Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
A monopoly for apple in US?
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Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
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I would think it means almost nothing for android. As far as for Samsung it probably just means more money spent on appeals in court.
JMHO
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Take comfort in the fact that google wont let those features go without a fight
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bbeelzebub said:
I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Current devices will continue to have that functionality. They won't remove it from your product
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Hopefully Samsung wins on Appeal...
Apple suing to stifle competition is why I looked at Android.
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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As ridiculous as that seems, I'd think it a good laugh if I saw a dude rock up in an apple store demanding help since the "stolen copied Apple-tech" has a problem.
I'm just glad most of these ridiculous patent wars are in the US only and the rest of us can still enjoy imports without too much hassle.
As far as the patents go, Apple would probably patent the fact that their devices use a battery if they could, its stifling competition to the detriment of all consumers. Competition is healthy and stimulates innovation
Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Every phone manufacturer does an extensive study on their competitors' products.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Indeed! At to put perspective further, Apple even copied (Xerox) to get where they are. The game is not "who copied who", but rather who gets the patent first.
Apple is playing a dangerous game of "patenting" and sueing everyone. Making the competition unable to input basic idea in their products, I honeslty think it's a matter of time before Apple Gets sued by everyone they've copied over the years, and they copied a lot of people!
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Copying isn't the real issue, it's the patent office. For example one of the design patents Apple was granted was for a rectangle with rounded corners. I think that anyone that's used a tray in a cafeteria knows that this is a silly patent. Yet Samsung had to defend this in court.
The patent office has publicly stated that they are under budget and overwhelmed with patent applications and that they do little research on prior art these days. They have stated that the will grant patents and let the courts sort it out. This is their way of sending a political message to Washington for more money. What results are judgements like we saw last Friday.
I believe that Samsung took a calculated risk when they copied Apple's alleged patents. They were a distant second place in the phone market behind Apple and saw what was happening to RIM and Nokia. Copying Apple not only thrust Samsung into first place, by a wide margin, it netted them $6 billion. That's a good leverage on the $1B judgement.
In any event, Samsung is now the number one phone maker an the threat of these kinds of lawsuits in the future are minimal since the Samsung products are now superior and we find Apple copying Android.
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Yes, the awards by the jury presumed EVERY Samsung phone purchased was a lost sale for Apple. My understanding is that this decision alone is grounds for appeal.
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This was extracted from TED talks.
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But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
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I've been saying this along, does Apple think its customer base is not smart enough to differentiate between Apple and Samsung products? "Oh NOOOOs I just bought a Samsung when I thought I was getting the iPhone!" The entire design patent is a joke, next lawsuit is against Applebees for using similar name and rectangle tables with rounded edges!
I'm not a fanboi, I just hate stupidity!
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"Apple may also curb any S II release since it has expanded its complaints to factor in the phone and possibly ban its sale if the complaint is upheld".
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/7590667-samsung-breaks-own-record-with-galaxy-s-ii-sales
This could be a good thing for US buyers and keep the value of the phone up.
However I am still trying to wade through the process differences between the Captivate and SGS II since I will be flashing both.
Hilarious considering how much of Apple's hardware is made by Samsung.
Apple really do make me laugh, use other people's ideas then try to pass them off as their own to the point of taking other companies to court if they use the same ideas.
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Hilarious considering how much of Apple's hardware is made by Samsung.
Apple really do make me laugh, use other people's ideas then try to pass them off as their own to the point of taking other companies to court if they use the same ideas.
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Another of many reasons I despise Apple.
And IPhone 5 may be only an update IP4 and named IPhone 4S .
jje
tbong777 said:
"Apple may also curb any S II release since it has expanded its complaints to factor in the phone and possibly ban its sale if the complaint is upheld".
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/7590667-samsung-breaks-own-record-with-galaxy-s-ii-sales
This could be a good thing for US buyers and keep the value of the phone up.
However I am still trying to wade through the process differences between the Captivate and SGS II since I will be flashing both.
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Samsung also did the same. They too asked for preliminary injunction on all ios devices in ITC.
