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[Discussion] Android 4.1/5.0

This is inevitable. In a week's time, Google is going to release a new version of Android to compete with iOS 6. The million dollar question is: will the old and already underpowered back when it was launched Nexus S get an OFFICIAL update to Jelly Bean? I seriously doubt it. But there is hope. If it is a speed booster rather than a entirely new design and power hungry features, I think the Nexus S might get lucky. What do you guys think? Fingers crossed.
oops! accidentally beamed from my awesome NEXUS S!

Billchen0014 said:
This is inevitable. In a week's time, Google is going to release a new version of Android to compete with iOS 6. The million dollar question is: will the old and already underpowered back when it was launched Nexus S get an OFFICIAL update to Jelly Bean? I seriously doubt it. But there is hope. If it is a speed booster rather than a entirely new design and power hungry features, I think the Nexus S might get lucky. What do you guys think? Fingers crossed.
oops! accidentally beamed from my awesome NEXUS S!
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new os means a new nexus phone, so i doubt a new os is coming .. just a minor update if anything

Performance issues? I doubt it. Features don't necessarily mean slower though, better with ICSs built in data limiter/tracker than a 3rd party app for example. Depends on what they add though, of course.
Small chance we'll get it though. I'm leaning towards a fat no if it's released beyond August or so, before that and we may have a chance. Either way, we'll have rock solid ports within weeks, just like ICS. It amazed me how stable initial ports of ICS were before it was released officially, it was my daily driver (i believe i used eugenes). I have (blind?) faith in the same thing when JB is released.

Harbb said:
Performance issues? I doubt it. Features don't necessarily mean slower though, better with ICSs built in data limiter/tracker than a 3rd party app for example. Depends on what they add though, of course.
Small chance we'll get it though. I'm leaning towards a fat no if it's released beyond August or so, before that and we may have a chance. Either way, we'll have rock solid ports within weeks, just like ICS. It amazed me how stable initial ports of ICS were before it was released officially, it was my daily driver (i believe i used eugenes). I have (blind?) faith in the same thing when JB is released.
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I am 100% confident that there will be minimum visual changes. The dev team spend so much effort into making a guideline for Android app designs, they are most certainly not gonna ditch that. So that leaves us with one other major change Google can bring to the platform: speed improvements. Both app speeds and overall smoothness. If you check Google io app and the schedules in there, one of them is all about app smoothness and maintaining a constant frame rate. I am hoping that third party apps will be as smooth as the iOS counter parts within a few releases. But back to what this thread is about: I think NS is highly likely to get this update, since it runs ICS okay, but not as fast as some desired, (multi-tasking). So this update should be like froyo, not much visual, lots of under the hood changes, if NS can run ics, it can run jb.
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I think it depends on how big the step in version-numbers will be. 4.1 - we'll get it. 5.0 - nope.
Jelly Bean has always been rumored to be 5.0, but latest news have it to be 4.1. (Benchmark logs of an upcoming android tablet)
Remember the nexus one - it started with 2.1 and went all the way to an official 2.3.6.

caliban2 said:
I think it depends on how big the step in version-numbers will be. 4.1 - we'll get it. 5.0 - nope.
Jelly Bean has always been rumored to be 5.0, but latest news have it to be 4.1. (Benchmark logs of an upcoming android tablet)
Remember the nexus one - it started with 2.1 and went all the way to an official 2.3.6.
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Think about it: it might be a new interface/design for a tablet, Android really need something solid if they want any chance of fighting iOS and windows RT.
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Billchen0014 said:
I am 100% confident that there will be minimum visual changes. The dev team spend so much effort into making a guideline for Android app designs, they are most certainly not gonna ditch that. So that leaves us with one other major change Google can bring to the platform: speed improvements. Both app speeds and overall smoothness. If you check Google io app and the schedules in there, one of them is all about app smoothness and maintaining a constant frame rate. I am hoping that third party apps will be as smooth as the iOS counter parts within a few releases. But back to what this thread is about: I think NS is highly likely to get this update, since it runs ICS okay, but not as fast as some desired, (multi-tasking). So this update should be like froyo, not much visual, lots of under the hood changes, if NS can run ics, it can run jb.
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Considering that it seems like RAM usage is going relatively well within ICS, i can't see any worry about that there. 1GB would've helped in any situation, not just moving toward JB which likely wouldn't make a difference. That's the main thing that could have held the NS back. I'm with you unless IO implies anything otherwise. I'm thinking alot more will have to do with dual and quad core setups than our NSs single, particularly with the idea of constant framerates in mind. I see how there isn't that much left to do in the same environment and considering how much effort was put into ICS little will change that's not well below what we see happening, and most of that relates directly to performance and basically making the UI smoother, prettier and maybe a touch more colourful.

