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It's been awhile since I haven't been on pure AOSP. I can't remember if Touchwiz can be uninstalled on a rooted phone or just like an app or is it hard coded in the OS.
Lag on such a powerful phone should be embarrassing to Samsung!
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Catchpen said:
It's been awhile since I haven't been on pure AOSP. I can't remember if Touchwiz can be uninstalled on a rooted phone or just like an app or is it hard coded in the OS.
Lag on such a powerful phone should be embarrassing to Samsung!
Thanks.
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It's not an app. It's built into various parts of the OS as far as I know. I have no lag though so I'm always surprised when people mention lag. Actually, to clarify I have seen some lag since I started doing some tweaks and mods posted on here but they usually clear up after a few reboots. OS seems pretty self-optimizing to me. But again, I always say this, lag depends on what phone/OS you are coming from. Someone coming from AOSP will probably notice lag where as someone like me coming from a stock S3 finds this much faster.
Catchpen said:
It's been awhile since I haven't been on pure AOSP. I can't remember if Touchwiz can be uninstalled on a rooted phone or just like an app or is it hard coded in the OS.
Lag on such a powerful phone should be embarrassing to Samsung!
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Depends on what you mean by TouchWiz. If you mean just the launcher, it can be frozen/disabled or removed. But the hooks of the TW framework go deep because a lot of the features in the ROM depend on it. TW can be tweaked, and various unused RAM wasting TW related services can be frozen/disabled. On my previous S2 and S3, I ran custom tweaked TW ROMs with Nova or Apex launchers that were as smooth or smoother than AOSP/AOKP ROMs. Once the bootloader gets unlocked on the AT&T S4 and the devs get to do their stuff then things will get better. Who knows, the lag could just be the result of a kernel governor that needs a little tweaking. These days, running AOSP will make you lose a lot of the features that the manufacturers are putting into their phones. Of course whether or not someone would consider all of these new features useful or gimmicky is another story entirely.
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It's not an app. It's built into various parts of the OS as far as I know. I have no lag though so I'm always surprised when people mention lag. Actually, to clarify I have seen some lag since I started doing some tweaks and mods posted on here but they usually clear up after a few reboots. OS seems pretty self-optimizing to me. But again, I always say this, lag depends on what phone/OS you are coming from. Someone coming from AOSP will probably notice lag where as someone like me coming from a stock S3 finds this much faster.
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Thanks, Yeah it's nothing substantial but noticeable to me. Just scrolling from page to page on the home screen it's just a little jerky, poweramp has skipped a few times, stuff like that. hopefully a root and de-bloat will help.
Over 1 gig of ram is comsumed just with the phone idle and no open apps. I know Android will manage memory well when needed but shesh.
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Have you turned off all animations in developer settings? My phone didn't lag, but doing that made it even faster.
TW is so integrated into the ROM you really wouldn't want to uninstall it. Stuff just wouldn't work.
Just be patient and wait for our awesome devs to put together a custom ROM for this wicked cool phone.
Hey guys,
I installed 4.3 (stock) on my nexus and hoped that it would improve the performance but was not good at all. Then I tried paranoid Android and it still lags so bad. Do you experience the same?
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Nope
What do you mean about bad performance? Do you have any quantitative data or just a qualitative?
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I mean that it there are a lot of lags and sometimes the tablet doesn't respond at all...... I barely have installed any apps and I only have a few pictures on it
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I mean that it there are a lot of lags and sometimes the tablet doesn't respond at all...... I barely have installed any apps and I only have a few pictures on it
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Then it won't be a hassle to factory reset it. I just did mine, and it's flying again, before it was laggy as hell.
Apps you remove leave stuff behind, eventually it gets cluttered, what can you do.
How many do you get in Quadrant benchmark?
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gsindl00 said:
Hey guys,
I installed 4.3 (stock) on my nexus and hoped that it would improve the performance but was not good at all. Then I tried paranoid Android and it still lags so bad. Do you experience the same?
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Hi, gsindl00...
