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[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.
Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?
Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.
It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.
I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
dontw said:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense
i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card
Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
As far as getting NAND working correctly check out this tutorial
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
And dual booting wp7 and android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
However if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd and as far as fixes and tweaks most of the time it depends which build your using I find that most of the time what works doesn't always work for others
Nintynuts said:
Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
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The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections. Unfortunately to say is that you might expect some problems using either Android or WP7 on the HD2, because it's still a WnMO device, although it can handle other OS's as well.
regards, Kuzibri
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
SpiderVenom said:
if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd
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I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections.
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Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
Nintynuts said:
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
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Well, I'm not really convinced that it's your battery. Check your SD Card and my advice would be: shut down device - remove SD Card - insert in to PC - backup you data to PC - do a slow format with PC - after formatting with PC, reinsert SD Card in device and power up - format SD Card with the device's SD formatting tool (windows - tools - SD Formatting tool). Power off device, remove SD Card and insert into PC and restore your data. Reinsert after that your SD Card in to device and power up again and see what your battery does. Should be much better.
regards, Kuzibri
OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
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you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
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wp7 on hd2 is as useful as it is on any native wp7 device...actually, even better than any native device, because you can dual boot with a good android build off sd card...i would suggest you first try the sd card gingerbread ram version from mdj and superram froyo from darkstone..to checkout the differences. i personally use mdj desire hd 4.6 on sd card (it cannot be replaced by any non-sense build..tried them all, but had to come back to it)and wp7 on nand...
as for the battery, try the sd card format as described above.
also..try this....confirmed to work...but no one knows why it works.. charge your phone for 8 hrs (even though it says 100%)...then switch off phone...charge for 1hr..then switch on and charge for 1hr..........you will see a gross difference in battery
SpiderVenom said:
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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I agree completely with SpiderVenom.
Right now, you do have some hoop jumping to go through in order to get wp7 working correctly.
I'm also using MDJ's NAND Gingerbread install with zero issues and excellent battery life. It's also nice that all of the purchased android apps are usable on both of my android devices. (I have an Archos 5IT.)
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
pakure said:
try the sd card gingerbread ram version from MDJ and superram froyo from darkstone
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I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
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also..try this....
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Thanks, I'll try that too
Nintynuts said:
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
Thanks, I'll try that too
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the ram versions are faster even than nand android
well, you wont get to know, unless you try wp7 for yourself..anyway, you can always fall back to wm6.5/android..its all one flash away.
I have been trying a NAND gingerbread build and it's running a lot better than froyo was off my SD, and the battery drain is reduced too.
However I'm finding android without sense intolerable. So I think I need to switch back to a froyo build (unless anyone knows of a Gingerbread build with sense).
I was wondering what's the best way of switching; Is there any way of keeping applications in tact? If not, is it possible to backup my existing NAND contents to SD card so I can flash it back if need be?
Also, is Android RAM ACTUALLY better/faster than NAND, and would it be worth having a WP7 NAND and Android from SD on RAM?
Finally, can anyone recommend a Froyo Sense RAM build? I find it very difficult to filter through the forum threads picking out the one that's right for me. I found a site which gives VERY brief overviews of the current builds, but it doesn't cover stuff like what's not working etc and not all the associated forum threads do.
isnt it a matter of personal choice...what may suit me the best may not be good for others...so its just keep trying till u figure which one is the best for yourself
Hi there all, I dont want to upset anyone but there are so many roms too download and there too much to read trying to find one thats suits. Could someone start a thread Bible listing :-
- Type of rom ie CM7, sense etc.
- Memory consumption ie does it require an SD card partition, how much mem left after install on a 512mb or 1024mb NAND?
- Extras supported by Kernel ie cifs, Ext4 etc etc
This would make it easy to narrow down to a few roms when looking for specific things.
Anyway if no likes the idea no doubt this will disappear .
the_mouse said:
Hi there all, I dont want to upset anyone but there are so many roms too download and there too much to read trying to find one thats suits. Could someone start a thread Bible listing :-
- Type of rom ie CM7, sense etc.
