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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/apple-galaxy-tab-7-7-eu-injunction/
Litigation beats innovation any day, well done Stevecorp.
I am so happy i have my 7.7 already. Actually thinking about buying 3g one to use as a business phone.. Might buy it now while i have the chance..
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Good thing we got ICS before this happened...
German Apple lawyers are really good.
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Patent trolls nothing more, I'm sure the 7.7 really put a dent into apple's sales, as did the rest of the galaxy tab lineup, oh wait.
crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?
Oh well, got my 7.7 months ago. Now Samsung just need to come out with 7.7 ver 2 which they just need to tweak the design.
A stupid patent that patent a generic rectangular black tablet with rounded corners. Thought I saw that years ago on LCD photo frames. And they spent months if not a year on this in court. Seriously Apple, time to move on and actually innovate.
and exactly such things are the reason for me to NOT buy products from apple!!! never!!!
although i have to admit that they are usually well designed... but their childishness really
piss me on!
After buying Apple for 5 years I am getting annoyed with this nonsense.
I have an iPad 2 and an Tab 7.7 and they are so different its a joke.
No iPhone 5 for me; but an S3 (when the price drops a little )
Get a grip Apple.
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crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?
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One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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guess the samsung tabs are the only one's that are selling in any high number?
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One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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Sammy is the only threat to apple.
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Pretty lame. All these lawsuits are bad for consumer choice and they are based on such trivial broad patents.
Funny that this **** is only passing in Germany.
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Well, lets put a bit of spin on this. THIS is the device Apple were worried about.
Hopefully gives Samsung reason to make a 7.7 mkII with a few tweaks just to rub their noses in it.
Maybe a 7.7 Note.
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Patent trolls nothing more, I'm sure the 7.7 really put a dent into apple's sales, as did the rest of the galaxy tab lineup, oh wait.
crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?
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Apple certainly 'innovate' - I don't think anyone has tried patent trolling a product that's already been available a year before your own device comes out, before. Way to go Apple, you've done what was previously considered impossible.
I guess this is what happens when you take a litigation-crazy company and combine it with a cash pile of billions of dollars.
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Pretty lame. All these lawsuits are bad for consumer choice and they are based on such trivial broad patents.
Funny that this **** is only passing in Germany.
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I suspect that Germany has a more lax definition of what constitutes copyright infringement than most other EU countries.
There were 4:3 aspect ratio tablets (Windows) before the iPad -- even had IPS screens. Motion Computing should sue Apple for billions.
The automakers should be suing each other because every car has four tires/tyres. :silly:
After all this Crap I think Apples Pooped in its OWN NEST...
like what another member said in another thread, its Apple's way of telling people in EU to wait for their iPad Mini and to hold off from buying the competitions products
let it be...it is just a beginning of Apple's end.....not able to innovate = not able to compete soon
we know it, Apple knows it, just customers do not know it.....but that is why Apple is so scared of innovations
just say everywhere what iRotten Apple is doing and thats all we can do now
https://sites.google.com/site/corpsins/
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There were 4:3 aspect ratio tablets (Windows) before the iPad -- even had IPS screens. Motion Computing should sue Apple for billions.
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I agree. Also there were tablet computers like the iPad in 1984's movie "2010: The Year We Make Contact". Director Peter Hyams should sue the hell out of apple for copying that design!
This whole sueing thing is getting really ridiculous. Shame on apple for beeing not only childish, but also a bad loser.
Didn't feel this needed a new thread but noticed this from the sammie vs apple trial on the verge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3205118/samsung-p10-11-8-inch-retina-tablet
Why is the 7.7 crossed out with "high risk for volume"
unfortunately I can't seem to find the documents from where this slide came from.
Fudge! H8 Apple!
http://gizmodo.com/5937762/samsung-vs-apple-apple-winning-big-updating
BOYCOTT APPLE PRODUCTS!
But seriously, if something happens to Samsung, it will be a huge blow to Android. Seeing the popularity of the Galaxy series. In Singapore, the other non-Apple manufacturer that is popular among everyone is Samsung. Motorola is like nonexistent over here. Hardly anyone has one.
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Glad to see this tying up the courts while rapists and molesters await trial. Good job judicial system.
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Samsung will appeal. And hopefully when they do, they'll get proper justice.
At the very least, their tablets not infringing says that Apple does not own the rectangle.
