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Link to the official thread​
If you find someone posting in this thread direct them to the official thread. The more threads the folks post in the less time available to focus on the main goals.
ROUND 3:
THE ICS LEAK AND THE THEAD HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM XDA AS WELL AS POSTS MADE BY epinter FOR THE PAST COUPLE DAYS!
The official reason as to why this happened
FBI warns users of mobile malware (Google states Jelly Bean has protection that older versions of Android does not)
Cnet Article: FBI warns users of mobile malware
Support My Moto Campaign has been specifically mentioned in latest Cnet article.
A big thanks goes out to Casey Newton and Roger Cheng for mentioning us here at Support My Moto!
Over fourty articles covering Motorola's removal of the ICS update and over ten articles that mention the campaigns
This is the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread
​
Support My Moto! at supportmymoto.com​A unified campaign backed by developers and you requesting Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870
The main goals of the campaign is to have a unified front in submission of requests for Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870.
What we would like to happen;
Unlock would make JB ROMs available to anybody that wants it.
Updating would cover more moto owners and thereby minimize the impact to Moto's profits and public image.
A clean plan of how the $100 credit is to work as "We're looking into it" type statements are very damaging.
The reason we ask these things is that it gives Motorola room to work with. Once/if Motorola decides to open up a line of communication then specifics could be discussed. Ideally unlock and an update would cover almost all Moto owners. Either way, both solutions would be of benefit to Moto. Even though I'm fronting the campaign I would like to see as many people walk away from it happy, or at least not want to attack each other.
This is achieved by filing Better Business Bureau Complaints, FTC Complaints, emailing The Consumerist and signing the petitions. These things and more can be achieved at the
Support My Moto Website
#supportmymoto Support My Moto IRC chat to discuss issues and tactics
For IRC chat on your phone try AndChat​
If your company or employer has decided to remove Motorola from the approved supplier list for cell phones, please contact us. We would love to hear from you.
Please remember to submit Support My Moto to the news sites and tech blogs for coverage.
If you are a developer and would like to sign on, post "Count me in!" and I will add you to the list on the website and here as well.
SIGNATURE PIC TO SHOW SUPPORT IS ATTACHED TO THIS POST

Just a short note to the hopeless members, if I may.
It is perfectly alright to follow something you believe in even though the outcome to you may be evident in a negative way but this campaign is about more than software updates. We consumers should never make it easier for the corporates to get away with their moral obligations. Thank you!

CSharpHeaven said:
Just a short note to the hopeless members, if I may.
It is perfectly alright to follow something you believe in even though the outcome to you may be evident in a negative way but this campaign is about more than software updates. We consumers should never make it easier for the corporates to get away with their moral obligations. Thank you!
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Agreed
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supportmymoto.com
supportmymoto.com

I now have a link to the Official supportmymoto petition on the site. I should also have the site cleaned up this eve and add irc chat for better coordination of our efforts.
I'm looking for those that speak Chinese and Russian to get the word out to those forums. PM me if you can help out.

Support My Moto Team​DEVELOPERS
Th3Bill
mof9336
peetr_
zacthespack
Magiman7
upndwn4par
mmontuori
Syl
samcripp
spleef
android-DEP
shabbypenguin
tiger013
k0nane
stevendeb25
epinter
Notorious544d
pinguy1982
italosnt
Contributors
azrienoch of XDA Developer TV
na7q of motosunfire.com
QBKing77 & His Youtube channel Please be sure to send some "Thanks" his way for the video!

Found this in my inbox from the man himself
azrienoch said:
Well, ****. I'd planned on doing a video about the GPL and Apache License, kicking off a boycott. Looks like that'll have to wait a week. Saw the articles on Techmeme and CNET. Congrats on getting the movement this far. Want to do me an enormous favor and compile a list of links of all the press this has gotten?
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With the coverage from cnet (and articles that have cropped up because of it) the anger over this issue is getting out.

Feels good to be part of something awesome like this. Motorola can't ignore all this coverage for too long.
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I've been keeping the Main thread updated to what's going one as well as the site

Even though everyone should be visiting the official thread, it would be a good idea to update the dev list on this thread since many of the devs that have recently supported the cause are from this forum. Just a thought.

