Thoughts on the hardware and capabilities vs. the Honeycomb experience.
Wanted to see what you all thought. XOOM is the first out the gate so everyone after has an opportunity to pick it apart and do better. We all know the XOOM is crippled right now but when all is said and done. Hardware wise, do we think the XOOM will be best in class?
No one is psychic, so this is just discussion. Here are my thoughts:
- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now.
- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still
- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features
- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price.
Surely not.
(but it is today!!)
it definately won't be.
Look back 6 months ago... The Galaxy S series was introduced. My GF didn't even get a year with her phone before it became outdated.
The same is true with the Xoom.
It will definitely still be the "****" though
I think it will be like the original Droid. I still have mine, sure it's outdated now and there are better things out there but it still does everything I need it to do and still runs current software. Shelf life on electronics is 6 months at best IMHO. How long has the iPad been out? A year and we already have an iPad 2. It's the normal course for technology.
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It will definitely still be the "****" though
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Seriously. My HTC Incredible is nowhere near to best in class today. Matter of fact, although it was billed so, probably wasn't back then either... but I digress.
My Inc is still snappy and works awesomely and I have a hard time thinking that it is like the PC universe where your stuff starts to not be able to keep up with software.
Hoping the same for the XOOM. Where it's pretty damn fast now and even in 2 years for the available software, it will still be pretty damn fast.
BUT, maybe what I meant to ask was, vs. other Tegra2 pads, will it be best in class. Tegra 2 class. Quad cores don't count. I would call it another class. Of the parade of Tegra2's coming out, will Motorola have made the best?
The product life cycle of a typical mobile device is 12mos.
In those terms, 6mos is a LOOOONG TIME.
Tablet devices are still new, but I wouldn't be surprised to see similar product life cycles, esp this early in the game. All these tablets including the iPad have a long ways to go before they can replace my laptop.
I think the term 'best' is always in the eye of the beholder; if you play a lot of high-end games then you'll find yourself in need of new hardware at latest every 12 months. If you don't really care about high-end performance but are happy with what you have now then I don't see why the Xoom should not be the best tablet for you! I can only reiterate that the biggest flaw for me is the display but that's still no reason not to love the Xoom!
Verizon devices are almost always copycat items that came out 6 months ago for another carrier (drives me bloody nuts), so your statement about the Inc is pretty much dead on lol. I have not even looked at the specs, but I bet the Thunderbolt is pretty damned close to the Desire HD that has been out for a bit now.
In this case however, They are sporting the early adopter advantage, as well as it being an AOSP device.
I would not count the Xoom out anytime soon.
It most definitely won't be the best 10 inch Android tablet in 6 months. Look at the smartphones have been introduced in the last 6 months! The Android market is booming and there's no reason to think it'll slow down now, especially since NVIDIA have said they'll have quad cores in devices by the end of the year.
However, my wife's HTC Hero is still a decent phone (rooted and custom ROM of course) and she's had it about 20 months. It still does a job.
Technologically, no, it won't be the best, but personally, yes, it could be. It depends on the person. I still think my HTC EVO is hands down the best smartphone on the market. It does everything I want it to do and then some.
Something will come out with a better screen, or take 3D images, or have more RAM, who knows. It will be classified as the "best." However, I think the Xoom beats other tablets in the fact that it's the first one with Honeycomb, it's set the standard for which Google will be updating, so it will likely always be running the latest Android OS. Honeycomb is what sets this device apart from everything else out there, not the hardware in my opinion.
If Google updates the Xoom in 2 weeks, and in 4 weeks a new tablet is released, it will likely already be behind the version of Honeycomb on the Xoom.
Best in class or not 6 months from now, Im hoping for a similar experience that I've had with the Evo. 9 months since I bought it and not once have I had the urge to switch out for something else. Sure, theres better gear out there, but not so much so that it detracts from my purchase.
This question is pointless as very few things are best in class after 6 months. The question is will they be behind in performance. Will the XOOM still do everything Honeycomb can do in 6 months, in a year. I say yes it will. In 6 months to a year though there will probably be at least one tablet with a quad core kal-el tegra 3.
Hopefully that processor brings with it the irrelevant but nice ability to play 1080p high profile video. Between that and adobe hopefully bringing adequate hardware acceleration to flash, our tablets can start doing everything we need.
6 months from now is when nVidia anticipates Tegra 3 in tablets, so no, I don't think the Xoom will make it that long. I think, however, it will remain amongst the best until Tegra 3 launches.
The whole no usb charging thing just puts me off. whatever tablet will charge via usb will get my consideration the most.
Gotta admit, that sucks for me too. But it is what it is. I'll live. Shoulda did what the Nook did. Special USB jack. Allows for high voltage charging.
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The whole no usb charging thing just puts me off. whatever tablet will charge via usb will get my consideration the most.
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I dont Think any tablet will. Sucks but probably True. Unless Computers can output higher Voltage.
You must understand that USB charging is simply not a viable option. It would take FOREVER.
The point of USB charging is not always that it charges, but that you can consume less
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Gotta admit, that sucks for me too. But it is what it is. I'll live. Shoulda did what the Nook did. Special USB jack. Allows for high voltage charging.
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Then people have a charger around the house that could be potentially dangerous to other devices. Even apple recommends not using the ipad charger with anything else.
