship was sensitive enough that some posts on the subject were almost certainly deleted (though it can be hard to know).
...
After Chinese Web users got over the strangeness of hearing Americans debate the merits of screening the Web for objectionable content, they marvelled at the American response. Commentator Liu Qingyan wrote:
‘We should learn something from the way these American Internet companies protested against SOPA and PIPA. A free and democratic society depends on every one of us caring about politics and fighting for our rights. We will not achieve it by avoiding talk about politics.’"

WOOHOO! time to grab my cold 6 packs of beer!

These were almost passed....but then the government took an arrow to the knee

Yes! I would have been extremely pissed if these had passed! Almost started looking at homes in Canada!

Mostdef said:
WOOHOO! time to grab my cold 6 packs of beer!
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Pass me a beer
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voohoo said:
These were almost passed....but then the government took an arrow to the knee
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Exactly man, we got lucky but then again 13 million is a lot people.
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now to take those 13 million to samsung to get an update! cheers!

I told you it will NEVER happen crap like this.

Se7eN43 said:
now to take those 13 million to samsung to get an update! cheers!
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I will love to see that!

xriderx66 said:
I told you it will NEVER happen crap like this.
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Never is a kind of stretch. It could and it will, just not yet. Freedom is earned not given, and when people become lazy, it is lost.
Great news though, hopefully this will make the MPAA and others hold off on censorship and blocking of innovative technology for a while.

"delayed" all of us have to stay vigilant about every thing like this.
SGSII

The bill didnt get dropped. Its been put on the shelf. It will rear its ugly head in a year or so.
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a new problem! after SOPA/PIPA, its turn for ACTA just like SOPA PIPA

kazumahits said:
a new problem! after SOPA/PIPA, its turn for ACTA just like SOPA PIPA
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Yeah I know, that's been worst. They're going to have control over your isp if that passes...
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We have to be on the lookout for similar bills, its retarded how they lobbied to try to sneak it into law hoping people wouldn't notice. Glad this one is shelved indefinitely

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Support My Moto! at supportmymoto.comA unified campaign backed by developers and you requesting Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870
The main goals of the campaign is to have a unified front in submission of requests for Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870.
What we would like to happen;
Unlock would make JB ROMs available to anybody that wants it.
Updating would cover more moto owners and thereby minimize the impact to Moto's profits and public image.
A clean plan of how the $100 credit is to work as "We're looking into it" type statements are very damaging.
The reason we ask these things is that it gives Motorola room to work with. Once/if Motorola decides to open up a line of communication then specifics could be discussed. Ideally unlock and an update would cover almost all Moto owners. Either way, both solutions would be of benefit to Moto. Even though I'm fronting the campaign I would like to see as many people walk away from it happy, or at least not want to attack each other.
This is achieved by filing Better Business Bureau Complaints, FTC Complaints, emailing The Consumerist and signing the petitions. These things and more can be achieved at the
Support My Moto Website
#supportmymoto Support My Moto IRC chat to discuss issues and tactics
For IRC chat on your phone try AndChat
If your company or employer has decided to remove Motorola from the approved supplier list for cell phones, please contact us. We would love to hear from you.
Please remember to submit Support My Moto to the news sites and tech blogs for coverage.
If you are a developer and would like to sign on, post "Count me in!" and I will add you to the list on the website and here as well.
SIGNATURE PIC TO SHOW SUPPORT IS ATTACHED TO THIS POST

Just a short note to the hopeless members, if I may.
It is perfectly alright to follow something you believe in even though the outcome to you may be evident in a negative way but this campaign is about more than software updates. We consumers should never make it easier for the corporates to get away with their moral obligations. Thank you!

CSharpHeaven said:
Just a short note to the hopeless members, if I may.
It is perfectly alright to follow something you believe in even though the outcome to you may be evident in a negative way but this campaign is about more than software updates. We consumers should never make it easier for the corporates to get away with their moral obligations. Thank you!
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Agreed
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supportmymoto.com
supportmymoto.com

I now have a link to the Official supportmymoto petition on the site. I should also have the site cleaned up this eve and add irc chat for better coordination of our efforts.
I'm looking for those that speak Chinese and Russian to get the word out to those forums. PM me if you can help out.

