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[Q][Sarcasm] NOT another useless thread..ok it is.

Without a doubt the Epic 4g is definitely the most impressive piece of hand-held hardware I have owned to date. I am a long time HTC user and I can promise I will [probably] never go back. There is no other phone on the market that I would rather have for the uses that I use it for. I made my decision wisely after a lot of research. So with that being said, why in the world is so many people so up in arms and worked up over not getting a 2.2 update? Do you really need flash that bad on your phone? If you're spending that much time using flash sites then why not man up and buy yourself a decent netbook? Seriously I don't understand. The only reason I have ever been upset that I didn't have flash was when I was unable to masturbate to my normal free porn site, and instead had to find a mobile version. An inconvenience, yes, but not to the extreme that I cursed samsung. Besides it's much better to have two hands free (for some of us anyway).
So what is it? You want to brag to the girls at the bar that your Epic can do more mflops than a Amsterdam prostitute? Someone please enlighten me here. My experience with 2.1 has been super smooth, responsive, and no app I can throw at will slow it down. In real world use what is the benefit of 2.2? Oh yeah it would be nice to have the new gmail app with the return/forward at the top instead of the bottom, true, but what else?
If you weren't tied to your phone's benchmark like it was the size of your peni$, what seriously is the Epic 2.1 lacking that a 2.2 update would fix?
edit: Keep an eye out for my new rom: Better than froyo. Completely Stock with madthumbs mobile bookmark baked in.

You want to brag to the girls at the bar that your Epic can do more mflops than a Amsterdam prostitute?
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People gotz to get their porn. You know, put all 4 inches to their full potential.

cuz the roll out of fR0yo promises 20% less sticky screen after a session of mobile masturbation and a online myspace gf!

plapczyn said:
People gotz to get their porn. You know, put all 4 inches to their full potential.
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Ha!

Mikandi works on eclair and froyo )
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I wondered the same thing for a long time. If you need flash so bad then download the adobe flash app.
Now most of us are on the leaked froyo I'm seeing crap about gingerbread. What's so special about that is what I really wanna know.

I get mad lag on my stock 2.1 phone. This is my second Epic since launch and both lagged after about 12 hours of uptime.
I brought this phone in to Sprint and of course it decides to be all snappy for them. >:-| So my only hope is for the better task management FroYo offers will remedy the lag. That said, sure the lack of an update sucks, but I'm not sweating it.
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Fine, but seriously... lack of 2.2 is not what kills it for me on this phone... it's the damn screen that's calibrated like ass. Being a photographer, I just have to ask myself... who the f wants to stare at a screen that calibrated to a very cool temp?

2.2 won't help you there, but this will: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-universal-version-takes-aim-at-more-phones/#
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OMG! THANKS! If I was into man-love, I'd offer you free blowjob, but I'm not, so for now a simple thanks still suffice.
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Hmmm.... wonder if any Devs know if theres a way to adjust more advanced settings than RGB... thats great, but It would be nice to be able to ISF calibrate this thing, it does have amazing image potential. May even be able to set up profiles for outside, movie, the retarded 'sports' one, oh wait, think its on that... Set up to work well with the lighting at a Sprint store I would assume...

I'd like to be able to use the audio-out function of the expensive factory dock I bought. I'd also appreciate full voice command support.

There is more to Flash than just websites and video. Froyo also gives you the ability to run Adobe Air applications as well as run Flash content. I already have two Air apps that I've been working on that I will be putting on the market once I've got 2.2 on my Epic and can test them myself.
Not to mention that Google has been updating their core apps and some will now require 2.2. I, for one, don't relish the fact that a phone I bought 2 months ago can't run the latest apps.
And please don't tell me to install a custom ROM. I'm new to Android and this is my primary communication device for personal and business use. I'm not really ready to risk screwing it up just yet.
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ungovernable1977 said:
Hmmm.... wonder if any Devs know if theres a way to adjust more advanced settings than RGB... thats great, but It would be nice to be able to ISF calibrate this thing, it does have amazing image potential. May even be able to set up profiles for outside, movie, the retarded 'sports' one, oh wait, think its on that... Set up to work well with the lighting at a Sprint store I would assume...
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I have an i1. We can't calibrate the phone..but I might be able to run the software via vnc to get a color temp.
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nicholishen said:
Besides it's much better to have two hands free (for some of us anyway).
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It should be noted that OP has very small hands.