Jellybean 4.3 build JWR66Y (stock rooted) is running great on my Nexus 7... no lag at all.
A question... how much free space do you have left on the internal storage of your Nexus 7?
I ask because a recent experience of mine occurred that may have some bearing on your problem.
I have a 16 Gb WiFi only 'grouper' Nexus 7... but only 13.24 Gb is available to the the user.
Now, at frequent intervals I make Nandroid backups using TWRP. These backups take up significant space, routinely clocking in at around 2.5 Gb's. Due to their size, and for this reason, I only ever keep two backups on my Nexus 7 at any one time - an 'untouched, unmodified and unrooted' backup of factory stock, should I wish to quickly (for whatever reason) restore back to pure factory (without having to pull out my laptop and resort to fastboot)... this backup clocks in at around 600 Mb. This backup never gets deleted, and remains constantly on my Nexus 7.
The second Nandroid backup is a backup of my current setup, and frequently gets deleted and made anew, roughly once a month.
Several days ago, I created a new Nandroid, BUT FORGOT TO DELETE MY OLD ONE. As I have already mentioned, these backups are quite large, and with everything else on my Nexus 7 (pics, movie clips and music), this pushed my available user space down to 1.27 Gb.
This very low available user space had a significantly deleterious effect on the performance of my Nexus 7.
After booting the device, the white-on-black Google screen would appear (as normal), after which, the pulsing luminescent 'X' boot animation would then seemingly take forever to appear, and then hesitantly (as though the device was struggling to boot).
Anyway, it did boot and upon success, my widgets (I have several), would all have to reload again, which took a good half minute or so. Normally, they just appear on the Nova launcher desktop instantly. Several reboots later, and the lag and slow boot persisted, as well as the slow loading of widgets.
This peculiar behavior went on for several days... I couldn't understand it!
I was on the verge of restoring back to stock, when I remembered the undeleted Nandroid backup.
So, booting into TWRP, I deleted the old Nandroid backup, and for good measure, I wiped Cache and Dalvik cache.
Upon reboot, I discovered I had a more healthy 4.9Gb of user space available, and the lag was gone.
Anyway, my point is this (and it really has nothing to with Nandroids or TWRP)... make sure you have at least 4Gb of free space on your device. Delete stuff you don't need (or backup to your PC), and occasionally use a cache cleaner like Clean Master.
Also, if you have TWRP installed, clearing out Cache and Dalvik Cache sometimes helps.
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Since Jellybean 4.3, fstrim/discard has been fully implemented (it was always there in 4.2.2, but it wasn't enabled). Under 4.3, fstrim/discard now runs regularly, but only under certain conditions...
QUOTE- "The folks at AnandTech mention how TRIM will run when your tablet is idle with the screen off and sitting with a battery life of 70 percent or greater. The issue with the previous model Nexus 7 is that while TRIM support has been around since Android 4.2 — it wasn’t enabled. And regardless of how good a feature can be, if it is turned off then it will not do anything."
SOURCE -http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-7-2012-getting-performance-boost-with-android-4-3-update-20130729.
See also here for more technical and interesting info on 'fstrim'.
So, 'fstrim' is now part of Jellybean 4.3... and will run at regular intervals, providing the battery is above 70% and the Nexus 7 is 'sleeping'. But there's nothing to stop you from running 'fstrim' yourself with this app. Particularly after you've JUST deleted some really big files. You will need to be rooted of course.
Right... apologies for the length of this post... just wanted to reference my own experiences in the hope it might help.
Rgrds,
Ged.
Disable the bloatware Apps that you don't need/use like Google currents.
Throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install, but IMHO that browser smokes Chrome.
IDK disabling bloat and using a better browser definitely changed my opinion about the N7 being slow.
Also Google around, there's different tips and tweaks to make your N7 perform better, but with those 2 tips above I saw immediate results for the better...
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Disable the bloatware Apps that you don't need/use like Google currents.
Throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install, but IMHO that browser smokes Chrome.
IDK disabling bloat and using a better browser definitely changed my opinion about the N7 being slow.