Billchen0014 said:
This is inevitable. In a week's time, Google is going to release a new version of Android to compete with iOS 6. The million dollar question is: will the old and already underpowered back when it was launched Nexus S get an OFFICIAL update to Jelly Bean? I seriously doubt it. But there is hope. If it is a speed booster rather than a entirely new design and power hungry features, I think the Nexus S might get lucky. What do you guys think? Fingers crossed.
oops! accidentally beamed from my awesome NEXUS S!
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I think that if it's more bloated and non-optimized, even less handsets could possibly get it then ICS. So I'm more positive NS will get it

Seeing as ICS was meant to be a unification of tablet/smartphone OS, I don't think they would release another tablet exclusive OS to tear that unity apart again. Also, if we're learning from the past here, the Nexus One got two updates before losing support so Jelly Bean should be the final update for the Nexus S.
Also, since ICS was a major interface revamp, I think Jelly Bean's gonna be focusing on other parts so really, Nexus S does not have any reason not to be able to support it. We'll see though

Have you seen this?
http://phandroid.com/2012/06/20/did-we-just-get-a-sneak-peak-at-jelly-bean-in-google-io-screenshot/#
Seems that the new version will be like froyo / GB transition, more improvement, better visuals. Maybe our devices will get the update.

Yea I'd be happy with a few extra features like magel but the main thing for me is probably just speed and making things look a little nicer ..
I hope they call it 4.1 if it's a smallish update though otherwise will have the same issues iOS six had in that really is like 5.5
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/2...in-play-store-outs-jelly-bean-as-android-4-1/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724180

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WGO6eQd24&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Looks like we won't be getting it.......
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What makes you say that?

sdhanjal15 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WGO6eQd24&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Looks like we won't be getting it.......
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True...
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This video has absolutely nothing to do with the Nexus S, so what makes you say we won't be getting it?! Galaxy Nexus has also been the first to get 4.0, so what?

caliban2 said:
I think it depends on how big the step in version-numbers will be. 4.1 - we'll get it. 5.0 - nope.
Jelly Bean has always been rumored to be 5.0, but latest news have it to be 4.1. (Benchmark logs of an upcoming android tablet)
Remember the nexus one - it started with 2.1 and went all the way to an official 2.3.6.
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"all the way" is stretching it though. We got from 2.3.6 to 4.0.4. Much better than the Nexus One in that respect.

Nothing has been set in stone. We won't know until Google says something. I posted those 2 links to show that JB looks to be a minor upgrade from 4.0.4>4.1. I think if this is the case, there's a chance we'd get it. Remember the N1 went from 2.1>2.2>2.3. 4.0 was a major change, which was the need for the first number in the version to change. Just my .02
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chronophase1 said:
Nothing has been set in stone. We won't know until Google says something. I posted those 2 links to show that JB looks to be a minor upgrade from 4.0.4>4.1. I think if this is the case, there's a chance we'd get it. Remember the N1 went from 2.1>2.2>2.3. 4.0 was a major change, which was the need for the first number in the version to change. Just my .02
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Agree with you here. Minor updates are usually pushed, major ones aren't necessarily. I think the only reason the Nexus S got ICS is that there would have been an outcry if we didn't. Seriously, a Google phone with absolutely no upgrade? That would have been ridiculous.

Prospects for Jelly Bean on the Xoom?

