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Thoughts on the hardware and capabilities vs. the Honeycomb experience.
Wanted to see what you all thought. XOOM is the first out the gate so everyone after has an opportunity to pick it apart and do better. We all know the XOOM is crippled right now but when all is said and done. Hardware wise, do we think the XOOM will be best in class?
No one is psychic, so this is just discussion. Here are my thoughts:
- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now.
- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still
- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features
- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price.
Surely not.
(but it is today!!)
it definately won't be.
Look back 6 months ago... The Galaxy S series was introduced. My GF didn't even get a year with her phone before it became outdated.
The same is true with the Xoom.
It will definitely still be the "****" though
I think it will be like the original Droid. I still have mine, sure it's outdated now and there are better things out there but it still does everything I need it to do and still runs current software. Shelf life on electronics is 6 months at best IMHO. How long has the iPad been out? A year and we already have an iPad 2. It's the normal course for technology.
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It will definitely still be the "****" though
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Seriously. My HTC Incredible is nowhere near to best in class today. Matter of fact, although it was billed so, probably wasn't back then either... but I digress.
My Inc is still snappy and works awesomely and I have a hard time thinking that it is like the PC universe where your stuff starts to not be able to keep up with software.
Hoping the same for the XOOM. Where it's pretty damn fast now and even in 2 years for the available software, it will still be pretty damn fast.
BUT, maybe what I meant to ask was, vs. other Tegra2 pads, will it be best in class. Tegra 2 class. Quad cores don't count. I would call it another class. Of the parade of Tegra2's coming out, will Motorola have made the best?
The product life cycle of a typical mobile device is 12mos.
In those terms, 6mos is a LOOOONG TIME.
Tablet devices are still new, but I wouldn't be surprised to see similar product life cycles, esp this early in the game. All these tablets including the iPad have a long ways to go before they can replace my laptop.
I think the term 'best' is always in the eye of the beholder; if you play a lot of high-end games then you'll find yourself in need of new hardware at latest every 12 months. If you don't really care about high-end performance but are happy with what you have now then I don't see why the Xoom should not be the best tablet for you! I can only reiterate that the biggest flaw for me is the display but that's still no reason not to love the Xoom!
Verizon devices are almost always copycat items that came out 6 months ago for another carrier (drives me bloody nuts), so your statement about the Inc is pretty much dead on lol. I have not even looked at the specs, but I bet the Thunderbolt is pretty damned close to the Desire HD that has been out for a bit now.
In this case however, They are sporting the early adopter advantage, as well as it being an AOSP device.
I would not count the Xoom out anytime soon.
It most definitely won't be the best 10 inch Android tablet in 6 months. Look at the smartphones have been introduced in the last 6 months! The Android market is booming and there's no reason to think it'll slow down now, especially since NVIDIA have said they'll have quad cores in devices by the end of the year.
However, my wife's HTC Hero is still a decent phone (rooted and custom ROM of course) and she's had it about 20 months. It still does a job.
Technologically, no, it won't be the best, but personally, yes, it could be. It depends on the person. I still think my HTC EVO is hands down the best smartphone on the market. It does everything I want it to do and then some.
Something will come out with a better screen, or take 3D images, or have more RAM, who knows. It will be classified as the "best." However, I think the Xoom beats other tablets in the fact that it's the first one with Honeycomb, it's set the standard for which Google will be updating, so it will likely always be running the latest Android OS. Honeycomb is what sets this device apart from everything else out there, not the hardware in my opinion.
If Google updates the Xoom in 2 weeks, and in 4 weeks a new tablet is released, it will likely already be behind the version of Honeycomb on the Xoom.
Best in class or not 6 months from now, Im hoping for a similar experience that I've had with the Evo. 9 months since I bought it and not once have I had the urge to switch out for something else. Sure, theres better gear out there, but not so much so that it detracts from my purchase.
This question is pointless as very few things are best in class after 6 months. The question is will they be behind in performance. Will the XOOM still do everything Honeycomb can do in 6 months, in a year. I say yes it will. In 6 months to a year though there will probably be at least one tablet with a quad core kal-el tegra 3.
Hopefully that processor brings with it the irrelevant but nice ability to play 1080p high profile video. Between that and adobe hopefully bringing adequate hardware acceleration to flash, our tablets can start doing everything we need.
