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Reports are coming in that Apple has been granted a preliminary injunction for the entire European Union (excluding Netherlands) that will halt distribution of Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1. This comes on the heels of a postponed launch of the device in Australia due to a lawsuit with Apple.
The decision by the Regional Court of Dusseldorf in Germany to block sales of the device comes after a judge sided with Apple on claims that Galaxy Tab infringed on patents related to the iPad 2. While Samsung can appeal the court’s decision sometime in the next month, the Telegraph’s Shane Richmond is quick to point out it would be heard by the same judge. Apple is also said to have a separate lawsuit filed in the Netherlands as well.
Samsung had this to say in a recent statement about their legal disputes with Apple:
“Samsung believes that there is no legal basis for this assertion. We will continue to serve our customers and distributors and the sale of Samsung products will be continued.”
And Apple has made their stance on the situation clear…
“It’s no coincidence that Samsung’s latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging. This kind of blatant copying is wrong, and we need to protect Apple’s intellectual property when companies steal our ideas.”
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I admit i'm a transformer guy and an iPhone user but this really sucks ... come on apple how different can a tablet really be...
Here is a great article.... http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/preliminary-injunction-granted-by.html
I fell bad for the android fans in Europe, I have to say that the galaxy tab 10 is the best android tablet out there. I have owned and used them all.
Yah, I have a GT 10.1 and and iPhone 4, and there's really not much different about any of the tablets. There all a flat sheet of glass....
Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/
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Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/
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That isn't such a bad thing, since the emulator runs faster than the real thing
Wow this is crazy....i don't know how the galaxy tab 10.1 is similar to ipad2?
Atleast with the phone there is some argument with touchwiz looking similar to iphone with home button. But with the tab 10.1? Seriously Apple cmon let consumers have choice to buy what they want. Eventually the better product will win, not by blocking compitetor product sales.
Maybe Apple is worried about a better product...
No difference at all
Only a different screen size, aspect ratio, OS, camera orientation, speaker design, double the RAM...
My country makes me sad!
Looks a lot like apple products... how many ways can you design a flat device be it a phone or a tab? then they say the user interface looks a lot like apple iOS when it couldnt be more different! in fact its 100 times better and thats what has got apple messing themselves.
not a peep out of apple for yrs until android, samsung and htc have come along and started to kick their ass
They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.
I am really pissed...
http://winfuture.de/news,64823.html
I ordered my GT10.1 yesterday from Germany and it shipped today (at least i hope it did).
Of all Sammy products, the GT10.1 seems the least like an apple product, in specs, hardware and software, especially compared to earlier phones.
Yet Apple is after the GT10.1 probably cause they know they've lost dominance in the cell phone market to android phones, and very much fear the same will happen in the tablet market,especially since GT10.1 is the most credible (if not better at least hardware wise) competition.
Apples is a smart innovative company, but I felt from my iPod touch days that I couldn't live with their suffocating and closed (my-way-or-no-way) approach to using their products.
Now, it seems like apple is taking their domineering ways one notch further and just trying to suffocate any competition.
I hope Apple keeps making good products but I hope they don't succeed in killing alternatives. Just leave the choice to us customers.
Well, this is unique. The EU has been quick to block, ban, stop or otherwise harrass American companies just because they're American companies. Even when there's no legal reason or precidence to do so.
Part of me wishes Apple well just for that reason. Alas, the logical part of me wishes justice be served.
Isn't it ironic that a decade ago that Microsoft was the evil empire and Apple was the underdog. Now Apple has become the evil empire and scarier than Microsoft ever was.
One thing is for sure, if Apple stops me of using a product I like, then Apple is more than a just a bad product ... This is such bad advertisement ...
I say, Samsung use this! Great opportunity.
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They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.
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May be you should troll somewhere else. Also, when you haven't compared 2 side by side, then don't even post anything in regards to Gtab.
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its reasons like this i sold my ipad, and iphone;
bought a HTC Desire HD, and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
will never buy another apple product again.
Apple is suing HTC, too. And at this point, theyre winning. I mean, how different can a tablet be??!!! What, apple wants everyone else to make round products that only have a black 'speak-only' screen????
Wtf apple!!??? God, i HATE apple!
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Time to hit the drawing boards. The gtab is dead. Well this should allow Samsung to come out with something more defined and truly a work of art.
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And THESE are Apple's infringement claims:
* A rectangular product shape with all four corners uniformly rounded;
* The front surface of the product dominated by a screen surface with black borders;
* As to the iPhone and iPod touch products, substantial black borders above and below the screen having roughly equal width and narrower black borders on either side of the screen having roughly equal width;
* As to the iPad product, substantial black borders on all sides being roughly equal in width;
* A metallic surround framing the perimeter of the top surface;
* A display of a grid of colorful square icons with uniformly rounded corners; and
* A bottom row of square icons (the “Springboard”) set off from the other icons and that do not change as the other pages of the user interface are viewed.