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Samsung will appeal. And hopefully when they do, they'll get proper justice.
At the very least, their tablets not infringing says that Apple does not own the rectangle.
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I mean, if Apple did gobble up the patents on all that crap, then there really isn't much Samsung can do. As stupid as it is though, because it really is stupid.
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Just wait for the out come of apple v Google. Google now own the patents for most of apples wireless communication and video playback.
This is almost as entertaining as the trash talk on american wrestling.
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Google vs Apple live action full feature... NAO!,
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Samsung is In an impossible position to ever win in the United States...
So yes. Hopefully Google can take over
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More surprisingly the jury found Samsung guilty of infringing Apple's U.S. Design Patent No. D618,677 and D593,087, which Apple's attorney's argued in testimony give it exclusive rights to produce rectangular smartphones with rounded edges.
Does that mean every smartphone will be banned?? I like my sgs3 and not sure how I'd feel about a sgs4 that was a square with sharp edges..
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Samsung is In an impossible position to ever win in the United States...
So yes. Hopefully Google can take over
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More surprisingly the jury found Samsung guilty of infringing Apple's U.S. Design Patent No. D618,677 and D593,087, which Apple's attorney's argued in testimony give it exclusive rights to produce rectangular smartphones with rounded edges.
Does that mean every smartphone will be banned?? I like my sgs3 and not sure how I'd feel about a sgs4 that was a square with sharp edges..
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The Galaxy S3 isn't exactly a rectangle (it looks more like a pebble), so I think you're safe and if the GS4 does have sharp edges, I imagine it would look like the Sony Xperia Ion or the Nokia Lumia 900...
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Samsung is In an impossible position to ever win in the United States...
So yes. Hopefully Google can take over
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More surprisingly the jury found Samsung guilty of infringing Apple's U.S. Design Patent No. D618,677 and D593,087, which Apple's attorney's argued in testimony give it exclusive rights to produce rectangular smartphones with rounded edges.
Does that mean every smartphone will be banned?? I like my sgs3 and not sure how I'd feel about a sgs4 that was a square with sharp edges..
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I have a feeling that Samsung is a S.Korean company, so they are fighting a loosing battle since day one.
*Sigh* Oh the Clone Wars, ummm i mean Patent Wars.
Oh well that's alright, wait for Googorola vs Apple. I'm looking forward to that Cage Match.
Whether it's the 80's/90's or today, Apple is always in the middle of this type of Drama. Sure they can innovative, but they also have the knack for pissing even more people off. What's old is new again with them...
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This verdict (and possible future verdicts against Google) isn't the doom and gloom the media is making it out to be. Worst case scenario is slightly more expensive Android devices because Apple will be forced to license under FRAND. Still sucks though.
Yet another reason why I am never ever buying another Apple product. They have patents over industry standards. Samsung is inevitably using those functionalities - similar to how Apple put their own proprietary skin over Xerox's graphical user interface.
Does anyone know what patents were prove to have been infringing? The radio said they were stupid I.e 4 icons on bottom of home screen and other things that have already been changed in newer versions, of touchwiz and ICS?
Dude on radio went on to say this will have aboutly no affect on Android or samsung later?
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Does anyone know what patents were prove to have been infringing? The radio said they were stupid I.e 4 icons on bottom of home screen and other things that have already been changed in newer versions, of touchwiz and ICS?
Dude on radio went on to say this will have aboutly no affect on Android or samsung later?
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Also things such as pinch-zoom and double-tap to zoom. Also the 'bounce' animation.
The ridiculous point is that there is plenty of prior art for most of these touch interface aspects dating back decades before Apple's patents. However, Apple was allowed to patent them relating to capacitive screens only.
The USPTO really are a bunch of imbeciles for awarding some of those patents in the first place. Nothing new there.
My personal hope is with the fact Mr. Jobbs is out forever and for good.
Soon Crapple Ltd. will become only the patent troll and not an R&D pusher.
We should expect their inevetable decline and demise in few years.
This was actually the expected outcome. You think that American juries deciding between finding an American or South Korean company guilty in an American court would go against said American company?
Let's narrow it down even more. Silicon Valley juries in a Silicon Valley court deciding that a Silicon Valley company is guilty? No chance. Just like the South Korean court decided both was guilty, but Apple more than Samsung.
