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Hey guys,
here is HTC Facebook page.
Looks like it is starting to pick up with people complaining about the bootloader being locked.
Maybe we can all jump on there and let them know how happy we are that they are doing this, along with what other phones we will be buying now.
Hit thanks!
Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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dirkyd3rk said:
Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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lol some one is cranky
dirkyd3rk said:
Couldn't you just have posted this in here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094253
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He did the right thing.
CheesyNutz said:
lol some one is cranky
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Lol, maybe...... happens when you don't get any in the morning.
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dirkyd3rk said:
Lol, maybe...... happens when you don't get any in the morning.
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lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
OH SNAP
Lmfao.......
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conqu1stador said:
lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
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:rolls eyes: im not usually a ****, just sometimes ..... *bastard*
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conqu1stador said:
lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
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LOL...
Thanks guys.
Its not like i put it in the Dev section... Jeeze
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lmao well that'd explain why you're usually a ****
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Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.
tejasrichard said:
Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.
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Hahahahahaha im done!
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lmao...wtf is really going on lol
Well. I posted. Think ill post again. This really pisses me off.
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tejasrichard said:
Men who live in chocolate factories with bunch of little orange dudes shouldn't point fingers.
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Damn you, Tejas!
*shameface*
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Off topic: Im also sad because my 1yr old LG 46" LCD went out this morning. Sucker just shut off while I was watching it, doesn't show any sign if life. Glad I bought the bestbuy blk tie they will swap it out. Still pissed though. Grrr
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I just checked the HTC fan page. Only one post on that entire first page is NOT about the locked bootloader. That's just amazing to me. Question is, will HTC listen to what the customer wants?
SilverStone641 said:
I just checked the HTC fan page. Only one post on that entire first page is NOT about the locked bootloader. That's just amazing to me. Question is, will HTC listen to what the customer wants?
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yeah i saw the page too but they won't change it before launch... something made them do this to the 3d. basically i think htc is saying them do not support flashing custom roms.
ill stick to my new nexus s 4g thanks!
Here is what i wrote,
Signed/Encrypted bootloaders... Come on HTC... This really pisses me off. Think about it, really, what are you losing here? Almost nothing. It is the persons choice to root, so you lose no quality control.
But back onto the actually point. Signing/encrypting bootloaders or other functions of a device that a consumer owns was considered a radical idea. It was frowned upon and was thought of as childish. And that is how you guys are acting, childish. You lock down your phones because your scared of what.... progress?
I understand there are some problems for you with rooting. For example, free wireless tethering, ability to use leaked ROMs and other factors. But this is such a small hand off to wage war with developers. Microsoft did it, Sony did it, even Apple did it.... Look were they all are now. The hackers do everything they can to make sure they can hack and DOMINATE the devices they lock down. In Microsoft's and Sony's case, there is a difference in reason, piracy. Now, tell me, if I can already install any app on my phone, what piracy are you protecting users form by not allowing them to do anything custom with their phone?
You have brought the whole world a step backwards, as a lot of people believe in your philosophies, and eventually will standardize them. What this about to start is enormous, there is no problem right now for you because people aren't even trying to hack your gay signature checks. Why? Because those developers DONT BUY THAT PHONE. ------->DONT<---- Buy that phone. Now, once that this standdard is implemented with every single modern phone, you guys will be tormented by the constant stream of hacks and exploits the a full force of developers can bring. You will be stressed to the point as the iPhone jailbreaking scene replicates itself to Android devices.
I mean come on HTC, do you really want to start all of this? I wouldn't. By not locking down your devices, you gain more customers(even though its a small percent that would leave because of your decisions), you gain a better view from people as a good company, and you get the benefit of geeks saying good things about you on their blogs. Yes HTC, thats were all the reviews come from, US. We will spare you no mercy in our reviews if you condemn us to this treatment any longer.
On a final note, i hope to rethink your decisions to sign/encrypt bootloaders and other parts of the phone. The whole point of Android is to be OPEN, not CLOSED. Thats what makes it different. The point is to be open, no matter what COST or FACTORS convince you otherwise. I do not even want to buy the HTC Evo 3D now because of your changes. Now HTC, rethink what you have done, please, and see if you can change it before it gets out of hand. In the end, you are the company that gets to make the decisions, but we are the consumers who buy your products.
Thanks so much for a great ride so far HTC,
You will be missed
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HTC responded back.....