Also Google around, there's different tips and tweaks to make your N7 perform better, but with those 2 tips above I saw immediate results for the better...
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...throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install...
Not anymore.... check out this thread...
AOSP browser without root.
Although on a Nexus 4 forum, I can (as can others) report it works great on the Nexus 7 as well. Only downside is, I've never been able to get Adobe Flash Player to work with it.
Rgrds,
Ged.
performance issues
Im a noob, but a CM 10.2 nightly with the latest Franco kernel, then flash the jubei test script gave me a significant boost in performance. Made the thing useable again in my book.
Try setting governor in kernel to performance. Makes a huge difference for me. I don't use my tablet enough in a day to kill it. Gets over 4 hours screen on time.
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currently i'm on att build 4.4.2 for my s4.
is it worth flashing a custom from and going to 4.4.4 ?
i know there are a couple of different roms at 4.4.4, which one does everyone like for this particular phone ?
Not really.. If Battery life and Camera performance is a priority for you I suggest you stick to stock.. My advice would be to root your phone and delete all unwanted bloatware. If your fine with subpar camera quality and battery life flash CM11 or Pac-Man.
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Not really.. If Battery life and Camera performance is a priority for you I suggest you stick to stock.. My advice would be to root your phone and delete all unwanted bloatware. If your fine with subpar camera quality and battery life flash CM11 or Pac-Man.
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the battery life for me now is just ok. i'll unplug my phone at 7am, and by 2pm be at 20%. i have a bunch of email accounts on the phone so i think that could be causing the problem. that and storage space for apps are my 2 biggest things.
Storage space will remain unaffected between custom rom and stock they do not re-partition the device storage. But you can delete almost 300mb of bloatware from stock rom if rooted. I have 3 email accounts on my phone.. plus I call a lot of people .. 2 hours of music.. I unplug my phone around 7am and by 8pm I'm left with almost 35% charge on an average.
Ive rooted woth towelroot and SU for granting super user access. If that'll work, what's the easiest way for me to remove the samsung crap ?
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Ive rooted woth towelroot and SU for granting super user access. If that'll work, what's the easiest way for me to remove the samsung crap ?
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Root browser @ system/app
Or app deleter with root access
A lot of us like Titanium BackUp Pro
Nice UI and very good app manager--:good:
Just posting my experience. After going back and forth between stock and the JMSQ Google Edition, I agree the camera was always the reason I would flip flop back. Taking picutres was ok, but video performance was terrible.... BUT I recently purchased Camera FV5 and Cinema FV5 and the performance is about 90% back on par. Good enough for me to ditch TW for good.
I've read through just about every Lollipop thread on this Verizon forum. I'm currently sitting on rooted 4.4.2, happily enjoying some pretty stable performance and battery life thanks to debloating, Amplify, Greenify and the like. With Nova Launcher and all of the Material Google apps, the interface can be made to look a lot like Lollipop as is.
Given all of the challenges that have come along with the update (battery, performance, root issues, beta Xposed support compared to 4.4.x), can those of you who have made the leap answer one question with a justification as to why - Was upgrading your Verizon Galaxy S5 to Lollipop worth it?
Wasn't worth it to me. Played with a couple lollipop ROMS for a week and now I'm back to 4.4.4.
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If your not the type that needs to be on the latest version and your happy with things as they are now, leave well enough alone. Newer is not always better, besides there are very limited 5.0 roms right now.
You know the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it"! I haven't updated yet im still on beans Alliance rom and it run fantastic and battery life is exceptional so i don't see a solid reason to move on. This is probably the longest I've been on any rom but it has some nice customizations and i use xposed for a few things so im content. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I tried 5.0 but found that a few apps don't work on it yet. I went back to 4.4.4 and will probably stay there until rooting 5.0 is easier and more apps get updated.
For me I've given it about 2 weeks now, and i give it a big no. Mostly for how bad the battery life is and how sluggish it gets throughout the day. Going to go back to KK this weekend....