So...today Jelly Bean was accidentally outed on the Google Play Store as Android 4.1. If you added a Galaxy Nexus to your cart, the line item read "Soon to be the first phone with Android 4.1 Jelly Bean"
Obviously we are all expecting the new Nexus tablet to be unveiled at Google I/O. With that in mind, adding to it the fact that the VZW Xoom will reach 18 months in August and the WiFi Xoom in October, what say ye? Do we stand a chance of getting Jelly Bean on the Xoom?
I personally say yes since JB is just a point release. I'm sure WiFi will get it first followed by VZW a month or two later. If the Xoom gets JB however, I would be shocked if it received the next major release (5.0).
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Unless Google changes something dramatically like they did from Gingerbread/honeycomb to ICS, I would think the community will be able to get it running quite easily. However, I'm doubting anything farther than 4.1 will be official.
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Hopefully, havent had an update for my xoom in a long time!
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I think the chances of officialness is fairly decent, and even still, it'll be open source and the Xoom specs are still decent, it won't be hard to get it running. I even think the the next update could be official. HTC still give official updates the the Desire HD (Inspire 4G I think) and that's over 2 years old but still a decent device
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Hopefully this Xoom will be updated to jellybean should be easy since this device is stock ICS.

Motorola hasn't yet updated to ICS and you ask for Jelly Bean?????
EMEA Wifi + 3g Xoom haven't yet got ICS.
They will need at least two years.
What a mistake buying a product from usa manufacturer......never ever again.....

Xoom WIFI hopefully will be updated. It has received updates in a timely matter. If not the community will address the update.

I'm talking about the US version, where the Xoom runs stock ICS and gets updates straight from Google. The international versions have Motorola customizations and obviously, updates come from Motorola rather than Google. You guys are probably screwed.
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Did they just say that the Xoom is getting Jelly Bean mid July at the Google I/O keynote?!
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1:11 p.m.: Jelly Bean will be available to the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom starting in mid July.
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More importantly, the Jelly Bean SDK is available today.

So happen I still have my xoom... Jelly is coming in July... I can't wait....

Who cares about what Motorola does? We have some awesome developers who fixed ICS to us european users.

Forget ICS! Jelly Bean is looking very impressive! Love the offline Voice to Text function. And the Voice Google Search is really nice.
Google+ for tablets today and Jelly Bean in a few weeks. Exciting day for my Xoom.

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Did they just say that the Xoom is getting Jelly Bean mid July at the Google I/O keynote?!
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http://content.usatoday.com/communi...log-googles-io-keynote-address/1#.T-s_afXud8E
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Yeah, gizmodo reported the same thing: http://gizmodo.com/5921713/android-jelly-beans-new-features

So, one thing that didn't seem clear... the Nexus 7 is obviously designed to be held like a phone (portrait mode)... so the decision to still have it default to a tablet like interface in apps (larger screen) yet still retain the phone like UI layout makes sense... But what about for landscape style 10 inch tablets like the Xoom? Are we going to see the honeycomb like interface disappear and be replaced with the jelly bean launcher at the bottom / notification bar at the top?

That would be a mistake. I use the Xoom with almost entirely widgets. The large screen is conducive to quickly scanning content in widgets. Mail, News Reader, Calender, etc. without even opening the app.
But that new Google+ for tablets is definitely landscape mode.

I think it would be a mistake too... but it seems they are trying to unify the interface between the two even more... I hope not...

on the xoom 2 we still don't have ICS, not to mention android 4.1.
Keep dreaming boys.

ezekionokia said:
on the xoom 2 we still don't have ICS, not to mention android 4.1.
Keep dreaming boys.
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Tell that to Director of Product Managment, Hugo Barra. He said it.

ezekionokia said:
on the xoom 2 we still don't have ICS, not to mention android 4.1.
Keep dreaming boys.
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Clearly you don't get it. The original Xoom is a Google Experience Device in the USA. It's like a Nexus tablet without carrying the Nexus name. It runs stock Android and updates come from Google. The Xoom 2 is NOT a Google Experience device, therefore it runs a customized firmware done by Motorola and updated by Motorola.
You're comparing apples to trucks.
The U.S. WiFi-only and Verizon 3/4G Xoom models will get Jelly Bean. As for international Xooms, who knows. The Xoom 2 isn't part of this discussion.