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DatterBoy said:
Thoughts on the hardware and capabilities vs. the Honeycomb experience.
Wanted to see what you all thought. XOOM is the first out the gate so everyone after has an opportunity to pick it apart and do better. We all know the XOOM is crippled right now but when all is said and done. Hardware wise, do we think the XOOM will be best in class?
No one is psychic, so this is just discussion. Here are my thoughts:
- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now.
- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still
- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features
- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price.
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"- It very well could be. Motorola makes SOLID devices. The issues are mostly software based for now." - Having been an Android user since day 1 of the G1, I can tell you this is par for the course. I cant wait for that first OTA. Android 1.1 was so much better than Android 1.0.
"- Samsung will have best display, possibly best camera quality video and still" - My concerns with Samsung is that they are not very friendly to the aftermarket. My wife has an Epic 4g and I have a Galaxy Tab, they are very cumbersome to mod. I like that the Xoom is a Google Experience device and has an unlocked bootloader.
"- There will be thinner, lighter tablets but with less features" - We cant control whats coming down the pike. There will be better devices but those could be a year away.
"- 3 core things will sway the onlookers to other tabs: more bright/vivid display, USB charging, price." - I agree with display. USB charging maybe. Price is the biggest factor and the main reason I got my Xoom at Costco.
Related
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/
talks about tech crunches report on "serious hardware issues."
here's hoping!
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Dual core?
Now we're talking.
Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!
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Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!
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Chill.
The other thread is locked now.
But on the subject....I could live with this phone.
Make sure its HSPA+ compatable though !
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
mingkee said:
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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looks like you missed the main topic of this thread... there's a new Nexus S in the works with a newer cpu.. supposedly the dual core Orion from samsung. You are still talking about the old specs on the single core CPU. Maybe the change to Orion the radios will change also.
And maybe also the Nexus S will be able to transform into a transmitting device that can place cellular connections with other people that are scattered throughout the United States of America for the provider cost that is paid monthly and also be able to look up various information on the world wide web and display a H on the top of the taskbar which people will still assume is stock on all phones!!!!
I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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as long as its not 10mp of ****... id rather have 5 of quality than 10 of ****...
1080p recording is just obnoxious...
4.3inch screen is just obnoxious... if there is one thing samsung got right it was the 4inch screen
Nexus S - First Samsung Orion Smartphone?
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
By Sindre Lia, Friday 12 November 2010
The Nexus S is destined to become the first Samsung Orion smartphone, as in the first smartphone to make Hummingbird look old.
The Nexus One was a failure at all but one account: It brought new Android features to smartphone influencers and developers early throughout 2010. Having a star in your fleet of this kind is crucial, and nobody knows it better than Google. The days when you got straight answers from Google executives are long gone - they play ball like OS makers play ball now. We all get confused and then surprised. It's PR at its best and it makes smartphone influencers pay even more attention to what you're really up to.
The Nexus S by Samsung and Google will likely be the most powerful smartphone you've ever seen, as it'll likely be powered by the new Samsung Orion application processor. Its specs pretty much speaks for itself, and we guess the Nexus S will instantly be regarded as the new Android smartphone to be had amongst smartphone influencers and developers looking to get an early taste of new Android features throughout 2011 - and a lot should go wrong if they don't like it. Check out what the processor brings to the table here:
Designed using Samsung's 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung's new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080p full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
The Orion processor will let customers use different types of storage, including NAND flash, moviNAND, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a GPS receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services.
A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
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http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Damn that sounds awesome. SetCPU better get working on a dual CPU version
SO NICE DESIGN !
plastic....but, lighter, never get "over-hit",safer from falls....
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http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Meh.
It isnt too exciting really. The things I want are a better physical design, improved build quality, vastly better battery life, at least iPhone 4 camera quality, proper multitouch, wireless inductive charging, 5ghz N wifi, HSPA+, higher resolution screen etc
Having a dual core processor doesnt do a thing for those issues (except the higher res screen, and even there a dual 1ghz processor is way overkill).
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
Oh and whoever said the N1 is not good at gaming, might be right BUT i was highly impressed by quake3demo on the nexus one the other night, and really: im not much of a gamer (on my phones).
I play psx emu on there all the time. Its sweet!
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ROM_Guest said:
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Granted.
I would still wait, personally, for a nexus phone with the same form factor as this one. Too slim!
If it is really an orion cpu and can work on the same tzones/web2go plan then i would switch and give up the superior design of the nexus.
If it is licensed thru tmo, you will likely need a full data plan...
Afaik only the dev phones can pull this off as tmo has no record of the imei
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I know I am.
We can debate about it till the end of time and end of day, it's just preference. I dislike the Apple arrogance, but they make a kick ass piece of hardware. To do what it can do on lesser hardware specs (CPU) is an amazing accomplishment. Once you get into an app on either platform, it's pretty much the same thing.
However, I am in the Android ecosystem and I dig it. I am a tinkerer, so it's definitely for me since I love the customization. But I am also a cheap bastard, and price could win this war for me.
The XOOM is expensive, even with the 25% coupon.
Here's where I jump ship to iPad vs. XOOM (which I do have on order and is shipping)
- Lower iPad entry price. 400 - 450 for a 16gb iPad2 is killer. However, it would have to be closer to 400. At 450, it's 150 away from full flash, higher resolution, more capacity and expandability... etc etc...