UPDATE:
"Update My Moto" has closed their campaign. Their site now redirects to supportmymoto.com. Even though I felt the leak was not enough, as it only covered a very limited number of devices, I stated that I would support their decision.
With supportmymoto.com (yours truly) attending the Big Android BBQ, please bump the various threads and spread the word.
Yet another reason to spread the word!
FBI warns users of mobile malware
Google is stated as saying the following;
"Google is aware of this and new features on its latest Android mobile OS -- Jelly Bean 4.1 -- aim to beef up the system's security over past OS iterations. With Jelly Bean's design, Google hopes to defend against hacks that install viruses, along with other malware."
Again, the call goes out to supporters to spread the word and I hope to see some of you at the Big Android BBQ!

Joke of the Day!
How do you install the Google Calender App on an 8 month old Tegra2 Moto?
You hit it with a hammer and by a 2 year old HTC Incredible S!
(Out of 44 phones released by major manufacturers in 2011 that have been upgraded to ICS or better, only two are Moto's. This isn't even including the Nexus line. HTC, LG, Samsung and even ZTE, of all people, seem to be able to upgrade their Tegra2 phone to ICS. WTF Moto!)

I've never seen such a liar company. Even if Motorola unlock the bootloader and give us the source code, I don't think so I'll ever go for Motorola again.. I feel like begging for my phone and of course I've a standard too... I'm corporate customer and I bought this power house for all my current and future corporate need... Seems I'm pi$$ed of...
Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance

Lokifish Marz said:
Support My Moto Team​DEVELOPERS
Th3Bill
mof9336
peetr_
zacthespack
Magiman7
upndwn4par
mmontuori
Syl
samcripp
spleef
android-DEP
shabbypenguin
tiger013
k0nane
stevendeb25
epinter
Notorious544d
pinguy1982
italosnt
Contributors
azrienoch of XDA Developer TV
na7q of motosunfire.com
QBKing77 & His Youtube channel Please be sure to send some "Thanks" his way for the video!
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BIG UPS to those guys on that list!
You guys definitely put more work into the Atrix than Motorola themself.
Thank you for your passion and sharing your work with us since day 1...
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ccrows said:
BIG UPS to those guys on that list!
You guys definitely put more work into the Atrix than Motorola themself.
Thank you for your passion and sharing your work with us since day 1...
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I couldn't agree more... I wish I could just sell my Motorola and buy an Galaxy S2, But the Atrix 4G has potential to be much better!
Thank you devs! :highfive:

Props to all those devs supporting this. The Atrix is a great phone, and deserves the support from Moto and Google. I honestly don't know why more effort wasn't put into pumping this phone up.

Even with the leak more pressure still needs to be put on moto. Keep spreading the word, boycott their products, give them an incredibly bad 4th quarter earnings. If even then they won't work with the customer, the industry will take notice.
Motorola and Micromax are the only manufacturers, that I can find, to release Tegra2 phones and not update any of them to ICS or JB. Micromax only released one T2 phone so I can let that slide, sorta.

First person to statistically prove that webtop 3.0 on lapdock gets better battery life than 2.0 ... what? =)
Let me clarify; Prove the end user experience on ICS is an improvement over GB. Then lulz
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User experience better than WT2, maybe. WT3 still has many of the user experience bugs I covered over a year ago with Evo Desktop PC. Better user experience than Webtop+ or Ubuntop, not even close. Editing any type or large document or image editing proves that.
Battery life? WT3 is marginally better but with all it's drawbacks it's like trading Win7 for Win3.11 because Win3.11 runs faster on your PC.

