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"Apple may also curb any S II release since it has expanded its complaints to factor in the phone and possibly ban its sale if the complaint is upheld".
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/7590667-samsung-breaks-own-record-with-galaxy-s-ii-sales
This could be a good thing for US buyers and keep the value of the phone up.
However I am still trying to wade through the process differences between the Captivate and SGS II since I will be flashing both.
Hilarious considering how much of Apple's hardware is made by Samsung.
Apple really do make me laugh, use other people's ideas then try to pass them off as their own to the point of taking other companies to court if they use the same ideas.
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Hilarious considering how much of Apple's hardware is made by Samsung.
Apple really do make me laugh, use other people's ideas then try to pass them off as their own to the point of taking other companies to court if they use the same ideas.
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Another of many reasons I despise Apple.
And IPhone 5 may be only an update IP4 and named IPhone 4S .
jje
tbong777 said:
"Apple may also curb any S II release since it has expanded its complaints to factor in the phone and possibly ban its sale if the complaint is upheld".
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/7590667-samsung-breaks-own-record-with-galaxy-s-ii-sales
This could be a good thing for US buyers and keep the value of the phone up.
However I am still trying to wade through the process differences between the Captivate and SGS II since I will be flashing both.
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Samsung also did the same. They too asked for preliminary injunction on all ios devices in ITC.
If you want full details of the drama, check this piece:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59088935/AppleVsSamsung-11-06-30
It contains all the history and timeline.
Apple is so outrageous
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And IPhone 5 may be only an update IP4 and named IPhone 4S .
jje
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True. So since almost one year ago the iphone 4 came out in black, a few months ago the newest was in white! What's next? Transparent (cool!)? And raise it another 100 bucks? Here in Spain the WHITE 32 gig model is 50 euros more expensive than its black counterpart. They're charging more .... FOR COLOR!? isn't that some sort of racism? lol.
Its just business and apple is the master of it...for now.
Steps to a successful apple product launch:
1) Identify competing products that came first, and are better
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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5) winning
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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Steps to a successful apple product launch:
1) Identify competing products that came first, and are better
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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5) winning
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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Brilliant.......and true.
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Steps to a successful apple product launch:
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the story of apple (itunes coverflow is a classic example)
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
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who aren't they sue'ing? nokia and htc are also being dragged through the courts atm
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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iOS 5 with its 'notification center'
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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its status quo, it will get dragged out for so long as both companies have endless amounts of money to throw at it...one upmanship..thats all
i hate apple, and the fact their marketing seems to work on so many people...
Apple has been known to release it's products in a period of the year when most do not release hardware.this is to enable iphone to be the only hype on tv, as opposed to many companies all advertising their new gadget and sharing the crowd.
Also, Apple makes tons of money through a marketing technique it's a master for.i don't blame them.
Problem now is, they've been selling low spec gadgets at premium prices while the others were sleeping.Now Samsung is up, releasing a Super amoled phone, micro sd slot, bluetooth working with all devices, wireless sync, keyboard integrated voice control and the list goes on. This is a SERIOUS treat even to the most robust apple marketing techniques.They are therefore trying to clear the best phone out of the way in preparation for the iphone 5 arrival.
They've updated ios by copying lots of android functions and a release with SGS2 on the way will prompt alot of comments like ' this resembles such and such function of the SGS2', instead of the other way round as had been the norm.this has the potential of dilluting or destroying apple's brand name, something they are ready to pay any price to avoid.
If they band SGS2, tab 10.1 in the US, samsung should also request for all iphones to be taken off shelves in europe, korea etc, when they win their own court case.
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Apple is really worth burning down.they sued a company for using a GUI on their software without license. The company allowed apple to take them to court.in court they showed that they had payed licensing fees to xerox, who were the rightful owners of the GUI apple had copied and now claimed to own. Watchout for them patenting the android notification centre and all the open source ideas they've stolen to later sure them next year.
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Apple is really worth burning down.they sued a company for using a GUI on their software without license. The company allowed apple to take them to court.in court they showed that they had payed licensing fees to xerox, who were the rightful owners of the GUI apple had copied and now claimed to own. Watchout for them patenting the android notification centre and all the open source ideas they've stolen to later sure them next year.
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I believe el-G already has a kind of patent on the notification system, as I am sure I've seen the document
I think if it's true, it would be a good time for all android users to stand up in court as witnesses and say this was the reason they bought android
Then, apple are in doo-doo...
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It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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A judge with a Galaxy S2.
Apple suck.
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http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
Ooh apple
Spread it around
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That is just so childish it is unreal, can you imagine the outcry if they win! Apple seriously need to get a grip! Thanks for sharing :thumbup::thumbup::beer:
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Apple.. what a waste of resources that could be used on androids :/
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This is bad even for Apple fans. They are trying to be a monopoly. Monopolies are no good for the consumer. Very slimy of them to patent such general ideas.
