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I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
Could this be the reason? Stay tuned news at 11pm, updates as they happen...

I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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I don't believe they make their lcd's and its not a super amoled display on the iphone4. This is not the reason sammy is late with updates. The reason they're late is they suck at software(getting better tho) and all the individual carrier crap they have to add in or make provisions for.
FYI; samsung and apple look to be bitter rivals now.

RushAOZ said:
I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...

I don't think that has anything to do with it.
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samsung makes a lot of parts for a lot of different cell phones and non samsung related products. I do know samsung makes some htc screens, ie. Incredible, evo, ect....
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epicslam said:
i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...
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Not true. The main reasons we live in such a smartphone driven world today is blackberry, motorola, and, honestly, windows mobile. The idea that we could have full keyboards (since texting had become so commonplace), keep an array of files with us, and music on our phones intrigued a large portion of consumers. The first true "turning point" in my opinion was when the motorola q was released. It was the first smartphone geared towards the normal consumer and not businessmen.
You have to give motorola credit. While they may suck at a lot of things, they have generally been "pioneers" in that they change consumers minds for them. The razor introduced the idea of ultra slim phones, the Q introduced a phone that's more than a phone, and the Droid made the general (unaware) public aware of the android OS. If anything, apple has been following their lead. Just with better marketing and implementation lol.
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No he didn't. The only reasons apple is where they are is because of the app store and how ridiculously easy it is to use that pos. Apple didn't invent **** or bring anything new to the table. They just released an easy to use phone in a market that was flooded with ****ty winmo phones. Stop spreading that hoopla about jobs and apple "inventing". Its the reason why android is speeding by and apple wont catch up unless they finally revise ios and make it more functional... but at that point they'd be copying off android wouldn't they? There's nothing new under the sun. Its never what you do but how its done.
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It's not Samsung that holds up upgrades. It is U.S. carriers. International Samsung phones get their upgrades months before ours.

Considering Apple is sueing sammy, and sammy is sueing apple, I venture to guess apple is looking to expand its suppliers.
Oh and retina is not amoled, its high density lcd.
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epicslam said:
I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
Could this be the reason? Stay tuned news at 11pm, updates as they happen...
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This may just be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on XDA... It would be a little less ridiculous if you had your facts straight.

I Hope they both get FK'ed over... honestly Apple has made people retarded.
and Sammy has continually screwed it's customers over with updates...
i Just wish there was a company that cared about its customers instead of profits... But then again that'll never happen.

There are two reasons why Samsung was so late with updates.
1. There was a huge bug in in their bloatware with Froyo that made it difficult to make a non-buggy port.
2. The carriers are the ones who send out our updates; for all we know we could have gotten it months before if it were an international carrier supporting our updates.
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Its because its a new processor and now that they have the basic framework pretty well mapped we should now start seeing updates much sooner once they are released. But then again I could be wrong and be creating another unfounded rumor like op is doing.

Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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RushAOZ said:
Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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Chill dude =P
But yeah, an Iphone is like all the Pop music today. The close-minded people thinks it's the best on Earth, when there's so many things better than it.

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Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.

ok..first of all as stated..the IPS-LCD in iphone 4 is not made by samsung..its made by LG...also...Samsung does not make Evo screens either...
There is also no one to offend..Apple's strategy revolves around making big checks to companies with latest tech to make shortages for competitors..Samsung on the other hand wont have shortages as they can make their own...
Also, there has been no delay on 2.3/2.4..it came out in standard time on the international Galaxy S..just because google released Gignerbread 4 month ago did not mean it was ready for the public...if you follow trend of Nexus One and Nexus S..it seems like it takes around 4 months for it go rom developer phone to first consumer phone...
And as for Froyo delays...most of it was US carriers fault...

epicslam said:
well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.
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Apple had nothing to do with it. The screen for the iPhone 4 is made by LG, by the way. Samsung has Apple by the balls because they are their second-largest part supplier behind Sony, so no. Samsung and carriers are to blame for neglecting their customer-base. Google has now made a new clause in their manufacturer contracts that says Google has to review any UI customizations a handset maker puts over Android before they will give them early access to their source code. This means no more carrier and manufacturer drag-ass or excuses for grossly neglected software updates to customers. Google will simply make the handset maker's life hell as well as revoke their competitive edge in beating others to the market with the latest version of Android. It's a round-about way of making handset makers like Samsung fall the **** in line and stop screwing around with this "fragmentation" crap.