Lokifish Marz said:
User experience better than WT2, maybe. WT3 still has many of the user experience bugs I covered over a year ago with Evo Desktop PC. Better user experience than Webtop+ or Ubuntop, not even close. Editing any type or large document or image editing proves that.
Battery life? WT3 is marginally better but with all it's drawbacks it's like trading Win7 for Win3.11 because Win3.11 runs faster on your PC.
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Good point but judging by the campaign webtop is positioned as a tool for browsing the web, web docs, music/video entertainment and phone functionality. My money says 3.0 takes the win in ALL of these categories. And showcasing this fact on YouTube IMO is the desirable, passive ***** slap moto deserves, as opposed to this boycott moto mentality that is generally ineffective.
Engadget headline: xda Devs lol'd in moto's face
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aaron.a said:
Good point but judging by the campaign webtop is positioned as a tool for browsing the web, web docs, music/video entertainment and phone functionality. My money says 3.0 takes the win in ALL of these categories. And showcasing this fact on YouTube IMO is the desirable, passive ***** slap moto deserves, as opposed to this boycott moto mentality that is generally ineffective.
Engadget headline: xda Devs lol'd in moto's face
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"ineffective", I think not. This campaign has already lost moto over a million dollars in sales. One contract cancellation alone cost them a possible $800K sale. You have to remember that Moto didn't ditch a couple phones but millions worldwide. Add in the press coverage by over 40 outlets and the proof that Moto was full of crap, you get the idea as to where this is going. If the estimated sales figures are correct (total estimates place the figure at over 3 million Tegra2 moto's sold worldwide) and only 20% of those affected ditch Moto, then the loss is around 600K devices (if Moto only makes $100 per device that's a 60 million dollar loss). Even Apple couldn't ignore numbers like that.
As far as WT3. It's a launcher. Already proved that a couple days ago. The is nothing really unique to WT3, it's a gimmick. If ICS was out on the Evo back in April of last year, WT3 would have been a one for one copy of Evo Desktop.

[IMPORTANT] Make Samsung release "Exynos" sources!

This thread is the equivalent on the SIII and SII Forums and not my idea. AntonLiv92 and scarface1991 started the thread to inform people where they can write personal concerns to Samsung, so they will release the source code and proper documentation for Exynos based devices and as you probably all know our Note is based on Samsung`s Exynos 4210 processor.
So as you know the Galaxy Note contains the Exynos 4 chip, which Samsung doesn't provide any up2date documentation of. What they release is kernel source, and a few parts of the platform source that aren't actually modified or really critical. In short, everything in the Platform tarball is stuff that is already in AOSP, and the AOSP version works fine. So our goal is to convince Samsung to release the documentation and sources for the Exynos chip that the developers need so much.
* You are welcome to join the "Polite request to Samsung to release Exynos source code" FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode
Write a request to Samsung asking them to provide proper documentation for the Exynos SoC:
https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos
https://twitter.com/samsungmobile
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile
It is also highly recommended to create inquiry in the OSRC:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Hope it works! :fingers-crossed:
The Thread in the Forums will inform you people where to contact Samsung, so that we get their attention or as codeworkx said:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
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So our goal is to get Samsung`s attention by writing as many concerns as possible of missing source code to Samsung. Of course it`s also important what you write, so it`s not just a big noob campaign asking for the Source Code. Codeworkx made a list of what is needed:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
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and Entropy512 tweeted to Samsung exynos about:
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos You have been discussing this for over a year with no results... TI and Qualcomm are setting the standard, you are failing.
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos For more specifics on my last tweet: TI has omapzoom, Qualcomm has CodeAurora, you have nothing.
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There are other signs that this might go somewhere, since this concern is reported now on several popular Android-blogs like Androidcentral and sites like XDA Developers, which will lead to even bigger popularity on this issue.
They also contacted the CM team:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.
You know that bad press for samsung is our most effective weapon to make things changing.
So if you want to make samsung to continue paying attention, you know what to do...
Fight till you got what you want to have.
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In the Media:
On xda-developers.com
On pocketnow.com
On androidcentral.com
On androidnext.de (Translated vesrion here)
I thought that this thread might me a good idea, since we have one of the biggest userbases on the Android-platform.
Now you guys know what to do

Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Beretta93 said:
Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Awesome.. Let's do it! The more we do the better.. Btw samsungexynos is really getting it from the community via twitter and facebook.
And @Entropy512 has written lots of strong tweets to them.. Let's support our devs more!
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Good initiative
I am in

This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:

Great work
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chasmodo said:
This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:
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Totally! Lets do this! If we want future builds of android , aosp and cm support.. lets get together..

Stand your ground and fight!

Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.