6 months from now is when nVidia anticipates Tegra 3 in tablets, so no, I don't think the Xoom will make it that long. I think, however, it will remain amongst the best until Tegra 3 launches.
The whole no usb charging thing just puts me off. whatever tablet will charge via usb will get my consideration the most.
Gotta admit, that sucks for me too. But it is what it is. I'll live. Shoulda did what the Nook did. Special USB jack. Allows for high voltage charging.
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The whole no usb charging thing just puts me off. whatever tablet will charge via usb will get my consideration the most.
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I dont Think any tablet will. Sucks but probably True. Unless Computers can output higher Voltage.
You must understand that USB charging is simply not a viable option. It would take FOREVER.
The point of USB charging is not always that it charges, but that you can consume less
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Gotta admit, that sucks for me too. But it is what it is. I'll live. Shoulda did what the Nook did. Special USB jack. Allows for high voltage charging.
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Then people have a charger around the house that could be potentially dangerous to other devices. Even apple recommends not using the ipad charger with anything else.
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Thoughts on the hardware and capabilities vs. the Honeycomb experience.
Wanted to see what you all thought. XOOM is the first out the gate so everyone after has an opportunity to pick it apart and do better. We all know the XOOM is crippled right now but when all is said and done. Hardware wise, do we think the XOOM will be best in class?
No one is psychic, so this is just discussion. Here are my thoughts:
- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now.
- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still
- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features
- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price.
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"- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now." - Having been an Android user since day 1 of the G1, I can tell you this is par for the course. I cant wait for that first OTA. Android 1.1 was so much better than Android 1.0.
"- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still" - My concerns with Samsung is that they are not very friendly to the aftermarket. My wife has an Epic 4g and I have a Galaxy Tab, they are very cumbersome to mod. I like that the Xoom is a Google Experience device and has an unlocked bootloader.
"- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features" - We cant control whats coming down the pike. There will be better devices but those could be a year away.
"- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price." - I agree with display. USB charging maybe. Price is the biggest factor and the main reason I got my Xoom at Costco.
hi, wow , finally a phone that have nexus s display size 4.0 Galaxy S3 Mini,i think i going to buy it ,first video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jCX_PVzhlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3RsmTzbXDk
check this http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s3-mini/4505-6452_7-35484855.html
Sadly the specs aren't that good, more 2011 level.
wow
I wouldn't touch another device supported soley by Samsung to save my life. They make great hardware but their software division is awful and their product support is garbage when their crappy software makes their great hardware run like poor hardware. I don't mind Samsung hardware when Google is poking sticks at the manufacture to get their ____ straight.. But to depend soley on Samsung is just a deal breaker for me.
Nexus devices till I'm dead or Google stops making them.
It's a decent phone for now, but sure is not near future proof. Will it be able to run Key Lime Pie smoothly with the hardware specs? I think it will get obsoleted pretty quickly.
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I really like the form factor, it looks really nice, it will be more durable then the S3 since there is less screen to break. The spec for a device that small is good enough, its can still run stock Android smoothly. Unfortunately its not a Nexus so the software side will suffer. At least it has microSD card. I think its a compelling buy for people who don't want bigger phones. Too bad its 480p, skip.
I do owned many big phones including the Note, but for some reason as I get more knowledge of customizing Android OS, I begin to prefer a smaller phones and don't care as much about outright CPU performance. My ideal phone right now would be:
no larger than 4.2"
at least dualcore, omap preferred (sneer if you may)
at least 1024x640 res, curved amoled screen
pentaband
microsd (since that won't happen with a Nexus, 32gb internal will do)
removable battery
must be a Nexus
Not asking for a flagship powerhouse, just something with a small formfactor and practical while receiving direct Google updates, not asking a lot really. This new LG Nexus isn't close to what I'm looking for though.
Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
Do you know what, whilst I'm very excited about the New N7 and will be doing whatever I can to trade my 1st gen in for a 2nd gen, you raise some very good points.
1 - I totally agree that Google have yet again taken away from us what we all asked for (HDMI) and fit it with yet another random port (Slimport) that needs a special cable as you stated.
2 - I think improving the screen is a good thing, but again a 7 inch 720p is probably sufficient, atleast they don't try and look cool and call it a "Retina" and hope that everyone thinks its special because it has a weird name.
3 - The price point however is something that I personally won't fault Google on, when the first N7 came out it was almost unbelievable and yet to this day my N7 runs like a dream.
Some very good points you've raised!