* A rectangular box with minimal metallic silver lettering and a large front-view picture of the product prominently on the top surface of the box;
* A two-piece box wherein the bottom piece is completely nested in the top piece; and
* Use of a tray that cradles products to make them immediately visible upon opening the box.
Maybe everybody should just stop making phones, because ANY phone is an infringement of an Apple patent.
I don't want to get involved in a fight with anyone, especially with americans, but just today I was speaking with a woman from USA, also told me that she is patriot..and she mentioned me these: I cannot believe that americans are making technollogy, and others just develop that tech in a way that americans will never understand. So probablly that's why stevie jobs wanted galaxy tab banned, because samsung and android got to a level where apple + ios will never dream to go...
I gotta be honest here, samsung could have put a little more creativity into the design of the sgs2. If the iphone/ipad were my business product I would be a bit upset as well. Its just business, in the end.
Does that mean companies should stop making tv's because they all follow the same design? Or even cars apple need to get a grip.
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I gotta be honest here, samsung could have put a little more creativity into the design of the sgs2. If the iphone/ipad were my business product I would be a bit upset as well. Its just business, in the end.
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This thread is not about the SGS2 it is about the Galaxy Tab. Steve Jobs needs to get a life!!! He is like an evil Dictator of Technology!!!
All car manufacturers owe cadillac millions because they were first with two pedals and a wheel.
Some ideas aren't that original, they're just "the way its done". Should they sell cubed phones/tablets just to be different?
Lets not forget both apple and microsoft both owe the gui to xerox. should we all still be using cli exclusively because someone else did first what everyone would have done anyways if the hardware was available sooner?
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Apple is paying Samsung for all the Galaxy Tabs that could be sold till the court announces the verdict.
It seems like a business move by Apple to me. They probably have enough cash to play with. They'll pay out Samsung but in return they will have the customers who will buy the iPad 3 next year. In this way there won't be any loyal customers or fanboys for the next Galaxy Tab.
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Not to trying to be an ass, but what is is this doing in the SGS2 section?
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Apple becomes desperate and tries to block Samsung away from its path because samsung is starting to dominate smartphone markets slowly.
Apple tries to eliminate its biggest rival. LOL samsung will win eventually anyway
Oooooh... Mr. Jobs is feeling the pressure so he pushes back.
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TV manufacturers including samsung should sue apple for making rectangle products albeit smaller. I'll never buy apple again ever because of this bs
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Interesting that they can get a product banned so easily. But like a recent article on Yahoo! Apple had/has more money saved in the bank than the US Government.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7
bruflot said:
Not to trying to be an ass, but what is is this doing in the SGS2 section?
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I think it deserves to be in this section because tomorrow (Thurs) they go to court to ban galaxy s phones too in europe!!
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The title of the thread is wrong, it should be:
Court appointed Apple's request to temporarily halt the distribution of the Galaxy Tab pending a patent hearing.
People are making a too big of a deal out of this imo. The temporary injunction only lasts for 3 weeks at which time the actual hearings will have started and the court will decide whether to prolong the temporary injunction. It's just business as usual.
TBH Samsung did copy Apple when it comes to exterior design, anybody can clearly see that, but what gets me is that they are also claiming trival patents like scrolling, finger operated touch and swipe to unlock. Those patents or utter nonsense!
Honestly so many people think my phone is an iphone first glance, lets be honest gs1, gs2 and the new tab look like apple products.
Apple were just smart enogh to get the desighn right first.
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Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
1960s Braun Products Hold the Secrets to Apple’s Future
http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future
All this litigation only makes me like Android more and more and sets my mind to avoid Apple products.
I don't get what all the fuss is all about from Apple unless they're really worried about someone finally getting a little too close to their spot.
Samsung makes some really powerful phones & tablets and maybe Apple could spend more time trying to come up with some better wider options at least for their loyal fan base rather than trying to choke the competitors who are.
And to be frank, personally, the only thing I hate about the Samsung phones is the lame default GUI that comes on the phone & end up stripping it all out & using a launcher anyway.
Sure the freedom could lead to inconsistent design, unstable app combos & a host of other 'too much freedom' complaints.... But then if you have a reasonable sense of aesthetics & know what you are doing, you could also go the other opposite end & really build a really handsome, ridiculously powerful phone that is customised purely to YOUR choice.