- Higher resolution screen. This is huge. I want to be able to paint with sketchbook and already believe 4:3 is better than 16:10 for this, but even a 16:10 1280 x 800 is already better than iPad 1's 1024 x 768. A higher res screen would likely be 1280 x 1024.
If they get both of these, price and screen, I am not leaving Android, but I will leave the XOOM behind. And not just as an in comparison vs. iPad stance, but lets look at 2011. Almost every Android pad coming out has similar to same specs as XOOM. We all knew we were paying the premium for first adopter syndrome, but at some point, I need to be smart about all this.
Thoughts?
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I know I am.
We can debate about it till the end of time and end of day, it's just preference. I dislike the Apple arrogance, but they make a kick ass piece of hardware. To do what it can do on lesser hardware specs (CPU) is an amazing accomplishment. Once you get into an app on either platform, it's pretty much the same thing.
However, I am in the Android ecosystem and I dig it. I am a tinkerer, so it's definitely for me since I love the customization. But I am also a cheap bastard, and price could win this war for me.
The XOOM is expensive, even with the 25% coupon.
Here's where I jump ship to iPad vs. XOOM (which I do have on order and is shipping)
- Lower iPad entry price. 400 - 450 for a 16gb iPad2 is killer. However, it would have to be closer to 400. At 450, it's 150 away from full flash, higher resolution, more capacity and expandability... etc etc...
- Higher resolution screen. This is huge. I want to be able to paint with sketchbook and already believe 4:3 is better than 16:10 for this, but even a 16:10 1280 x 800 is already better than iPad 1's 1024 x 768. A higher res screen would likely be 1280 x 1024.
If they get both of these, price and screen, I am not leaving Android, but I will leave the XOOM behind. And not just as an in comparison vs. iPad stance, but lets look at 2011. Almost every Android pad coming out has similar to same specs as XOOM. We all knew we were paying the premium for first adopter syndrome, but at some point, I need to be smart about all this.
Thoughts?
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Sources in the media say the higher res screen is not going to happen because it would cause more power drain. They are going to make a thinner screen, though, allowing the device to be thinner.
I can never get an iPad because iOS is pathetic for a tablet OS. Not near enough functionality for my tastes. It's just an app delivery system.
Unfortunately, this leaves me still waiting for a tablet that fits my needs (Toshiba? LG?). My Xoom is going back, I'm too bothered by the power button and speaker placement, especially considering the price.
They aren't going to lower the price and they aren't bumping the screen specs up. So your decision is already made. Apple hits the same price point every year, they aren't going to lower it when they are already below all relevant competition. They have already confirmed that the screen is the same resolution as well.
What will change I think is that Apple will be running a dual core TI OMAP4430 processor with the Imagination Technologies Powervr SGX540 clocked at 300mhz. The reason I think this is what they will use is that Apple owns a significant stake in Imaginations Technology, they might even outright own it at this point, and they have used their technology in past iphones and ipads.
If they do use this SoC, then the iPad will have SIGNIFICANTLY higher graphics processing power than the Xoom and other Tegra 2 tablets. Also, Apple won't support it, but it would be capable of playing back 1080p high profile content flawlessly. Maybe once its jailbroken and XBMC is installed . . . . .
I'm not really on the fence, as I will get a Xoom eventually. But I do think that the pricing of the Xoom is ridiculous, and I do think that this will change once the iPad 2 is announced.
Motorola justified the premium price by saying it has many features that the iPad doesn't have. This is stupid. First, 4G and Flash are not available on it, yet. Second, the product that the Xoom should really be compared to is the iPad 2, not the original iPad. Flash can certainly be ruled out for the iPad 2, given Steve Jobs' stance on it. But how come Motorola is so certain that iPad 2 won't get 4G support? And front+rear cameras support, and faster CPU, are unlikely to be missing on the iPad 2.
I do think that Motorola will change the pricing on the Xoom once the iPad 2 is out there. This is probably why they don't say anything about the price of the wifi-only version yet (except informally said to be around $600, not saying anything about the capacity). The official price of the current 3G+wifi model probably won't change, but I'm sure they will do some coupon or mail-in rebate to effectively lower its price, and then introduce a range of lower capacity and wifi-only model to try to match iPad's pricing.
Apple probably will lower the prices with the new iPad. They typically cut the price of the same capacity model (due to flash memory price dropping like crazy all the time?) when they introduce a new generation of products every year (see iPod Touch). I highly doubt they can do much lower than $499 for the cheapest model though, because honestly that's already shockingly cheap when it was introduced last year. My guess is the starting price will still be around $499, maybe $450 but not any lower. Maybe they will retain the current generation 16GB iPad and slash its price, just like what they did with the iPhone 3GS. But the prices of the newer higher capacity models should be lower than what they are now.
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I'm not really on the fence, as I will get a Xoom eventually. But I do think that the pricing of the Xoom is ridiculous, and I do think that this will change once the iPad 2 is announced.
