I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
wingm4n said:
I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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its the same phone... so same hardware.
that would explain the poor audio quality i get with radios 2.07 or above. However only a few people seem to have this problem. Others report good quality, reception and battery life.
pencilcase said:
its the same phone... so same hardware.
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It would be nice to throw in a link or two of sources that state that the T8585 and T9193 have exactly the same hardware, otherwise it's just your opinion.
T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz, how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?
Also if some mod could move this to the general forum, i just realized i posted it in the ROM forum.
wingm4n said:
I've been following the developments on the recent radios, including the 2.08.50.08_2 radio thread and i must say i'm very confused. I am under the impression this is a TMOUS radio and from what i gather, TMOUS hardware is not the same as the original leo, especially the radio hardware. And yet i see all these people eager to flash their original leos with these new radios.
My question is: do we know for a fact that these radios developed for TMOUS are being developed with backward-compatibility with the original leo hardware? Is it not risky to flash our phones to run radio software against hardware it is not developed for?
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very good question. would like to know that too.
wingm4n said:
T8585 runs on 850MHz while T9193 runs on 900MHz
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It's the other way around...the T8585 runs at 900/2100Mhz and the T9193 runs at 850/2100Mhz otherwise I believe they are identical (no proof, just what i've read).
I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!
EddyOS said:
I'm using 2.08.50.08_2 on my UK HD2 and it works fine, battery life seems better so it's all good!!
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same here! battery life is definately much improved with this radio.
wingm4n said:
how do we know TMOUS radios are compatible with our original leo's 850MHz working frequency?
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The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
romac said:
The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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some have reported higher temp from the back of their devices.
look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so
wingm4n said:
look i'm not saying that it doesn't work or even that it probably doesn't, i'm just wondering if all these good folks flash it because they know it's the same hardware or because they assume so
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I flashed to 2.08 on a UK Leo knowing if it didnt work i could always go back to previous radio. The decision was not hardware related
romac said:
The fact that those who have flashed to radio 2.08 have been able to with no loss in quality and improved battery life.
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not true in all cases!
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
Starfury said:
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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english please?
Starfury said:
The physical transceiver in the US release may be different but that doesn't matter to the Radio stack software that these guys are flashing
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what makes you say that, pls explain.
gianton said:
what makes you say that, pls explain.
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Radio antenna's have to be "tuned" to the required frequency bands in order to optimise performance. This is usually done by changing the physical length of the antenna and/or using different passband filters.
Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)
samsamuel said:
Ever take an old radio apart? there are (usually) square metal blocks with what looks like a screw head in the top. That can be twisted to alter the working frequency, the rest of the radio doesn't need to be rebuilt/programmed for it to work. Same when Channel 5 started in the UK, they emplyed loads of people to twist a small screw in the back of VCR's to retune them.
Same with the radio's in our HD2s, the hardware will be the same in each unit, just the frequencies pre set differently. The radio stack shouldnt make any difference from one unit to the next, (except of course the internal operation of the stack, , battery life, etc)
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sorry for dumb question but are you saying that TMOUS roms will work just fine on T8585?
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I've been reading about upgrading my radio version (currently 2.06.51.07), does it really make that much of a difference?
I live in the UK, can anyone recommend a version?
Do I have to use a .51 version? what are the differences if I use a .50?
Thanks.
Send me a plane ticket, come pick me up at your nearest airport, put me up and feed me for a week or two and don't forget to buy me a SIM card for your mobile service provider and I'll happily try out a few radios and tell you what I think of their battery consumption with your provider in your area...
boohoo2u said:
I've been reading about upgrading my radio version (currently 2.06.51.07), does it really make that much of a difference?
I live in the UK, can anyone recommend a version?
Do I have to use a .51 version? what are the differences if I use a .50?
Thanks.
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If you read the threads you'll hear only go for a radio with 50 not 51, all rom makers state this.
I've been using a radio 2.12.50 for a couple of weeks and just upgraded my rom and its perfect-clarity is crystal clear and pages load very quick in comparison to original radio
IIRC, flashing the radio depends both on the device and the base rom.
Radios for stock devices
T-MO USA - .50
Other HD2 variants - .51
Again, this is not cast in concrete... I think the radios (.50 & .51) would vary even for stock devices if the base rom has been upgraded.
Bottomline, if you are sticking to a stock rom, check up on what your operator has to offer and don't cheat. That's my best advice. Lot of chaps here have turned their Leo's into bricks because of experimenting with the wrong radio. As of writing this, there is still no fix for it.
If you are switching to a custom rom, then all this becomes moot because the rom chefs always mention which radio is best for their rom.
Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
using radio 2.12.50.02_2 and living in the uk also.
this is by far the most energy efficient radio i used in the uk.
i'm not a heavy user and able to use the phone for 3+ days. though it is mentioned that the battery drain is higher than with 2.10 or 2.11 radio's when calling or playing with the phone.
call quality is good and data also good. it is definitely better to upgrade the radio from the stock radio you are using.
hope this helps you.
boohoo2u said:
Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
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well, if you watch Nadal when he plays at the Roland Garos, you know how it is. He wins, though.
boohoo2u said:
Thank you "11calcal" and "leepriestenator" for your responses.
"NeoGreendawg" some of us are new to this and I feel your response is not very helpful. Yes I use the search button, yes I read hundreds and hundreds of threads but sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees, so asking a question is what I thought these forums are for, to help not to slander.
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Calm down... I may have done it with a sarcastic tone, but I was trying to make a point : only someone in your area who's using the same network as you can really tell you whcih radio would suit you best, so you've just got to try a few for yourself and make up your own mind...
Secondly, the Q&A forum is for questions, not this one...
And last but not least, go and look up slander for me and then tell me what was slanderous about my post .
What NeoGreendawg has just said is exactly true, the Radio is personal preference and depends where you live, no advice can be given on which Radio to use, which it does state on the Radio thread, If you not experiencing any trouble there is no need to change.
Demon_man said:
What NeoGreendawg has just said is exactly true, the Radio is personal preference and depends where you live, no advice can be given on which Radio to use, which it does state on the Radio thread, If you not experiencing any trouble there is no need to change.
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Yup yup, I have flashed from radio to radio and only really seen little to no difference. I am on 2.11.50.20 and there is really no different to any of the other 5 or so I have tried.
Radio not working at all
On T-mobile*, radio version 2.5 1919.4027, using supplied headphones as antenna.
Thing simply doesn't work. I get the spinning colours for about ten seconds, then it closes. Am I missing something?
*EDIT: Sorry should have said T-mobile in UK.
Hi, i have a HD2 unlucked using it with AT&T US. the signal is quite bad, i dont have 3g at all, ive realised the bands dont match up but is there any way to increase signal strength or something. The signal is ridiculous at times where i have no signal at all in my house.
try different radio
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669733
Unless you bought a T9193 (look below the battery cover, is there a "Next G" or "T"?), you won't get 3G.
You might have luck playing with different radios to see if you get better coverage. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713977 for more info. If you have a TMobile HD2, then you might want to check the other HD2 forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=631
If you have any questions, read up on the Q&A forum either way.
thats why I was asking about best/latest Radio Version for AT&T. Is your Radio Version the same as mine, identified in earlier post about AT&T Radio Version?
I have at&t (but I am using a t9193), I am having good results battery & signal w/ radio 2.12.50.02_2 (link in my sig)
what exactly do i do with these radio roms?
sorry im new to this whole thing and dont know alot. thanks
Arkalos13 said:
what exactly do i do with these radio roms?
sorry im new to this whole thing and dont know alot. thanks
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HSPL from here
grab a radio file from here
follow the steps here
Non-U.S. HD2 are not compatible with TMOUS 3G regardless of the radio Rom being used. A more current ROM may provide a better basic 2G/GPRS signal.
Hello all...
First let me apologize for asking this, but the wiki has been down for some time now...
What is the difference between the TMous HD2 and the non-branded/international version? (Not asking about frequencies of radio.)
What makes the device different enough to require its own separate forum? I did notice different cooked rom versions for the two...
If its a software difference, would simply running Task29 on a TMous version solve these issues?
I am looking to get an HD2 to replace my touch pro 2 and just want to be well informed on what I am getting into.
pdiggitydogg said:
Hello all...
First let me apologize for asking this, but the wiki has been down for some time now...
What is the difference between the TMous HD2 and the non-branded/international version? (Not asking about frequencies of radio.)
What makes the device different enough to require its own separate forum? I did notice different cooked rom versions for the two...
If its a software difference, would simply running Task29 on a TMous version solve these issues?
I am looking to get an HD2 to replace my touch pro 2 and just want to be well informed on what I am getting into.
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for one, tmous hd2's use a different radio version (.50) than the international (0.51) and as such, ROMs that are based off the tmous version (for the ability to have the extra memory) have to use the .50 radio or you can brick the phone.
Thanks
Also I just found:
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
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I should have looked harder - thread can be closed.
pdiggitydogg said:
Thanks
Also I just found:
I should have looked harder - thread can be closed.