It hasn't even come out yet. We don't know if these things being leaked are 100%
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It will perform well....whatever you say y'all!
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Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Not that I am aware of, so why you complaining? Its $230, you are basically getting a super sized N4 for $120 less. Sounds like a steal to me, sure the current specs will be out done by someone else sooner, but who really cares chances are you are just going to selling the 2nd gen at some point and buy the 3rd gen.
Point is this is def an upgrade over the 1st gen tablet.
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Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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Just wondering.. Do you even have a nexus 7?
Google changed everything with the nexus 7 and the new model only improves things. It is a great device and there is nothing that compares in its price range. The 7 is a world above the kindle. I have owned both. The kindle I gave away and the 7 I loved. I only sold it because I knew a new model is coming.
I really don't understand the negativity here. Still on the SD slot thing? I think people who need to store 80 gigs on a phone or tablet are living in the past. Nobody can use 80 gigs during a day. Much of the space is just filled with junk.. It really isn't needed. Shall there is a 32 gig model. Surely that had to be enough.
You are entitled to your choice but personally I could give a crap about an sd card on a device that is faster than hell and cheaper too. It is a quality device and durable too. All around great device..
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One more thing.. Small tablets are not " held in portrait" .. Can be held and viewed either way for different things. Obviously you know this but just saying.. The 7 is very hands friendly and the bezel is not a problem. This is why I asked if you had one because if you did you would know how comfortable it is to use and hold onto.
Also... The majority of people buying a 7 inch tablet don't care about miracast or even an HDMI port. It would be nice but I don't think it would be worth another $100 or what ever they would have to charge for it..
As for the display.. I doubt the new nexus will be slower. There was much resources to spare on the last model. And the higher res is just the trend these days. I don't mind it at all and if they did not do it I'm sure it would have been on your list of negatives.
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e.mote said:
Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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I for one CAN see the grains in text on the old Nexus and just barely in text even on the Retina iPads. So I DO need a device with the ppi the new Nexus 7 is promising and I also wanted it no bigger or heavier than the old Nexus 7 . That was the only feature I was really hoping for, so I will be very happy with the new Nexus 7.
I don't understand where people get the idea to use 7 inch Android devices in portrait mode? Unless you are reading an ebook or using a phone app, portrait mode usually gives you tiny text, and just turning it to landscape tremendously improves user experience. And if you do use it in portrait, you can hold it like a phone, it is narrow enough so it can be held in one hand (unlike an iPad mini, unless you have gigantic hands). You need bezels when you hold it in landscape, and guess what? Those bezels are there so you can do that comfortably too. I already have a 10 inch and an 8 inch Android tablet. I gave away my old Nexus 7, but I am buying the new Nexus BECAUSE of its size, bezels and resolution. There are many choices out there. If the Nexus doesn't offer what you want, there are other devices for you to choose from. If you want a grainy screen and big bezels with a larger screen look at the Samsung tablets. My Note 8 fits that description but is still perfect for work since its primary purpose is taking notes. I still want the Nexus 7 at home anyway, because for me, outside of work, it is a much better fit.
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e.mote said:
Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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Pushing a higher res doesn't necessarily mean it's slower. The Adreno 320 is a beast, and the N7B pulls a higher framerate than the current N4 on benchmarks, from what I can tell. Also, the Snapdragon S4 Pro can run up to 3 instructions per clock cycle, whereas older Snapdragons can run 2. This means 2 things. One - it can perform better than processors at the same clock rate, as it is 50% more efficient, and two - it will actually save battery, as more commands can be run on a lower clock rate, so you don't need to push the processor. UNDERCLOCKED to 1.2ghz...on paper, slower than the current N7, it will perform like a Snapdragon at 1.8ghz...alot of power for the given speed. Hell, if I get one, the first thing I'm doing is using the CyanogenMod performance controls to underclock it. It's helluva more powerful than I need.
Wouldn't it be more wise to compare the Nexus 7 2nd Gen to the original Nexus 7 along with similar form factor in terms of performance than a phone?
The Adreno 320 is capable of running 1920x1200 fine.