Motorola justified the premium price by saying it has many features that the iPad doesn't have. This is stupid. First, 4G and Flash are not available on it, yet. Second, the product that the Xoom should really be compared to is the iPad 2, not the original iPad. Flash can certainly be ruled out for the iPad 2, given Steve Jobs' stance on it. But how come Motorola is so certain that iPad 2 won't get 4G support? And front+rear cameras support, and faster CPU, are unlikely to be missing on the iPad 2.
I do think that Motorola will change the pricing on the Xoom once the iPad 2 is out there. This is probably why they don't say anything about the price of the wifi-only version yet (except informally said to be around $600, not saying anything about the capacity). The official price of the current 3G+wifi model probably won't change, but I'm sure they will do some coupon or mail-in rebate to effectively lower its price, and then introduce a range of lower capacity and wifi-only model to try to match iPad's pricing.
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I don't think flash can be ruled out. They could easily just say that it wasn't ready to run as smooth as they require, but now with the new hardware it does. They have reversed themselves on dozens of things as vehemently rejected as Flash in the past. That would be a major coup against Android too.
There is no on the fence for me, Honeycomb compared to the sorry excuse for a tablet OS they call iOS is a no brainer.
DatterBoy said:
I know I am.
We can debate about it till the end of time and end of day, it's just preference. I dislike the Apple arrogance, but they make a kick ass piece of hardware. To do what it can do on lesser hardware specs (CPU) is an amazing accomplishment. Once you get into an app on either platform, it's pretty much the same thing.
However, I am in the Android ecosystem and I dig it. I am a tinkerer, so it's definitely for me since I love the customization. But I am also a cheap bastard, and price could win this war for me.
The XOOM is expensive, even with the 25% coupon.
Here's where I jump ship to iPad vs. XOOM (which I do have on order and is shipping)
- Lower iPad entry price. 400 - 450 for a 16gb iPad2 is killer. However, it would have to be closer to 400. At 450, it's 150 away from full flash, higher resolution, more capacity and expandability... etc etc...
- Higher resolution screen. This is huge. I want to be able to paint with sketchbook and already believe 4:3 is better than 16:10 for this, but even a 16:10 1280 x 800 is already better than iPad 1's 1024 x 768. A higher res screen would likely be 1280 x 1024.
If they get both of these, price and screen, I am not leaving Android, but I will leave the XOOM behind. And not just as an in comparison vs. iPad stance, but lets look at 2011. Almost every Android pad coming out has similar to same specs as XOOM. We all knew we were paying the premium for first adopter syndrome, but at some point, I need to be smart about all this.
Thoughts?
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Not a big deal, the 32gb 3g I pad currently costs $729, the new I pad will be the same or more, I could careless about $70, also the xoom with no flash sucks balls, to be stuck with an iPad that will never get flash would be a travesty. Please hurry up adobe
I am on the fence. What I really need is a good tablet that will replace my notes at work as well as be a nice toy for my 2.5 year old to play with and learn on. We won't know everything until tomorrow, but I love how Android is an actual OS whereas iOS is an app launcher. The thing to realize, Apple is also going to show some stuff coming out in iOS5. Nobody knows what is in the new OS. For all we know, they completely revamped it to be more like a desktop experience. If this is the case, I think I am going to have to go with IPad. If this is not the case, I will probably stick with Android, maybe not the Xoom but the Samsung 10.1 or another one. The only part that I am wary about are the amount of apps. I know that android will be getting more apps as time goes by, but IPad already has those apps. Therefore there is no waiting at all for them. Ahh, it's going to be such a hard decision to make when it comes down to it.
Disclaimer: I have never owned a single piece of Apple hardware/software before. The only android hardware/software that I have used is my HTC Hero CDMA.
I am waiting the next Samsung 8.9" tablet that will be announced on March 22
Hoping it doesn't use Tegra 2, has nicer screen like super amoled and 64 gb model.
I might jump into iPad 2 if iOS5 is not just a launcher.
Xoom is nice, but too expensive for current state (dislike Tegra 2 performance, hate the screen, hate the power button).
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I'm not seriously on the fence about an iPad2...not a big apple fan, but I may still return my Xoom and wait a few weeks given that the iPad2 can change pricing and speed up some of the missing features (ie flash).
I don't own (or ever have owned) an current generation Apple product. I did own a original Macintosh and Apple II GS. I do like their hardware though.
As an aside, I always thought Apple should start using other apple names besides macintosh. The iphone could've been the fiji and the ipad the granny smith.
I am also on the fence - and I am coming from the GTablet. Dont get me wrong the Tegra 2 is an awesome platform and have become very comfortable with the source strucutre (Froyo), etc. etc. BUT I hated the screen. I just could not get past how bad the screen was on the GTablet. This now brings me to a point where I am tablet-less. Since the iPAD 2 announcement is tomorrow I am definitely on the fence. Other than an iPOD I don't own any Apple equipment. Having a strong linux/java development background so I do gravitate towards the Google platform BUT as I see it for what I want it to do (Browsing, Playing Games, Email, Media, E-Reading, etc.) the IPAD 2 is just as good (if not better possibly). With the GTablet I LOVED the tinkering with the kernel, loading up different ROMs, creating FrankinROMs, the little development I did, etc. but honestly I have enough tech playing in my life/profession soo.. the net net is I just need something that works, has great support and most importantly a great screen.