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Very slimy of them to patent such general ideas
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I'm sure someone will come up with prior art to it anyway and make them burn.
The damage however is done - Apple does not care about winning (well maybe a little) but about the news coverage of them suing for copyright infrigment.
Worst case Google has to move Android development to e.g. their r&d center in Switzerland or UK (afaik none of both countries have software patents). US-customers are screwed, not Android.
It is such a childish thing for them to do. Just because android is getting bigger than apple for once.
"... go thermonuclear war on this" asshole.
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Surely this can't be allowed. Going by the patents all android devices are infringing!!!!!
jobs should have suffered more he wasn't an innovator he was a thieving bastard who went out of his way to ruin competitors out of pure greed
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The public should sue apple for trying to take away their free choice. Their latest attempt is just draconion and we should unite to stop this attempt to make everyone buy apple products.
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Surely this can't be allowed. Going by the patents all android devices are infringing!!!!!
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A lot more than android, what about other devices using multi touch or any other patents.
PS vita, 3D's, touch computers, hell.. I'll just throw it in there and say apple should try to **** over windows just because.
Apple is a horrible infection that won't go away like herpes. **** jobs!
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I understand no one wants to be cheated for their work, but this is just ridiculous.
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A lot more than android, what about other devices using multi touch or any other patents.
PS vita, 3D's, touch computers, hell.. I'll just throw it in there and say apple should try to **** over windows just because.
Apple is a horrible infection that won't go away like herpes. **** jobs!
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I doubt the courts will let android be taken down by Apple. Surely there will be some line drawn!
Guys calm down. Swearing and wishing a horrible death to someone who died already a painful death is not making you look mature or protecting any company from IP claims.
We are talking about huge companies sueing each other publicly. Just because the press didn't cover it before as much didn't mean it didn't happen. Take SCO for instance. I think 99% of the readers won't even recognize that brand - had they been able to prove (or at least successfully claim) copyright to Unix, Linux (known as today) and by extension the Linux-based systems such as Android would not be FOSS (free and opensource). (At least not in the US)
My point is, let them wage their wars, sit back and enjoy the show. If no media cover it, they won't try such high-stake obviously media-oriented stunts.
Even if Apple should gain the patents, they most likely will result in FRAND (fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory) which means a few Cent more to the already very high IP cost per device.
Oh, just a note:
Both Google-released Android browsers rely on Webkit which has been started as a fork of KHTML/KJS by... Apple.
If you want to print something on UNIXiod operating systems you most probably use CUPS by.... Apple
The only non-proprietary programming language for GPU-based programs, OpenCL, was started by... Apple
Don't say they just steal. They added and continue to add a lot of great functionality to opensource software we rely on every day.
Yeah, it's 25 patents. Compared to how many patents there are total, like Motorola which is owned by Google which has like 4000+ patents, that's very little.
It also depends on specifics, like for example Motorola owns its own patent on multi touch etc.
This will be a large lame battle of "technicalities" that can be interpreted correctly or incorrectly.
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maybe Google will use Motorola's patents which cover communication as far as I know.
Sadly apple is worse than a crying baby wanting other kid's ball because it theirs even if it's not.
let's see what happens in the future but this is a desperate move fom apple, knowing they are losing the battle
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maybe Google will use Motorola's patents which cover communication as far as I know.
Sadly apple is worse than a crying baby wanting other kid's ball because it theirs even if it's not.
let's see what happens in the future but this is a desperate move fom apple, knowing they are losing the battle
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If the courts allowed Apple to ban devices infringing on these patents then this would create a monopoly. So it won't happen all I see happening is the possibility of Google paying a fee to apple for use of the patents. Which sucks!
How on earth could anyone possibly grant apple a patent for lists? Even the old Nokia 3310 had lists. The patent office might just as well have granted them a patent for the ability to make calls.
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a patent for the ability to make calls.
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Could be a good weapon for their "thermonuclear war"...
With custom roms available even if Apple won and android could no longer use such features. I am sure there would be custom roms made with these features in tact.
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With custom roms available even if Apple won and android could no longer use such features. I am sure there would be custom roms made with these features in tact.
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People would make the play store2
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
Actually this video (as some of you would have probably already seen) would be more relevant: especially @4:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I remember that 1994 Steve Jobs interview when he basically admits he steals ideas, but that was when Apple were really struggling so didn't have investors and shareholders that would have shot him in the kneecaps if he said the same thing recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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American courts, American company.
Do you think Johnny Foreigner is ever gonna get a fair trial against a huge American company like Apple? I mean big business always funds election campaigns over there so companies like Apple have basically bought shares in USA plc.
