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I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.
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I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.
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may be the t mobile version will not work in your region where you are from
Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.
it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.
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Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.
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it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom
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it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom
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This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?
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it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.
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I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?
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search at ebay i heared it is on it
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I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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the different radios use different hardware, flashing a new rom won't alter the frequencies it will or won't work with.
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I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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frequency is in hardware cannot be solved by flashing roms
Oh, you were talking about the Radio hardware itself. Yeah, I knew I would have to compromise my 3G with both the US and Europe version, although other bands would be fine. But this Australian option changes the picture. I'll take a look thanks to both.
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Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks
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Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks
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flashing, no problem, sim unlocking has been an issue for some people (there currently isn't a do it yourself unlocker, only web sites selling unlock codes, which some people say doesn't always work.)
am sure that will only be a temporary problem though...
Just to say thanks to you two who have been helping me. I've just placed an order for HD2 Telstra as suggested by hoss_n2. Grateful.
I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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its the same phone... so same hardware.
that would explain the poor audio quality i get with radios 2.07 or above. However only a few people seem to have this problem. Others report good quality, reception and battery life.
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its the same phone... so same hardware.
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It would be nice to throw in a link or two of sources that state that the T8585 and T9193 have exactly the same hardware, otherwise it's just your opinion.
T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz, how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?
Also if some mod could move this to the general forum, i just realized i posted it in the ROM forum.
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I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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very good question. would like to know that too.
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T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz
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It's the other way around...the T8585 runs at 900/2100Mhz and the T9193 runs at 850/2100Mhz otherwise I believe they are identical (no proof, just what i've read).
I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!
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I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!
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same here! battery life is definately much improved with this radio.
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how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?
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The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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some have reported higher temp from the back of their devices.
look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so
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look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so
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I flashed to 2.08 on a UK Leo knowing if it didnt work i could always go back to previous radio. The decision was not hardware related
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The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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not true in all cases!
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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english please?
Starfury said:
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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what makes you say that, pls explain.
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what makes you say that, pls explain.
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Radio antenna's have to be "tuned" to the required frequency bands in order to optimise performance. This is usually done by changing the physical length of the antenna and/or using different passband filters.
Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)
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Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)
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sorry for dumb question but are you saying that TMOUS roms will work just fine on T8585?
I've been reading about upgrading my radio version (currently 2.06.51.07), does it really make that much of a difference?
I live in the UK, can anyone recommend a version?
Do I have to use a .51 version? what are the differences if I use a .50?
Thanks.
Send me a plane ticket, come pick me up at your nearest airport, put me up and feed me for a week or two and don't forget to buy me a SIM card for your mobile service provider and I'll happily try out a few radios and tell you what I think of their battery consumption with your provider in your area...
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I've been reading about upgrading my radio version (currently 2.06.51.07), does it really make that much of a difference?
I live in the UK, can anyone recommend a version?
Do I have to use a .51 version? what are the differences if I use a .50?
Thanks.
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If you read the threads you'll hear only go for a radio with 50 not 51, all rom makers state this.
I've been using a radio 2.12.50 for a couple of weeks and just upgraded my rom and its perfect-clarity is crystal clear and pages load very quick in comparison to original radio
IIRC, flashing the radio depends both on the device and the base rom.
Radios for stock devices
T-MO USA - .50
Other HD2 variants - .51
Again, this is not cast in concrete... I think the radios (.50 & .51) would vary even for stock devices if the base rom has been upgraded.
Bottomline, if you are sticking to a stock rom, check up on what your operator has to offer and don't cheat. That's my best advice. Lot of chaps here have turned their Leo's into bricks because of experimenting with the wrong radio. As of writing this, there is still no fix for it.
If you are switching to a custom rom, then all this becomes moot because the rom chefs always mention which radio is best for their rom.
Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
using radio 2.12.50.02_2 and living in the uk also.
this is by far the most energy efficient radio i used in the uk.
i'm not a heavy user and able to use the phone for 3+ days. though it is mentioned that the battery drain is higher than with 2.10 or 2.11 radio's when calling or playing with the phone.
call quality is good and data also good. it is definitely better to upgrade the radio from the stock radio you are using.
hope this helps you.