Great! :good:
Thread in the SII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
Thread in the SIII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
I really like how popular this thing gets. Let`s do this people, let`s make this as popular as we can. Great developers like codeworkx and Entropy512 tried it more than once to ask politely for this and Samsung did nothing. They wouldn`t even listen about the serious hard brick kernel bug and they still bringing out unsafe kernels. Now it`s our turn to make them to listen.
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Just send this letter to: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Dear Samsung,
without a doubt you build the best phones on the market and I really enjoy using the Galaxy SII I9100 but there is a problem. A lot of people like to use mods like the popular CyanogenMod on your flagship
devices. Without the source code and proper documentation great developers like codeworkx who is a device maintainer for Samsung phones at XDA-Developers.com start to turn their back on Samsung
phones like the Galaxy SIII because they are based on the Exynos processor due to the fact that there is a lack of source code and proper documentation. Since developers are the lifeblood of Android it`s
not a good sign to see them leave to other companies who provide proper source code and documentation. Qualcomm and Texas Instruments understand that and they released their source code and
developers are using it to do great things.
With this letter I ask you to release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 and in the best case it should include the following:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
Thank you for your great phones and I really hope that you will release the above stated things.
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ahalford said:
Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.
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Awesome!
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I'm in ,let the games begin.....

Of course I'm in. But do they really care about a handful (thousands) of geeks, flashing custom ROMs, compared to millions of sales ?
I hope they'll do.
Cheers, Markus

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trell959 said:
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Thanks mate!
Yes that is there automated response. Community members are messaging them on that site, and twitter constantly..

Done.
Come on ppl. Be a sport.

Dear Samsung,
This is another request for the release of the source code and proper documentation for the Exynos processors that are currently powering your high end devices. As many of your clients, I choose my smartphones on the basis of their popularity among the developers community, as they have been able to provide high end support for a long time and keep them running smoothly with
the most up-to-date software.
This support does not cost you anything, as you are not paying high skilled programmers to work countless hours on fine tuning and further improving your products. I personally think you are getting a great deal, for little effort on your side.
In order for this to be able to continue and further improve, I would kindly request (as many have already done) if you could speed up your promises and finally release:
Originally Posted by codeworkx:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that. And as a currently satisfied customer of a Galaxy Note (GT-N7000) I am looking forward to the JB (Android 4.1) update .
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This is my post on their Facebook page, lets hope they'll do something about it .
Thank you for letting me know about this initiative.

Johev, well said--> quote: "I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that."
They do not want sales suffered as HTC, so maybe we will success.

Great Idea!
Did my bit!

Also made a twitter account just to tweet to them
Will do this again tommorow
GG...
Also wrote on their fb wall
Hope theyll listen? *fingers crossed*
Hi androidindian, do you mind if i copy your thread to Note 2 forum? ill give you credit fully...
I just want to spread the wprd but im not very good with my words
Hope you wont mind
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[IMPORTANT] Make Samsung release their source codes!

Like the threads started in S II, S III, and Note N7000 forums, im starting a thread here.
It was originally the idea of AntonLiv92 and scarface1991, carried forward by androidindian to inform people that they can make Samsung release their source codes for Exynos-devices...
i am just carrying the message forward, you can spread the idea in other forums
How can you help?
By joining the "Polite request to Samsung to release Exynos Source Codes".
Here:
* FB page:https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode
Or by writing to their twitter account:
https://twitter.com/samsungexynos
You can also create an inquiry in the OSRC, which is highly recommended
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
You are highly recommended to spread this word im other forums, so that wordpower increases
As said by codeworkx
Originally Posted by codeworkx:
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do somethingIf you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
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It is also inportant to know what we are asking Samsung, so it's not just a big noob campaign with no wind.
Codeworkx has highlighted the specifics so you can get them:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
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We can confirm to you that its not just a fruitless campaign.
Entropy tweeted this to SamsungExynos:
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos You have been discussing this for over a year with no results... TI and Qualcomm are setting the standard, you are failing.
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos For more specifics on my last tweet: TI has omapzoom, Qualcomm has CodeAurora, you have nothing.
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This is reply Entropy512 got:
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This may actually go somewhere be sure to give your support so you can have better custom ROMs and much better mobile phones overall...
They also contacted the CM team:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.You know that bad press for samsung is our most effective weapon to make things changing.So if you want to make samsung to continue paying attention, you know what to do...Fight till you got what you want to have.
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IN THE MEDIA:
on xda-developers
on pocketnow.com
on androidcentral.com
on androidnext.de --->translated version here