Jellybean on our devices

Recently Google has announced Android 4.1 (code named Jelly Bean) at their I/O conference.
I don't think Samsung will update our devices with 4.1.
So what are your thoughts on this?

If they do, it will be in 2 years when nobody cares about it anymore.
:/

Why wait for Samsung when we have nearly fully functioning CM9, meaning we can have fully functioning AOSP as well. What would be better than an AOSP JB build?

mussieonlinux said:
Recently Google has announced Android 4.1 (code named Jelly Bean) at their I/O conference.
I don't think Samsung will update our devices with 4.1.
So what are your thoughts on this?
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Why would we not get it? It's a "Small" update that basically just builds off of ICS (Which our devices came with). I seriously doubt it will take longer than 6 months to get it, or if we our lucky we will get a dev port long before then.
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Why wait for Samsung when we have nearly fully functioning CM9, meaning we can have fully functioning AOSP as well. What would be better than an AOSP JB build?
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This is what I was hoping would happen, I read that you were trying to build us a straight from AOSP build which would basically give us the ability to go straight to JB when it is released. The GNexus was rather easy to port over without even having code so hopefully other devices should have a rather easy time as long as they have AOSP for ICS working.
Also, I think as long as we get fully functioning JB I would much rather have this tablet over the Nexus7 so my hands (And wallet) is in your hands devs! =P

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Also, I think as long as we get fully functioning JB I would much rather have this tablet over the Nexus7 so my hands (And wallet) is in your hands devs! =P
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The GTab2 is very similar to the Galaxy Nexus from a hardware perspective, and given that AOSP is almost fully functional minus a few trivial bugs, it should be quite easy to get stock Jelly Bean going once the source is out.
The lack of the MicroSD slot on the tablet is a huge deal breaker for me for the Nexus 7 tablet as I have already found some stuff that complains about a lack of space. Given that it is being marketed as a media/gaming device, it won't take long before the internal storage is filled with content for offline use, even if you have the 16GB version. It's a slight PITA to put stuff on the SD card on our tablets, but at least storage is easily expandable.

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The GTab2 is very similar to the Galaxy Nexus from a hardware perspective, and given that AOSP is almost fully functional minus a few trivial bugs, it should be quite easy to get stock Jelly Bean going once the source is out.
The lack of the MicroSD slot on the tablet is a huge deal breaker for me for the Nexus 7 tablet as I have already found some stuff that complains about a lack of space. Given that it is being marketed as a media/gaming device, it won't take long before the internal storage is filled with content for offline use, even if you have the 16GB version. It's a slight PITA to put stuff on the SD card on our tablets, but at least storage is easily expandable.
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That's exactly how I feel, when I setup my tablet I installed Max Payne, GTAIII, and Shadowgun and just some other various apps (None bigger than 50mb). After doing all that I tried to copy my music straight to the device (~3.5 GB) and it wouldn't fit, luckily I had a 32GB microSD card but if I didn't what would I have to live without? That's a decision I don't want to have to make.

imnuts said:
The GTab2 is very similar to the Galaxy Nexus from a hardware perspective, and given that AOSP is almost fully functional minus a few trivial bugs, it should be quite easy to get stock Jelly Bean going once the source is out.
The lack of the MicroSD slot on the tablet is a huge deal breaker for me for the Nexus 7 tablet as I have already found some stuff that complains about a lack of space. Given that it is being marketed as a media/gaming device, it won't take long before the internal storage is filled with content for offline use, even if you have the 16GB version. It's a slight PITA to put stuff on the SD card on our tablets, but at least storage is easily expandable.
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Any chance of trying to port over the Galaxy Nexus port? I know the GTab 2 and Galaxy Nexus have similar hardware.... Just a thought =P

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Any chance of trying to port over the Galaxy Nexus port? I know the GTab 2 and Galaxy Nexus have similar hardware.... Just a thought =P
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I'm trying to get a Nexus 7 dump to look at. I don't think the Galaxy Nexus stuff will work because it is xhdpi and we are hdpi. Hoping that the Nexus 7 is hdpi, or it could cause some issues trying to port one of the JB dumps.