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Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
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well, if you watch Nadal when he plays at the Roland Garos, you know how it is. He wins, though.
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Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
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Calm down... I may have done it with a sarcastic tone, but I was trying to make a point : only someone in your area who's using the same network as you can really tell you whcih radio would suit you best, so you've just got to try a few for yourself and make up your own mind...
Secondly, the Q&A forum is for questions, not this one...
And last but not least, go and look up slander for me and then tell me what was slanderous about my post .
What NeoGreendawg has just said is exactly true, the Radio is personal preference and depends where you live, no advice can be given on which Radio to use, which it does state on the Radio thread, If you not experiencing any trouble there is no need to change.
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What NeoGreendawg has just said is exactly true, the Radio is personal preference and depends where you live, no advice can be given on which Radio to use, which it does state on the Radio thread, If you not experiencing any trouble there is no need to change.
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Yup yup, I have flashed from radio to radio and only really seen little to no difference. I am on 2.11.50.20 and there is really no different to any of the other 5 or so I have tried.
Radio not working at all
On T-mobile*, radio version 2.5 1919.4027, using supplied headphones as antenna.
Thing simply doesn't work. I get the spinning colours for about ten seconds, then it closes. Am I missing something?
*EDIT: Sorry should have said T-mobile in UK.
Success! Flashed my 1st ROM and 1st Radio. I know that to the guru's here that's no big deal but it took a lot of nerve to risk my $500 investment to the mercy of my newbieness and potential to brick it.
Now I have a few more in-depth questions for the very helpful staff around here.
I flashed Radio Leo RADIO 2.07.50.27_2 on a suggestion I saw in a thread here that stated it was the best to use on AT&T in the US. I had the stock Radio at first. I am running Artemis v331_0409_WWE which seems very well behaved and has just about all I need less the typical bloatware.
My question(s)...
What is the difference in features/performance between the stock Telstra Radio, the generic OEM radio from HTC, and the radio I have flashed? Should I be seeing any sort of improvements?
I ask this because I see all the radios published for downloading but not much on specifics as to features or benefits.
I am also interested in forcing my HD2 to stay (forced) on 3G and stop dancing back and forth between 3G and EDGE. Is that possible?
I have good signals for both 3G and EDGE but sometimes the EDGE is stronger and it drops down to it and screwing up my connection speed to a crawl.
I know that in the TMO ROM on a TMO HD2 it had the ability to select the bands (at least that's what I recall). Do any of the Radio Gods around here know how to do this or any Cooks know if this is even possible?
Any answers on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Answered my own question
After some creative searching I found an answer to the "forcing 3G" question.
Why HTC buried the band settings in a phone menu beats me. But, I found the answer. I was hoping it would have been in a more logical place like wireless connections, but hey... what do I know.
I'd still appreciate some specifics on my radio questions as I'm not looking forward to flashing every conceivable radio to see which one works if I can at least narrow it down by getting some recommendations for the best one to use on AT&T.
there are no differences between those three radios except for version.when you are trying radios you need to run them au least a day if not two to get any idea for comparison.
Wait, you're getting 3G on ATT with the TMOUS? How are you forcing it to 3G? I thought we were stuck using Edge!
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Wait, you're getting 3G on ATT with the TMOUS? How are you forcing it to 3G? I thought we were stuck using Edge!
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I did not say anything about 3G on TMO, the thread is regarding the T9193 (Telstra), not TMO branded.
Yes, I am getting 3G on AT&T, but its with a T9193. TMO's version has different hardware with a different Radio Chip frequency. Flashing does not change that since it is hard coded in the Radio chip.
Sorry.
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there are no differences between those three radios except for version.when you are trying radios you need to run them au least a day if not two to get any idea for comparison.
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If there are no differences then why are there different versions? Doesn't make sense to me. I'm not arguing your point but I am curious as to why a new version Radio is released if there are no differences. That would be like Microsoft releasing Windows 7 version xxxx12345.0 and then releasing version xxxx12345.678.1 and doing so for no apparent reason.