This thread in S III section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
This thread in S II section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
This thread in Note I section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929307
For convenience, Scarface1991 made a letter:
Just sent this to http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Dear Samsung,
without a doubt you build the best phones on the market and I really enjoy using the Galaxy SII I9100 but there is a problem. A lot of people like to use mods like the popular CyanogenMod on your flagship*devices. Without the source code and proper documentation great developers like codeworkx who is a device maintainer for Samsung phones at XDA-Developers.com start to turn their back on Samsung*phones like the Galaxy SIII because they are based on the Exynos processor due to the fact that there is a lack of source code and proper documentation. Since developers are the lifeblood of Android it`s*not a good sign to see them leave to other companies who provide proper source code and documentation. Qualcomm and Texas Instruments understand that and they released their source code and*developers are using it to do great things.
With this letter I ask you to release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 and in the best case it should include the following:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
Thank you for your great phones and I really hope that you will release the above stated things.
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Android blogs and samsung blogs now posting this more and more..
http://bit.ly/SNy5jU (sammyhub)
http://allaboutsamsung.de/2012/10/sa...os-quellcodes/ (allaboutsamsung)
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10/...g-exynos-docs/ (sammobile)
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles...pr-stunt-r1176 (rootzwiki)
http://www.androidauthority.com/sams...issues-121487/ (android authority)
(Courtesy androidindian)
:good good:
Things are getting very exciting *rubs hands and fingers crossed*

also mate, do post their twitter account https://twitter.com/samsungexynos on the op. anyone who has twitter should write to them

androidindian said:
also mate, do post their twitter account https://twitter.com/samsungexynos on the op. anyone who has twitter should write to them
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androidindian said:
also mate, do post their twitter account https://twitter.com/samsungexynos on the op. anyone who has twitter should write to them
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thanks for the link, i don't have facebook, but i have sent them a tweet now. everyone should do so!

I have a question. I clearly don't have full idea how it works in terms of open source license.
Is this a requirement from Samsung (or any other vendor) that they release information regarding Exynos chip? They are supposed to release kernel sources, does the license also state that all hardware/driver related information also have to be released. Because, if this is not something mandatory, no amount of petition is going to change anything.

I doubt it will help much, but I did the facebook, twitter, and OSRC bit. I highly doubt anything comes of this though...except more frustration.

hot_spare said:
I have a question. I clearly don't have full idea how it works in terms of open source license.
Is this a requirement from Samsung (or any other vendor) that they release information regarding Exynos chip? They are supposed to release kernel sources, does the license also state that all hardware/driver related information also have to be released. Because, if this is not something mandatory, no amount of petition is going to change anything.
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No, Samsung doesn`t have to release anything of what we ask if they don`t want to (like they did in the past) but it would hurt their reputation when it comes to developers. Of course people who have no idea about Root and CyanogenMod will still buy their phones but people like Codeworkx and other great developers will eventually start to move on to other developer-friendly devices and as a reaction to that other people will do that too. I know for myself that I won`t buy another Exynos powered device if Samsung doesn`t change it`s attitude soon.

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@SamsungExynos Please release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 (and future 5xxx when available)
Here's hoping they'll listen...

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@SamsungExynos Please release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 (and future 5xxx when available)
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great thanks!

tstack77 said:
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@SamsungExynos Please release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 (and future 5xxx when available)
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Sent pretty much the same as well

Sent today too made a twittrr account just to tweet

Looks like Note 2 will never be getting support from CM. Step 1 to frustration.
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Been looking and getting ready to buy the note 2 but i guess i have to hold off and look for some other good alternatives maybe the next nexus or pad phone 2 or an HTC. No cyanogenmod or aosp support,no exynos device for me a gs2 owner
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just commenting so more people know about the petition

the most relevant samsung twitter account for us
https://twitter.com/samsung_dev

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/269749477856903168
Note II owners, are you with us?