" HTC
Update on Bootloaders Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon...."
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So does this mean the Evo 3d can never be rooted? Or does it just make it more difficult ?
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I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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nbunn said:
I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.
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Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.
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+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.
Dulanic said:
Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.
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I like the system as the way it is. It keeps tons and tons of people employed and they make a lot of money. And no I am not a lawyer or patent holder. I am a pc deployment tech.
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havent tried it yet, but from screenshots I guess I can see why people would say that. So were going from xbox looking to winmo7 looking? I guess its a slight improvement... aside from aesthetics, does it navigate better? The thing I like about android is that it will probably change way before winmo does, just like TW will move on from its similarities to iOS way before iOS does... so who cares? As far as lawsuits, it does appear to just be corporate tactics, even if just to get a headline on engadget for a day, free advertising. I love apples one of wanting to see what samsung has coming in the future... looks like apple is developing something new, and this is how they do it!
All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.
XtaC318 said:
Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.
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No they aren't
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No they aren't
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This, not settled yet (patent purchases from nortel still need reviewed by trade commission and fcc), and...
Firstly, love the new market.
Second, good freaking luck if microsoft tried that. Remember, this just the market's new interface. The "look and feel" you're refering to is windows phone 7's entire homescreen UI. Apples to oranges
On a side note; this is exactly why I think that a lot of apple's suit against samsung I going to go down in flames. They're trying to compare iOS's homescreen UI to touchwiz's app drawer. This would make te other half of the suit, that the external hardware appearance of the device's look similar, also somewhat shaky. I have a hard time believing that a judge will buy the arguement that people are choosing one device over another because of the external aesthetics alone (if you go with my first theory that the UI part will be thrown out), considering there have certainly been other devices with a middle select button that were never taken to court.
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Pete720 said:
+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Apple thinks that they invented electronic devices. They have some pretty wild claims. Glad they don't make cars.....could you imagine that mess? They'd be claiming they invented the wheel, anything with 4 wheels is just copying them. They'd be trying to trademark items like "Sports Car", or "Coupe", and "Windshield Wiper".
They need to be slapped down with common sense approaches in the legal system.
They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Wizard Knight said:
All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Good post, this is actually pretty spot on in my opinion. All these apple lawsuits accomplish 2 objectives for Apple as far as I can see.
1) Gets Apples name out in the tech blogs/sites regularly and gets the publicity.
2) Makes software and hardware manufacturers spend more time dealing with public/court/etc. After all, time is money.
muyoso said:
No they aren't
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Yeah they are.
From cellblock D
Indeed I used to admire Apple a few years ago but now I find them distasteful due to their haughty attitude. It isn't like that they invented the entire world.
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Zor Omega said:
Yeah they are.
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No they aren't. Leave statements of fact to people who know what they are talking about.
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As Apple said, its about the "Ecosystem" they don't have to be right...they just have to point fingers....
It kinda works like this, if you keep claiming a person is a "murderer" and spread the word around, people somewhere deep down will partly believe it. Negative news travels faster then positive news. So the general public will gain the impression that everyone is "Stealing" or "Copying" Apple regardless of whether its true or not...
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They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Which phone is this? But I think the problem is that most likely Samsung didn't actually patent the design of their phone. Thats what Apple does. They patent everything in the broken patent system, especially generic non-tangible things like the rough layout of their UI. They even go as far as to trademark the "highway 280" logo for their IOS maps app. Then they go off and sue everyone that relatively may somewhat be sorta kinda similar to them. All this instead of simply making a new and more innovative product. Hey if you can't beat em, litigate em.
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I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.
CapsLockKey said:
I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.
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Haven't you heard? Microsoft invented square boxes...
Google aquiring Motorola Mobility.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html?m=1
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Sounds like google is finally gonna get some type of protection from that cry baby *teve $obs, i mean he can only have some many lawsuites before people start getting tired of his failed attempts to keep iPhone on top
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I like the name Motoroogle (from an article i read on Extreme Tech) Has a nice ring too it. Lol
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Yeah i agree,and if they stay sensitive to allowing us control of our phones then when Htc or other partners get outta line Motoroogle will tell'm shape up or no more for you.
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This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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yeah its still up in the air to who the next nexus phone is going too.