greezestain said:
It should be noted that OP has very small hands.
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That's what scared me about upgrading to this massive phone. You ever seen that burger king commercial with the tiny hands? Kinda like that.
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themirthfulswami said:
There is more to Flash than just websites and video. Froyo also gives you the ability to run Adobe Air applications as well as run Flash content. I already have two Air apps that I've been working on that I will be putting on the market once I've got 2.2 on my Epic and can test them myself.
Not to mention that Google has been updating their core apps and some will now require 2.2. I, for one, don't relish the fact that a phone I bought 2 months ago can't run the latest apps.
And please don't tell me to install a custom ROM. I'm new to Android and this is my primary communication device for personal and business use. I'm not really ready to risk screwing it up just yet.
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I can see how it would be frustrating if you are using the epic as your only android device to develop on, but don't they have emulators?
I guess my op q was directed more at real world use. Personal and business uses. I've flashed several 2.2 Roms an Always end up back at baked snack for smoothness, reliability, and battery life. I punish this phone as an account executive. I just have never had a smooth experience with any of the 2.2
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Netflix

Wondering if anyone has gotten the leaked Netflix app to connect to the servers to stream yet?
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Search works wonders!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994863

whewstoosae said:
Search works wonders!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994863
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Yea unless u don't read the op and notice that he wants a working version which u supplied the version that he is probably talking about that doesnt work.
No version works yet btw
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superchilpil said:
Yea unless u don't read the op and notice that he wants a working version which u supplied the version that he is probably talking about that doesnt work.
No version works yet btw
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Tell me how this thread is necessary when you can post in the thread I referenced? Better to have info in one thread then start another, good try though.
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jprakes said:
Wondering if anyone has gotten the leaked Netflix app to connect to the servers to stream yet?
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The Netflix service itself has not yet been activated for mobile devices due to a DRM issue and that is why the leaked apk can only assess the system. I know that the link as already been provided to my previous thread, but feel free to post any questions there and I'll try to update everyone.
Hope that helps.

redsunrising said:
The Netflix service itself has not yet been activated for mobile devices due to a DRM issue and that is why the leaked apk can only assess the system. I know that the link as already been provided to my previous thread, but feel free to post any questions there and I'll try to update everyone.
Hope that helps.
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Heh, so basically Apple has Netflix by the nuts on this as it works on their devices which happen to be mobile devices.

badogg said:
Heh, so basically Apple has Netflix by the nuts on this as it works on their devices which happen to be mobile devices.
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that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.

gruss01 said:
that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.
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This kind of stuff pisses me off. It is one of the main reasons that I will not get an iPhone. I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, but my wife got that as a gift and I haven't picked it up since I got my Dinc. Especially now that I'm running Protekk's CM7 Rom
I just hate when big companies corner consumers to force people to buy their products and not someone else's. Too much of that going on these days, especially in the mobile and PC markets.

badogg said:
This kind of stuff pisses me off. It is one of the main reasons that I will not get an iPhone. I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, but my wife got that as a gift and I haven't picked it up since I got my Dinc. Especially now that I'm running Protekk's CM7 Rom
I just hate when big companies corner consumers to force people to buy their products and not someone else's. Too much of that going on these days, especially in the mobile and PC markets.
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I totally agree with this!

gruss01 said:
that's my thought too, I think they have VZW by them now too since they're releasing the thunderbolt at $250....just gotta price it a little higher than the iphone hmmmmmmmmm. yeah this netflix drm thing sounds like a bunch of smoke.
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Actually the issue at hand has more to do with the production companies who would love any reason to back out of their contracts with Netflix and sue them. Essentially they won't let Netflix release anything if it even has a chance of being pirated and given Android's open source nature they need hardware DRM since they can't bake in the software DRM as in iOS and WP7.
Hope that provided some clarity.

i would think there would be someway hide the fact that you are accessing it with an android phone, make it think you are on a laptop or something using silverlight. i really have no idea how this works, or what it is that tells them you are on a android device, but with all the different types of emulators seems like someone could emulate that.