I was going to start a thread like this myself, but then I saw yours
I soooo want Samsung to release the kernel source code .
Corey
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i have tweeted and send request for taking part in this. Thanks.

Developer Edition Community Stretch Goals

*This thread is about discussing the future of the Dev Edition as it pertains to the relationship between us and Samsung, and what we need from them. This thread will also contain official updates and information from my contacts at Samsung corporate.*
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm back home and able to respond again in regards to the DE situation. As you all know I had dedicated time to dealing with corporate on the matter of getting our phones in stock and working on other stretch goals such as software support. I told you all that Monday would be a good day but to be honest I had a feeling that we wouldn't have had our products shipped until Tuesday. I have a few ideas as to why this is the case, but more importantly I would like to emphasize and state something very important in regards to our participation in the developer program.
In all my dealings with the project managers and corporate wigs at Samsung I represented the cause on behalf of our community which no one there had heard of. I explained to them the importance and the legacy of XDA Developers, but most of all I made sure to tell them about the tight-knit community that helps each other out, the portal of people who band together in solidarity to raise support for developers, leaders, products. Most importantly I told them that not only does this credo bind us as a small group of users, but that the most important phone advancements come from communities like ours.
With that being said, we have a prime opportunity to make history by influencing their developer program in in a positive way. For that we need everyone to please be civil and respectful when dealing with Samsung customer service at the mobile accessories department. It is not their fault these phones were not ready to go out and they are willing to make it right. I say this as someone with an overnight order that not only didn't go out until today, but went out as ground shipping instead for Monday. There are hundreds of us, many calling in, and the last thing we need is to turn this into a clustercluck. The more positive we make this experience, the better.
I promised it would be a good holiday weekend with the Note 4 so take the time to enjoy it. The delay does push us back a bit on our goals. Tomorrow I will get to the bottom of this and hopefully get you an official explanation. Though we are delayed a bit, the volume of sales was larger than I expected initially which means that we now have a larger community. As one of "The First 40" from last month, we only had a couple of threads and not too much going on. I want to change that and so I will reach out to the mods and see if we can get our own space to collaborate and work together. This requires teamwork and participation as well as patience and a dash of happiness.
My contacts at Samsung see our numbers as leverage to get the things we really want, like support and original firmware as well as possible future updates. There's a lot riding on this so we can't mess it up. I can't delve into specifics about everything I've discussed with them but we may be looking at changing the way vendors officially view unlocked bootloaders and custom roms.
I've drawn up what in my experience is a good map of where to go from here with the product. If you have any input and information, this is the thread to add to the Developer Edition project pipeline. I can't believe we have to do the work for them and we aren't even paid for this, though someone's got to do it or else none of us are getting the full product experience we paid hundreds of dollars for.
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Any questions/concerns/goal ideas/requests here. This should be a good starting map of where to go from here. It is imperative that we all have our units, and we all have the safety net needed to not brick our units which is why Goal 2 is so important. Then we can go on to have custom ROMs. We'll need to collaborate but for now we will enjoy the device this week and figure out what you'd like to see out of the future with Samsung and the dev program.
Sincerely,
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Update 1: With a one day delay, many of us are getting the phones and it's now out of stock again. Great work, I doubt we will have an idea of when it will be back in stock until next week because of the holidays.
Please take a moment to answer this one question survey on whether you were able to order a DE or you want to and are waiting on the back-order. This will give us a good head count for demand.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uf...8JgFisXC4/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link
Thank you.

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Reserved for Goal 3 Updates

How about a program similar to HTC? This would solve almost all problems without even having another sku..

I just looked over the HTC dev program, it's pretty simple and easy to implement something similar but on a smaller scope as a test. The only problem I see with Samsung rejecting the release of the files we need is that it could be used on non-DE models to make them DE editions as we noticed with the latest shipping. Remember, Samsung is still a business and not our buddies so they need a fiscal motivation to compete with HTC, which we've shown them with this high demand. So far they have been painfully ignorant of growing demands and I would attribute it to them not knowing how to properly implement/make money off of this.