Support My Moto TeamDEVELOPERS
Th3Bill
mof9336
peetr_
zacthespack
Magiman7
upndwn4par
mmontuori
Syl
samcripp
spleef
android-DEP
shabbypenguin
tiger013
k0nane
stevendeb25
epinter
Notorious544d
pinguy1982
italosnt
Contributors
azrienoch of XDA Developer TV
na7q of motosunfire.com
QBKing77 & His Youtube channel Please be sure to send some "Thanks" his way for the video!

Found this in my inbox from the man himself
azrienoch said:
Well, ****. I'd planned on doing a video about the GPL and Apache License, kicking off a boycott. Looks like that'll have to wait a week. Saw the articles on Techmeme and CNET. Congrats on getting the movement this far. Want to do me an enormous favor and compile a list of links of all the press this has gotten?
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With the coverage from cnet (and articles that have cropped up because of it) the anger over this issue is getting out.

Feels good to be part of something awesome like this. Motorola can't ignore all this coverage for too long.
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I've been keeping the Main thread updated to what's going one as well as the site

Even though everyone should be visiting the official thread, it would be a good idea to update the dev list on this thread since many of the devs that have recently supported the cause are from this forum. Just a thought.

UPDATE:
"Update My Moto" has closed their campaign. Their site now redirects to supportmymoto.com. Even though I felt the leak was not enough, as it only covered a very limited number of devices, I stated that I would support their decision.
With supportmymoto.com (yours truly) attending the Big Android BBQ, please bump the various threads and spread the word.
Yet another reason to spread the word!
FBI warns users of mobile malware
Google is stated as saying the following;
"Google is aware of this and new features on its latest Android mobile OS -- Jelly Bean 4.1 -- aim to beef up the system's security over past OS iterations. With Jelly Bean's design, Google hopes to defend against hacks that install viruses, along with other malware."
Again, the call goes out to supporters to spread the word and I hope to see some of you at the Big Android BBQ!

Joke of the Day!
How do you install the Google Calender App on an 8 month old Tegra2 Moto?
You hit it with a hammer and by a 2 year old HTC Incredible S!
(Out of 44 phones released by major manufacturers in 2011 that have been upgraded to ICS or better, only two are Moto's. This isn't even including the Nexus line. HTC, LG, Samsung and even ZTE, of all people, seem to be able to upgrade their Tegra2 phone to ICS. WTF Moto!)

I've never seen such a liar company. Even if Motorola unlock the bootloader and give us the source code, I don't think so I'll ever go for Motorola again.. I feel like begging for my phone and of course I've a standard too... I'm corporate customer and I bought this power house for all my current and future corporate need... Seems I'm pi$$ed of...
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Lokifish Marz said:
Support My Moto TeamDEVELOPERS
Th3Bill
mof9336
peetr_
zacthespack
Magiman7
upndwn4par
mmontuori
Syl
samcripp
spleef
android-DEP
shabbypenguin
tiger013
k0nane
stevendeb25
epinter
Notorious544d
pinguy1982
italosnt
Contributors
azrienoch of XDA Developer TV
na7q of motosunfire.com
QBKing77 & His Youtube channel Please be sure to send some "Thanks" his way for the video!
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BIG UPS to those guys on that list!
You guys definitely put more work into the Atrix than Motorola themself.
Thank you for your passion and sharing your work with us since day 1...
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ccrows said:
BIG UPS to those guys on that list!
You guys definitely put more work into the Atrix than Motorola themself.
Thank you for your passion and sharing your work with us since day 1...
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
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I couldn't agree more... I wish I could just sell my Motorola and buy an Galaxy S2, But the Atrix 4G has potential to be much better!
Thank you devs! :highfive:

Props to all those devs supporting this. The Atrix is a great phone, and deserves the support from Moto and Google. I honestly don't know why more effort wasn't put into pumping this phone up.