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Thread closed as per OP's request.
hello everybody,
i want to know what are the difference between the TMOUS antenna and European antenna..
i have the tmous hd2 using in italy, but the signal is not very good, i don t know why...the band is GSM! can I change the tmous antenna with a european one or i will brick my phone??
thanks a lot from italy
andrearoma90 said:
hello everybody,
i want to know what are the difference between the TMOUS antenna and European antenna..
i have the tmous hd2 using in italy, but the signal is not very good, i don t know why...the band is GSM! can I change the tmous antenna with a european one or i will brick my phone??
thanks a lot from italy
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You're thinking of the radios (software), not the antenna (hardware).
You do NOT want to use a radio for the euro HD2 on the T-Mobile HD2, that is the surest way to brick it. However, you CAN try different radios for the T-Mobile version, to see if any of them help improve your reception there.
sirphunkee said:
You're thinking of the radios (software), not the antenna (hardware).
You do NOT want to use a radio for the euro HD2 on the T-Mobile HD2, that is the surest way to brick it. However, you CAN try different radios for the T-Mobile version, to see if any of them help improve your reception there.
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i tried to flash a new radios but the reception doesn' t improve.. i think that the tmous antenna is different than the european one...what do you think about this?? thanks a lot
andrearoma90 said:
i tried to flash a new radios but the reception doesn' t improve.. i think that the tmous antenna is different than the european one...what do you think about this?? thanks a lot
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I don't really know for sure....but it's an integral part of the chassis, so it's not like you could just replace it anyway, not without a lot of effort.
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I don't really know for sure....but it's an integral part of the chassis, so it's not like you could just replace it anyway, not without a lot of effort.
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i' m thinking i must change anything in the registry, for example in "hklm\comm\tcpip" what do you think about this??
andrearoma90 said:
i' m thinking i must change anything in the registry, for example in "hklm\comm\tcpip" what do you think about this??
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I think you need to not mess around in the Registry, that's what.
Just flash different radios, they aren't hard to flash, and try them out for a little, one is bound to help you get better reception!
gaarry said:
Just flash different radios,
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...but DO NOT flash any radio with 51 in the version number. your phone will be unrepairable.
As the other's have said, you can try different TMOUS SUPPORTED radios, but unfortunately that's all you really have available to try... the registry wouldn't have anything to do with reception... it only deals with the PDA function of the phone, not the phone function it's self.
From this thread:
http://www.hiapk.com/thread-583511-1-1.html
The poster attached a photo of his Nexus One with a Radio version which I've never seen before. "32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08"
He reported that he received OTA update notification and the radio was automatically installed by the OTA update.
Has anyone seen that radio version before?
prolly the new Asian radio that has the new drivers and fixes for the vulnerabilities on their devices
JHaste said:
prolly the new Asian radio that has the new drivers and fixes for the vulnerabilities on their devices
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All nexus ones use the same radios
na there was a thread or article i remember reading about some vulnerability fixes for asian n1's via driver updates... brb looking for it lol
(inserts foot in mouth)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=815711
that was the thread i was thinking of but thats for the cpu not the radio... now i am befuddled about this new radio... i want it!
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Passion%20(Nexus%20One)/OTA_Passion_KT_KR_2.18.1010.4_FRG83-2.15.1010.2_FRF91_release_signed.zip
new radio is inside this patch -> radio.img
Extract the file and connect nexus in fastboot mode
fastboot devices
fastboot flash radio radio.img
wdfowty said:
All nexus ones use the same radios
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No.
No they do not.
Well at least all Nexus ones bought from the Google Store without going through the carriers should have the same radio. Not taking into consideration which android version at time of purchase of course.
Anyway South Korea is the only country in Asia that sells the Nexus one on its own through its local carriers, so this radio is probably Korean.
Rusty! said:
No.
No they do not.
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I'll second that!
No. No they do not!
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
so any differences noticed?
I saw a slight speed increase on Wifi and Edge.
Read the details here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8788247&postcount=76
Flashed it and it seems the Wifi and HSDPA are snappier! Much better than the 4.x
Using slcd N1 bought from local carrier
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From this thread:
http://www.hiapk.com/thread-583511-1-1.html
The poster attached a photo of his Nexus One with a Radio version which I've never seen before. "32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08"
He reported that he received OTA update notification and the radio was automatically installed by the OTA update.
Has anyone seen that radio version before?
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Apparently the newest one (5.12) isn't so great: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=828185
Interesting, but hardly scientific.
There is too much variation in the network itself. I can keep my phone in the same spot all day, and watch it fluctuate between H, 3G, E, G, and even no signal at all...
I think it may be indicative, but would need many more data points to be conclusive (1000's).
Good effort though, and certainly worthy of note...