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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The lawyers are horrible. It is easy to defend that. All they need is to get a hand on any documents that show Apple researching Windows OS because everyone knows everyone, including Apple researches other companies.
The recent Samsung documents telling the designers how the Galaxy S should differ from the iPhone are a real blow to the whole case, in my opinion. That's what has to stand the brunt of the attack now.
Also, one of Samsung's documents was rejected by the court. I think they brought it in too late. That's why they leaked it to the public. Ah, Samsung. What are you doing to yourselves?!
Has the whole world gone mad or just America? **** Apple. They will repeat history.. come and go.
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S (mainly i9000 model) from the iPhone. The first thought that came into my head when they revealed the phone was "why does it look like an iphone inside and out?" I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone...even down to the touchwiz icons and UI.
With that being said, the US patent system needs a complete overhaul to stop these frivolous suits and the Supreme Court needs to set precedence once and for all.
Todays consumer are smart. They know what they are buying. A small boy will differentiate sammy from apple. Grow up apple
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S
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Korean, japanese and russian companies all have the same principle: first copy a device, then optimize and extend it so much with the gained experience that it becomes superior to the original.
The Chinese unfortunately are not quite there yet - mainly due to lack of hightech but it won't be long.
I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone
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Sadly only from looks. It was sooooo sloooooow even though it's based on good hardware, mainly because Samsung decided to go with their RFS and other software issues.
For those of you who haven't seen the video
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The main problem with the video is that they exclude software, where Apple (partially more or less involuntarely since they base on FOSS software) has contributed lots of patches and extensions to existing standards and helped push new ones. Google's Chrome for instance would at least have had a much harder start if not for Apple's Safari and the resulting changes in the Webkit engine.
Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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The universal search patent is especially retarded.
This has always been my bugbear with patent law. Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!). However, the simple solution would be to do what LG and Sony already do and that is pay the damned patent license. Yes it increases overall handset cost but not significantly.
It's sad when you consider the patents would have only added on about $5 to the cost of each handset. I doubt anyone would have said "oh man, the s3 is great, but its $5 bucks over my budget".
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Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!).
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Wrong. It may very well be the case that Apple are suing over technology that overlaps with others patents, but it should not be doing so because it does not have the right to sue over patents it has licensed from others. From a legal standpoint they are anything but Apple's patents.
Even Intellectual Property licensed with the explicit intention of allowing a third-party to sue over the IP, isn't valid for a suit (big case on that in recent years).
Licensing means I say "Okay you can use my spatula when you need it in exchange for your mother's bra". It doesn't mean if on some other occasion someone else has it you can scream "Thief!! That spatula doesn't belong to you, give it back!" At the end of the day it's still my spatula so I can still give it to whomever else I want, and if someone steals it, that's my concern not yours.
Same thing: the patents are still Nokia's. The absolute best Apple could do is pressure Nokia into suing. You cannot sue on someone else's behalf except in exceptional cases like the would-be plaintiff is under-age, or dead.
Well, whatever the case may be, we all know that Apple is a crap company and it's trying to threaten our beloved Android. I love the fact that Android is open-source. I love the fact that Android-based devices are popping up everywhere. Nikon has made an Android-based camera. Isn't it lovely when all your devices use the same software? Isn't it amazing that we can legally hack these devices and modify them? Thank you Google for being such a friendly company!
This section is for the discussion of the SGS3, not for apple nonsense.
Closed.
Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
A monopoly for apple in US?
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Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
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I would think it means almost nothing for android. As far as for Samsung it probably just means more money spent on appeals in court.
JMHO
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Take comfort in the fact that google wont let those features go without a fight
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Current devices will continue to have that functionality. They won't remove it from your product
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Hopefully Samsung wins on Appeal...
Apple suing to stifle competition is why I looked at Android.
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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As ridiculous as that seems, I'd think it a good laugh if I saw a dude rock up in an apple store demanding help since the "stolen copied Apple-tech" has a problem.
I'm just glad most of these ridiculous patent wars are in the US only and the rest of us can still enjoy imports without too much hassle.
As far as the patents go, Apple would probably patent the fact that their devices use a battery if they could, its stifling competition to the detriment of all consumers. Competition is healthy and stimulates innovation
Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Every phone manufacturer does an extensive study on their competitors' products.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Indeed! At to put perspective further, Apple even copied (Xerox) to get where they are. The game is not "who copied who", but rather who gets the patent first.
Apple is playing a dangerous game of "patenting" and sueing everyone. Making the competition unable to input basic idea in their products, I honeslty think it's a matter of time before Apple Gets sued by everyone they've copied over the years, and they copied a lot of people!