If you want full details of the drama, check this piece:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59088935/AppleVsSamsung-11-06-30
It contains all the history and timeline.
Apple is so outrageous
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And IPhone 5 may be only an update IP4 and named IPhone 4S .
jje
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True. So since almost one year ago the iphone 4 came out in black, a few months ago the newest was in white! What's next? Transparent (cool!)? And raise it another 100 bucks? Here in Spain the WHITE 32 gig model is 50 euros more expensive than its black counterpart. They're charging more .... FOR COLOR!? isn't that some sort of racism? lol.
Its just business and apple is the master of it...for now.
Steps to a successful apple product launch:
1) Identify competing products that came first, and are better
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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5) winning
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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Steps to a successful apple product launch:
1) Identify competing products that came first, and are better
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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5) winning
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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Brilliant.......and true.
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Steps to a successful apple product launch:
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the story of apple (itunes coverflow is a classic example)
2) Sue them, and get an injunction on the sales of the product
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who aren't they sue'ing? nokia and htc are also being dragged through the courts atm
3) Release sub-standard product to an uncompetitive market
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iOS 5 with its 'notification center'
It's cheating, and when a judge gets sick of it, we all know what way Apple's shares will go...
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its status quo, it will get dragged out for so long as both companies have endless amounts of money to throw at it...one upmanship..thats all
i hate apple, and the fact their marketing seems to work on so many people...
Apple has been known to release it's products in a period of the year when most do not release hardware.this is to enable iphone to be the only hype on tv, as opposed to many companies all advertising their new gadget and sharing the crowd.
Also, Apple makes tons of money through a marketing technique it's a master for.i don't blame them.
Problem now is, they've been selling low spec gadgets at premium prices while the others were sleeping.Now Samsung is up, releasing a Super amoled phone, micro sd slot, bluetooth working with all devices, wireless sync, keyboard integrated voice control and the list goes on. This is a SERIOUS treat even to the most robust apple marketing techniques.They are therefore trying to clear the best phone out of the way in preparation for the iphone 5 arrival.
They've updated ios by copying lots of android functions and a release with SGS2 on the way will prompt alot of comments like ' this resembles such and such function of the SGS2', instead of the other way round as had been the norm.this has the potential of dilluting or destroying apple's brand name, something they are ready to pay any price to avoid.
If they band SGS2, tab 10.1 in the US, samsung should also request for all iphones to be taken off shelves in europe, korea etc, when they win their own court case.
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Apple is really worth burning down.they sued a company for using a GUI on their software without license. The company allowed apple to take them to court.in court they showed that they had payed licensing fees to xerox, who were the rightful owners of the GUI apple had copied and now claimed to own. Watchout for them patenting the android notification centre and all the open source ideas they've stolen to later sure them next year.
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Apple is really worth burning down.they sued a company for using a GUI on their software without license. The company allowed apple to take them to court.in court they showed that they had payed licensing fees to xerox, who were the rightful owners of the GUI apple had copied and now claimed to own. Watchout for them patenting the android notification centre and all the open source ideas they've stolen to later sure them next year.
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I believe el-G already has a kind of patent on the notification system, as I am sure I've seen the document
I think if it's true, it would be a good time for all android users to stand up in court as witnesses and say this was the reason they bought android
Then, apple are in doo-doo...
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A judge with a Galaxy S2.
Apple suck.
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Before Apple has all production and sales stopped? The injunction may pass to prevent sales on 4 Samsung devices. The Tab 10.1, Nexus S 4G, DROID Charge, and Infuse. It's sad, but this judge does seem to favor Apple a lot in this case.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/04/apple...unction-to-halt-sale-of-four-samsung-devices/
I am highly considering ordering a 32GB Black WiFi only one from my Sprint store just because I want one so badly. I really wanted a 3G/4G one from Sprint, but I guess that isn't going to happen.
The Verizon LTE 10.1 won't even be released in time, but if it is...I may consider buying it just for the purposes of having mobile network capabilities.
I've already got mine. They can't take it away no matter what happens.