I would love to blame Apple as it is so much fun, but unfortunately this is a DRM (digital rights management) issue. There is a feeling that Android devices are too open source. (laughable since the pc is the #1 route for violating that with access to torrents and p2p). The windows based phones also have netflix. Netflix itself would love to get their app on Android phones as it can only increase business, but they must get past the issue of DRM. I'm waiting patiently as well.

How ironic is it that there was an ad for Netflix in my view of this thread
Anyways, we will get Netflix. I think the demand is too high for them to ignore.

Goggles rooting police

Check this out
www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/foge...olice-are-here-led-by-Google/2573?tag=nl.e539
does this mean Google will be clamping down on rooted phones? opinions please
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gsw5700 said:
Check this out
www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/foge...olice-are-here-led-by-Google/2573?tag=nl.e539
does this mean Google will be clamping down on rooted phones? opinions please
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Google only has so much power. If they want yo offer some of these services they news to cooperate with Netflix, MPAA, etc. I think some of these blogs/people are blowing this out of proportion.
Tapa tapa tapa

The article sounds a bit hysterical to me, going for fearmongering which surprises me coming from Kendrick who I usually agree with. This feels like those Apple commissioned "Android is tracking you too!" articles that came out during the recent iPhone privacy problems.
The fact that both Netflix and Google are doing this only with videos makes very clear what is inspiring it...they are afraid of getting sued by some deep-pocketed movie studio in an RIAA style vendetta because some wizkid found a way around DRM on a rooted device and passed 100 copies of Avatar 5 or something. At the very least that possibility could make the studios deny their content to Android while still suppling it to tight-as-a-drum iPhones and ipads. That would be bad.
This seems like an altogether healthy and intelligent step for Google to take to protect android's future growth. I can't see Andy "Privacy? Where?" Rubin fighting an all out campaign against rooted Android devices...and the carriers won't since they they know rooted phones are a big draw against the iPhone.
This is definetly bloggers just looking for negative android stories to please Cupertino.
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I think it protects copyrights more than anything ATM. Even with music, stealing is stealing. I think its nothing to worry about.
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i dont think anything will happen for rooted users.
its what makes android / google so unique, Free from the closed source community.
if they where to clamp down on rooted users it would put off a lot of users, maybe making them switch to another OS.. google dont want that.
Anyway, its our device so its upto us what we do with it, we know that rooting voids our warranty / improves chances of bricking, but we do it still...
android is for the experienced phone user, if it wasnt hackable, i dont think we would like it so much

gsw5700 said:
does this mean Google will be clamping down on rooted phones?
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I sure hope not and I pray that this doesn't catch on. With HTC doing their best to make rooting custom ROMs impossible and app vendors deciding they don't want to run on rooted phones at all that might give others ideas ... When all's said and done jailbroken iPhone users might have more freedom than we do.
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The article sounds a bit hysterical to me, going for fearmongering
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Well, is it true or not? Should be easy enough to check for someone in the US.
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tight-as-a-drum iPhones and ipads
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Say what?
azzledazzle said:
we know that rooting voids our warranty
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Just because I've always wanted to know, where does it actually say that?

fallenguru said:
I sure hope not and I pray that this doesn't catch on. With HTC doing their best to make rooting custom ROMs impossible and app vendors deciding they don't want to run on rooted phones at all that might give others ideas ... When all's said and done jailbroken iPhone users might have more freedom than we do.
Well, is it true or not? Should be easy enough to check for someone in the US.
Say what?
Just because I've always wanted to know, where does it actually say that?
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First, I know that it is true, but it is not the first step in an antirooting war that Kendrick tries to present it as. Therefore, it is fearmongering.
Second, since all such downloads go through Apple's proprietary money spinner called iTunes, it is a much more controllable environment than android with the market. Apple has pledged itself from the first iPod to be all about DRM....Google not so much.
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rschenck said:
This seems like an altogether healthy and intelligent step for Google to take to protect android's future growth. I can't see Andy "Privacy? Where?" Rubin fighting an all out campaign against rooted Android devices...and the carriers won't since they they know rooted phones are a big draw against the iPhone.
This is definetly bloggers just looking for negative android stories to please Cupertino.
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I agree.
It's not really going to do much to the community. Someone will find a way around it if it is infact true.