What the hell apple!!!!

Look what there up too. Thought I would share this with u guys and see what ur thoughts are
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20065843&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-1
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Can we sue apple for trying to monoply yet?

Shoulon said:
Can we sue apple for trying to monoply yet?
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You can't sue for it period. If they ever achieved monopoly status (not going to happen, there's too much competition) it would be an FCC matter.
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Its a smart move on their part. They have nothing to lose. Samsung is not going to abandon 7 billion dollars in sales to Apple no matter how sued they are. Apple, if they win, will sue the **** out of every Android OEM trying to increase the cost of Android just like Microsoft has successfully done.
Also, Samsung blatantly copied some parts from iOS, specifically the icons. Other parts of the lawsuit are less obvious.

Oh steve have my baby so I can make apple my bastard
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Honestly, I think Apple will win this one. They're not gonna get much out of it though. And they sure as hell are gonna regret it next time Apple puts in an order for Samsung's parts.

Does steve realize that most of the internal components of the iphone are from Samsung?
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sceptor said:
Oh steve have my baby so I can make apple my bastard
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Guess theyll have to order from kyocera. Dual Screen iPhone anyone?
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Samsung isn't going to throw away billions of dollars over this suit. They will probably keep selling to apple because their refusal to sell will just let another company take their place and be meaningless.
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Anyone who thinks Samsung would turn down a multi billion dollar contract from Apple is delusional. You guys do know that when Samsung wants to build a phone of its own, it has to go and bid on Samsung parts to include in said phone, right? Its not like their phone division says "lets build a Galaxy S II" and then walks down the hall to grab a bunch of Super AMOLED + screens. They have to bid on those parts the same as Apple does. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but apparently LG does the same thing.

muyoso said:
Anyone who thinks Samsung would turn down a multi billion dollar contract from Apple is delusional. You guys do know that when Samsung wants to build a phone of its own, it has to go and bid on Samsung parts to include in said phone, right? Its not like their phone division says "lets build a Galaxy S II" and then walks down the hall to grab a bunch of Super AMOLED + screens. They have to bid on those parts the same as Apple does. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but apparently LG does the same thing.
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Yeah, but it's fun to dream of Job's demise
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ha,Apple sucks!

apple's mad the iphone cant compete any more

Lawyers are running the world into the ground. Maybe we should have a limited hunting season and cull down the pack to a more managable size.
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I hope samsung can win this, I mean really, apple is just pissed that samsung can make 50phones that are better than apples one.
Also why is apple and samsung not suing lg? They basically copied touchwis and make iphoney look a likes and since samsung copied apple. I rest my case your honor.......

063_XOBX said:
Samsung isn't going to throw away billions of dollars over this suit. They will probably keep selling to apple because their refusal to sell will just let another company take their place and be meaningless.
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And they can at least make their lawsuit money back.

muyoso said:
Anyone who thinks Samsung would turn down a multi billion dollar contract from Apple is delusional. You guys do know that when Samsung wants to build a phone of its own, it has to go and bid on Samsung parts to include in said phone, right? Its not like their phone division says "lets build a Galaxy S II" and then walks down the hall to grab a bunch of Super AMOLED + screens. They have to bid on those parts the same as Apple does. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but apparently LG does the same thing.
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You are right on with that and it is not as uncommon as you might think. I have seen it first hand. It seems like a counterintuitive way to run a business, but there are a lot of business practices that seem strange.

Now that I think about it, Sony also runs business like this. Their gaming, movie production, cell phones, etc. are all almost completely different companies. The reason why the Xperia Play isn't called the Playstation Phone is because their cell division doesn't have the rights to use that trademark.

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You can't sue for it period. If they ever achieved monopoly status (not going to happen, there's too much competition) it would be an FCC matter.
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It was a rhetorical question -_-

Samsung should start shipping parts to Apple that when the iphone user presses talk, it shocks the person, or just simple stuff that the phone fails after a while. Then people will get frustrated with the iphone and bye-bye iphone.

Apple poops the party

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/apple-galaxy-tab-7-7-eu-injunction/
Litigation beats innovation any day, well done Stevecorp.

I am so happy i have my 7.7 already. Actually thinking about buying 3g one to use as a business phone.. Might buy it now while i have the chance..
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Good thing we got ICS before this happened...
German Apple lawyers are really good.
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Patent trolls nothing more, I'm sure the 7.7 really put a dent into apple's sales, as did the rest of the galaxy tab lineup, oh wait.
crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?