- Memory consumption ie does it require an SD card partition, how much mem left after install on a 512mb or 1024mb NAND?
- Extras supported by Kernel ie cifs, Ext4 etc etc
This would make it easy to narrow down to a few roms when looking for specific things.
Anyway if no likes the idea no doubt this will disappear .
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Do we need that? IMHO it will waste time.
It is better to experience each rom by oneself.
I remember at the beginning of the rise of HD2. I flashed every ROM every day
Now, is the beginning of the dawn of HD2. Custom ROMS are not as many as before to flash.
I now only flash one or twice a month
Cheers
Don't think, that anyone will take the time and make such a "ROM Bible" u asking for.
Have a look here, may be that's usefull for you:
http://android.hd2roms.com/
The most popular roms for HD2 are typhoon cm7 from twyeen, hyperdoid cm7 from pongster and the NexusHD2 from tytung.
If you sort the topics by the count of posting you will see that these roms got most of them...so you can nearly ensure that this roms are stable/smooth/ bugfree etc. and also suits to your needs.
Tested all three of them, all of them are nice roms, but I like the cm7 mod an always up2dated rom, so typhoons rom fity perfectly for me.
Consumption of all three is between 2 and 5 mah.
Which rom you will prefer you have to test yourself.
the_mouse said:
Hi there all, I dont want to upset anyone but there are so many roms too download and there too much to read trying to find one thats suits. Could someone start a thread Bible listing :-
- Type of rom ie CM7, sense etc.
- Memory consumption ie does it require an SD card partition, how much mem left after install on a 512mb or 1024mb NAND?
- Extras supported by Kernel ie cifs, Ext4 etc etc
This would make it easy to narrow down to a few roms when looking for specific things.
Anyway if no likes the idea no doubt this will disappear .
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Hi,
Have you seen this:
http://android.hd2roms.com/
Very close to what you want...
EDIT:sorry,duplicate.
My bad
It is beneficial. But is it worth it? Personally, if you want one so badly, then why not do it yourself? Can't always be relying on people, can you?
Fair Comment I would not know where to start. I notice most chefs dont list all the info so with out testing every single one or asking them all I would be lost.
This idea comes up every few months, and has done since time immemorial, in all the different phones threads, (there are probably 5 or 6 threads with the same idea in the hd2 winmo section, i wouldn't be surprised if there isnt one lurking in the wp7 section by now) and they rarely ever go anywhere. Sometimes they get started, but tail off after a month or two.
The problem is usually one of two things.
Either
a/ you are relying on all/most of chefs to update some database somewhere, , , which 99% of them won't do, , , they spend far too much time building the next rom, eating cake or sleeping,,,
or
b/ you are relying on updating the database yourself, which means you are flashing all the roms anyway, and several times a day, especially with teh nightly cm7 builds, which come out every day or two,, which is kinda what you wanted to avoid.
There are some almost lists, such as the one in post 3, but thats probably as good as it will get.
From my experience id say overall that Hyperdroid CM7 by Pongster is most definitely the best of them all, as regards Froyo id say Sergio Coredroid 1.6 is the best there but Gingerbread (not Ginger sense too buggy) on the HD2 is the way to go although ill be selling my HD2 when i eventually purchase the Samsung Galaxy S2.
the_mouse said:
Fair Comment I would not know where to start. I notice most chefs dont list all the info so with out testing every single one or asking them all I would be lost.
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Well I think it is fair to say everyone else is a human being, like you. Most of us go to school, have a job, a social life, etc. Meaning, like you, we are all constraint by time. So, like you, all of us would be lost too, if we do not test them all, and as said, do we have the time? So, it still narrows down, are you willing to do it yourself?
Well as you said time can be an issue, if there was a way to get the Chefs to give me the info I would happily spend the time to put it all together for everyone.
hehe, and we're back to being dependent on the devs spending time, albeit just a few minutes, several times per week, filling in a DB.
