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HTC HD2 vs HD2 T-Mobile

I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.

mbernstein said:
I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.
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may be the t mobile version will not work in your region where you are from

Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.

it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.

mbernstein said:
Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.
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it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom

hoss_n2 said:
it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom
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This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?

samsamuel said:
it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.
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I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )

mbernstein said:
This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?
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search at ebay i heared it is on it

mbernstein said:
I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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the different radios use different hardware, flashing a new rom won't alter the frequencies it will or won't work with.

mbernstein said:
I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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frequency is in hardware cannot be solved by flashing roms

Oh, you were talking about the Radio hardware itself. Yeah, I knew I would have to compromise my 3G with both the US and Europe version, although other bands would be fine. But this Australian option changes the picture. I'll take a look thanks to both.

hoss_n2 said:
search at ebay i heared it is on it
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Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks

mbernstein said:
Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks
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flashing, no problem, sim unlocking has been an issue for some people (there currently isn't a do it yourself unlocker, only web sites selling unlock codes, which some people say doesn't always work.)
am sure that will only be a temporary problem though...

Just to say thanks to you two who have been helping me. I've just placed an order for HD2 Telstra as suggested by hoss_n2. Grateful.

Radios: Big confusion here!

I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?

wingm4n said:
I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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its the same phone... so same hardware.

that would explain the poor audio quality i get with radios 2.07 or above. However only a few people seem to have this problem. Others report good quality, reception and battery life.

pencilcase said:
its the same phone... so same hardware.
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It would be nice to throw in a link or two of sources that state that the T8585 and T9193 have exactly the same hardware, otherwise it's just your opinion.
T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz, how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?

Also if some mod could move this to the general forum, i just realized i posted it in the ROM forum.

wingm4n said:
I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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very good question. would like to know that too.

wingm4n said:
T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz
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It's the other way around...the T8585 runs at 900/2100Mhz and the T9193 runs at 850/2100Mhz otherwise I believe they are identical (no proof, just what i've read).

I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!

EddyOS said:
I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!
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same here! battery life is definately much improved with this radio.

wingm4n said:
how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?
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The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.

romac said:
The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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some have reported higher temp from the back of their devices.

look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so

wingm4n said:
look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so
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I flashed to 2.08 on a UK Leo knowing if it didnt work i could always go back to previous radio. The decision was not hardware related

romac said:
The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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not true in all cases!

The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing

Starfury said:
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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english please?

Starfury said:
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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what makes you say that, pls explain.

gianton said:
what makes you say that, pls explain.
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Radio antenna's have to be "tuned" to the required frequency bands in order to optimise performance. This is usually done by changing the physical length of the antenna and/or using different passband filters.

Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)

samsamuel said:
Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)
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sorry for dumb question but are you saying that TMOUS roms will work just fine on T8585?

Tmous HD2 difference?

Hello all...
First let me apologize for asking this, but the wiki has been down for some time now...
What is the difference between the TMous HD2 and the non-branded/international version? (Not asking about frequencies of radio.)
What makes the device different enough to require its own separate forum? I did notice different cooked rom versions for the two...
If its a software difference, would simply running Task29 on a TMous version solve these issues?
I am looking to get an HD2 to replace my touch pro 2 and just want to be well informed on what I am getting into.

pdiggitydogg said:
Hello all...
First let me apologize for asking this, but the wiki has been down for some time now...
What is the difference between the TMous HD2 and the non-branded/international version? (Not asking about frequencies of radio.)
What makes the device different enough to require its own separate forum? I did notice different cooked rom versions for the two...
If its a software difference, would simply running Task29 on a TMous version solve these issues?
I am looking to get an HD2 to replace my touch pro 2 and just want to be well informed on what I am getting into.
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for one, tmous hd2's use a different radio version (.50) than the international (0.51) and as such, ROMs that are based off the tmous version (for the ability to have the extra memory) have to use the .50 radio or you can brick the phone.

Thanks
Also I just found:
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
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I should have looked harder - thread can be closed.

pdiggitydogg said:
Thanks
Also I just found:
I should have looked harder - thread can be closed.
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Thread closed as per OP's request.