Even with the leak more pressure still needs to be put on moto. Keep spreading the word, boycott their products, give them an incredibly bad 4th quarter earnings. If even then they won't work with the customer, the industry will take notice.
Motorola and Micromax are the only manufacturers, that I can find, to release Tegra2 phones and not update any of them to ICS or JB. Micromax only released one T2 phone so I can let that slide, sorta.

First person to statistically prove that webtop 3.0 on lapdock gets better battery life than 2.0 ... what? =)
Let me clarify; Prove the end user experience on ICS is an improvement over GB. Then lulz
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User experience better than WT2, maybe. WT3 still has many of the user experience bugs I covered over a year ago with Evo Desktop PC. Better user experience than Webtop+ or Ubuntop, not even close. Editing any type or large document or image editing proves that.
Battery life? WT3 is marginally better but with all it's drawbacks it's like trading Win7 for Win3.11 because Win3.11 runs faster on your PC.

Lokifish Marz said:
User experience better than WT2, maybe. WT3 still has many of the user experience bugs I covered over a year ago with Evo Desktop PC. Better user experience than Webtop+ or Ubuntop, not even close. Editing any type or large document or image editing proves that.
Battery life? WT3 is marginally better but with all it's drawbacks it's like trading Win7 for Win3.11 because Win3.11 runs faster on your PC.
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Good point but judging by the campaign webtop is positioned as a tool for browsing the web, web docs, music/video entertainment and phone functionality. My money says 3.0 takes the win in ALL of these categories. And showcasing this fact on YouTube IMO is the desirable, passive ***** slap moto deserves, as opposed to this boycott moto mentality that is generally ineffective.
Engadget headline: xda Devs lol'd in moto's face
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aaron.a said:
Good point but judging by the campaign webtop is positioned as a tool for browsing the web, web docs, music/video entertainment and phone functionality. My money says 3.0 takes the win in ALL of these categories. And showcasing this fact on YouTube IMO is the desirable, passive ***** slap moto deserves, as opposed to this boycott moto mentality that is generally ineffective.
Engadget headline: xda Devs lol'd in moto's face
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"ineffective", I think not. This campaign has already lost moto over a million dollars in sales. One contract cancellation alone cost them a possible $800K sale. You have to remember that Moto didn't ditch a couple phones but millions worldwide. Add in the press coverage by over 40 outlets and the proof that Moto was full of crap, you get the idea as to where this is going. If the estimated sales figures are correct (total estimates place the figure at over 3 million Tegra2 moto's sold worldwide) and only 20% of those affected ditch Moto, then the loss is around 600K devices (if Moto only makes $100 per device that's a 60 million dollar loss). Even Apple couldn't ignore numbers like that.
As far as WT3. It's a launcher. Already proved that a couple days ago. The is nothing really unique to WT3, it's a gimmick. If ICS was out on the Evo back in April of last year, WT3 would have been a one for one copy of Evo Desktop.

Gizmodo lovefest

Cool article "It Took Five Years To Make a Beautiful Android Phone"
http://gizmodo.com/5990813/
Now if I can just get it on Verizon.
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I love how people bash this guy in the comments because he states that Android phones have looked ugly and people bought them because they were free on contract.
.. He's completely right. Up until the last year that's exactly how it's been. People wanted iPhones if they could get them. Before the Galaxy S 3 and HTC One X (mostly the GS3) no one walked into a store and said "I WANT THAT ANDROID PHONE" unless you were an Android fan
Nice little article.
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This writer is a joke, anyone who visits gizmodo knows it. Even the apple fans agree he's highly biased and only writes provocative articles for the pageviews.
He's not getting to write as much btw, and he doesn't get to review/ comment on phones or tablets anymore afaik. A lot of the readers complained about him (not only talking about phone related)