I understand what you are saying but why have a developer edition period. If you are talking from a Fiscal standpoint, why does it matter who unlocks the bootloader. I guarantee that they lose sales to HTC because people want root. Nexus and HTC are gaining popularity as Samsung is losing popularity. Verizon and AT&T are losing sales and T-mobile is gaining sales.
People don't want to have to pay full retail when they can upgrade and unlock the retail version...
Here is another consideration, why should someone who pays full retail price for the retail version not be able to unlock the bootloader. It's not Samsung who owns the device... Samsung is greedy for the money... If you give the customer what they deserve that in itself will increase sales.
Why don't you pitch that idea to them. Give the consumer the choice, what Samsung has done was push away customers and make us Angry.. I applaud HTC, they did it right

Hi Virgil, here's a problem I see with your approach. Samsung knows all to well that the huge majority of people buying the Developer Edition of their phones are not developers. They are everyday users who are willing to pay the extra money for a phone they can install a custom recovery on and root. I don't know the statistics for sure, but I would bet that 98% of the Developer Edition Note 4 (for instance) sales have been generated by everyday users...not developers.
I've bought 3 developer devices from Samsung previously. With each previous purchase there was a questionnaire that you had to complete (obviously designed for developers) before your order would be processed. That questionnaire was/is not present in the sales "process" for the Note 4. A developer program is a great idea, but won't go far without real, no kidding developers.
If we want to give Samsung a reason to take our "developer community" serious then we need to find a whole lot of developers.

The whole developer thing is dumb...I own a Dev N3. You have to pay full retail for a device that will never get any updates or any stock firmware package to fall back on. Each dev bootloader has its own signature that is device specific, so there is no way to upgrade the bootloader without a dev specifically signing it to your device. I am running 4.4 Alliance build 2 on a 4.3 bootloader and because of that I have a few small quirks with youtube and bluetooth. Not a huge deal but it irks me.
Samsung should just allow you to have the choice to unlock your bootloader via fastboot at the cost of a voided warranty. Samsung once had the Smartphone market by the ballz. Now they are losing ground.

Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods

VirgilWoods said:
Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods
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Hi Virgil,
Just wanted to say "Thanks" for doing this. It's nice to hear updates from someone who actually does have some inside knowledge even if a particular update is just that we are being heard and more info may come later.

Yeahp THANK YOU

VirgilWoods said:
Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods
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Thanks for your persistance, Virgil. If you can get them to release firmware for the Developer Edition Note 4 you will have promoted yourself from Liason to "The Man".

Motorola Failure to Meet Update Commitments; Petition.

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As many owners of Motorola's Atrix, Atrix HD, Moto E and other models know all too well...
- Motorola has not maintained an organized or regular update cycle for their devices.
- Motorola has repeatedly broken vague promises and hard commitments to update devices.
- This includes cases where the updates were promised on the Motorola website.
- This includes a case where the update was released with details posted on-line but was not actually delivered to the devices stated.
- There has been an instance where an OTA that was a 5.0.x update was displayed as 5.1.x when being installed.
- Some of the affected devices are not service provider branded (just Moto) so Motorola cannot blame the SP as they have in the past.
Picking up on an idea considered when Motorola backed out of their commitment to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop last year, an on-line petition has been created to let Motorola know this is not right. It is focused on the Moto E but is crafted so it can be signed by anyone who has been betrayed by Motorola's failed update commitments or want to see a better way of handling updates. If there is any resolution as a result of this petition, it is unlikely to extend far but we can still let them know about it.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course feel free to share details about pertinent experiences here in this thread but if you want Motorola to hear it, sign the petition and share the link to it. Also, For the Moto E you can make it known here at the Moto thread where details about the Moto E update are posted https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?page=1.
Motorola once was, and should still be, capable of better than this!
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Nov 1, 2016, Greetings:
Motorola. Has finally updated most of the Moto E line to Android Marshmallow. Even some of the devices thought to be left off the update list (such as US retail single sim XT1511) eventually got Marshmallow, although sadly only after many boot-loaders were unlocked. Also, this Change.org petition for Moto E has been automatically closed (naturally expired), which was timely because it serves no purpose anymore, so I'll leave it expired and will ask to have this thread closed. I thank all who participated with signatures or in spirit. It was small in scope but every little bit helps.
One last thing: Although Moto E has been updated, Motorola has not mended it's poor updating ways and have done something similar (even worse by many measures) to yet another device, the Moto G3. There is a petition for that described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015...sprey-t3476321 which I encourage all affected to sign.