I have been using rom-v6-0-touchwiz-modness-lollipop-4-t3035513 and am extremely happy with it. you dont get to have Exposed on it but i only used exposed for turning off charging sounds and theming whitch you can do with the moar controls on this rom
I played with LP bit came back to 4.4.4 NK2 and NK7.
There were too many things in LP that I didn't really like, starting with the battery life. It isn't as good as KK.
Now I'm running stock NK7 debloated with the NI2 debloater and no mods but it runs the way I like it. And battery is amazing !
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While on lollipop, I had nothing but problems. My gear fit and g watch were both pretty flaky on holding a connection and Bluetooth would randomly reset for no reason. Battery life was horrid. I found that I didn't enjoy being on lollipop, it felt like my phone was just hobbled together. Back to KK and I couldn't be happier.
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I remember when I had my s5 there was stable root options rather quickly but stable root for s7 is taking awhile. Just curious what it is about this phone that's taking a bit? Is it at&t? Samsung security? Lack of Devs?
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I remember when I had my s5 there was stable root options rather quickly but stable root for s7 is taking awhile. Just curious what it is about this phone that's taking a bit? Is it at&t? Samsung security? Lack of Devs?
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Tbh as long as you don't use xposed and you flash the v15 fix, it runs just as well as stock. Using it on the g930u romantic and I get even better performance and battery life than with stock att rom
As for the time, Samsung has seriously locked this phone down. The normal kernel would not allow any changes to the system, the hash would mismatch. The engineering kernel is more permissive and allows such things. Android vulnerabilities such as towel root are also much more scarce.
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Tbh as long as you don't use xposed and you flash the v15 fix, it runs just as well as stock. Using it on the g930u romantic and I get even better performance and battery life than with stock att rom
As for the time, Samsung has seriously locked this phone down. The normal kernel would not allow any changes to the system, the hash would mismatch. The engineering kernel is more permissive and allows such things. Android vulnerabilities such as towel root are also much more scarce.
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why not use xposed?
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why not use xposed?
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Xposed is what makes it unstable. If you go without Xposed your rom will be ? (plus using the u rom helps)
Before I installed the u rom and rooted, my phone would lose 17% just from being locked in my pocket. Now it's only 8. For 3 hours. Works great.
There's really no point to rooting if xposed and custom ROMs are out of the question IMO
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my s7 is using U-Firmware but no xposed.. being rooted is good to rid of bloated ware apps, use ADBlock host, using screen off app (it requires rooted), freezing background apps that i dont use them and its fun to goofing around with /system and /data... and i am using iron man boot animations. there is a custom ROM working now on forum.
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There's really no point to rooting if xposed and custom ROMs are out of the question IMO
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Rooting is still great if the are no custom roms (which there are)( Echoe rom is running smoothly) all it takes is a little research to learn how to mod yourself and little things that you can do to improve your phone yourself. Not knocking anyone that don't know how cause i still don't know a bunch but there is a lot of things you can do yourself to improve the phone experience. (After all, people that build roms are everyday people that learned!)
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my s7 is using U-Firmware but no xposed.. being rooted is good to rid of bloated ware apps, use ADBlock host, using screen off app (it requires rooted), freezing background apps that i dont use them and its fun to goofing around with /system and /data... and i am using iron man boot animations. there is a custom ROM working now on forum.
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I ran the U FW for a little while but noticed that my battery was getting taxed really bad despite not having any bloat installed so I switched back to stock and it normalized.
Aside from not being able to uninstall the bloatware and change my boot ani, I can do everything you're doing. I have a package disabler (freezing apps), I have a system wide adblocker (adguard) that works perfectly well. Nova has gestures sop I can double tap to lock the screen. I personally have no use for root apps any longer. I can't install a custom kernel so can't over clock the processor, I don't need titanium backup because I'm not going to need to restore my phone after a flash, I'm not sure if viper sound mod works with S7 but I'd certainly want that again.