NOW.... If Motorola was smarter the WIFI would be out by now; someone like me would have pulled the trigger already especially due to the fact the 3G version is utterly crazily priced!... Unfortunately for them I have now reserved my self to be on the fence... Stupid stupid Motorola... I suspect everyone who is on the fence is/was in the same position! Listen Motorla - you probably just lost many customers to the (right now) king of Tablets... I would love to know the strategy of these manufacturers... Apple was smart to wait till after ALL the tablet announcements... its like seeing a boxer throw punch after punch barely connecting, tiring out the opponent... By the time the IPAD 2 hits the shelves - Android 3.0 will be a whisper in the wind - unfortunately due to the fact XOOM hasnt had the glaring reviews we all suspected and all others delayed till end of April or beyond. I suspect Apple will announce the IPAD 2 will be released 1st week of April - killing a huge market share of potential Google purchasers (like me?). If I were Apple this is what I would do.
Anyway... fun to discuss, speculate, etc.
Count me in as being on the fence. I was really hyped on Xoom coming out but the price and lack of options has completely killed my desire for one.
The biggest complaint I have is the fact that there is no WiFi version available at this time. I really dont need another data contract, and with having a Evo I can thether for free and dont need an overpriced CDMA radio. Having played with a Xoom, I think its great device and would really like one, but it loses out to the iPad in the following:
1) No WiFi $500-600 version
2) No Apps. I know there will be apps, but if I pay $800 for a device, I expect strong app support.
3) Fully thought out & functional product. Xoom seems rushed with no flash, no SD memory card, and crappy video support. I dont mind that these things will be updated in the future, but at a $800 price point its utterly retarded that its not fully functional.
I think the biggest mistake Motorola made is not offering a WiFi only version and releasing sooo close to the iPad 2 launch.
I will likely buy a iPad 2, since it will be announced tomorrow, WiFi version will be available soon and has the better apps. Although iOS sucks balls, I would rather have a cheaper tablet that is comparable.
No Brainer
i have never connected this to my computer and have already 20 albums, 3 movies and all my contacts, calendar, bookmarks.
oh i also have :
my jobs wifi with password
my house wifi with password
and all my friends wifi with passwords....i didnt do anything besides sign in my google account.
4g connections...micro sd...flash..soon enough (complain all you want about that..early adopters are a rare breed)
heavy dev help on the way....massive google overhauls as well
you do the math...
if your cheap i can see the complaining. otherwise, nah bro
also forgot
apple Ram is being up'ed to only 512mb.
and they arent using a Micro sd card
and they arent using a hdmi port
and they arent using a micro usb cord
but its apple so it doesnt matter, right?
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There is no on the fence for me, Honeycomb compared to the sorry excuse for a tablet OS they call iOS is a no brainer.
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+1
The few people I spoke to about this said they were waiting for an iPad 2 because they like the sleek UI - can't fault iPad/Phone/Pod for the simple, easy to use, non-breakable UI - but I'd feel trapped and even jailbroken - a broken man...
Xoom caught my eye in the end (was contemplating something like the HTC Flyer but think its too small for a home-wifi-only-tab) and I'm waiting for the £450 wifi version to hit the pre-order so I can pre-order!
Dude... I think your in the wrong thread... This is the iPAD2 on the fence thread... Not sure what your saying (my Chrome Translation feature is not working) but its not coming across.. you may need to resend the message or your in the wrong thread...
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i have never connected this to my computer and have already 20 albums, 3 movies and all my contacts, calendar, bookmarks.
oh i also have :
my jobs wifi with password
my house wifi with password
and all my friends wifi with passwords....i didnt do anything besides sign in my google account.
4g connections...micro sd...flash..soon enough (complain all you want about that..early adopters are a rare breed)
heavy dev help on the way....massive google overhauls as well
you do the math...
if your cheap i can see the complaining. otherwise, nah bro
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Lets not all forget about the horrible iTunes that is basically required to sync the iPad. Hrm. I've gone so long without ever needing to install that hunk of junk. That might be the main reason I pick Xoom at the end of the day.
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Count me in as being on the fence. I was really hyped on Xoom coming out but the price and lack of options has completely killed my desire for one.
The biggest complaint I have is the fact that there is no WiFi version available at this time. I really dont need another data contract, and with having a Evo I can thether for free and dont need an overpriced CDMA radio. Having played with a Xoom, I think its great device and would really like one, but it loses out to the iPad in the following:
1) No WiFi $500-600 version
2) No Apps. I know there will be apps, but if I pay $800 for a device, I expect strong app support.
3) Fully thought out & functional product. Xoom seems rushed with no flash, no SD memory card, and crappy video support. I dont mind that these things will be updated in the future, but at a $800 price point its utterly retarded that its not fully functional.
I think the biggest mistake Motorola made is not offering a WiFi only version and releasing sooo close to the iPad 2 launch.
I will likely buy a iPad 2, since it will be announced tomorrow, WiFi version will be available soon and has the better apps. Although iOS sucks balls, I would rather have a cheaper tablet that is comparable.
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I'm a little confused, iPad will never have flash or SD support. The fact you have to wait a couple of weeks for flash means they should've delayed the project, your trippin. 1080p video when iPad doesn't have it isn't much of a comparison. When watching comcast on demand on my xoom everything looks a million times better then with my iPad. Everyoe is different and has different needs, but your points are mute except for price
First of all, a disclaimer, I own both ;-) I am a self proclaimed hardware whore. I currently use a nexus one but have owned 2 iphones in the past. I have a macbook pro as well as a dell xps, oh and I (or my kids) have an iPad.