I have the 32GB Black one. My wife got it for me for Father's Day. I know it's WIFI only but when the Galaxy S II comes out, I'm going to add the wifi hotspot so I can pair these 2 badasses together. Whosdaman - please keep us updated with all the latest on the SGS2 as usual
I really doubt that will happen...
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I really doubt that will happen...
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+1. It's just a bunch of legal crap. They'll settle sooner or later.
Ugh. Hopefully this tweet from AnonymousIRC is a foreshadowing of larger attacks on Apple if they continue to try low, dirty tactics like that.
Seriously, attempting to block a competitors' ability to sell products when you're the market leader anyway? That's just pathetic, someone please tell Apple that just because Microsoft may have bullied them doesn't give them the right to do it to others.
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Ugh. Hopefully this tweet from AnonymousIRC is a foreshadowing of larger attacks on Apple if they continue to try low, dirty tactics like that.
Seriously, attempting to block a competitors' ability to sell products when you're the market leader anyway? That's just pathetic, someone please tell Apple that just because Microsoft may have bullied them doesn't give them the right to do it to others.
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Thank goodness
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I got mine already also (wifi only) so no matter what happens I will still be able to use mine.
None of these devices look anything like Apples. I've also never heard anyone say "it looks like an iPhone"
WoW, Android must have a huge impact on ipad sales - haha.
In Germany Galaxy S2 has a massive sales rate, was even sold out for some time
Touchwizz looks like apple. I wouln't mind if they remove it.
The 10.1 doesn't really belong on that list, while the others have TouchWiz on them, the 10.1 does not and does not otherwise copy any Apple product.
Not really a fan of Apple's scare tactics, they're annoying.
Its not that they copied them...had no one been following this case? Samsung is using patented products in those devices without apples authorization
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Apple really needs to chill out. Those guys have enough to let a little slide. .
It's not just Apple - Oracle want a piece of the pie also - http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology...rd-the-tab/11127?tag=content;drawer-container
Whosdaman glad to see you over in the tab section. Appricated your work on the epic. Hope you pick up a tab soon and get to working some magic on it.
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Ahh, Oracle. The worst thing to happen to Sun Microsystems since... well, ever. Luckily Oracle stepped on a lot of toes and every piece of software they got from Sun that was worth anything got forked, so I don't have to ever see their ugly logo on any software I use.
I hope Google wins, not for Android's sake, but in the vain hope that Dalvik will overtake Java everywhere and kill the last major product Oracle got from Sun. They destroyed everything good about Sun, they don't deserve to profit from their products.
Wow, I'm just raging all over this thread aren't I?
Some reality for you: Apple will never get an injunction. Absent an actual verdict of infringement -- which will take years to achieve in our legal system -- Apple would need to prove irreparable harm in order to obtain a preliminary injunction pending trial. Considering the pace of Ipad sales, I think this will be all but impossible. Moreover, Apple would likely be required to post a bond to protect Samsung in case Samsung eventually prevailed at trial, with that bond being equivalent to all the lost profit that Samsung would lose if Tab sales were halted. Apple doesn't have that kind of cash to invest in games like this.
These suits are really about patent cross-licensing. Apple will eventually extort a bundle of license rights from Samsung in exchange for granting Samsung a bundle of Apple's license rights. This is like patent infringement insurance for Apple, because it'll stave off some future theoretical infringement claims not only from Samsung but from other patent holders. In other words, you bring one lawsuit today to help stave off 20 lawsuits in the future. Its good business practice, and every major technology company in the world does it to some degree.
Samsung should respond with a bad batch of screens
I have the 16 gb whifi but still would not like to see sales top for the sake of development.
Im glad i bought one soon after launch
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Amazing
www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-samsung-galaxy-ruling-idUSBRE85Q02B20120627
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Amazing
www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-samsung-galaxy-ruling-idUSBRE85Q02B20120627
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If this includes the tab 2 then ill be mad. But I thought they partially made the tab 2 so it doesn't infringe. Goshdang every major company should sue them .
Ah good point. But the 10.1 is pretty much off the shelves now except for a few "closeouts" so if that's true that it isn't the Tab 2 then this would be almost meaningless.