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Copying isn't the real issue, it's the patent office. For example one of the design patents Apple was granted was for a rectangle with rounded corners. I think that anyone that's used a tray in a cafeteria knows that this is a silly patent. Yet Samsung had to defend this in court.
The patent office has publicly stated that they are under budget and overwhelmed with patent applications and that they do little research on prior art these days. They have stated that the will grant patents and let the courts sort it out. This is their way of sending a political message to Washington for more money. What results are judgements like we saw last Friday.
I believe that Samsung took a calculated risk when they copied Apple's alleged patents. They were a distant second place in the phone market behind Apple and saw what was happening to RIM and Nokia. Copying Apple not only thrust Samsung into first place, by a wide margin, it netted them $6 billion. That's a good leverage on the $1B judgement.
In any event, Samsung is now the number one phone maker an the threat of these kinds of lawsuits in the future are minimal since the Samsung products are now superior and we find Apple copying Android.
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
Jacksmyname said:
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Yes, the awards by the jury presumed EVERY Samsung phone purchased was a lost sale for Apple. My understanding is that this decision alone is grounds for appeal.
Must Watch...!!!
This was extracted from TED talks.
Jacksmyname said:
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
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I've been saying this along, does Apple think its customer base is not smart enough to differentiate between Apple and Samsung products? "Oh NOOOOs I just bought a Samsung when I thought I was getting the iPhone!" The entire design patent is a joke, next lawsuit is against Applebees for using similar name and rectangle tables with rounded edges!
I'm not a fanboi, I just hate stupidity!
http://mashable.com/2012/08/25/verdict-benefit-samsung-apple/
What do ya'll think? Does this make you think twice about any purchase's you make??
boom boom pow!
samsung must learn the lesson...
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That actually makes a lot of sense, 1 billion dollars isn't much considering how many phones Sammy sold/will sell on the back of emulating apple.
Best advertising campaign indeed, people will now see that apple are bending them over and banging them without even having the courtesy of using lube when it comes to price.
I kinda knew that somehow apple would be their own downfall and it will be something like this, there is always a case of being too smart for your own good.
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
Cdjones187 said:
Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Oh I'm sure Samsung was just waiting for your advice before they made their next move. Finally
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1 billion is all what apple can get! what else? they have nothing left in their pocket to accuse samsung...
Samsung has already changed their hardware and software design starting from s3.. Apart from the software patents nothing is going to hurt samsung.
Apple dug its own grave
Cdjones187 said:
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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No they should not. Keep in mind that Samsung now earns on both their own phones and iPhones, this is business and business is about squeezing out every last dime.
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Cdjones187 said:
Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Apple didn't settle for anything. Samsung made offers but Apple took it all the way to trial. The jury awarded 1.05 billion didn't they? Im not that familiar with patent law in the US, but it seems like they've been awarded that amount and it's tough **** if they don't like it.
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Cdjones187 said:
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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That's really bad advice. You might as well tell Apple to stop selling iPods. Selling components is one of Samsungs main businesses, they're obviously not going to stop doing that for one of their main customers.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Yep.. totally agree with you.
Samsung's main strategy is marketing. Here in India if you enter a mobile store the first thing they show is a Samsung phone in your budget. They do the same for television sets and refrigerators.
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How many iPhones and ipads have sold in the last few Years? To which Samsung supply chips for both, pretty sure the 1+bn dollar would have nearly been paid by apple them selves.
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They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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The galaxy S2 and S3 don't look like iPhones, but the original galaxy S looks near identical to the iPhone. Samsung themselves have proved its possible not to copy.
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even a five year old knows what the difference between a galaxy s and iphone , seriously if any company wants to copy a iphone , lol mold it into a exact replica of it , why bother to add two extra capacitive buttons on it
Well i remember going into an O2 shop with my daughter who was 10 at the time, and she picked up the galaxy s and said wow Samsung are making an iphone.......
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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Exactly, I disagree with Samsung getting to number 2 by copying. I think they earned it fair and square.
Apple's retaliation at loosing out on sales to companies which are making better phones than theirs. Seriously Apple, make a more OS unrestricted phone and people may just come back to you.
IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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Apple is loosing appeal. Many collegues of mine asked me info about SGS [ 2 | 3] because they were grown tired of iPhone and iOS... here and there I read, expecially among fashion/rich youngsters, iPhone isn't cool anymore; reasons are questionable but who really cares?
Anyway there will always be iOS users and fanboys and it must be this way. We need competition to have always a better OS.
About the lawsuit... Samsung copied the whole first wave design and it gaines success only for that. The first SGS, at launch, had very bad performance due to the terrible file-system used. So the lawsuit was lecit.
The real earthquake was SGS2 with its unmatched -among Androids- fluidity... its design was vaguely inspired to iPhone, but not the key to success.
Too bad no one of the jury debated the rightfulness of those patents :\