It was just an idea I know the devs work hard. Just delete the tread, I kinda thought it might upset some.
I'm a newbie at flashing HD2. I'd like to use both Android and WM7 before maybe choosing one of both. But I have several apps like a gps tool that work only on WM6.5. Therefore i'd like to keep WM6.5 also. Is there a way to multiboot these phone OSes? I have seen another one posting this question in January but no one has answered so far.
Also I didn't understand the required steps to set up either 6.5 or 7 as main os and dual boot (just in case multiboot is not necessary) and Android.
Can somebody synthetise the steps please? What do I need?
I know this is probably redundent with things already written but I didn't full understand what has to be done.
Thanks for any help,
Who
this is not yet possible as windows phone 7 and windows mobile both only work off nand and you cannot have to os on the nand memory
Ok...
Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?
who_am_i117 said:
Ok...
Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?
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I have to say im torn between the two but only on a couple of points
Wp hands down beats WM in just about everyway you can think of, i sure as hell wouldnt change it now that im used it, getting used to it is the key point there, it is different from WM, it does not pretent to be it, it does not pretend to be anything other than WP.
Outlook syncs fine if you use an exchange server or live service, i have one of each that syncs with my phone and i dont have issues at all.
However i do miss the little things of WM, namely that its a beast of an OS, it'll do almost anything you throw at it, i have some amazing WM programs that i really need so i have my old Touch HD running them now.
I would gladly pay money for someone to get WM running of an SD card, however i believe one of the differences of WM2003 and WM5 was that WM had to have persistant storage, (WM2003 devices used to effectively hardreset when you pulled the battery unless it had the backup battery) Essentially the OS was ran from RAM and this is where i think it might not be possible as WM5 cant be run from RAM, at least to my knowledge
Thanks a lot for your evaluation
For a while I was torn between Android and WP7. Until the very recent updatable Mango release (THANKS YUKI AND XBMOD!) the Android Nand install was a clear winner - no matter how many times I tried WP7, I missed my Gingerbread too much. Now with Mango I am finally throwing in the towel and installing Android on SD, just to end my suffering, hehe. WM6.5 wasn't even in the running, to be honest, I spend the past 8 years with various WM builds and just as many devices from 2003 onwards, still have my HTC Universal with WM6.5, but have no desire to use it at all on my HD2.
Mango is pretty sweet, smooth and visually lovely.
Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive I have to much stuff depending on 6.5. Now I'd like to load Android on an SD so that I'll use most of the time Android and when needed, reboot to 6.5. But at the threads for Androids on SD I have difficulties finding the build that works best. Can someone point me to the most reliable threads or the place I can find the required, most stable stuff?
Thanks for all the help already given.
you can use co-pilot on an sd android build http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738128.
WP7+android+co-pilot
VojvodaMomcilo said:
need 10 stupid posts
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you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums
dazza9075 said:
you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums
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With my experience with forums that require a certain number of posts, it often leads to posts worst than crap! Senseless crap! I rather people post stupid questions rather than senseless crap. Just my opinion.
On topic: It'll be groundbreaking if anyone can accomplish getting WP7 and 6.5 booting on the same phone. Their status on XDA would become legendary! Last I heard DFT abandoned that notion. I sure wish they would have more transparency with their projects. Maybe somebody outside their team can give excellent ideas. Why limit yourself?
VojvodaMomcilo said:
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How about a ban or two to go with your stupid posts?
I am not sure I would be keen on booting WP7 and WM6.5. Can't say I miss 6.5. Everything I needed I found in Android and navigation seems to be better as well. So even if it was available, I wouldn't bother.
And what Android and WM7 build/thread do you advice?
VojvodaMomcilo said:
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Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
who_am_i117 said:
Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive
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Dude, there is no such thing as WM7.