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I'm trying to get a Nexus 7 dump to look at. I don't think the Galaxy Nexus stuff will work because it is xhdpi and we are hdpi. Hoping that the Nexus 7 is hdpi, or it could cause some issues trying to port one of the JB dumps.
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Makes sense, from what I heard the Nexus 7 uses 260 DPI, so it would be HDPI. Good luck!

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I'm trying to get a Nexus 7 dump to look at. I don't think the Galaxy Nexus stuff will work because it is xhdpi and we are hdpi. Hoping that the Nexus 7 is hdpi, or it could cause some issues trying to port one of the JB dumps.
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Couldn't we just scale it differently? Nexus 7 stuff shouldn't work because uts completly different except for dpi ...

I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung didn't come out with a new tab in the next few months. I just wish they would offer a touch wiz rom or a google experience rom choice to make updates really fast if you choose to use the google rom. I would buy all Samsung devices if that were the case.

I think we could get Jelly Bean because it isnt a huge update like 2.3 to 4.0.
But even if samsung doenst provide 4.1, the Cyanogenmod Dudes will do it.

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If they do, it will be in 2 years when nobody cares about it anymore.
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Are you serious? Has this been the case with every release of Android? Why? If true, when does the S3 get JB update?

hashibahoohaa said:
Are you serious? Has this been the case with every release of Android? Why? If true, when does the S3 get JB update?
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He is soo serious . Look at the galaxy s .... and this doesn't happen with them all but samsung yep. I'm honestly afraid this and the gs2 are just simply going to be left in the dust .

The tab3 will ship with jb and we'll still be rockin ics
good day.

I think we actually may get it... not sure of the date on this article, but it was one that I stumbled across listing all the devices that are supposed to get Jelly Bean:
http://tips4droid.com/tablets-that-will-get-android-jelly-bean-update/

Currently running CM10 alpha, I wont switch back to stock. But this looks interesting to see Samsung giving a damn about their devices.

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Currently running CM10 alpha, I wont switch back to stock. But this looks interesting to see Samsung giving a damn about their devices.
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Samsung doesn't have an issue with updating their non-carrier locked devices. Their phones and tablets tend to be some of the first updated to the next OS. However, their carrier locked devices take forever to get updated, if they get updated.

I hope Samsung sees the light and gets this update done...

CM10 is awesome although it is still experimental.

4.2

Anyone believe we get this? any talk anywhere of what this might beam for legacy (GED/Nexus) devices? Im pretty sure it was in some server logs.
I would assume it would be late Nov/possibly not even till January for that to happen.

Considering its an incremental update, we're only just approaching 2 years of age and I doubt there will be any major changes that would preclude the Xoom from handling it, yeah I think we'll get an official update.
I'm excited to see this Nexus 10 though. It will be the proper successor to the Xoom; the successor we deserve.

More than likely will receive, though as noticed in JB and even some parts of ICS, we didn't get all of the features bestowed upon the products bearing the Nexus name. There is ( in my opinion) a defining line between "Nexus" and "Google Experience Device".
Xoom will likely handle all 4.x iterations of Android, but would not expect to reach 5. All depends on hardware requirements and coding to accommodate older and newer.
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Winesnob said:
More than likely will receive, though as noticed in JB and even some parts of ICS, we didn't get all of the features bestowed upon the products bearing the Nexus name.
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Like what?

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Face unlock
JB stock wallpapers
New X (Nexus) boot animation
Sound Search widget (Google ears)
Single finger expandable notifications with 4.1.2
These are the top omissions that come to mind on the Xoom, there may be others.
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Face unlock
JB stock wallpapers
New X (Nexus) boot animation
Sound Search widget (Google ears)
Single finger expandable notifications with 4.1.2
These are the top omissions that come to mind on the Xoom, there may be others.
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didn't we get sound search widget? was it removed in 4.1.1? I thought I had it at one point (maybe I sideloaded, IDK)
also didn't realize we missed so many features (not gonna include wallpapers/screen boot though)
forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we need an updated kernel for these updates?