Plain and simple, no one can knock apple for shaking up an industry. What they originally did for the phone scene and the eventual tablet scene was a well needed shot in the arm and they deserve the success they have received.
However, on a day to day basis do I use the iPad or iPhone? No. Why? Because while they do the basics very well they are certainly not flexible. Try to do something that Apple doesn't approve of and you'll quickly realize what I mean. While Jailbreaking is cool n' all that, I still prefer my functionality to be sanctioned by the manufacturer rather than hacked in.
As for the iPad2, my biggest complaint about the original iPad (and why my kids now exclusively use it) is browsing. Their browser is horribly slow, scrolling a page and waiting while the checkered pattern cleared up annoyed the crap out of me. And sure, flash sucks but it is a standard - and shame on you Apple for not embracing standards.
So, I genuinely don't care what the iPad2 has over the first generation if they don't fix the browser.
.... although I truly, truly miss Netflix
^^^^^^Amen!
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Last paragraph is the best:
"As to the utility of tablets in general, I found more and more uses for my iPad during the past year and have come to realize its value and versatility as a computing device. Having said that, it has only taken me two weeks to all but discarded it in favor of what I consider as the “Grown Up” new tablet for business: the Xoom."
http://blogs.forbes.com/marcwebertobias/2011/03/15/apple-addicts-aside-xoom-is-better-than-ipad/
Good find. I bet Steve Jobs would take issue with his conclusions.
It was very well written, I myself still think honeycomb has a way to go.
Thread title is paraphrased...
If you read Anandtech's review of the Xoom you will notice that he chooses the Xoom over the iPad simply because it's much better at multi-tasking and feels that the Honeycomb OS is actually better than the iOS in most things. Having a faster GPU doesn't mean much if the OS feels outdated and lacking unless you're into tablet gaming.
IMO, Google has always come to market with a product that isn't finished but has loads of potential while Apple comes in with the finished product and very minor updates down the road. The Xoom/Honeycomb OS is no different than Google Search, Gmail, Maps, Android, etc - it's another platform that isn't complete at launch, but clearly capable of growing into the most versatile option on the market.
Tobias has it right here. It's just a matter of time before the market realizes what Google is offering.
Apple doesn't always come to market with the so called finished product. Very simple examples of this are when the ipad launched it did not have multitasking. Copy and paste, folders for IOS.
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Stop hating on the iPad DAM. The Xoom IS not better and vice versa. They both are incredible devices and like windows /mac is all choice! iPad 2 with its specific refined OS can run better than an OS made for everytype of hardware. So, with that said you will ALWAYS see better specs from PC'S and such. But Apple user experience is amazing. Honeycomb is beautiful but will be mass produced and hard foe the average consumer to differentiate.
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Nobody in this thread is hating on the ipad.
Why don't you go and respond to your thread about returning and switching for video playback?
Or just keep trolling.
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Nobody in this thread is hating on the ipad.
Why don't you go and respond to your thread about returning and switching for video playback?
Or just keep trolling.
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x2. this article just makes him regret his decision to return it LOL.
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Apple doesn't always come to market with the so called finished product. Very simple examples of this are when the ipad launched it did not have multitasking. Copy and paste, folders for IOS.
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Even though it was lacking some features, that doesn't mean that it wasn't finished. Apple regularly releases finished products that lack features for the reason of ease of use, etc.. There is a difference between unfinished and lacking features on purpose. Apple would rather release without features than tack them on without the individual features being implemented correctly.
Lack of features for ease of use is rubbish.
The ipad was unfinished when it launched to me period. An essential part of it was missing. If I recall correctly the ipad was the last device to get updated to support multitasking.
I am not hating or even making a argument against apple. Just saying they should not be put up some pedestal.
When they released iOS 4 it basically rendered the 3g useless. On a joking note their phones still screw up time changes.
Anyways I really don't want to talk about apple. Or participate in any this vs that crap. Just don't want to hear this apple can do no wrong type of fanboy crap.
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Lack of features for ease of use is rubbish.
The ipad was unfinished when it launched to me period. An essential part of it was missing. If I recall correctly the ipad was the last device to get updated to support multitasking.
I am not hating or even making a argument against apple. Just saying they should not be put up some pedestal.
When they released iOS 4 it basically rendered the 3g useless. On a joking note their phones still screw up time changes.
Anyways I really don't want to talk about apple. Or participate in any this vs that crap. Just don't want to hear this apple can do no wrong type of fanboy crap.
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Sorry no it really isn't rubbish. The iPad 1 was plenty useful and extremely user friendly, even without multitasking. The same can be said for any iPhone up to the 3GS before the software update. Think whatever you want, but Apple waited until they could do a seamless user experience with what they called multitasking, whether it is true multitasking or not. When they rolled out iOS 4 and multitasking for the iPad, it only added to the usability of the device.
Stop being so negative and just get real with the device's strongpoints. I'm not of the mentality that "Apple can do no wrong", but I at least give credit when credit is due. Whether you like their product launch strategy or not, they've done very well with it and I don't see that changing any time soon.