Well I will probably get flack for this, but here goes. Before you get all happy about this aquisition by Google. Remember who Motorola has been in bed with for the better part of their phone "Greatness" , Verizon . The original we're going to throttle your data, you better not be tethering (even though your paying for unlimited) , if we can't charge you for it you can't do it, we're going to control everything you do on your phone carrier. So even though it's Google new company, the employees are still the old regime. With the old habits, especially the Executives. I'll always remember a quote from one of Verizon's press releases stating " the Companies bottom line is always the most important aspect in considerations involving customers" . I understand this true for any company. But to say it in a press release like that says a lot about how they perceive their customer base. Yes, I understand this is only my opinon
No flack here,you make avalid point
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Google should have bought HTC.
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Google should have bought HTC.
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Yeah but do they have the patent portfolio tomake themselves as attractive? Hardware would have been superior.
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VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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Wouldn't make sense. HTC makes great phones but do not have the large patent portfolio that Moto has built up over many years in the mobile industry.
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i live in seattle and googles from redmond, theyve been on the news about this quite a bit and theyve even said themselves they just wanted the patent portfolio to help in defending android and the developers against apple, microsoft and the rest of the other bull**** patent trolls.
I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
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I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
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I'd imagine that since these patents are typically incredibly vague such as "scrolling menus" that if Apple sues HTC or Samsung over infringing on one of their vaguely worded patents then Google could jump in and brandish one of their equally vague patents and say that Google actually has the patent for it, not Apple.
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just so yall know i didnt see a splash screen for this new motoroogle or googlerola or whatever you want lol (it has only been a day) so i decided to make one. I posted it on im.nick.hellos new thread for splash screens along with some others i made.
I just have to wait for him to convert them into splash img format and a flashable.
SO GO CHECK IT OUT
BTW: I hope im not hijacking the thread. I dont think i am because it is technically about the thread in a way. but if i am please set me straight!
Edit: In regards to the post above there is no real reason to buy HTC
1)they are doing great on there own
2) HTC would not give up sense and google would not want sense
3) HTC would be like 3X the amount that Motorola was
4)Motorola already had made the commitment to android and that was its sole operating system unlike HTC where they make phones for WP7 and Android.
4) Motorolas patent portfolio is much bigger
5) Motorolas not getting sued lol
Just my 2 cents theres probably other reasons too
Google did it for the Patents
I heard its to help cover their a$$ with apple lawsuits
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You know it is,to go from having 317 patents to over 17,000 sure change the game. Literally from defense to offense,see if they give apple some of their own medicine .
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http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...nt/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Wow.
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EDIT: Title changed due to apparent confusion between Cyanogen (Developer of CM), and CyanogenMod (ROM he's developed).
Thats pretty cool. Guy did the work and it paid off. Good for him.
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Crazy it's his side project too. That's pretty awesome!
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what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
vabeachfc3s said:
what a day huh? good day for android thats for sure.
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Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
thelunchboxosu said:
Just good for him, I honestly doubt that you will see much change in any way that Android is distributed.
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Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
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.......they've been talking about this for months too.
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Hell push for factory rooting. Hopefully
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yeah, but factory rooting.....hehe, see HTC's "web unlocker" you can root it, but they will want every single detail about your phone, so they can automaticly void the warrenty.
hopefully samsung won't control the development otherwise devices might not receive updates anymore
So is this good or bad for us? I dont think i would be able to live with out any more updates for my phone running cyanogenmod.
Could a thread title possibly be more misleading??? I'm kinda scratching my head at some of these replies after reading the article. Nobody bought CM! The CM dev was hired on at Samsung!
Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
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If this is true, and Steve continues to work on his "side project" after Samsung forbids him to do so, he could find himself facing an onerous lawsuit from his employer.
It is known as a form of "poison pill". A company hires someone who can or does make a dent into their profits. After a while, they "discover" his work and forbid him to work on it ever again. He continues to work on it and the employer sues, claiming millions in lost revenue. At best, he is out hundreds of thousands before he settles out of court.
From someone who has seen this scenario played out more than once...
Edited title of this thread due to confusion.
Cyanogen = Developer of CyanogenMod
CyanogenMOD = ROM that was developed by Cyanogen
Samsung hires Cyanogen. The CM ROM won't be affected, since it is a side project of his. He is currently employed, and developing his ROM isn't his full time job (although developing constantly, you could make a case for it being a full time job!). CM the ROM won't be affected by this. Updates will continue as always, and Samsung has nothing to do with the CM ROM.