Quite honestly, Samsung doesn't even need to worry about UI - it's the power, price & flexibility that Android with any high powered device has to offer that is the real hook pulling people in.
That said, at the end of the day it's still a huge hats off to Apple for defining & setting the bar on the design scale.
Enough of my rant & please definitely not looking to take sides or start any unnecessary arguments. If anything offends you, then apologies in advance.
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Only forum goers make it their crusade to denounce Apple or any other company. This is just business as usual. Apple just dropped LG for ipad 2 displays to have Samsung to take a bigger production size, think Apple or Samsung cried at all? Only forum goers...
There should be more control over copyright and copying of products global wide, It's obvious samsung are copying designs from apple, but hypocritically apple are blatantly copying the androids ui with there new up and coming ios5 swipe from the top to reveal notifications.
Considering samsung supply a good chunk of the parts made to build the iPhone 4 they could easily put a halt to there supplies.
Problem is even though it really won't effect such huge companies but simply dents there progress for a few weeks, it changes people's perception, we are hearing apple are now the largest most powerful company on the planet, trying to slap court cases on other companies is only going to make them unpopular, well at least until the next episode of east Enders is on.
Basically it's all rather pointless, but then if they manage to ban imports if the sgs2 into Europe, maybe I should swap my iPhone for an sgs2 now as it will be sort after and worth more, sell it and buy a jigsaw puzzle and a notepad
Whether you guys hate Apple for what they do or not, you gotta give em credit. Their user satisfaction is much greater than Android... and anyways I prefer the iPad to any other tablet, and I prefer the Galaxy S II to any other smartphone. The iPad is a solid tablet - it has everything a user would want- ease of access, apps, and a thin profile. The Galaxy Tab is also beautiful and light, but Honeycomb is new and still needs work, and it needs more apps. Overall I love my Android phone and my Apple tablet... works perfect for me .
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Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
A monopoly for apple in US?
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yor1001 said:
Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
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I would think it means almost nothing for android. As far as for Samsung it probably just means more money spent on appeals in court.
JMHO
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Take comfort in the fact that google wont let those features go without a fight
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bbeelzebub said:
I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Current devices will continue to have that functionality. They won't remove it from your product
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Hopefully Samsung wins on Appeal...
Apple suing to stifle competition is why I looked at Android.
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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krips2003 said:
I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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As ridiculous as that seems, I'd think it a good laugh if I saw a dude rock up in an apple store demanding help since the "stolen copied Apple-tech" has a problem.
I'm just glad most of these ridiculous patent wars are in the US only and the rest of us can still enjoy imports without too much hassle.
As far as the patents go, Apple would probably patent the fact that their devices use a battery if they could, its stifling competition to the detriment of all consumers. Competition is healthy and stimulates innovation
Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Every phone manufacturer does an extensive study on their competitors' products.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Indeed! At to put perspective further, Apple even copied (Xerox) to get where they are. The game is not "who copied who", but rather who gets the patent first.
Apple is playing a dangerous game of "patenting" and sueing everyone. Making the competition unable to input basic idea in their products, I honeslty think it's a matter of time before Apple Gets sued by everyone they've copied over the years, and they copied a lot of people!
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Copying isn't the real issue, it's the patent office. For example one of the design patents Apple was granted was for a rectangle with rounded corners. I think that anyone that's used a tray in a cafeteria knows that this is a silly patent. Yet Samsung had to defend this in court.
The patent office has publicly stated that they are under budget and overwhelmed with patent applications and that they do little research on prior art these days. They have stated that the will grant patents and let the courts sort it out. This is their way of sending a political message to Washington for more money. What results are judgements like we saw last Friday.
I believe that Samsung took a calculated risk when they copied Apple's alleged patents. They were a distant second place in the phone market behind Apple and saw what was happening to RIM and Nokia. Copying Apple not only thrust Samsung into first place, by a wide margin, it netted them $6 billion. That's a good leverage on the $1B judgement.
In any event, Samsung is now the number one phone maker an the threat of these kinds of lawsuits in the future are minimal since the Samsung products are now superior and we find Apple copying Android.
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Yes, the awards by the jury presumed EVERY Samsung phone purchased was a lost sale for Apple. My understanding is that this decision alone is grounds for appeal.
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This was extracted from TED talks.
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But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
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I've been saying this along, does Apple think its customer base is not smart enough to differentiate between Apple and Samsung products? "Oh NOOOOs I just bought a Samsung when I thought I was getting the iPhone!" The entire design patent is a joke, next lawsuit is against Applebees for using similar name and rectangle tables with rounded edges!