I went back to read his part 1 of the article. And I had a big pause after reading a 2nd paragraph.
Before the iPad or the new iPad2, manufacturers attempts at a tablet PC were a dismal failure. The original tablets were too heavy, too slow, the displays were hard to read in portrait mode, and they had poor battery life.
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Too slow? Wow, does he even know what he is talking about? Unless he is talking about very very early tablets that run on pre-core CPU system, then I cannot believe he is saying Core 2 Duo is slower than A5 or Tegra 2. I mean, I got like a 3 years Fujitsu T4215 a 12" SXGA+ convertible tablet running Windows 7 running on a Core 2 Duo T7200 w/ 4GB or RAM. And yes, it boot into Windows slower than those two tablet booting iOS or Honeycomb. But as a business tool, I can use it as part of my workflow for RAW conversion. It still take hours on this unit, but if I had to do it on iPad2 or Xoom it probably take days if not weeks to finish RAW conversion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the article probably good, didn't read that far yet. But I still couldn't believe he call those system slow, especially if compared to something like core i5 or i7 that was release in 2008-2009.
I haven't posted since I got it, so just a short note of my thoughts. Since this is a related thread, I'll put this here. First off, I'm an Android guy, I want an Android tablet. I wanted the Xoom but...
The biggest number one thing that sold me on the iPad 2 over the Xoom was the screen. I thought the screen was the Xoom's advantage with the better aspect ratio and higher pixel count, but the Xoom's screen seriously under performs. The thing I wanted a tablet for was casual web browsing, maybe reading some books, and some web browsing. The Xoom's screen has a very poor viewing angle and just didn't look as good as the iPad's. Being that I want it for nothing more than media and web browsing, the iPad works out for me. I would rather have Android, but I also don't know if Honeycomb is so great right now. To me this is the first big step for Android tablets. They can compete now, but I think we need to see a better overall package and a software update before Android tablets take a step ahead, especially at a higher price point.
I think the performance is comparable enough to make that a non-factor in purchasing. Both are very nice packages with dual core CPUs and nice GPUs. The software, like I said, I'd rather have Android, but I don't necessarily know if I'd rather have 3.0, though I'm sure a few updates and community support and it will work just fine.
I mean no disrespect for the Xoom, I'm a completely unbiased tech guy, I use what works best at the time, not what company I love more. If anyone wants to get mad at me for picking an iPad over the Xoom, I'm sorry. I just wanted to post my impressions of both since I hadn't posted since I had hands on with both.
Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out, I'll buy it the day it comes out. I think the issue is that I'm spoiled with my SAMOLED on my Captivate, so the iPad is already a step down in a way.
I liked the Xoom though. I just want to give Android a little time to mature on tablets. It's definitely an iPad competitor, but I think Android can offer more and blow the iPad away by this time next year.
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I went back to read his part 1 of the article. And I had a big pause after reading a 2nd paragraph.
Too slow? Wow, does he even know what he is talking about? Unless he is talking about very very early tablets that run on pre-core CPU system, then I cannot believe he is saying Core 2 Duo is slower than A5 or Tegra 2. I mean, I got like a 3 years Fujitsu T4215 a 12" SXGA+ convertible tablet running Windows 7 running on a Core 2 Duo T7200 w/ 4GB or RAM. And yes, it boot into Windows slower than those two tablet booting iOS or Honeycomb. But as a business tool, I can use it as part of my workflow for RAW conversion. It still take hours on this unit, but if I had to do it on iPad2 or Xoom it probably take days if not weeks to finish RAW conversion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the article probably good, didn't read that far yet. But I still couldn't believe he call those system slow, especially if compared to something like core i5 or i7 that was release in 2008-2009.
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I hardly think he's talking about convertible laptop/tablets as tablets. Other than the fact that you can make it be a touch screen on the top of the device, they hardly compare. You're talking about an entire PC. The only thing I can't think of is what else was available that you could consider a tablet back then, because that was pretty much it. The smaller thin tablets we have today aren't really even the same class of device as the old convertible tablets of previous years. I'm not sure what he's comparing to.
Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out,
I can guarantee you this will never happen, atleast not anytime soon.
Eclair~ said:
Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out,
I can guarantee you this will never happen, atleast not anytime soon.
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You can't guarantee anything unless you are the CEO of Samsung. It's already been rumored since last year and they've built concept devices. As time goes and production costs go down, it's only natural that we'd see Samsung put some type of SAMOLED screen in the tablets. I wouldn't be surprised if the next refresh of the Galaxy Tab line is SAMOLED. We're talking a year or so probably, but that's fine, I don't need to be in the market for a tablet now for another year or two.
AJerman said:
The biggest number one thing that sold me on the iPad 2 over the Xoom was the screen. I thought the screen was the Xoom's advantage with the better aspect ratio and higher pixel count, but the Xoom's screen seriously under performs.
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I agree but if you don't have the direct comparison every day you get used to the Xoom's inferior screen. Unfortunately in this ever-evolving tech world it is virtually impossible to get "the Perfect Product". Apple's products have the unique benefit of having everything originating from the same source: Apple. No guessing what hardware needs to be supported so the software is tailored to every hardware detail. For almost every other OS out there the software manufacturers can only have minimal and recommended specs but at the end everything needs to be pieced together. It's almost as if you compare a hand-made, tailored suit from a designer to something you buy at Men's warehouse.