I guess makers of flat rectangular picture frames better beware, they are next.
I pity the book stores who are obviously next, with their rectangular shaped objects that display glyphs that are scanned with the human eye and translated into words in the brain. God forbid they put pictures on the cover as that's clearly infringing on the photo gallery app patent!
I never curse, but... F.*.*.K. Apple.
This culture of elimination is getting ridiculous.
Sent from a GNote, hell yeah!
It's because we allow stupid laws to exist that are designed to protect the little guys and only serve the big fish that things like this happen. In the old days, companies had to innovate to compete for business. Now it's all about how much of your competition you can eliminate so that people are forced to buy your ****ty products.
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I hope it's not the tab 2 or the GT-p5113 will become an endangered species! Good luck getting devs to make p5113 ROM's when there's only a few of us out here! If it's possible, I hate Apple even more!
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I hope it's not the tab 2 or the GT-p5113 will become an endangered species! Good luck getting devs to make p5113 ROM's when there's only a few of us out here! If it's possible, I hate Apple even more!
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I believe this was just for the original Tab, which did look a lot like an iPad. I think both Tab2 devices are a ok!
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Apple Injunction
Forget the Apple injunction on quick search box for Samsung Nexus and Galaxy S III. This new app on GooglePlay does most of what was removed because of the injunction: Veveo vtap QuickSearch
It's not just Apple that's the problem here, every big electronics company is suing each other over SH*T, and in Apples case, it's only about halting sales of the competitions products, it's F*CKED!
I find it amazing that Apple and Samsung work closely but at the same time they fight like cat and dog. Sure ,you have to protect your product without exception but this just gets sillier and sillier with each court case.
While Samsung pumps out tens of thousands of high-end LCD panels for Apple, the two companies remain embroiled in longstanding intellectual property litigation, with Apple accusing Samsung of blatantly ripping off the iOS user interface, as well as Apple’s iconic product designs.
Samsung isn’t just “Samsung,” though. It’s a massive, multi-national conglomerate made up of more than 30 independent businesses, covering areas as disparate as life insurance and petrochemical engineering. One such free agent is Samsung Mobile Display. Founded in 2009, this company takes the years of R&D done by Samsung Electronics and Samsung SDI in AMOLED technology, and uses it to tuck nicely into products such as televisions, tablets and mobile phones.
So while Samsung Electronics Company LTD gets its pants sued off, Samsung Mobile Display wheels and deals with Apple at the very same time. And, of course, while all this is happening, both companies compete fiercely to sell mobile phones and tablets as quickly as possible.
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Dont know how anyone could mistake an Apple/iOS product for a Samsung/Android device. Lets not forget that Apple didnt invent the tablet , That was Microsoft that did that Pity they just lost in Germany - Apple Loses Bid to Ban Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1N in Germany
Good for the lulz but bad for the consumer.
It is fair, Microsoft stolen Apple OS in the earlier time also. But, I read somewhere saying that the window and mouse concept doesn't come from either of the companies, it is from Xerox.
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http://mashable.com/2012/08/25/verdict-benefit-samsung-apple/
What do ya'll think? Does this make you think twice about any purchase's you make??
boom boom pow!
samsung must learn the lesson...
"invent uniquely"
That actually makes a lot of sense, 1 billion dollars isn't much considering how many phones Sammy sold/will sell on the back of emulating apple.
Best advertising campaign indeed, people will now see that apple are bending them over and banging them without even having the courtesy of using lube when it comes to price.
I kinda knew that somehow apple would be their own downfall and it will be something like this, there is always a case of being too smart for your own good.
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Oh I'm sure Samsung was just waiting for your advice before they made their next move. Finally
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1 billion is all what apple can get! what else? they have nothing left in their pocket to accuse samsung...
Samsung has already changed their hardware and software design starting from s3.. Apart from the software patents nothing is going to hurt samsung.
Apple dug its own grave
Cdjones187 said:
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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No they should not. Keep in mind that Samsung now earns on both their own phones and iPhones, this is business and business is about squeezing out every last dime.