I'm not a fanboi, I just hate stupidity!
http://mashable.com/2012/08/25/verdict-benefit-samsung-apple/
What do ya'll think? Does this make you think twice about any purchase's you make??
boom boom pow!
samsung must learn the lesson...
"invent uniquely"
That actually makes a lot of sense, 1 billion dollars isn't much considering how many phones Sammy sold/will sell on the back of emulating apple.
Best advertising campaign indeed, people will now see that apple are bending them over and banging them without even having the courtesy of using lube when it comes to price.
I kinda knew that somehow apple would be their own downfall and it will be something like this, there is always a case of being too smart for your own good.
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
Cdjones187 said:
Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Oh I'm sure Samsung was just waiting for your advice before they made their next move. Finally
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1 billion is all what apple can get! what else? they have nothing left in their pocket to accuse samsung...
Samsung has already changed their hardware and software design starting from s3.. Apart from the software patents nothing is going to hurt samsung.
Apple dug its own grave
Cdjones187 said:
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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No they should not. Keep in mind that Samsung now earns on both their own phones and iPhones, this is business and business is about squeezing out every last dime.
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Cdjones187 said:
Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Apple didn't settle for anything. Samsung made offers but Apple took it all the way to trial. The jury awarded 1.05 billion didn't they? Im not that familiar with patent law in the US, but it seems like they've been awarded that amount and it's tough **** if they don't like it.
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Cdjones187 said:
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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That's really bad advice. You might as well tell Apple to stop selling iPods. Selling components is one of Samsungs main businesses, they're obviously not going to stop doing that for one of their main customers.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
EdgaBimbam said:
Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Yep.. totally agree with you.
Samsung's main strategy is marketing. Here in India if you enter a mobile store the first thing they show is a Samsung phone in your budget. They do the same for television sets and refrigerators.
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How many iPhones and ipads have sold in the last few Years? To which Samsung supply chips for both, pretty sure the 1+bn dollar would have nearly been paid by apple them selves.
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They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
Apoxx said:
You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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The galaxy S2 and S3 don't look like iPhones, but the original galaxy S looks near identical to the iPhone. Samsung themselves have proved its possible not to copy.
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even a five year old knows what the difference between a galaxy s and iphone , seriously if any company wants to copy a iphone , lol mold it into a exact replica of it , why bother to add two extra capacitive buttons on it
Well i remember going into an O2 shop with my daughter who was 10 at the time, and she picked up the galaxy s and said wow Samsung are making an iphone.......
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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Exactly, I disagree with Samsung getting to number 2 by copying. I think they earned it fair and square.
Apple's retaliation at loosing out on sales to companies which are making better phones than theirs. Seriously Apple, make a more OS unrestricted phone and people may just come back to you.
IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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Apple is loosing appeal. Many collegues of mine asked me info about SGS [ 2 | 3] because they were grown tired of iPhone and iOS... here and there I read, expecially among fashion/rich youngsters, iPhone isn't cool anymore; reasons are questionable but who really cares?
Anyway there will always be iOS users and fanboys and it must be this way. We need competition to have always a better OS.
About the lawsuit... Samsung copied the whole first wave design and it gaines success only for that. The first SGS, at launch, had very bad performance due to the terrible file-system used. So the lawsuit was lecit.
The real earthquake was SGS2 with its unmatched -among Androids- fluidity... its design was vaguely inspired to iPhone, but not the key to success.
Too bad no one of the jury debated the rightfulness of those patents :\
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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Yes. It's all your fault! :laugh: But there is a solution - buy some iPad so they will sue themselves.
Biohazard0289 said:
I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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I get what you're saying. However, if you're gonna wish, you should probably wish for Apple to be annihilated, not decimated. To decimate is to reduce by 10%. I'd be happier with 90%. Apple was a very likeable company when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
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well.
how to say ?
This is a blockage to creativity. And it is getting more ridiculous.
I mean, all of us also can see, where is the part which S3, N7000, and N8000 have copied from apple ?
On its first launch of Galaxy S i9000, yes, apple has the right to say that, since from the design, make-up and appearance, it is quite "similar".
I said "similar", not "same". Apple also claim that the gallery model on i9000 is copying their products, with a pinch method to zoom, etc.
Yes, apple may say like that for i9100.
But what right do they have to sue all samsung products ? Getting frustrated after Steve Jobs pass away ?
Especially on the N8000, I don't see anything similar on the iPad products.
From the looks, it is different alrd. Not to say about the S-Pen, Multiscreen, Pop-up play, floating keyboard, with the 3D surround speaker on the left and right side of the N8000.
I only see that apple is getting more and more ridiculous.
But...
How not to jealous with Samsung ?