Will.1 said:
This writer is a joke, anyone who visits gizmodo knows it. Even the apple fans agree he's highly biased and only writes provocative articles for the pageviews.
He's not getting to write as much btw, and he doesn't get to review/ comment on phones or tablets anymore afaik. A lot of the readers complained about him (not only talking about phone related)
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I didn't really see a problem with this specific article
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Uh if you weren't aware already, Gizmodo is the ****tiest tech site on the internet. It is all provocative tabloid crap. There's no bias to any company. They just find something they can piss people off with to rack up the views. The fanboys will be angry, and the haters come in droves to rejoice, so the worst of the worst all together in one spot. They've pissed off Apple fans by overblowing antennagate and stealing an iPhone prototype, Blackberry fans by trashing their touchscreen phones and writing obscene rants when they aren't sent a review unit, Nokia fans when they put up deceptive "tests" of the Symbian experience, etc. There was even an epic rant by one of the editors telling its readership to go f--k off because their feelings were being hurt in the comments section, even though they were the biggest trolls of all. They are part of the Gawker network, which is known for stalking people, invading privacy, posting defamatory stories and videos, even celebrity sextapes, the usual tabloid stuff. I stopped reading Gizmodo years ago so am not up to date on any recent shenanigans. I know their founder had a talk recently at last year's SXSW about the need for internet ettiquette. Like Hitler advocating ethnic tolerance. They use to pop up all the time on the first page of Google. Now I can hardly find thme unless I go four or five pages back, if at all. Seems their pissing game collapsed like a ponzi scheme once they went over the limit.

Yea that's the way I feel as well, at least about the Gizmodo part. Ok for some random enjoyable articles but horrible when it comes to giving a good insight on products.
Although i have to disagree with you on Apple, a lot of the writers are/were very heavily biased to the point ppl would trash the comment section and bloggers censored posts they didn't like (kinda funny coming from "the press" if you can call it that). They just made a big deal out of a few non issues with the iphone (not talking about the real problems like antennagate etc) to look like they were being fair to every manufacturer and all but everyone on there knows it's all over apple's junk.
I think they are aware they're not being taken seriously anymore and ppl go to engadget and the likes for product reviews and they are trying to change that.

Motorola Failure to Meet Update Commitments; Petition.

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As many owners of Motorola's Atrix, Atrix HD, Moto E and other models know all too well...
- Motorola has not maintained an organized or regular update cycle for their devices.
- Motorola has repeatedly broken vague promises and hard commitments to update devices.
- This includes cases where the updates were promised on the Motorola website.
- This includes a case where the update was released with details posted on-line but was not actually delivered to the devices stated.
- There has been an instance where an OTA that was a 5.0.x update was displayed as 5.1.x when being installed.
- Some of the affected devices are not service provider branded (just Moto) so Motorola cannot blame the SP as they have in the past.
Picking up on an idea considered when Motorola backed out of their commitment to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop last year, an on-line petition has been created to let Motorola know this is not right. It is focused on the Moto E but is crafted so it can be signed by anyone who has been betrayed by Motorola's failed update commitments or want to see a better way of handling updates. If there is any resolution as a result of this petition, it is unlikely to extend far but we can still let them know about it.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course feel free to share details about pertinent experiences here in this thread but if you want Motorola to hear it, sign the petition and share the link to it. Also, For the Moto E you can make it known here at the Moto thread where details about the Moto E update are posted https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?page=1.
Motorola once was, and should still be, capable of better than this!
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Nov 1, 2016, Greetings:
Motorola. Has finally updated most of the Moto E line to Android Marshmallow. Even some of the devices thought to be left off the update list (such as US retail single sim XT1511) eventually got Marshmallow, although sadly only after many boot-loaders were unlocked. Also, this Change.org petition for Moto E has been automatically closed (naturally expired), which was timely because it serves no purpose anymore, so I'll leave it expired and will ask to have this thread closed. I thank all who participated with signatures or in spirit. It was small in scope but every little bit helps.
One last thing: Although Moto E has been updated, Motorola has not mended it's poor updating ways and have done something similar (even worse by many measures) to yet another device, the Moto G3. There is a petition for that described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015...sprey-t3476321 which I encourage all affected to sign.

You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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starkly_raving said:
You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.

Signed and shared.

IronTechmonkey said:
If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.
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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.

Signed!

Ace42 said:
Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.
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Another good idea. Thanks!

I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Semseddin said:
I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.