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The s4 pro with 2gh of ram is BARELY phased at all by a 720p display at 1.5ghz (even as low as 1ghz) so if the nexus 7 ii runs a s4 pro at 1.7ghz and has 2-3gb ram, it will be fine
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Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
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the touch zones are necessary on the ipad mini because it's too wide to comfortably palm. on a device that is more narrow you should be palming it and the fingers would be touching the sides not the front of the device. it isn't any difference than holding a phone which is smaller. so the idea is the more at rest your hand is and more light the device the less fatigue while holding it over time
If you use a DUMB launcher that doesn't support multitouch (only registers last input) then you could get away with small bevels. But Android doesn't have Dumb launchers. Our launchers utilize multi-finger gestures, pinch/zoom, sliding, edge support, etc.
So Android needs bezels unless you dumb down the launchers and other apps.
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If you use a DUMB launcher that doesn't support multitouch (only registers last input) then you could get away with small bevels. But Android doesn't have Dumb launchers. Our launchers utilize multi-finger gestures, pinch/zoom, sliding, edge support, etc.
So Android needs bezels unless you dumb down the launchers and other apps.
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I don't understand this reasoning. You shouldn't be clawing the device in portrait where fingers are touching the screen. It causes fatigue. It does in fact have a bezel just a smaller one which likely accounts for any finger overhang. Maybe it infringes on the way some people prefer to hold their device or have particularly large hands that cause more overhang but I think some of these people should try to learn how to palm because the hand is in more of a resting state than pinching or claw grips (it remains to be seen how the new back material supports palming as the current material is very effective at preventing slipping when holding a device loosely)
Don't know why there would be negativity about the new Nexus. In comparison, even of the Old Nexus 7, or say the Transformer Infinity (TF700) with the 1920x1200 screen as well with the Tegra 3 in it, from benchmarks, the new N7-2 crushes the old Tegra 3 CPU/GPU and the craptastic NAND to go with the tablets.
Myself owning a TF700 and trying the Nexus 7 before returning it because of the same faults. this looks like to fit the bill. High res screen, good performance and should be better on the battery life than that of the Tegra 3 devices since they sucked power and then some.
It could of shipped with the new exynos 5420 octa-core and people would still find something to ***** about.
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It could of shipped with the new exynos 5420 octa-core and people would still find something to ***** about.
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They would cause that is a really closed SOC. That's why most people on xda prefer the GE S4 over the regular octa one.
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There is nothing wrong with this SOC, there is nothing wrong with this device. The price is still extremely cheap, at $229 for the 16GB. Same specs as the N4, but cheaper and with a better display?
You don't have to upgrade your currently N7 if you don't want to.
>Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Yes. The specs that matter to most people--storage expandability, HDMI-out--are indeed offered by many non-Nexus tablets, even the cheapies. As said, I didn't see any outcry for 1080p in a 7" panel, or another proprietary video-out port.
We'll know how the S4 Pro handles 1080p soon enough. It's the exact same SoC in N4, which had to push only 720p. Those familiar with the N10 should still remember how everyone lauded the (then new) Exynos 5 chip, only to find out that it can barely power the N10's 1440p res.
With respect to this morning's "breakfast" announcement, Chromecast similarly disappoints as it's yet another proprietary protocol/widget, and Miracast is now seemingly ignored. Chromecast is limited to 2.4GHz, not the wider bandwidth of 5GHz, let alone WiGig & similar. Really?? Where's 802.11ac support? Not sure what Google is thinking of here with all these inferior proprietary tech.
As for 4.3, it's a wash since it'll be available to all Nexus toys--and in a week, all toys that use CM and 3rd-party ROMs. But as with all the things announced today, 4.3 likewise underwhelms with fairly minor incremental improvements.
>It is a great device and there is nothing that compares in its price range.
Yes, because most 7" tablets have now dropped to the $150 range, including the 16GB OG N7, the Asus MeMo Pad HD 7, and the Hisense Sero 7 Pro. All are good all-around performers, and except for the OG N7, the others have expandable storage. Sero has HDMI-out and MeMo has Miracast. In comparison, the N7B is $80 higher, or more than 50% more expensive than the competition.
Walmart sells the Sero line, which equates to strong distribution that the N7 will never reach. The Asus MeMo should have similar availability.
This isn't to say that the N7B is a bad tablet. Obviously, it improves on the specs of the OG N7, but the improvements aren't meaningful to the average user, and the +50% price comparison to the competition (that has better functionality and wider distribution) bodes poorly for the N7B. Likewise, the days of N7 being the savior of Android tablets are long over. Android tabs are here, and the competition is capable.
Walmart sells the nexus too.
And just about every major electolronics store will be selling the Nexus 7 2 as well. So saying the Sero will have broader market is clearly wrong.