I personally do not see myself moving away from the Xoom anytime soon. Not sure if a Samsung screen is worth switching. I am past the time of my life when I always have to have the top-of-the-line gadget
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I agree but if you don't have the direct comparison every day you get used to the Xoom's inferior screen. Unfortunately in this ever-evolving tech world it is virtually impossible to get "the Perfect Product". Apple's products have the unique benefit of having everything originating from the same source: Apple. No guessing what hardware needs to be supported so the software is tailored to every hardware detail. For almost every other OS out there the software manufacturers can only have minimal and recommended specs but at the end everything needs to be pieced together. It's almost as if you compare a hand-made, tailored suit from a designer to something you buy at Men's warehouse.
I personally do not see myself moving away from the Xoom anytime soon. Not sure if a Samsung screen is worth switching. I am past the time of my life when I always have to have the top-of-the-line gadget
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Yeah, I thought about that too, I just think my SGS and perhaps my SGS 2 soon with an SAMOLED+ would make me sad to look at my Xoom every day, haha. You're right about it being impossible to have the perfect product. The cost of production would be too hard to recoup from regular consumers that don't care as much about top of the line. I hate to make it sound so nit picky to decide on a tablet for it's screen, but I have a limited use for a tablet, and with media and book reading, a screen is one of the most important features.
I need to stop reading the Xoom forum though before I end up with a Xoom and the iPad. I am jealous because I don't have Android, haha.
Interesting article. Author got flamed pretty bad in the comments though.
Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.
neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.
Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.
Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.
I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.
I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
Is this where we post "Cool story bro"?
Just remove the lock option if its peeing you off,
i don't have it set on mine so its instant off,
also use another launcher or if you like the stock launch then just have it set with the single home screen,
i currently use the TW launcher with 1 home screen and 2 widgets no problems,
have come close to buying another tablet but there isn't one that feels as good a the 7.7...
I still cannot believe that the nexus tablet is going to be sold as cheap as it is rumored to be atm.
Anyways, let's say it really is: Then it would actually be a good idea to get rid of the unsupported tab 7.7 in time, as you could easily buy two nexus tabs for the money the 7.7 is valued right now.
I think there has to be a hook somewhere.
billytkid said:
Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
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it is a really good idea i have a same feeling too
I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
As others have mentioned, swap out the stock launcher & browser, use NoLock, etc. I have tweaked around almost all the deficiencies of the 7.7 and have 99% of what I want in my perfect tablet. The only troublesome issues are this random looping reboot problem that we're discussing in the other thread I haven't been able to make headway with and also that i wish i could enable bluetooth phone profile on the Verizon version.
Maybe when more details are announced for Nexus Tab that make it more awesome, and if the damn random reboot problem on my VZ 7.7 keeps happening.
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I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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100% agreed
There will be compromise, Mostly screen Nothing beats Amoled!!, no gsm 3g, maybe tiny battery , bigger chunkyer, not magnesium crappyer build quality. The reason the cpu will be good is because it will be mass manufactured, and thats why the price will be so affordable. I think.
I was reading a report online last week that spoke of them going into mass production with some CPU manufacturer, lets see as I have my good days and bad day with the galaxy tab 7.7....
Do wish they would kick the ICS out for this baby and we could see if worth keeping or not, but yes I totally agree with most people on this and Samsung has dropped the ball on this and will be my last Samsung product
I also agree with OP's point to an extent. I actually went from an original Galaxy Tablet, to the 7 Plus, and hate that Samsung does this to their customers. They got our money and forgot about after purchase support. If the 7.7 wasn't such a great device I wouldn't have went with another Samsung.
The next best device I would consider for myself would be the Toshiba Thrive 7.7 - also a SAMOLED+ screen, Tegra 3, skinnier than 7.7 but Wifi only and i really enjoy the battery life and built in LTE from the tablet w/ my 7.7.
be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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to hit the price point, those things are well worth the sacrifice.
unless your tablet is your sole device, most people will have a phone which can do all those other things. the tablet was meant to be a secondary device you can use which is inbetween completely portable (phone) and non-portable (desktop).
Humm, no 3g that sux. I use 3g for data.
WiFi at home 3g when I am not, thats a deal braker for me.
I don't have the 7.7 but having played with it in store, I can't imagine Google matching it in quality for the price point they want. That'd be a pretty incredible feat.
Given that I think it'd be a hasty mistake to sell. It sucks for ICS to still not be there but it'll come - and chances are good you'll have a better tab than Google's then.
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Got £340 in the end for the tab and have just spent £200 on the g7,sold just in time me thinks.
Feels like I got there just in time.
If 7.7 had Samsung support I wouldn't have swapped
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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adinis78 said:
The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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Yep though Tegra3 is superior CPU, I think once ICS drops, aside from Tegrazone games we won't notice any real life difference. The CPU @ 1.4 in our 7.7 is more than fast enough. Heck even my 1Ghz Tegra2 sony tablet s flies with ICS
The killer battery life and 3G is whats making me keep this instead of flogging and buying a Nexus 7 (at a profit too lol)
I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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Just wait for ICS, with hopefull improvements it will blow the nexus tan out the water even if it has "better software"
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