Ok my misstake. I meant ofc WP7. Not WM7. But so far no one pointed me to a good stable and recent version of android. Any help here please? I looked at boxmax but that doesn't seem to work that well. Even with patches I still see graphical glitches. I also didn't find an option to either revert from the SD loaded andriod to WM6.5 but neither could I find a 'turn off' button so I could restart the phone in WM6.5. I had to remove the battery.
So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD
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Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
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Well donealthough I think he/she only posted them so that he/she could thank someone for sending an MS activation code. still no excuse.
who_am_i117 said:
So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD
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Its in my sig below
I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.
enigma1nz said:
I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.
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YUKI's GONE OVER TO ANDROID???
I can't find it anywhere!
Are you sure
Aaaah I hear you say, another one, it's about time, welcome to the dark side, etc etc... Yeah yeah I know, it's about time I went from WM6.5 to Android.
Reasons why I stayed with Windows ? I liked the sync between MsOutlook and my device using USB and NOT "the cloud". Sadly the new versions of Windows (7 and 8) don't allow this anymore so I reluctantly joined "the cloud" (Google Apps for Education, it's free).
Now, I am ready to switch to Android, but, ... which version ? which ROM ? how does it install ? straightfoward ?
Can anyone recommend a good ROM that :
- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
- is easy to install (go easy guys, I work, live and breathe Msoft, it's my job, yeah I know, but it pays the bills)
- is in English
- is up-to-date
- is free
Thanks very much.
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
Boags.
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
here's one that you could try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
or check out the links below if you want to even multi boot your phone
mengfei said:
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
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Thanks, I'm happy just formatting WM6, no dual boot.
It's not a Tmobile it was bought without a plan or anything so I'm pretty free in that regard.
Any suggestion for a "clean install" ROM ?
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
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AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
Nigeldg said:
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
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Right, no need to be rude, I'm sure you've never asked a previously answered question in your life...
Nigeldg said:
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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Thanks, I'll read all that material.
AthenaLod said:
AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
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Aah, thanks for that constructive input, I thought Sense was HTC's best stuff, I'll try your ROM and let you know.:good:
Boags.
If you want a rom you can customize visually, try MIUI. It has a tons of themes so you won't get bored easily, it even has an HTC sense theme. If not try one of the CM builds. Gingerbread roms are more stable but if you want the newer android features like Google Now and some new apps do require ICS+ go for one of the ICS or Jellybean builds. If i were you i'd just try a few roms before completely settling on one and installing all your data etc.
OKay thank you both for your help. I managed to install "Nexus JellyBean" on my HD2... It wasn't as straightforward as I'd hope (there are a lot of prerequisites to Android, it's not just next-next-next you're done but anyways).
So yeah it runs, everything works, but there's a bit "but". It's slow as hell. And I mean sluggishly slow. I've only connected to Gmail, Hotmail and Facebook. Nothing else. No GPS, no WiFi, nothing.
A test : on the main screen, open Gmail. Wait for four seconds for the emails to be displayed. Close Gmail (there is no "close" application in fact, once it's opened, it stays as an open process and runs in the background). Open "Internet" and wait for ten seconds for google.com to be opened (either on Wifi or on 3G). Go back to the main screen takes forever again, then open Gmail again, wait for another five seconds, etc etc etc.
Seriously, it's bloody awful.
So, maybe it's because the HD2 wasn't meant to run on Android and I'd be better off with WM65, or maybe this build of Android isn't the fastest I can find, but then, can anyone tell me what build I should be running ? There seems to be so freaking many available it's no wonder "noobs" like me ask silly questions "which is best"..
I just booted the HD2, went to Settings/Apps/RAM : 235used and 174free... And I haven't even started using any apps...
So far then, not convinced...
I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
Txs, i don't know, I thought I had it flashed under WM65 :
NexusHD2
Android 4.1.2
Baseband 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14
Kernel 2.6.32.tytung_jellybean_r1
CPU ARMv7
Mem 410mb
Cyanogen 10.0.0-leo
Build date 07/12/2012
Build nr JZ054K (NexusHD2-JellyBean v1.3a) [DataOnExt]
None of these mean much to me, I'm still learning
bryan_0906 said:
I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
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1. He must have a .50 radio if he's successfully running NAND Android.