Ever since from Samsung S2, Note 1, S3, Note 10.1,.... Samsung always can grab apple market.
With android as the open source, and a lot developer supporting android, how Apple can win market ?
In Singapore itself, the market for samsung has been grown eversince Galaxy S2. And one by one, ppl start to change from iPhone to Samsung.
Now you tell me, how not to jealous, in here, at least before Galaxy S come out, almost everyone here got an iPhone (I think arount 80% of the mobile market here was under Apple).
Once i9000 come out, ppl here still confuse to change or not, since i9000 is Samsung 1st debut to beat iPhone.
But after that, come out i9100, the market just suddenly boost up for Samsung here.
Up to now, only in around 2 years+, at least here, Samsung can grab at least 40 - 50% of iPhone market.
And now, with Galaxy Note 10.1" (with its all special features), don't u think if this device is very cool, it will grab the iPad market as well ?
:victory: **peace** :victory:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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+1. Apple has handled this worse than microsofts attempt of monopoly back in the 90s. At least microsoft just sought to dominate the market and didnt attempt to go suing its competition into the ground. Anybody of sound economic mind sees nothing good coming out of these rediculous lawsuits. Samsung is the center off apples imperialistic crosshairs only because Samsung is the only android manufacturer that can compete with Apple. If HTC was where Samsung is then Apple would no doubt go after them. I will vote with my dollar and not buy Apple products. But there will always be isheep out there who will pay for an overpriced product just to have an iproduct.
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
Imagine Apple thinking they have a patent on the rectangular phone with rounded corners. Motorola was making phones lile that 25 years ago. Pathetic.
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mitchellvii said:
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
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In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
Magnesus said:
In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't watching you.
Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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You dont actually exist. You are just a virus i got responding to a Nigerian bank scam email
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toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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And the real joke is on everyone who owns an iPad, iPhone and gets their music/apps via iTunes or the app store. Bruce Willis know... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...-Apple-over-music-rights-after-his-death.html
Welcome to iWorld, new iPad mini and iPhone 5 owners!
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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great article, i think these lines paint a pretty real picture of apple
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go to thermonuclear war on this," Steve Jobs told his biographer, Walter Isaacson (Steve Jobs, page 512).
No wonder Apple and Samsung couldn't reach a settlement. This case is a rough replay of Apple suing Microsoft many years ago when Apple believed it was owner of the graphical user interface. In that case, it was well documented that both Steve Jobs and an Apple design team had visited Xerox PARC to see the first mouse-driven, graphical user interface available, then adopted its elements for the Macintosh. That case didn't get very far.
i LOLd hearing of how that first apple case didnt get very far
No matter what patent apple has for its products, I still believe that "general" technology is not suitable to be patented.
If technology is being patented generally, then, there would be no further invention.
And same thing goes for design.
If a product has been copied exactly the same, without any improvement at all, and you just put your own branding, then yes, I would agree that one is a violation to the copyright / patent. But if a copy has been improved with a lot of enhancement, I don't think it would be considered as a violation also.
I just couldn't believe a giant company like Apple would do such things, and forget that technology doesn't belong to 1 company only.
If Samsung has never started with its first Galaxy S (which according to apple is "copying" its iPhone), there won't be any improvement / invention so called as Phablet (N7000). No further invention like what we see at the N8000 as well, with its pop up play, real multitask with a multiscreen support, and no need to talk about tablet with smart-pen. Has apple done such improvement ? Other than its SIRI, which I believe before apple came out with it, others have known about this SIRI as well. Its so called as "Retina" display also come from where ?
Apple, you have grown up, but yet still act like a child ! Compete with your own innovation, let the consumer choose the technology, and let technology keep on improving !
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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Great article. Loved reading the comments section on it also. I'm really sick of Apple. The flawed patent system will be overhauled and many of apple patents will retracted as they should've never been issued in the first place.
I'm very interested in how the Motorola case against apple goes and this Samsung appeal.
I wonder how apple is feeling about MS jumping into the table game. If the surface does retail for the rumored $199, apple will have a heart attack..lol. apple is a household name BUT they aren't bigger than MICROSOFT. THEY don't have reach like MS does. It might take a collaboration of MS and Android to take down apple.
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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I had to jump in on this conversation with one question. What ever happened to the original develops of the GUI? I think it was Xerox. Why didn't they sue someone (Apple or Microsoft or both) for patent infringement back in the 80's? It might be a different world today if Xerox entered the PC market with its own interface.
They tried to years after the fact. The courts told them no dice.
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mitchellvii said:
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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how very true, anyone read the aticle about how Apple may be levied import bans against the newest iphone due to it's LTE system infringing on HTC's patents
parry, Riposte!