No more adobe flash for mobile?

I thought this was interesting, and super lame. Dont know if its old news, buts its the first I heard of it.
No more adobe flash support for mobile?
http://www.slashgear.com/adobe-slam...over-mobile-flash-cut-stock-plunges-09194410/
Lemme know what this means to you all.
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I just received an update on Flash 11. So It might be the last

Hmm, I wonder if Google might change it's mind about flash now, they might go back with Apple and Microsoft and replace flash
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Flash is old hat though....
Technology is moving forward. We have things like HTML5 replacing the need for flash.
Flash is slow, clunky, and a battery and resource hog. Good riddance!

I dunno, I personally love having flash. I like my web pages to render exactly like a desktop, cuz my phone IS my desktop.
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I have always hated Flash but it's the best we have and everyone uses it unfortunately. Losing this ability on our phones is a bad thing no matter how you slice it. If we had something better that was more universal that's a different story but we don't.

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I have always hated Flash but it's the best we have and everyone uses it unfortunately. Losing this ability on our phones is a bad thing no matter how you slice it. If we had something better that was more universal that's a different story but we don't.
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Do u think its possible Google has something up their sleeve. They have to realize how many people bought android because of flash. I would hope so at least

revol.epic said:
it means the iphone wins and android is in the dust. people only dropped apple for android for flash... now no difference...
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It does not....No one I know bought an Android for the sole reason that it plays Flash, and if anyone did, they're an idiot. I bought one because I could customize it, root it, and a boatload of other things that I can't do with an iPhone. HTML5 is way better than Flash anyway. We'll all be better off because of this.

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Ummm, actually, Flash is one of the main things I was excited about when I moved to android on June 4th 2010 (evo launch).
I came from WinMo. The skyfire browser on WinMo supported flash, and finally provided a desktop experience on my phone.
Reading the comments on the article I linked to seemed to support the argument that HTML5 could be great, if it was developed a lot further than its current state. Which means, as OstrichSak said, what until then?
And hopefully google DOES have something up their sleeve
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scottspa74 said:
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Ummm, actually, Flash is one of the main things I was excited about when I moved to android on June 4th 2010 (evo launch).
I came from WinMo. The skyfire browser on WinMo supported flash, and finally provided a desktop experience on my phone.
Reading the comments on the article I linked to seemed to support the argument that HTML5 could be great, if it was developed a lot further than its current state. Which means, as OstrichSak said, what until then?
And hopefully google DOES have something up their sleeve
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It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.

Evo4gLI said:
It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.
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Funny choice of words because they will still be using AIR. lol
They aren't supporting mobile flash "in browser". But they are still supporting flash on mobile devices via AIR.

Evo4gLI said:
It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.
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Right, true. I guess I was just really shocked to see it no longer be supported. Anyhow, thanks for everyones comments and observations here

ICS is here (sort off)

Saw a post on theverge, someone has ported ICS to transformer and making this the first tablet with a ics-port.
Much is not working, there is a youtube link in the artikle: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/21/...fficial?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I am going to wait until ASUS throws the official update my way, but just a few glimpses makes me giddy.
The browser loaded a web page instantly!
Really excited to see where it goes next.