2. It unlocks 576MB of RAM, not 512.
@OP, Either go for GB or basically learn to live with it if you want the latest and greatest Android version. GB will be faster and more stable for daily use BUT won't have HWA so you won't have anywhere near as smooth an experience in web browsing and gaming. For your own sake don't go for a Sense ROM, they're just as 'slow' as JB or ICS. MIUI and CM7 are both great, I personally prefer CM but it's really down to your preference. Try them both then make a decision. CM has less eye candy and is far less iOS like but both are fast.
Okay thanks, slowly learning the "language"
Currently dowloading "Gingerbread" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060) and wiping "JellyBean"... (the guy who finds these names should get a job at the place where they name tropical cyclones:laugh
Keep you posted.
If you need any help with 'learning the language' check the guide in my sig which says 'A guide to all of the terms for the HD2'. It makes things pretty simple, and definitely helped me quite a lot the first time round.
So I "downgraded" from Jellybean to Gingerbread and though it's not superfast it's a lot better.
How can I tell my radio is the version that "unleashes" the max RAM ? I recall it was the latest available on WM65...
Any "tweaks" to make it faster ? A few apps often hang for a couple of seconds before they're available...
Still, it's a pretty cool platform I must agree, a shame Msoft never could be as good. Haven't seen the new WM though...
Thanks for all your help, and have a great 2013 !:good:
Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Sweet, so this is as best as it will ever get I suppose. Not a LOT slower than WM65 in reality, just a tad. Loads more potential tho, with the widgets and apps and stuff out there. I'll keep it simple anyways.
Still, you're probably the only person who, though a true Linux-Android fan, has publicly admitted Microsoft does it better, well in some occasions anyways : speed and stability is what most "professional" crowd need (a smartphone that does push-email, sync their contacts database and calendar with whatever server they're using, with the occasional websurfing, facebooking, tweeting or linkedin-ing).
Having worked with Msoft for over 15 years now, I had to try Android to at least understand what the fuss was all about, well I've seen it. I'll keep it for now, but I'm not convinced I won't switch back to WM one day.
I tried NeXTstep and BeOS once, loved them both as they were way ahead of their times, but sadly they could never been used as a professional tool. I think I can say the same for Android...
PS @Nigeldg, don't sweat it bro. No offence taken.
Yeah I think people often make the mistake of assuming that all fans of one thing simply hate the alternative, which often isn't true. Different things suit different people, I'd definitely recommend an iOS or Windows Phone to my Mum for example over an Android phone because they're more simple. I can only really respect someone's opinion when they know that there are always arguments for and against a certain point, if they don't then there's really very little valid input they can make in any discussion.
Also, I don't think you should really judge Android by your experience with the HD2, that would be like making a decision between a PS3 and an Xbox based on having played Viva Pinata on the Xbox and Killzone on the PS3. Android is a very nice OS and you really need the hardware to appreciate it. Having used Android on a GNex and a Nexus 4 (which I'm still waiting to order ) I can safely say it's now as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone if you get a decent phone.
Hi,
why don't you use WM6.x and Android on the same phone (via dualboot/tripleboot/...)? You can use the advantages of both OS and only need to wait 1 min. to boot the other one... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33988958
I use different Android-Versions, because no version can all I need... and I use WM, because I have some great payed apps... it's great...
Cheers Klaus
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda app-developers app
I don't want dual boot because I'm not looking for one solution, this exercise was just to test if a) I was able to do it, b) Android has what I need.
The answer is yes for the first questions (with help), but the second question has mixed results. Yes it runs, and yes I can do what I was doing on WM, but nothing more. Which leads me to my next question when I do decide to replace the HD2 by a new phone (because I need 4G and because I like new things, don't we all) : will I buy an Android or a Windows-based phone ?
My next challenge would be to test an iPhone