Things like this should be decided in a more neutral zone, methinks. Europe comes to mind, since the verdicts of courts there clearly show no obvious bias at all. Everyone gets to win some and lose some. That should get them talking of licensing rather than litigating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-dqUuvLk4
^ I saw this in another thread, and IMO it's definitely worth watching.
Sure most of it is common sense, but what if the jury watched this video before they made their decision?...
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actually the whole case seens stupid to me.i do not know any other company which acts stupid as apple about its patents.and many patents seem to be quite stupid.
shall we have round screens now because apple says so?no because apple has a patent for this probably too
europe seems to be a better place for a real decision.
A good read that somewhat confirms my earlier assumptions.
And effects of the verdict doesn't seem to be in Apple's best interest, what with Apple basically admitting that Samsung is the same as Apple...
According to USA Today, Samsung lost the vast majority of the substantial patent violation issues in the CA suit with damages of over $1B awarded to Crapple.
Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung is in pretty deep poo just about now. It won't affect OG Epic users, as we are using EOL hardware. But for those of us considering upgrades it might have some impact. I'm thinking long and hard about buying an SGS3 or any other Sammy product right now. They are going to be a mess for at least a year while all of this patent stuff gets worked out.
Anyone else have thoughts on what kind of impact this might have?
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According to USA Today, Samsung lost the vast majority of the substantial patent violation issues in the CA suit with damages of over $1B awarded to Crapple.
Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung is in pretty deep poo just about now. It won't affect OG Epic users, as we are using EOL hardware. But for those of us considering upgrades it might have some impact. I'm thinking long and hard about buying an SGS3 or any other Sammy product right now. They are going to be a mess for at least a year while all of this patent stuff gets worked out.
Anyone else have thoughts on what kind of impact this might have?
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I just want to get a Samsung Captive Glide, switch to Net10/Straight Talk, and call it a day. I have no idea what this means as far as downloading or updating apps or updating the system specs or whatever. But that's all I want until the NEXT powerful Android with a keyboard comes out.
Right now I just have the Epic 4G, and when I get $500 I'll get the Captivate Glide. I hope by then nothing hinky happens when I try to activate then unlock it.
The only effect it will have will be Apple's attempt to go after companies like Motorola & HTC. Pinch-to-Zoom is on every android device, I think and they will most likely use this victory to add fuel to their nuke android campaign.
There will be a lot of change to the android software and a lot of change android phone designs that are rectangular.
And last F*** Apple.
As bad as this could be for Samsung, look at it this way, they could come up with something more innovative than apple ever will. Maybe Samsung will be the first manufacturer to use mini-projectors in mobile devices and follow through with those plans. (And patent designs before release)
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As bad as this could be for Samsung, look at it this way, they could come up with something more innovative than apple ever will. Maybe Samsung will be the first manufacturer to use mini-projectors in mobile devices and follow through with those plans. (And patent designs before release)
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Sammy already has a phone with a mini projector in the UK called Samsung Galaxy Beam http://m.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review
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Sammy already has a phone with a mini projector in the UK called Samsung Galaxy Beam http://m.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review
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Would ya look at that. Lol
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Well Samsung has been attacking apple for a while on purpose. Look at the adapter module for their chargers looks just like the iPhone Version. And the phone icon looks just like the iOS version. That's about it.No reason to sue its all about advancing technology. I think apple is just trying to get rid of competition. I love Samsung, I love iOS. But I think I'm loosing respect for apple as $1B is a slap in the face. Instead of tearing a company down by suing them. Apple could just make a phone 10X better and Then Samsung would do the same. It would be a continuous loop. That's competition. OH AND APPLE SAMSUUNG PHONES LOOK NOTHINHG LIKE YOUR SMALL 3.5" SCREEN DESIGN.
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Well Samsung has been attacking apple for a while on purpose. Look at the adapter module for their chargers looks just like the iPhone Version. And the phone icon looks just like the iOS version. That's about it.No reason to sue its all about advancing technology. I think apple is just trying to get rid of competition. I love Samsung, I love iOS. But I think I'm loosing respect for apple as $1B is a slap in the face. Instead of tearing a company down by suing them. Apple could just make a phone 10X better and Then Samsung would do the same. It would be a continuous loop. That's competition. OH AND APPLE SAMSUUNG PHONES LOOK NOTHINHG LIKE YOUR SMALL 3.5" SCREEN DESIGN.