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The browser loaded a web page instantly!
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While that does appear promising, bear in mind that ICS doesn't handle Flash content yet. I would not be surprised to see performance take a huge hit once Flash is enabled.

as long as it does not make us a html5 cripple im happy

earlyberd said:
While that does appear promising, bear in mind that ICS doesn't handle Flash content yet. I would not be surprised to see performance take a huge hit once Flash is enabled.
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Do people really care about flash? I get by just fine with flash blocked in my desktop browser, and I'M thinking of removing it from my phone because I just don't use it.
A far as I can tell, Flash on mobile has just been a marketing exercise.
I'm much more interested in finding out how purple have their TF101 dev environments set up so I can try building my own...
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..aaaaand I've just found out that I don't even have Flash installed on my phone anyway. I guess I won't miss it on ICS then...
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we have html5 screw flash
Who is the dev behind this ??
Is he going to share at some point??
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Hmmm, I see the name 'Bumbledroid' who was also developing roms for the Advent Vega... Excellent developer if you ask me, this is his twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/BumbleDroid

Criminy that browser's fast. And Flash can always be turned off, so I've never understood the complaints about a performance hit.

wynand32 said:
Criminy that browser's fast. And Flash can always be turned off, so I've never understood the complaints about a performance hit.
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Yep, and likewise you can load flash for one specific element with a simple tap, so it's actually preferable to leaving it switched on, if you ask me. Quicker page download, and less annoying, flashing ads...
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Yep, and likewise you can load flash for one specific element with a simple tap, so it's actually preferable to leaving it switched on, if you ask me. Quicker page download, and less annoying, flashing ads...
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Looks pretty fast, although another video elsewhere suggests to me that home page swipe still isn't quite as smooth as the iPad 2. (Not surprising, as Apple customized their proc to include dedicated processes for specific functions, and I'd bet swiping is one of them.)
I'd like to see Photoshop Touch on the Prime -- that could really take advantage of the processor power!

I want flash, I like to play flash games on my transformer. I like that "tubes" for adults works great (only red have issues). I want it, even if browser with this plug-in is slower.

Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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Holy **** shut up about Flash. Adobe isn't making it for mobile devices anymore. We will still have it, and many people still need it. I'm tired of like 30% of the threads in this forum contain people either *****ing about the lack of flash or being delusional enough to believe flash is useless on mobile.
ICS will get flash. So will Jellybean and other newer firmwares. No one, and I do mean absolutely no one, gives a **** about whether you want flash or whether you don't want flash.
With that said, the browser is insanely fast. That isn't just because flash is disabled, it's an actual increase in rendering time (along with a few tricks to convince you it's instant).

Gary13579 said:
Holy **** shut up about Flash. Adobe isn't making it for mobile devices anymore. We will still have it, and many people still need it. I'm tired of like 30% of the threads in this forum contain people either *****ing about the lack of flash or being delusional enough to believe flash is useless on mobile.
ICS will get flash. So will Jellybean and other newer firmwares. No one, and I do mean absolutely no one, gives a **** about whether you want flash or whether you don't want flash.
With that said, the browser is insanely fast. That isn't just because flash is disabled, it's an actual increase in rendering time (along with a few tricks to convince you it's instant).
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Woah! Steady up ol' fella.... don't get upset.... and I think you probably mean the rendering time is decreased or the rendering speed is increased ;-)
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stinky73 said:
Woah! Steady up ol' fella.... don't get upset.... and I think you probably mean the rendering time is decreased or the rendering speed is increased ;-)
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I'm not upset, merely annoyed, I naturally tend to swear a lot. Yes, I meant decreased. It looks faster than honeycomb, but it also only displays the page after it's fully rendered, which is known to cause a difference in appeared loading time.

stinky73 said:
Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
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That's for mobile only, and even if Adobe kills it off on the desktop, it will take a period of several years at the least before it largely dies out online. Apple sheeple may be willing to accept partial web access during those years; Android users aren't. We want, expect, and almost certainly will get flash on Ice Cream Sandwich.

http://m.androidcentral.com/adobe-flash-player-111-coming-galaxy-nexus-end-year
Assuming this means all of ics ......
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I seriously can't wait for ICS on my phone and shiny new tablet! It'll be great to have them both running the same version of Android, especially if AOSP builds can be used just as well on the TF as Asus' official builds.

stinky73 said:
Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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Um...? That is only partially true. If you're going to give facts, you should give ALL the facts. That way it won't look like a one-sided story.
I guess the fact that Adobe PLANS to bring flash to ICS doesn't matter? And don't you think by the time HTML5 comes out, Jelly Bean would be ready?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/244405/adobe_flash_for_ice_cream_sandwich_by_yearend.html