The Jellybean wallpapers change with the dpi. At its stock you get the old ics wallpapers, but if you change it to say the dpi to that of the nexus 7, you then have access to the new wallpapers.

Winesnob said:
Face unlock
JB stock wallpapers
New X (Nexus) boot animation
Sound Search widget (Google ears)
Single finger expandable notifications with 4.1.2
These are the top omissions that come to mind on the Xoom, there may be others.
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None of those things were removed/omitted because the Xoom can't handle it though. I think some were just overlooked and some are just not practical (face unlock - we used to have it and it was stupid on a 10" device).
I have sound search widget on my Xoom (albeit not stock - is this not included in stock?). JB wallpapers and boot animation, well those are easily added and the Nexus animation was probably not added because the Xoom is not a Nexus by name. The only one that is significant (i.e. not easily added by the user) is the single finger expandable notifications and I would definitely like to see that but oh well.

I needs me some Project Butter on my 4G Xoom

Google had submitted the JRO03H 4.1.1 ROM to Verizon for testing (it was leaked here back in early August), but now that 4.1.2 has come out, I'm sure Verizon is testing that ROM now. On Motorola's official update page, it lists the VZW Xoom as getting Jelly Bean Q4 of this year, so it should be any time now...unless they're just going to wait for 4.2, then submit THAT for testing and have it be our official JB update...which means longer waiting. Ugh.
Owning a Verizon Xoom and Galaxy Nexus is very frustrating from an update standpoint. Updates direct from Google, but only after Verizon tests the ROMs and approves it for rollout. If only Verizon's network wasn't so goddamn awesome and the LTE so freakin' fast.

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If only Verizon's network wasn't so goddamn awesome and the LTE so freakin' fast.
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Awesome reliability, but my Nexus switches back and forth between 3G and LTE so often, its not worth keeping the LTE on. As soon as I get two LTE bars, it tries to switch to 3G. Freaking stupid Nexus radios

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Awesome reliability, but my Nexus switches back and forth between 3G and LTE so often, its not worth keeping the LTE on. As soon as I get two LTE bars, it tries to switch to 3G. Freaking stupid Nexus radios
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Yeah, even on Nexus devices, the radio firmware is the one thing that the OEM still handles. Samsung has had one hell of a time trying to get those Galaxy Nexus radios working right.

Cubanluke88 said:
None of those things were removed/omitted because the Xoom can't handle it though. I think some were just overlooked and some are just not practical (face unlock - we used to have it and it was stupid on a 10" device).
I have sound search widget on my Xoom (albeit not stock - is this not included in stock?). JB wallpapers and boot animation, well those are easily added and the Nexus animation was probably not added because the Xoom is not a Nexus by name. The only one that is significant (i.e. not easily added by the user) is the single finger expandable notifications and I would definitely like to see that but oh well.
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I've never seen face unlock on the Xoom. Was this in Honeycomb? When I got my Xoom earlier this year I let it update successively to 4.0.4, and never saw face unlock. Why was it stupid on a 10 inch device - it still does its function, correct?
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Winesnob said:
I've never seen face unlock on the Xoom. Was this in Honeycomb? When I got my Xoom earlier this year I let it update successively to 4.0.4, and never saw face unlock. Why was it stupid on a 10 inch device - it still does its function, correct?
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No, no stock ROM for the Xoom has ever had face unlock. Some of the custom ROM developers included it and it works OK, but definitely not as good as it does on the Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7.
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Winesnob said:
I've never seen face unlock on the Xoom. Was this in Honeycomb? When I got my Xoom earlier this year I let it update successively to 4.0.4, and never saw face unlock. Why was it stupid on a 10 inch device - it still does its function, correct?
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Ah thats correct, face unlock never came to stock. As someone else said, custom roms had it but it was removed. I remember using it on my Xoom and it just wasn't practical with a 10" device.

How come 4.2 will still be JB? 4.0 Was ICS, 4.1 was JB ..

TheStickMan said:
How come 4.2 will still be JB? 4.0 Was ICS, 4.1 was JB ..
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It has happened before. 2.0 and 2.1 were both Eclair.