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Cdjones187 said:
Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Apple didn't settle for anything. Samsung made offers but Apple took it all the way to trial. The jury awarded 1.05 billion didn't they? Im not that familiar with patent law in the US, but it seems like they've been awarded that amount and it's tough **** if they don't like it.
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My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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That's really bad advice. You might as well tell Apple to stop selling iPods. Selling components is one of Samsungs main businesses, they're obviously not going to stop doing that for one of their main customers.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
EdgaBimbam said:
Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Yep.. totally agree with you.
Samsung's main strategy is marketing. Here in India if you enter a mobile store the first thing they show is a Samsung phone in your budget. They do the same for television sets and refrigerators.
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How many iPhones and ipads have sold in the last few Years? To which Samsung supply chips for both, pretty sure the 1+bn dollar would have nearly been paid by apple them selves.
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They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
Apoxx said:
You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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The galaxy S2 and S3 don't look like iPhones, but the original galaxy S looks near identical to the iPhone. Samsung themselves have proved its possible not to copy.
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even a five year old knows what the difference between a galaxy s and iphone , seriously if any company wants to copy a iphone , lol mold it into a exact replica of it , why bother to add two extra capacitive buttons on it
Well i remember going into an O2 shop with my daughter who was 10 at the time, and she picked up the galaxy s and said wow Samsung are making an iphone.......
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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Exactly, I disagree with Samsung getting to number 2 by copying. I think they earned it fair and square.
Apple's retaliation at loosing out on sales to companies which are making better phones than theirs. Seriously Apple, make a more OS unrestricted phone and people may just come back to you.
IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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Apple is loosing appeal. Many collegues of mine asked me info about SGS [ 2 | 3] because they were grown tired of iPhone and iOS... here and there I read, expecially among fashion/rich youngsters, iPhone isn't cool anymore; reasons are questionable but who really cares?
Anyway there will always be iOS users and fanboys and it must be this way. We need competition to have always a better OS.
About the lawsuit... Samsung copied the whole first wave design and it gaines success only for that. The first SGS, at launch, had very bad performance due to the terrible file-system used. So the lawsuit was lecit.
The real earthquake was SGS2 with its unmatched -among Androids- fluidity... its design was vaguely inspired to iPhone, but not the key to success.
Too bad no one of the jury debated the rightfulness of those patents :\
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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Yes. It's all your fault! :laugh: But there is a solution - buy some iPad so they will sue themselves.
Biohazard0289 said:
I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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I get what you're saying. However, if you're gonna wish, you should probably wish for Apple to be annihilated, not decimated. To decimate is to reduce by 10%. I'd be happier with 90%. Apple was a very likeable company when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
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well.
how to say ?
This is a blockage to creativity. And it is getting more ridiculous.
I mean, all of us also can see, where is the part which S3, N7000, and N8000 have copied from apple ?
On its first launch of Galaxy S i9000, yes, apple has the right to say that, since from the design, make-up and appearance, it is quite "similar".
I said "similar", not "same". Apple also claim that the gallery model on i9000 is copying their products, with a pinch method to zoom, etc.
Yes, apple may say like that for i9100.
But what right do they have to sue all samsung products ? Getting frustrated after Steve Jobs pass away ?
Especially on the N8000, I don't see anything similar on the iPad products.
From the looks, it is different alrd. Not to say about the S-Pen, Multiscreen, Pop-up play, floating keyboard, with the 3D surround speaker on the left and right side of the N8000.
I only see that apple is getting more and more ridiculous.
But...
How not to jealous with Samsung ?
Ever since from Samsung S2, Note 1, S3, Note 10.1,.... Samsung always can grab apple market.
With android as the open source, and a lot developer supporting android, how Apple can win market ?
In Singapore itself, the market for samsung has been grown eversince Galaxy S2. And one by one, ppl start to change from iPhone to Samsung.
Now you tell me, how not to jealous, in here, at least before Galaxy S come out, almost everyone here got an iPhone (I think arount 80% of the mobile market here was under Apple).
Once i9000 come out, ppl here still confuse to change or not, since i9000 is Samsung 1st debut to beat iPhone.