Oh well, got my 7.7 months ago. Now Samsung just need to come out with 7.7 ver 2 which they just need to tweak the design.
A stupid patent that patent a generic rectangular black tablet with rounded corners. Thought I saw that years ago on LCD photo frames. And they spent months if not a year on this in court. Seriously Apple, time to move on and actually innovate.

and exactly such things are the reason for me to NOT buy products from apple!!! never!!!
although i have to admit that they are usually well designed... but their childishness really
piss me on!

After buying Apple for 5 years I am getting annoyed with this nonsense.
I have an iPad 2 and an Tab 7.7 and they are so different its a joke.
No iPhone 5 for me; but an S3 (when the price drops a little )
Get a grip Apple.

ascariss said:
crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?
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I would say so.
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One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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adinis78 said:
One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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guess the samsung tabs are the only one's that are selling in any high number?

adinis78 said:
One question i have is, why are they only goings against Samsung, there are other tab makers our there but they dont seem to bother them.
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Sammy is the only threat to apple.
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Pretty lame. All these lawsuits are bad for consumer choice and they are based on such trivial broad patents.
Funny that this **** is only passing in Germany.
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Well, lets put a bit of spin on this. THIS is the device Apple were worried about.
Hopefully gives Samsung reason to make a 7.7 mkII with a few tweaks just to rub their noses in it.
Maybe a 7.7 Note.

ascariss said:
Patent trolls nothing more, I'm sure the 7.7 really put a dent into apple's sales, as did the rest of the galaxy tab lineup, oh wait.
crazy thought, is apple wanting this ban to protect the mini ipad when it goes on sale?
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Apple certainly 'innovate' - I don't think anyone has tried patent trolling a product that's already been available a year before your own device comes out, before. Way to go Apple, you've done what was previously considered impossible.
I guess this is what happens when you take a litigation-crazy company and combine it with a cash pile of billions of dollars.
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Gilbot said:
Pretty lame. All these lawsuits are bad for consumer choice and they are based on such trivial broad patents.
Funny that this **** is only passing in Germany.
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I suspect that Germany has a more lax definition of what constitutes copyright infringement than most other EU countries.

There were 4:3 aspect ratio tablets (Windows) before the iPad -- even had IPS screens. Motion Computing should sue Apple for billions.
The automakers should be suing each other because every car has four tires/tyres. :silly:

After all this Crap I think Apples Pooped in its OWN NEST...

like what another member said in another thread, its Apple's way of telling people in EU to wait for their iPad Mini and to hold off from buying the competitions products

let it be...it is just a beginning of Apple's end.....not able to innovate = not able to compete soon
we know it, Apple knows it, just customers do not know it.....but that is why Apple is so scared of innovations
just say everywhere what iRotten Apple is doing and thats all we can do now
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TonyBigs said:
There were 4:3 aspect ratio tablets (Windows) before the iPad -- even had IPS screens. Motion Computing should sue Apple for billions.
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I agree. Also there were tablet computers like the iPad in 1984's movie "2010: The Year We Make Contact". Director Peter Hyams should sue the hell out of apple for copying that design!
This whole sueing thing is getting really ridiculous. Shame on apple for beeing not only childish, but also a bad loser.

Didn't feel this needed a new thread but noticed this from the sammie vs apple trial on the verge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3205118/samsung-p10-11-8-inch-retina-tablet
Why is the 7.7 crossed out with "high risk for volume"
unfortunately I can't seem to find the documents from where this slide came from.

Will the Apple/Samsung patent trial impact you at all?

There is at least a possibility that the patent case will be decided against Samsung, so that products that are similar to the iphone, as decided by a judge who seems receptive to Apple arguments, may be removed from the market by Apple.
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/samsung-prospects-dim-vs-apple-what-next/240005331
What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?

garyf said:
There is at least a possibility that the patent case will be decided against Samsung, so that products that are similar to the iphone, as decided by a judge who seems receptive to Apple arguments, may be removed from the market by Apple.
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/samsung-prospects-dim-vs-apple-what-next/240005331
What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?
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Not a damn thing

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What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?
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First, a lot of Samsung fans will not switch to Apple, so Apple's profits won't benefit.
Second, if the impact is large enough, Samsung could face financial troubles, which will be passed on to the consumers, at least to some degree.
As a possible third result, Apple will realize that they are a part of that consumer base, when the iPhone components produced by Samsung suddenly become more expensive
This would probably cause iPhone prices to increase, ultimately resulting in Apple screwing themselves
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Not a damn thing
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This
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Apple can turn into a squirrel and come get deez nutz

So far the only impact it had was telling me that Epic 4g was the best selling postpaid samsung android phone of all time
Other then that, at worst Samsung is going to receive a fine. I don't think the courts plan to do any form of mass ban due to disruptions it might cause economically.
For one Apple has yet to actually prove damages.