Personally, I'd prefer it if they saved name changes for X changes where version is X.Y.Z

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Personally, I'd prefer it if they saved name changes for X changes where version is X.Y.Z
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The rate at which Android evolves, this would be a perfect way to move forward and create less Confusion.
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We can as xoom owners look at ourselves and think yeah they will give us 4.2 but I think the xooms death for updates is looming. The nexus.10 is rumored and.that will almost certainly.replace the xoom if real for updates and as a product. We have had ics and jb now and if you look at other devices we have got our fair share of updates. I dont think.we will get 4.2 officially.
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Xoom not supported in AOSP

According to Jean-Baptiste Queru of the AOSP, the xoom and nexus aren't supported.... "There is no support for 4.2 on Nexus S and Xoom. Those devices should
continue using 4.1.2."
later, he says he cannot comment on the future of those devices. What does this mean for us?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1951841
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Hmm I feel the Xoom would run 4.2 fine I think it is a marketing ploy to make people upgrade my Xoom still flies on 4.1 hopefully modders can help out as I don't really wanna up date
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joshndroid said:
Hmm I feel the Xoom would run 4.2 fine I think it is a marketing ploy to make people upgrade my Xoom still flies on 4.1 hopefully modders can help out as I don't really wanna up date
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I think they're working on it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1885269
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unofficialy it will eventually come and it will run as smooth as nexus 10 because xoom has the capacity and hardware for it...it's not a big jump from 4.1.2 to 4.2

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it will run as smooth as nexus 10 because xoom has the capacity and hardware for it
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Don't kid yourself. The Xoom shows its age on 4.1.2 as it is. Compare the performance to a Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus and you can see the difference in speed. Just because the Xoom has the hardware to support the latest version, doesn't mean its going to keep up with devices with fresh hardware. Its coming up on 2 years as it is, which means a lot when there's new, better hardware coming out every ~6 months.

The one feature from 4.2 that I really wanted is multi user support. It was an obvious omission from tablets right from the beginning.
What are the chances of fully activating this feature in 4.1.2, seeing as it already has the underpinnings under the surface?

Yes, it's sad, but those that say it's a "marketing ploy" just need to realize how old the Xoom is and how much work it takes to port these new releases to devices. Money doesn't grow on trees, and neither do man-hours. Once the 4.2 branch started happening and the Nexus 10 hardware was finalized it became Google's standard 10-inch tablet internally. The guys who would have been doing the port internally in Google probably have N10s on their desks and their Xooms are collecting dust in some drawer. That's the way the world works.
That being said, if you look back to ICS, the 4.0.1 code dropped... and no Xoom support. Then the 4.0.2 code dropped... and no Xoom support. It wasn't until 4.0.3 that the Xoom gained AOSP support. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Xoom supported in a 4.2.2 (or later) release. The Nexus 4 isn't even supported in AOSP yet, for goodness' sakes! It will probably be someone's 20% time project and it will happen eventually.
Either way, if it doesn't hit AOSP, I'll either sell it to get some dough for a N10 (my mom has been talking about buying it from me) or lend my support to the porting process during the holiday break. The multi-user mode in 4.2 would be very useful on the Xoom.

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Don't kid yourself. The Xoom shows its age on 4.1.2 as it is. Compare the performance to a Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus and you can see the difference in speed. Just because the Xoom has the hardware to support the latest version, doesn't mean its going to keep up with devices with fresh hardware. Its coming up on 2 years as it is, which means a lot when there's new, better hardware coming out every ~6 months.
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dude dont be a ****ing noob, its not the "core" that matthers.