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How much different can a phone icon look and still be recognized as a phone icon? Was apple the first company ever to make something rectangular with rounded edges? Were they the first to make a user interface with squares? How can they patent this stuff and sue over it? Its the most generic stuff. Ridiculous. And they sued their largest partner, who makes about 90% of the components in the iPhone/iPad. Apple seems to be done innovating. They take features from Android and then try to make them sound revolutionary. Then, they sue the companies actually innovating and make their products delayed or taken off shelves. The iPhone 1 was revolutionary and really made the smartphone market the way it is today (everyone has one, not just geeks or business people). But they haven't done anything since then. They've made the camera better, screen a bit better, and changed processor.
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Next thing we know they'll add something to the iPhone like a 4 inch screen and an LTE radio and sue over that
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Crapple is just scared because theyre riding this iphone garbage train as long as they can. Samsung will surely slam a future product in their faces. Lets face it, without steve jobs, the innovation is over for them.
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This 1000 times
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Samsung made 3.45 Billion in a quarter of 2012. Do you really think they can't handle a 1 billion dollar advertisement? This didn't kill them.
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Samsung made 3.45 Billion in a quarter of 2012. Do you really think they can't handle a 1 billion dollar advertisement? This didn't kill them.
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It seems to have pissed off alot of folks who used to like Apple and their stale, monotonous product line. I have three cohorts who converted to Android and Windows phones as a result of this lawsuit crap. And I can't wait till they announce the iPhone 5 and everyone sees what a big "nothing" it is. The iSheep are gonna look like kids who wake up Christmas morning to find a stocking full of coal...
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And I can't wait till they announce the iPhone 5 and everyone sees what a big "nothing" it is. The iSheep are gonna look like kids who wake up Christmas morning to find a stocking full of coal...
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Dont be silly. The iSheeple will look at that piece of coal and harp on how shiny a diamond they have. ROFL!
While it sucks they did lose, I do hope it doesn't result in a takedown of major phones. Samsung has been releasing some interesting stuff, and I really do want to hold out on getting a new one 'till they come out with a new slider. I can't imagine what I'd choose if Samsung's development was hindered because of this stupid ordeal.
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dont be silly. The isheeple will look at that piece of coal and harp on how shiny a diamond they have. Rofl!
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lolz! This ^^^
Well, their piece of coal is worth a diamond so...
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Recent news! Google strikes back!
Modoru said:
Recent news! Google strikes back!
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Google-rola
LOL.
What does the future hold for dear Sammy? Only time will tell i guess.
After reading and panicking about the possibility of losing key features on my phone I seem to have come across a common consensus, the case will be appealed and most likely patents probably nullified. Now this is all speculation of course and take it with a grain of salt, but this seems to be the only documented effect from this case (read below article)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/114476892281222708332/posts/246srfbqg6G
so stop panicking my friends
Whatever the outcome I could never, NEVER go back to to an iPhone now. Far to inferior for my needs as a serious smartphone user, even with jb some things were still to long winded.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzing...-just-help-samsung-sell-a-ton-of-smartphones/
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Something about his story doesn't ring true. He sounds like he's getting paid to post this stuff.
Are we really supposed to believe that four lots of people all commented in the exact same manner, in the presumably very short time that he was in Starbucks?
Load of fud!
Nice article, never imagine this market behaviour.. very interesting.
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Die apple. Your psychopath CEO is dead and why don't you?
Why?
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Die apple. Your psychopath CEO is dead and why don't you?
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Dude, thats creepy.......
Four stars is a bit generous !!!!
I would give em 2 :silly:
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Die apple. Your psychopath CEO is dead and why don't you?
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I thought you australians are incredible peaceful and happy people?
I dont like apple..i am diehard android fan...but that man your so glad is dead is somebodys son/father/brother/husband etc and a human being....you are a sick fxxx and as such should be treated that way...i would encourage anyone reading this to report this person
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If you want to rant, open a blog.
Here we discuss constructive matters, or at least we try.
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This has nothing to do with the Galaxy note, and at a long shot should be in the off-topic section or in one of the many anti apple threads, I dont like them as much as the next but will this thread will do is flame out of control and thus there is no point to it..reported
In before lock !
I dont like apple. I would never own an apple device (unless it was given to me) that being said, Steve Jobs was a legend!