[Q] difference between TMOUS antenna and European antenna

hello everybody,
i want to know what are the difference between the TMOUS antenna and European antenna..
i have the tmous hd2 using in italy, but the signal is not very good, i don t know why...the band is GSM! can I change the tmous antenna with a european one or i will brick my phone??
thanks a lot from italy

andrearoma90 said:
hello everybody,
i want to know what are the difference between the TMOUS antenna and European antenna..
i have the tmous hd2 using in italy, but the signal is not very good, i don t know why...the band is GSM! can I change the tmous antenna with a european one or i will brick my phone??
thanks a lot from italy
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You're thinking of the radios (software), not the antenna (hardware).
You do NOT want to use a radio for the euro HD2 on the T-Mobile HD2, that is the surest way to brick it. However, you CAN try different radios for the T-Mobile version, to see if any of them help improve your reception there.

sirphunkee said:
You're thinking of the radios (software), not the antenna (hardware).
You do NOT want to use a radio for the euro HD2 on the T-Mobile HD2, that is the surest way to brick it. However, you CAN try different radios for the T-Mobile version, to see if any of them help improve your reception there.
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i tried to flash a new radios but the reception doesn' t improve.. i think that the tmous antenna is different than the european one...what do you think about this?? thanks a lot

andrearoma90 said:
i tried to flash a new radios but the reception doesn' t improve.. i think that the tmous antenna is different than the european one...what do you think about this?? thanks a lot
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I don't really know for sure....but it's an integral part of the chassis, so it's not like you could just replace it anyway, not without a lot of effort.

sirphunkee said:
I don't really know for sure....but it's an integral part of the chassis, so it's not like you could just replace it anyway, not without a lot of effort.
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i' m thinking i must change anything in the registry, for example in "hklm\comm\tcpip" what do you think about this??

andrearoma90 said:
i' m thinking i must change anything in the registry, for example in "hklm\comm\tcpip" what do you think about this??
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I think you need to not mess around in the Registry, that's what.
Just flash different radios, they aren't hard to flash, and try them out for a little, one is bound to help you get better reception!

gaarry said:
Just flash different radios,
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...but DO NOT flash any radio with 51 in the version number. your phone will be unrepairable.

As the other's have said, you can try different TMOUS SUPPORTED radios, but unfortunately that's all you really have available to try... the registry wouldn't have anything to do with reception... it only deals with the PDA function of the phone, not the phone function it's self.

[Q] Newbie Just Got A HD2

I have just got a Used Tmobile Unlocked HD2 today it is running Android but don't know if its from SD Card or from the internal memory.
But I want dual boot WM7.5 (Mango) with the Android.
No Idea how to do and which HSPL, Radio & Rom Should I choose for both Android & WM 7.5 ( Mango)
Just need a suggestion and if there is any link, so that I can get all the info as newbie, it will be really helpful for me....
Thank....s in advance
P.S I have not found any thread for my ans. & that's the reason I have create a new thread, If I have done any mistake sorry for that.

which HSPL, & Radio
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When you say t mobile, do you mean t mo USA? Only the USA version (the "tmous") is different.
Always and only 2.08.hspl for android and wp7.
Radio, there are two families of radios, 2.xx.51.x and 2.xx.50.x,, (shortened to ..50.. and ..51.. ) take special note of the 50 and 51. For magldr, android, wp7 you MUST have a ..50.. radio, and the 2.xx.50 xx must be higher than 06.
To keep it simple, if you DO have a tmous, the radio will already work. (..50.. radios are tmous radios)
If you have a regular hd2 (all white hard key lights) then go flash 2.15.50 radio.
If you do have a tmous NEVER EVER flash a ..51.. radio, or a non tmous stock winmo rom, or ..50.. radios lower than 2.06.50, because they will always brick tmous phones.

Yes it is Tmob USA version
Its different??