I'm happy with the phone as is and don't really see the need to modify it in any way aside from the visual customizations and those options are virtually limitless without root also
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Rooting is still great if the are no custom roms (which there are)( Echoe rom is running smoothly) all it takes is a little research to learn how to mod yourself and little things that you can do to improve your phone yourself. Not knocking anyone that don't know how cause i still don't know a bunch but there is a lot of things you can do yourself to improve the phone experience. (After all, people that build roms are everyday people that learned!)
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The problem is I'm on at&t with the snapdragon processor so the phone is locked down very tight. If I had the international version, sure, I may screw around with whatever custom ROMs that are out there but I really don't feel the need. My first smartphone was a galaxy S and I didn't even have that for a month before I rooted it and slapped on some custom ROMs. I flashed that phone well over 50 times with either different ROMs or updates that required a clean flash to operate correctly. I owned a galaxy S3 and did the same thing with that phone. Owned an HTC ONE M8 and ran practically all the customs that were available for that phone too so I have had my fun with firmware customization and then some. Sadly, I couldn't go 6 months without the ROMs ****ting the bed because as you said, the ROM cookers are regular ppl too. Memory leaks were always a serious problem so I was basically CONSTANTLY troubleshooting my devices to get them to run optimally. Inevitably, when I really needed my phone for something is when these problems would occur! That got old! I'm perfectly happy with this device as is. It runs exceptionally well without me forever having to mess with it.
Have your fun. There's a lot of neat things to learn and discover and a lot of heart attacks too when you think, crap, I really screwed up this time! How am I gonna get myself out of THIS mess, lol
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I ran the U FW for a little while but noticed that my battery was getting taxed really bad despite not having any bloat installed so I switched back to stock and it normalized.
Aside from not being able to uninstall the bloatware and change my boot ani, I can do everything you're doing. I have a package disabler (freezing apps), I have a system wide adblocker (adguard) that works perfectly well. Nova has gestures sop I can double tap to lock the screen. I personally have no use for root apps any longer. I can't install a custom kernel so can't over clock the processor, I don't need titanium backup because I'm not going to need to restore my phone after a flash, I'm not sure if viper sound mod works with S7 but I'd certainly want that again.
I'm happy with the phone as is and don't really see the need to modify it in any way aside from the visual customizations and those options are virtually limitless without root also
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The problem is I'm on at&t with the snapdragon processor so the phone is locked down very tight. If I had the international version, sure, I may screw around with whatever custom ROMs that are out there but I really don't feel the need. My first smartphone was a galaxy S and I didn't even have that for a month before I rooted it and slapped on some custom ROMs. I flashed that phone well over 50 times with either different ROMs or updates that required a clean flash to operate correctly. I owned a galaxy S3 and did the same thing with that phone. Owned an HTC ONE M8 and ran practically all the customs that were available for that phone too so I have had my fun with firmware customization and then some. Sadly, I couldn't go 6 months without the ROMs ****ting the bed because as you said, the ROM cookers are regular ppl too. Memory leaks were always a serious problem so I was basically CONSTANTLY troubleshooting my devices to get them to run optimally. Inevitably, when I really needed my phone for something is when these problems would occur! That got old! I'm perfectly happy with this device as is. It runs exceptionally well without me forever having to mess with it.
Have your fun. There's a lot of neat things to learn and discover and a lot of heart attacks too when you think, crap, I really screwed up this time! How am I gonna get myself out of THIS mess, lol
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You are correct on every thing you mentioned above. I in a lot of ways are like you, i have had my ups and downs with flashing and recovering and what not. That is why i started learning how to do more myself do that i didn't flash a rom with so many things i didn't need or want. I used to run exposed on every rom and every phone for simple things that i thought were "cool" but i didn't really need. Ever since i quit using exposed and stated modding things that i actually use i quit having problems. I do still run roms, but am a lot more cautious on what i flash. But the Echoe rom (without installing exposed) is one if the smoothest roms i have ever ran. Absolutely no issues so far except swipe text does not work in the stock "Internet" App which is fixed in the updated version which i haven't upgraded to since it is still in beta. But all that aside, i still don't mind messing with things on a day to day basis and i still have the time for it.