The CM Team was given a Samsung phone a while back and told to "get CM7 running on it", which was pretty cool on Samsung's part. I am sure they are interested in the ROM, since it is great, and updates are frequent to address issues that arise. BUT Samsung does not own the CM ROM, they've merely hired the ROM's creator, Cyanogen.
I think this is a huge leap forward for both samsung and the CM7 community.
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the way i see it, win win
Samsung got another dev to work on their android lineup
Cyanogen got a new job because he has a rom for...countless devices (most of which have been EOL'd by now, namely the OG droid and Droid Incredible) on his resume.
this will not effect cm7, at all, he will continue to operate it as a side-project, samsung did this because they want to keep up with Sense and MotorBlur. (touchwiz has room for major improovements too)
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Well, considering Cyanogen is the developer's nickname and CyanogenMod is the ROM he's developed, what's wrong with the title?
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That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
Congrats to Steve “Cyanogen” Kondik. I see a lot of good coming from this.
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That's kinda like saying I bought General Motors because I bought a Chevy Cobalt. "Hires" makes more sense because you hire men and buy slaves. Sorry... It's not just you. I think the title in the article is ridiculous too. You just passed it along, really. THEY should know better, but this is the problem with amateur journalism that lacks any sort of valid editorial process.
I doubt this will mean any kind of merge though, for those wondering. I see lots of confidentiality agreements in this man's future, and possibly having to divorce himself from the CM project to some degree to avoid questions of intellectual property ownership. Just my thought....
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Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
localceleb said:
Wow, you're annoying...all you do is pick apart what people say and argue about your stupid phone...
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Well his sig did warn us, just saying.
Anyone seen the commercial for these yet? Thoughts ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6W4CCU9M4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Anyone seen the commercial for these yet? Thoughts ?
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everything looks cool but the part where you look at the weather to check weather is just stupid...
yeah, I heard about these. They're meh, not my thing. Having a phone that does it all is more then enough, I can't imagine having a screen in front of your eye telling you useless info 24/7.
Getting facebook updates from your stoner brother updating his status to 'chillin' 8x a day, would be enough to smash them in no time
They already have a parody about these on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TAOYXT840&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Chuck Norris can but Walker Texas Ranger can't.
Most of the Android apps I use have ads plastered all over them, there's no reason to suppose these glasses will be any different.
I just wonder how long it will be before someone is killed wandering around blindly using these things. As if being "powered" by Google isn't bad enough, the safety implications are quite obvious.
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Most of the Android apps I use have ads plastered all over them, there's no reason to suppose these glasses will be any different.
I just wonder how long it will be before someone is killed wandering around blindly using these things. As if being "powered" by Google isn't bad enough, the safety implications are quite obvious.
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We are already at risk with people texting and driving and being general morons with phones anyways. Glasses might make things worse but I'd think they might see what's in front of them one day with them on. I say go for it, I would want them until they had retinal implants with a neural interface of some sort.
http://gajitz.com/bionic-vision-cybernetic-lenses-with-heads-up-display/
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/research/npp/
Think it is neat, but really this has safety hazards written all over the place.
When is enough going to be enough. I betcha it catches on though, lol!
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Didn't Google say that the video wasn't real and was concept? Pretty sure I read about it on endgadget
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Spastic909 said:
Didn't Google say that the video wasn't real and was concept? Pretty sure I read about it on endgadget
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As catastrophic as it's gonna be, people are gonna buy it, it's the next best thing, so screw safety, lol.
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I say go for it, I would want them until they had retinal implants with a neural interface of some sort. http://www.ninds.nih.gov/research/npp/
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Cool! But I’m sure Apple will sue anyone who tries to manufacture them!
Since they hold "retina display" patent already, they will certainly try to apply to everything to squeeze as much money as they can.
I like the design, but we already have a big enough problem with texting and driving deaths. The last thing we need is another distraction.
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Cool! But I’m sure Apple will sue anyone who tries to manufacture them!
Since they hold "retina display" patent already, they will certainly try to apply to everything to squeeze as much money as they can.
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Apple can kiss my banana!
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"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"~Rush
Sent from my HTC One X, using XDA Premium.
Up for preorder for those who happened to attend the IO event, and had $1500 bucks to lay down
While we're still waiting for AOSP ICS for amaze, the JB is out and this video shows how fast it is:
http://goo.gl/SSQzj
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
How about this:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/mobile-and-wireless/20611/nexus-7-jelly-bean-winners-and-losers