You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.

Signed and shared.

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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.
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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.

Signed!

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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.
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Another good idea. Thanks!

I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Semseddin said:
I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.

I miss IDEN.

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I miss IDEN.
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What am I missing here?
[EDIT] Oh, I see. You're going old school as well. Nice.

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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.
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I haven't organized a petition like this before but participated for atrix 4g ics update and xt910 bootloader unlock petitions back in time, the electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k and motorola didnt give the smallest damn about those, just igroned us. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time to tame a liar company in a friendly manner, not worth it. They dont listen to their customers at all. I also like motorola hardware and that is where it ends for me, everything else in motorola just have the stinkny worst smell of all. Their marketing, service team, software team are all the worst but they used to have good engineers, not sure if they still have them looking at their 2015 portfolio can be called at best pathetic.
Hope you guys get the updates you deserve for your devices though. Just dont buy anything else branded motorola in future, this will teach them better how to behave as a responsible company when they dont see money flowing into their vault.
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.....electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k...
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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
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. .. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time...
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Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.

Not really surprised by this sadly.

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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.
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Whatever, live your dream. Here is your numbers. Operation mosh, signed by 16k
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
Now, you got ur numbers. Those petitions were for phones in premium range above 400$. Motorola just ignored them. You believe motorola would give a damn about your 50$ phone? Good luck with your dreams.
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...Operation mosh, signed by 16k https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Impressive that they got 16k and I agree with it in principal but that is a request to unlock bootloader, against which Motorola (and other device manufacturers) are well insulated legally. The same is not necessarily the case for provably failed published commitments to provide a product or service.
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Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
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A well presented case with good coverage but again, it is for getting an unlocked bootloader which is a steeper uphill battle.
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....Good luck with your dreams....
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Thank you for the warm wishes, and for the details of the other actions, which I did find informative, helpful, and actually encouraging (although I still have modest hopes).

i am impressed the poll has 80 / 100 right now cool !
I wouldn't have had to rip my hair out today trying to install v5.1 onto my Moto-E if they update with my oem (Telus)
It sucks because i just wanted to run the stock rom
I got it installed but no matter what i tried i couldn't get the provider connection back for calls/txt's
What a drag too ..i swear it started up and ran fast than 5.0.2 (what i went back to)
Thank god i made a TWRP backup before meddling with things..
So hell yeah i voted
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It's totally stupid they only updated *some of the oem's with 5.1
that is a massive slap in the face to those of us who missed out on v5.1 Lollipop !

I won't buy Motorola any more

Just a bit of an update. The petition now has 120 signatures which tells me that people must be sharing the link. Thanks to everyone who has signed and circulated it! I don't know what that really means in terms of the ability to exert some commercial pressure on Motorola but it does indicate that there are many people impacted by this, especially when you consider that there are likely large #s of people using the affected devices who don't participate in forums like this.
When I first gathered contact information for the petition, Motorola Customer Service provided an email address for the CEO that turned out to be incorrect. Fortunately I had others and sent a test email to see which would be rejected as invalid before creating the petition. Considering that experience, I've started searching outside the Moto support track for names and contact information for all of the Moto executives and departments that I can find to widen the target.
Thanks again to all who've signed, circulated, and provided constructive input.
[EDIT] Shared by user hyzteric at the Moto "excuse making forum" https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?commentId=1000234#1000234 is news that the Mote E is still being sold which is really low.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-either-update-moto-e-or-stop-selling-it
I already knew this but had not considered the ramifications. They are still sticking it to new purchasers of those devices. Lower than low!

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Soooo, although we differ on the merits of a petition we are in the same boat (betrayed by Moto) even if we may disagree on how to navigate it, and I must thank you for the details of the actions to which you referred. While hunting down email addresses of Moto's executives I also found the addresses from one of those previous actions. Between the ones I found that were not on that list and the ones from that list we now have a wider target for the petition.
Seriously - Thanks!
One thing I hope we have going for us this time is that it was/is not illegal for Motorola to decline to share their source code, but what they did this time might actually be illegal or at least actionable in a commercial sense.