Only XDA and android nerds know about the sero 7 line up. Some mom and dad walking in to Walmart looking to buy their kid a cheap tablet isn't going to know the difference between them all. Chances are they will buy the cheapest one (which is not the Sero 7Pro).
I agree that the better specs are subjective, but when you are talking about raw performance the 2nd gen N7 is better than anything else in its category.
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>Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Yes. The specs that matter to most people--storage expandability, HDMI-out--are indeed offered by many non-Nexus tablets, even the cheapies. As said, I didn't see any outcry for 1080p in a 7" panel, or another proprietary video-out port.
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You realize that SlimPort uses the standard microUSB port and a cable to connect to DisplayPort, HDMI, or VGA.... Right? So it's exactly like anything else, just a new cable.
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Its so sad to see Google our lord and savior pull the plug on our Nexus 9 :crying:
So guys did the Nexus 9 deserve all the hate it got?
Edit: this does not mean support for it has been dropped it just means you can't buy it at google anymore.
The stock experience of Nexus 9 is not great (quite bad actually). But with good custom rom and kernel i very much enjoy it.
For me, it deserved a lot of it. Mine is still working but just had to do one of the required, every-other-month wipes to prevent issues (lag, reboots). The screen size (and quality) is still perfect for me which is why I moved from n7 2013. Altering dpi settings helped with some lag, esp. Chrome. I can't help but wonder if one more GB of ram wouldn't have totally changed how this device works. For the $, it should have been there. It seems HTC did a particularly poor job with policy/warranty repairs.
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18 month support?
So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?
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So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?
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At this point I would consider it to be possible for the N9 to get O, but ultimately we'll have to wait and see
I don't think the device on its own is that bad, (apart from the lightbleed.) All the hate should be directed at Google for not sorting out the issues and not asking HTC for a 3GB device from day 1. :crying:
My N9 has been OK. A bit of light bleed but not an issue. Run custom Rom from new and it does everything goes I want it to do smoothly.
I love the device but for a tablet, I feel they kinda skimped on the specs a little... to a degree that its pretty noticeable especially with many of the latest changes to android requiring more processing power and the fact that a tablet ought to be able to easily handle multi-tasking. It almost seems like their design is more proof of concept based rather than user satisfaction. Either that or they are doing too much and drop the ball on some stuff.
I regret paying so much and getting so little. I will never buy a new device, only after 6 months!
^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)
enriquejones666 said:
^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)
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I enjoy mine, and I like large tablets. With the rumored new Nexus 7, I'll probably grab a pixel c around Christmas if there's no new large Nexus. 7" just doesn't make sense to me with the size of phones.
no, I got two and they are great devices..
No. Though the stock firmware has a bad experience, we still have lots of custom roms and they're great.
If I would have paid $400 for mine I would definitely hate it, but I got it for around $250 directly from HTC in one of those flash sales and I've been pretty happy.
Even if it hurts to say it, as an android fan, for $400 I would rather save a little bit more and grab an Ipad. I had an Ipad 2 for like 3 years and that damn thing never quit, still lasted like 11hrs Sot and even months sleeping (for real). Finally gave it to my GF and her 5yo niece uses and abuses it and that thing still works flawlessly, it's incredible.
Whilst owning the N9 and running CM13, I also picked up a LG v500 for only £70. I put CM13 on the v500 and the performance shows up the N9 for smoothness, consistency and multitasking. This goes against all the benchmarks where the N9 is significantly faster.
With nothing running, the N9 is smoother. Load up a ton of things in the Ram, and it all comes crashing down for the N9 whereas the v500 is still as smooth and speedy as when little is in Ram.
As the N9 was gathering dust, I got rid. R.I.P. Nexus 9.
seems like disabling certain content providers and their corresponding services/receivers for the google play services app has made more than a significant improvement for me. I usually try not to mess with that stuff since it could really screw stuff up too. also, do not deny permissions for anything google. use xposed AppOps to control those. completetely different experience. sad that Google's objective is far more important than user experience.
I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.
albsat said:
I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.
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So did I and I love mine!
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So did I and I love mine!
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Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.
albsat said:
Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.
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I was using Pure Nexus
But I built myself AOSP so I'm using that at the moment
Kernel what how lol
This poll is to determine and estimate how much the new nexus (2016) is anticipated in nexus 6 community.