Thank you for your reply Sir
Can you please suggest me a hspl & radio for my tmous, I have found HSPL4 from your signature & the radio from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
that link (1st radio of that link) i.e Leo_RADIO_2.15.50.14**: MultiUpload
Can I use those or it will brick??
Thank you again

use hspl4 to set 2.08.hspl (android / wp7 will ONLY work with 2.08.hspl) and yes that radio is fine.

samsamuel said:
use hspl4 to set 2.08.hspl (android / wp7 will ONLY work with 2.08.hspl) and yes that radio is fine.
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Thank you Very Much

Returned the phone today & now waiting for money back from seller, there was an issue related network signal. I have tried 2 sim card but no signal was there. Don't know what was the problem actually.

SOHOM said:
Returned the phone today & now waiting for money back from seller, there was an issue related network signal. I have tried 2 sim card but no signal was there. Don't know what was the problem actually.
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either the phone was locked to any service provider or it has signal hardware issues !!
anyways !! you're getting ur money back !! !!
check and buy a device this time !!
good luck....

SOHOM said:
Returned the phone today & now waiting for money back from seller, there was an issue related network signal. I have tried 2 sim card but no signal was there. Don't know what was the problem actually.
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Maybe it needs to network unlocked. Did you have an unlock code?
or it could be hardware related:
"Probable Hardware Fix For HD2 Poor Signal (Confirmed):"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1190180

I got my money back )))
and another Tmous is coming day after tomorrow..... but now its new ( and unlocked) ))))))))))))))))))
I can't say how happy I am.

oucha said:
Maybe it needs to network unlocked. Did you have an unlock code?
or it could be hardware related:
"Probable Hardware Fix For HD2 Poor Signal (Confirmed):"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1190180
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It was unlocked.
Seem to me had hardware problems.

aaki_rocker said:
either the phone was locked to any service provider or it has signal hardware issues !!
anyways !! you're getting ur money back !! !!
check and buy a device this time !!
good luck....
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Got my money back 100%. I am happy now
I think phone has hardware problem, because I was getting network signal but 1bar and some time it goes off, where as my N8 is getting full signals in my room also.
Whatever be.....
I ma getting new unlocked Tmous day after tomorrow

Where did you buy it and how much it cost (new one) ?

fulltank said:
Where did you buy it and how much it cost (new one) ?
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Hi,
I am from India and I have friend in US he is sending me this phone I really don't know from where he got new , you can get new from ebay also its cheaper thn mine, but I can't trust ebayer any more that's the reason I bought from local US market by my friend.
Good Luck

SOHOM said:
Got my money back 100%. I am happy now
I think phone has hardware problem, because I was getting network signal but 1bar and some time it goes off, where as my N8 is getting full signals in my room also.
Whatever be.....
I ma getting new unlocked Tmous day after tomorrow
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not trying to disappoint you, but hd2 got lower signal then other phones..
in my house i get at least 2 bar less then iphone unlocked for t-mobile and htc aria unlocked for t-mobile...
i tryed wm 6.5 several....mango 7.5.....androids from sd from nand....sense not sense....clk and mgdlr...doesn't matter still low compare to other phones...still i love it its like old car you want to use on the weekend....

htchd2fix said:
not trying to disappoint you, but hd2 got lower signal then other phones..
in my house i get at least 2 bar less then iphone unlocked for t-mobile and htc aria unlocked for t-mobile...
i tryed wm 6.5 several....mango 7.5.....androids from sd from nand....sense not sense....clk and mgdlr...doesn't matter still low compare to other phones...still i love it its like old car you want to use on the weekend....
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Thanks...
But let me tell you that now my HD2 is working like charm, no issues at all...
and I am really happy to be a HD2 Owner .

I have a another question here...
I flasher that 6.5 os at the day 1.
Using Mango Pdaimatejam ROM 8107 v7.2
and ICS from SD
But somehow I found there is two types of radio...
1. Hardware Radio.
2. Software radio.
As I came to know Radio version ....51.... will brick the Tmous, and that's why we have to flash with ....50.... radios. And I think this is the Hardware Radio Part... If I am wrong please let me know.
But...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21988711&postcount=1876
Here Dxdy has given different types of Hardware as well as Software radio link along with latest rom.
Now please tell me If I use
Hardware Radio= Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14.
And Software Radio radio =5.51
Will this combination brick my TMOUS HD2??
Thanks in advance