He revolutionized the Mobile industry, Albeit the lawsuits between Apple & Samsung are ludicrous and I feel they are only doing it because of the extreme competition with Samsungs latest devices.
The iPhone is a great phone for anyone not interested in hacking / developing.
And on that note..............................Reported !
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Did you drop an iphone on your toe this morning?
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I hate apple and Steve Jobs is no legend
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Die apple. Your psychopath CEO is dead and why don't you?
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Wtf.... :what:
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I'm not a fan of Iphone anymore.As AzzleDazle said apple/Steve Jobs revolutionized mobile market. Without Apple's Iphone we probably never had our galaxy Note this early. However Recent lawsuits and Iphone Development do not impress me at all.
As for the OP, he is a troll and needs to be reported.
Steve Jobs is a legend. I dont get fanboys... use w/e you want, I have several apple product, android, microsoft, sony, etc etc.... and Im happy with all my products.
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I'm not a fan of Iphone anymore.As AzzleDazle said apple/Steve Jobs revolutionized mobile market. Without Apple's Iphone we probably never had our galaxy Note this early. However Recent lawsuits and Iphone Development do not impress me at all.
As for the OP, he is a troll and needs to be reported.
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The only thing iphone was first with was a fluid ui everything else already existed imho steve jobs is one of the most overated people and a pshycopath in the true meaning of the word not the insult. He invented nothing and stole alot from others even from appel when he wasn't ceo, its beyond me how he got that godlike reputation since he only seemed to be a parasite living of the brains of others
But to be happy that he's dead... I think its taking it a bit far
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In before lock!!!
:victory: IN BEFORE LOCK!!! :victory:
Yeah i'm an Android fan also.. I never liked apple products and services..
:highfive: NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL :highfive:
Apple is just for those social climbers who think they look cool if they have an apple device with them.. They dont realize that Apple is just ripping them off..
Lets face it, If Steve Jobs wasnt the man he was, Then apple wouldnt be where it is today.
Im not defending either of them, But the figures speak for themselves. Apple is the most popular product out there, Although hardly any of their devices are made themselves, Using Samsung parts (then suing them ?!? WTF !?!) and LG screens ect ect.
Maybe they are so popular because the majority of the world has been brainwashed ? Or because the devices are easy to use, Packed with features, Sync anything and everything where ever you want, Keep upto date with the world all at your fingertips ?
Not everyone is a Hacker / Modder, So the iphone / pad is perfect for them. If i where to buy a tab, Id probably get a samsung one, Because I have a samsung phone and could do cool stuff between the 2 devices, Same goes with iPhone & iPad.
If something is deemed 'cool' then it becomes a craze and people follow like 'sheep' So someone gets an iPhone, Shows it off, others want one, then they show it off and more people want one etc etc etc.
There are a lot of bad people in the world, Deal with it, Whether you think steve jobs was a d1ck or an idol is upto you.
But thats business! screw people over to make millions.
Haven't been in the general section for a while. Now I remember why....... :banghead:
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Lets face it, If Steve Jobs wasnt the man he was, Then apple wouldnt be where it is today.
Im not defending either of them, But the figures speak for themselves. Apple is the most popular product out there, Although hardly any of their devices are made themselves, Using Samsung parts (then suing them ?!? WTF !?!) and LG screens ect ect.
Maybe they are so popular because the majority of the world has been brainwashed ? Or because the devices are easy to use, Packed with features, Sync anything and everything where ever you want, Keep upto date with the world all at your fingertips ?
Not everyone is a Hacker / Modder, So the iphone / pad is perfect for them. If i where to buy a tab, Id probably get a samsung one, Because I have a samsung phone and could do cool stuff between the 2 devices, Same goes with iPhone & iPad.
If something is deemed 'cool' then it becomes a craze and people follow like 'sheep' So someone gets an iPhone, Shows it off, others want one, then they show it off and more people want one etc etc etc.
There are a lot of bad people in the world, Deal with it, Whether you think steve jobs was a d1ck or an idol is upto you.
But thats business! screw people over to make millions.
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This its not true.... Search in wiki.. For statistics.... 60% of the smartphone market share belongs to android around the world... The other 40% splits between apple/windows/blackberry etc...
And from the 100% of Android universe... 60% belongs to Samsung... So apple is going after the biggest fish... The most popular smartphones in the world are the Samsung galaxy family ..
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