But after that, come out i9100, the market just suddenly boost up for Samsung here.
Up to now, only in around 2 years+, at least here, Samsung can grab at least 40 - 50% of iPhone market.
And now, with Galaxy Note 10.1" (with its all special features), don't u think if this device is very cool, it will grab the iPad market as well ?
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This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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+1. Apple has handled this worse than microsofts attempt of monopoly back in the 90s. At least microsoft just sought to dominate the market and didnt attempt to go suing its competition into the ground. Anybody of sound economic mind sees nothing good coming out of these rediculous lawsuits. Samsung is the center off apples imperialistic crosshairs only because Samsung is the only android manufacturer that can compete with Apple. If HTC was where Samsung is then Apple would no doubt go after them. I will vote with my dollar and not buy Apple products. But there will always be isheep out there who will pay for an overpriced product just to have an iproduct.
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
Imagine Apple thinking they have a patent on the rectangular phone with rounded corners. Motorola was making phones lile that 25 years ago. Pathetic.
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mitchellvii said:
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
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In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
Magnesus said:
In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't watching you.
Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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You dont actually exist. You are just a virus i got responding to a Nigerian bank scam email
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toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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And the real joke is on everyone who owns an iPad, iPhone and gets their music/apps via iTunes or the app store. Bruce Willis know... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...-Apple-over-music-rights-after-his-death.html
Welcome to iWorld, new iPad mini and iPhone 5 owners!
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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great article, i think these lines paint a pretty real picture of apple
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go to thermonuclear war on this," Steve Jobs told his biographer, Walter Isaacson (Steve Jobs, page 512).
No wonder Apple and Samsung couldn't reach a settlement. This case is a rough replay of Apple suing Microsoft many years ago when Apple believed it was owner of the graphical user interface. In that case, it was well documented that both Steve Jobs and an Apple design team had visited Xerox PARC to see the first mouse-driven, graphical user interface available, then adopted its elements for the Macintosh. That case didn't get very far.
i LOLd hearing of how that first apple case didnt get very far
No matter what patent apple has for its products, I still believe that "general" technology is not suitable to be patented.
If technology is being patented generally, then, there would be no further invention.
And same thing goes for design.
If a product has been copied exactly the same, without any improvement at all, and you just put your own branding, then yes, I would agree that one is a violation to the copyright / patent. But if a copy has been improved with a lot of enhancement, I don't think it would be considered as a violation also.
I just couldn't believe a giant company like Apple would do such things, and forget that technology doesn't belong to 1 company only.
If Samsung has never started with its first Galaxy S (which according to apple is "copying" its iPhone), there won't be any improvement / invention so called as Phablet (N7000). No further invention like what we see at the N8000 as well, with its pop up play, real multitask with a multiscreen support, and no need to talk about tablet with smart-pen. Has apple done such improvement ? Other than its SIRI, which I believe before apple came out with it, others have known about this SIRI as well. Its so called as "Retina" display also come from where ?
Apple, you have grown up, but yet still act like a child ! Compete with your own innovation, let the consumer choose the technology, and let technology keep on improving !
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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Great article. Loved reading the comments section on it also. I'm really sick of Apple. The flawed patent system will be overhauled and many of apple patents will retracted as they should've never been issued in the first place.
I'm very interested in how the Motorola case against apple goes and this Samsung appeal.
I wonder how apple is feeling about MS jumping into the table game. If the surface does retail for the rumored $199, apple will have a heart attack..lol. apple is a household name BUT they aren't bigger than MICROSOFT. THEY don't have reach like MS does. It might take a collaboration of MS and Android to take down apple.
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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I had to jump in on this conversation with one question. What ever happened to the original develops of the GUI? I think it was Xerox. Why didn't they sue someone (Apple or Microsoft or both) for patent infringement back in the 80's? It might be a different world today if Xerox entered the PC market with its own interface.
They tried to years after the fact. The courts told them no dice.
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mitchellvii said:
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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how very true, anyone read the aticle about how Apple may be levied import bans against the newest iphone due to it's LTE system infringing on HTC's patents
parry, Riposte!