From what I've read, there must be a difference if the performance is different so it would indicate to me that there must be some tweaks on some parameters. I'm trying to find out what those parameters are and what they affect.
Oh well! That'll teach me to read more closely!
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I am planning on purchasing an unlocked Telstra model for use on AT&T. I am purchasing this model due to the 3g frequency needed for AT&T being on this model. I am just curious if the differences for this model are the same as the differences for the Europe version (Like some of the ram missing). Does it have an unlocked bootloader and can you flash all of the same roms that you could for the other versions. Is the compatability the same?
To make my question easier can a very nice person help a noob out and list all the differences between tmobile and telstra hd2 models?
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I am planning on purchasing an unlocked Telstra model for use on AT&T. I am purchasing this model due to the 3g frequency needed for AT&T being on this model. I am just curious if the differences for this model are the same as the differences for the Europe version
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identical
(Like some of the ram missing).
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not missing, just hidden till you unlock it
Does it have an unlocked bootloader
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yes
and can you flash all of the same roms that you could for the other versions.
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Is the compatability the same?
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yes
To make my question easier can a very nice person help a noob out and list all the differences between tmobile and telstra hd2 models?
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difference 1
tmous has 576 meg ram when stock, telstra hs 448 (unlockable to 576 with correct rom/spl/radio/(if using android you can ignore this difference, all phones, tmous, regular and telstra, show around 420meg ram when running under android.
difference 2
tmous has 1gb internal rom, regular and telstra have 512meg
all othert differences are nothing, (tmous says 't mobile ' under earpiece and has coloured hardkeys)
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identicalnot missing, just hidden till you unlock ityesyesyes
difference 1
tmous has 576 meg ram when stock, telstra hs 448 (unlockable to 576 with correct rom/spl/radio/(if using android you can ignore this difference, all phones, tmous, regular and telstra, show around 420meg ram when running under android.
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tmous has 1gb internal rom, regular and telstra have 512meg
all othert differences are nothing, (tmous says 't mobile ' under earpiece and has coloured hardkeys)
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Thanks, and the only way to unlock the ram is with magldr right?
depends what you want to run, yes magldr will do it for android / wp7, , if you want to run winmo 6.5 with teh unlocked ram then you need a rom thaht has teh hack included, along with a 2.x spl, and a x.x.50 radio.
Dont worry about the ram unlock, it really REALLY makes no difference, and in fact the only place there IS a difference between tmous and regular is under winmo 6.5, since in all other scenarios the tmous and regular both show the same ram, , , 420 meg ram in teh case of android.
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depends what you want to run, yes magldr will do it for android / wp7, , if you want to run winmo 6.5 with teh unlocked ram then you need a rom thaht has teh hack included, along with a 2.x spl, and a x.x.50 radio.
Dont worry about the ram unlock, it really REALLY makes no difference, and in fact the only place there IS a difference between tmous and regular is under winmo 6.5, since in all other scenarios the tmous and regular both show the same ram, , , 420 meg ram in teh case of android.
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I should be able to flash any radio and not lose the 850 3g att band right..... Im thinking about flashing the newest one because people say it has improved signal and battery
yea the bands are hardware fixed, they cannot be changed no matter what you do.
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yea the bands are hardware fixed, they cannot be changed no matter what you do.
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Do you know if the newest radio has any battery or signal issues? There is not much feedback on the telstra forum because most people don't want to update there radio.
Also some sites claim the tmous version is taller and fatter too is this true?
Yea tmous is bigger.
Radios-do some reading and youll diacover that a great radio for me may be terrible for you sat right next to each other. Most people havesettled on 2.(10/11/14/15).50 radios.
My advice - flash 2.15.50 and forget about it untill it becomes a problem.
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Yea tmous is bigger.
Radios-do some reading and youll diacover that a great radio for me may be terrible for you sat right next to each other. Most people havesettled on 2.(10/11/14/15).50 radios.
My advice - flash 2.15.59 and forget about it untill it becomes a problem.
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Thanks soo much my phone choice becomes alot easier now
moderators can close this thread... I have all of my answers...