I should clarify, my thoughts are what I consider to be the worst case scenario - the point was that, at worst, Apple will be hurting themselves more than Samsung or end users, because I don't know anyone that has ever said, "Well, they won that frivolous lawsuit, so their product must be better, right?"
Even if Apple succeeded in tanking every Android manufacturer (which will never happen, but if they did...), too many Android fans are also Apple haters - we'd go back to feature phones or older before we cross over to the iDark Side
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I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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Killasmoke said:
I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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Isn't this a jury trial? It is too early to tell because samsung has not had a chance to present their defense.
Edit:
Samsung just won a big win,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/13/...al-galaxy-s-and-s-ii-galaxy-ace-from-lawsuit/
By excluding these, Apple has to redo their reference material that uses the international SGS models. This makes proving trade dress violation much harder for Apple.

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I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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I heard apple makes Judge Koh's dildo.

Apple wins patent, what does that means for android

Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech

A monopoly for apple in US?
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yor1001 said:
Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
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I would think it means almost nothing for android. As far as for Samsung it probably just means more money spent on appeals in court.
JMHO
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.

bbeelzebub said:
I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Take comfort in the fact that google wont let those features go without a fight
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bbeelzebub said:
I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Current devices will continue to have that functionality. They won't remove it from your product
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Hopefully Samsung wins on Appeal...
Apple suing to stifle competition is why I looked at Android.
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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As ridiculous as that seems, I'd think it a good laugh if I saw a dude rock up in an apple store demanding help since the "stolen copied Apple-tech" has a problem.
I'm just glad most of these ridiculous patent wars are in the US only and the rest of us can still enjoy imports without too much hassle.
As far as the patents go, Apple would probably patent the fact that their devices use a battery if they could, its stifling competition to the detriment of all consumers. Competition is healthy and stimulates innovation

Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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Thought this was funny
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks

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Every phone manufacturer does an extensive study on their competitors' products.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.

L33t Masta said:
Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Indeed! At to put perspective further, Apple even copied (Xerox) to get where they are. The game is not "who copied who", but rather who gets the patent first.
Apple is playing a dangerous game of "patenting" and sueing everyone. Making the competition unable to input basic idea in their products, I honeslty think it's a matter of time before Apple Gets sued by everyone they've copied over the years, and they copied a lot of people!

L33t Masta said:
As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Copying isn't the real issue, it's the patent office. For example one of the design patents Apple was granted was for a rectangle with rounded corners. I think that anyone that's used a tray in a cafeteria knows that this is a silly patent. Yet Samsung had to defend this in court.
The patent office has publicly stated that they are under budget and overwhelmed with patent applications and that they do little research on prior art these days. They have stated that the will grant patents and let the courts sort it out. This is their way of sending a political message to Washington for more money. What results are judgements like we saw last Friday.
I believe that Samsung took a calculated risk when they copied Apple's alleged patents. They were a distant second place in the phone market behind Apple and saw what was happening to RIM and Nokia. Copying Apple not only thrust Samsung into first place, by a wide margin, it netted them $6 billion. That's a good leverage on the $1B judgement.
In any event, Samsung is now the number one phone maker an the threat of these kinds of lawsuits in the future are minimal since the Samsung products are now superior and we find Apple copying Android.

Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!

Jacksmyname said:
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Yes, the awards by the jury presumed EVERY Samsung phone purchased was a lost sale for Apple. My understanding is that this decision alone is grounds for appeal.

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Jacksmyname said:
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
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I've been saying this along, does Apple think its customer base is not smart enough to differentiate between Apple and Samsung products? "Oh NOOOOs I just bought a Samsung when I thought I was getting the iPhone!" The entire design patent is a joke, next lawsuit is against Applebees for using similar name and rectangle tables with rounded edges!
I'm not a fanboi, I just hate stupidity!