I miss IDEN.

nobreak1970 said:
I miss IDEN.
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What am I missing here?
[EDIT] Oh, I see. You're going old school as well. Nice.

IronTechmonkey said:
Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.
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I haven't organized a petition like this before but participated for atrix 4g ics update and xt910 bootloader unlock petitions back in time, the electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k and motorola didnt give the smallest damn about those, just igroned us. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time to tame a liar company in a friendly manner, not worth it. They dont listen to their customers at all. I also like motorola hardware and that is where it ends for me, everything else in motorola just have the stinkny worst smell of all. Their marketing, service team, software team are all the worst but they used to have good engineers, not sure if they still have them looking at their 2015 portfolio can be called at best pathetic.
Hope you guys get the updates you deserve for your devices though. Just dont buy anything else branded motorola in future, this will teach them better how to behave as a responsible company when they dont see money flowing into their vault.
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Semseddin said:
.....electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k...
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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Semseddin said:
. .. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time...
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Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.

Not really surprised by this sadly.

IronTechmonkey said:
10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.
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Whatever, live your dream. Here is your numbers. Operation mosh, signed by 16k
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
Now, you got ur numbers. Those petitions were for phones in premium range above 400$. Motorola just ignored them. You believe motorola would give a damn about your 50$ phone? Good luck with your dreams.
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Semseddin said:
...Operation mosh, signed by 16k https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Impressive that they got 16k and I agree with it in principal but that is a request to unlock bootloader, against which Motorola (and other device manufacturers) are well insulated legally. The same is not necessarily the case for provably failed published commitments to provide a product or service.
Semseddin said:
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
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A well presented case with good coverage but again, it is for getting an unlocked bootloader which is a steeper uphill battle.
Semseddin said:
....Good luck with your dreams....
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Thank you for the warm wishes, and for the details of the other actions, which I did find informative, helpful, and actually encouraging (although I still have modest hopes).

i am impressed the poll has 80 / 100 right now cool !
I wouldn't have had to rip my hair out today trying to install v5.1 onto my Moto-E if they update with my oem (Telus)
It sucks because i just wanted to run the stock rom
I got it installed but no matter what i tried i couldn't get the provider connection back for calls/txt's
What a drag too ..i swear it started up and ran fast than 5.0.2 (what i went back to)
Thank god i made a TWRP backup before meddling with things..
So hell yeah i voted
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It's totally stupid they only updated *some of the oem's with 5.1
that is a massive slap in the face to those of us who missed out on v5.1 Lollipop !

I won't buy Motorola any more

Just a bit of an update. The petition now has 120 signatures which tells me that people must be sharing the link. Thanks to everyone who has signed and circulated it! I don't know what that really means in terms of the ability to exert some commercial pressure on Motorola but it does indicate that there are many people impacted by this, especially when you consider that there are likely large #s of people using the affected devices who don't participate in forums like this.
When I first gathered contact information for the petition, Motorola Customer Service provided an email address for the CEO that turned out to be incorrect. Fortunately I had others and sent a test email to see which would be rejected as invalid before creating the petition. Considering that experience, I've started searching outside the Moto support track for names and contact information for all of the Moto executives and departments that I can find to widen the target.
Thanks again to all who've signed, circulated, and provided constructive input.
[EDIT] Shared by user hyzteric at the Moto "excuse making forum" https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?commentId=1000234#1000234 is news that the Mote E is still being sold which is really low.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-either-update-moto-e-or-stop-selling-it
I already knew this but had not considered the ramifications. They are still sticking it to new purchasers of those devices. Lower than low!

Semseddin said:
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Soooo, although we differ on the merits of a petition we are in the same boat (betrayed by Moto) even if we may disagree on how to navigate it, and I must thank you for the details of the actions to which you referred. While hunting down email addresses of Moto's executives I also found the addresses from one of those previous actions. Between the ones I found that were not on that list and the ones from that list we now have a wider target for the petition.
Seriously - Thanks!
One thing I hope we have going for us this time is that it was/is not illegal for Motorola to decline to share their source code, but what they did this time might actually be illegal or at least actionable in a commercial sense.

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