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danger-rat said:
Interesting, but hardly scientific.
There is too much variation in the network itself. I can keep my phone in the same spot all day, and watch it fluctuate between H, 3G, E, G, and even no signal at all...
I think it may be indicative, but would need many more data points to be conclusive (1000's).
Good effort though, and certainly worthy of note...
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Agreed, more people should do the test and THEN only could we do an average and compare the results...
My phone came with 5.08 on stock, then I went to 4.06 by mistake and it was pretty awful...In the end, I decided to try 5.12 and, as I said, it feels a lot snappier than the 4.06 and maybe even than the 5.08...I also think that the technology used could have something to do (frequencies of your network and such)
It's always hard to compare wireless speeds because there is nothing constant and physically exactly repeatable...still good job on the comparison though...we all know that any of the 5.x are better than 4.x anyways
Agreed!
Since switching to 5.12 I don't think I've ever dropped below 3G for any significant period. I don't know if my speeds are any faster, but its certainly more reliable... (5.08 seemed faster, but would frequemtly drop down to E/G, and occasionally loose signal).
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No they do not.
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...Now I'm confused...All nexus ones, to the best of my knowledge, have the same hardware (sparing SLCD, of course), correct? And it isn't like there are radio "versions" for different regions where the phone sells...Only one thread per radio.
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Well at least all Nexus ones bought from the Google Store without going through the carriers should have the same radio. Not taking into consideration which android version at time of purchase of course.
Anyway South Korea is the only country in Asia that sells the Nexus one on its own through its local carriers, so this radio is probably Korean.
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No, you misunderstand what I said. I meant to say they can all use the same radios. But I guess I'm wrong? Can someone correct me?
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...Now I'm confused...All nexus ones, to the best of my knowledge, have the same hardware (sparing SLCD, of course), correct? And it isn't like there are radio "versions" for different regions where the phone sells...Only one thread per radio.
No, you misunderstand what I said. I meant to say they can all use the same radios. But I guess I'm wrong? Can someone correct me?
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/facepalm...
they all use the same hardware, yes... apart from the ATT version which its virtually the same radio but just operates on different frequencies...
the deal is there is different firmware for the radios... firmware is basically a software update for the hardware but its localized to that specific component rather than like a driver for say your video card on your computer which you can tweak and stuff.
so in this case, his radio is the same however is firmware is different... its a newer version... one major difference in n1 firmwares is the 4.0 versions cannot do HD recording, only the 5.0 versions can... the hardware was limited by the firmware version it had... another thing was if you had this phone early on there was an OTA which gave us a new radio that improved the 3g connectivity for a lot of us... hope this helps
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/facepalm...
they all use the same hardware, yes... apart from the ATT version which its virtually the same radio but just operates on different frequencies...
the deal is there is different firmware for the radios... firmware is basically a software update for the hardware but its localized to that specific component rather than like a driver for say your video card on your computer which you can tweak and stuff.
so in this case, his radio is the same however is firmware is different... its a newer version... one major difference in n1 firmwares is the 4.0 versions cannot do HD recording, only the 5.0 versions can... the hardware was limited by the firmware version it had... another thing was if you had this phone early on there was an OTA which gave us a new radio that improved the 3g connectivity for a lot of us... hope this helps
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i believe what he meant, which is correct, is that all nexus ones, whether a euro version, ATT version, or tmobile version, all use the identical radio firmware, whether that is the 4.06, 5.08 or 5.12. sure each one will use different frequencies, but there is no 5.08 for an ATT version vs 5.08 for a tmobile version. its the same radio file for all.
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/facepalm...
they all use the same hardware, yes... apart from the ATT version which its virtually the same radio but just operates on different frequencies...
the deal is there is different firmware for the radios... firmware is basically a software update for the hardware but its localized to that specific component rather than like a driver for say your video card on your computer which you can tweak and stuff.
so in this case, his radio is the same however is firmware is different... its a newer version... one major difference in n1 firmwares is the 4.0 versions cannot do HD recording, only the 5.0 versions can... the hardware was limited by the firmware version it had... another thing was if you had this phone early on there was an OTA which gave us a new radio that improved the 3g connectivity for a lot of us... hope this helps
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Lol, hold off on those facepalms
RogerPodacter said:
i believe what he meant, which is correct, is that all nexus ones, whether a euro version, ATT version, or tmobile version, all use the identical radio firmware, whether that is the 4.06, 5.08 or 5.12. sure each one will use different frequencies, but there is no 5.08 for an ATT version vs 5.08 for a tmobile version. its the same radio file for all.
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That's what I thought. Thanks for setting me straight