Used to be YES! But not if the front speakers are gone. Sticking with n6.... Looking at ZTE axon 7 as bootloader is unlocked and twrp plus good hw and cheaper price, good speakers seems worth a better look.
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I see moving to a 5.5" screen as a downgrade.
After spending the price of two laptops on my N6 (£549) I expect it to last more than a couple of years. I like new toys, but there's a limit imposed by common sense. Newer processors may give an infinitesimal improvement in performance, which no doubt can be measured by benchmarks, but the N6 is plenty fast enough for me. The screen may not be the best around these days, but every time I watch a video I think "Wow, this is an amazing quality picture", so again, good enough for me.
No point in squandering resources, is there...?
("I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Best)
I'll stay with Nexus 6, it's the best phone I ever had, even if it's not my daily phone because it's too big, it's really wonderfull with big screen, nice resolution (ready for carboards), enought RAM, 25Go is enought for me, nice photos/videos, good stereo sound with front speakers, fast charge... :good: I still love it
The Nexus Marlin and Sailfish will indeed not be true Nexus devices. It has been announced that Google is rebranding the Nexus brand, rumored at the moment to just be called "G"; and it will not feature a stock version of android, rather there will be G-only features built into the ROM. No word of bootloader yet.
(source: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/30/12712722/google-new-nexus-phones-brand-name-change)
If there is no Nexus device then maybe I will get the One Plus 3
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I see moving to a 5.5" screen as a downgrade.
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Me too, not going to happen as long as there are decent 6" or bigger phones available. It's a pain trying to type messages or emails on such a small screen.
I really want a 64 bit mobile to develop my rom, but the 6P might break if I think about it too hard. So I'll check the new ones, but if they are too expensive here in Europe, and the early reviews are negative, then I'll just keep my N6.
I still love my N6 but I cracked the screen a bit in the corner.
I also want to finally make the move to Project Fi so I'm hoping for a bundle deal.
If what is in the leaks is true. I rather buy note 7. Back design too ugly for me.
There are a lot of reasons why people buy a Nexus device. The 2 most common reasons I always see is either the simplicity of the device (dare I say, bare bones of what a phone should do/have) and stock skin of Android or on the other side, the complex and customisable options that is possible with the fact that Nexus devices are easy to tinker with combined with the support of the developer community who are constantly providing support for devices for years even after they reach their sell by date(shoutout to all the devs btw )
Combined with this I guess its safe to stay for the most advanced users and beginners alike it all depends on if they're specific needs are still being met for them to stay with Nexus 6 or any other device for that matter and if not then it's time to upgrade.
Personally I will probably stick with Nexus 6 for as long as it lasts me or if a phone gets released with everything the Nexus 6 is and hopefully more ( Preferably a phone such as the Xperia Z5 Ultra , if Sony ever release it )
The price is too high for me. No front facing speakers, "just" a 5.5 Inch screen etc etc. For the moment my N6 is fast and stable enough to use it for the best part of the next year as well.
Bottom line, I would rather buy a OnePlus 3, than a "New Nexus" at this point.
Did they unviel it yet? I have my credit card ready. But i love my n6 to much lol
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I've grown to the size of my phone and cant seem myself owning anything smaller.
Since first buying the Nexus 6 a couple years ago or so I've had a Moto X Pure, Huawei Mate 7, OnePlus 3, and now I'm back to the Nexus 6. This phone just has everything I want in a phone. 6 inch screen (which for me is the perfect size), simple, clean design, great development, stereo speakers, and good battery life. No point in updating to a newer phone for minimal gains in speed at the cost of at least a couple of the N6's great features.
More than likely I'm going to upgrade. My N6 will be paid off in October.
I'm ready for a smaller form factor, unless they completely **** it up and the design is completely underwhelming, I will be getting one, I'm not gonna get it on launch day like the Shamu though , gonna take my sweet time waiting for reviews to make a final decision, there is a chance I will be sticking with this device for another cycle, we'll see
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Me too, I wish they would make another Nexus with a screen this size! They did it once and never again! I LOVE my N6!
I'll be keeping my N6 or getting the One Plus 3 if what I have heard and read about the new devices is true. I just love my N6, has everything I've ever wanted (minus a removable SD and/or battery which I really don't miss). Got my son a OP3 and it is really nice, I really liked my OP1. OnePlus is as close to a Nexus as you can get and unlike recent Nexus they are still inexpensive.
Nexus 6