romdroid. said:
dude dont be a ****ing noob, its not the "core" that matthers.
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Thats a bit of a hostile response, don't you think?
And if by "core," you're referring to the SoC, yeah it kinda does matter. The tegra 2 is a tad outdated, its architecture being a big part of it (A9). The Tegra 3 was a nice upgrade on Nvidia's part, with the Samsung Exynos 5 being even better than that. I'm sure someone with even more technical expertise could explain more in detail on the differences, but the architecture itself is a good indicator.
Now on to personal experience. I've put my Xoom alongside a Nexus 7 and my Galaxy Nexus, all running 4.1.2 and yeah, the Xoom is noticeably slower. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10's performance in person. No one here is saying the Xoom is **** or slow or whatever. But it is, gasp, slower than devices with hardware that is fresh and not 2 years old. Newer technology is better, who knew?
So yeah...no offense but given the delightful way you went about disagreeing with me, I'd say you were projecting just a tad.
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That being said, if you look back to ICS, the 4.0.1 code dropped... and no Xoom support. Then the 4.0.2 code dropped... and no Xoom support. It wasn't until 4.0.3 that the Xoom gained AOSP support. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Xoom supported in a 4.2.2 (or later) release. The Nexus 4 isn't even supported in AOSP yet, for goodness' sakes! It will probably be someone's 20% time project and it will happen eventually.
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The difference with those instances and now is that the Xoom was projected to get all of those, it just took a bit of time for it to hit AOSP. According to the google groups statement, the Xoom is slated to stay on 4.1.2 (I forget the actual quote). Now of course, that could mean, as you say, that it might just be a while for it to hit AOSP, but I think that's being a bit hopeful. Hopefully we'll get an official word on it soon but I think thats about it, at least with regards to AOSP.
And honestly, the Xoom had 18+ months of official support. For those that remember, 18 months was what Google wanted manufacturers under the Android Update Alliance to go by for supporting devices. So they've met their own target and then some with regards to both the Xoom and the Nexus S.

It would be nice for the Xoom to have 4.2 support, but even if it doesn't happen, its been a fabulous 2 years, right? Because I think it has

alex94kumar said:
It would be nice for the Xoom to have 4.2 support, but even if it doesn't happen, its been a fabulous 2 years, right? Because I think it has
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It has been a fabulous 2 years, we'll still get 4.2 support, just unofficially

AOSP not supporting Xoom
No a very smart move by Google, me thinks, in not supporting Xoom after 4.1.2 ( Bless the custom mod gurus!!!). I know in my case I am going Windows Surface. Heres why, I just updated my 6 year old notebook to W8, and it flies.. new lease on life. If Google think I am buying a new tablet every 2 years, Stop the train, we have arrived at looney (google) central!!!!. Long live the custom rom(ers)

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No a very smart move by Google, me thinks, in not supporting Xoom after 4.1.2 ( Bless the custom mod gurus!!!). I know in my case I am going Windows Surface. Heres why, I just updated my 6 year old notebook to W8, and it flies.. new lease on life. If Google think I am buying a new tablet every 2 years, Stop the train, we have arrived at looney (google) central!!!!. Long live the custom rom(ers)
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The thing is, 2 years is actually...kind of a lot relative to the other first gen 10" tablets. The galaxy tab 10.1 took forever to get ICS and was put at EOL after that (back in June/July I think). Asus has handled the Transformer series pretty well; the OG Transformer received a timely ICS update and I believe was updated to 4.1, not sure if they're going past that. And finally the Acer A500 I think met a similar fate as the Galaxy tab, ending with 4.0.
So that puts the Xoom at one of 2 of the 4 Honeycomb tablets circa 2011 (were there any other notables?) that made it all the way to 4.1. Not too shabby.

Not shabby at all. A shame though that the reason for not supporting is a time limit instead of a hardware thing.
Phones changed a lot since nexus one to ICS
Not much changed hardware wise since Xoom and now IMO
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As I type, somebody is building 4.2 for the G1. Look, we can take anything aosp throws at us and make it work on Xoom, to one degree or another. It becomes a matter of performance. At some point, a previous aosp build will just be better for Xoom than the newest build.

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As I type, somebody is building 4.2 for the G1. Look, we can take anything aosp throws at us and make it work on Xoom, to one degree or another. It becomes a matter of performance. At some point, a previous aosp build will just be better for Xoom than the newest build.
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So does this meanTeam Eos is finished with rom support for the Xoom?

Just found in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1997434 that the system partition on the Xoom is rather small-could this be the reason that Xoom fell from AOSP support and didn't get all of the JB features?
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Muffycheeks said:
So does this meanTeam Eos is finished with rom support for the Xoom?
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