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4,8" screen, GPS, 2GB...

I have discovered this GPS is a Windows Mobile! It's not a phone, but has beautiful specs, Active Sync inside, you can browse files in the 2GB flash memory, but read only files.
Please hack it!
http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProd...ageType=Main&category=ICN+Personal+navigation
Try to imagine what could you do with this features...it's better than a PSP, GPS onboard.

ZorrO! said:
I have discovered this GPS is a Windows Mobile!
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No where does it say that it is Win Mobile !!!

No windows mobile and even if sony wanted to put a OS on it, they would put symbian.

Actually it's a Windows CE 5 Core.
Most sat navs run with this these days.
PsiDOC

I'm assuming the OP found out when he connected it to a PC with ActiveSync installed and it started up the sync process..
As psiDOC says a lot of PND's do run winCE as the base OS.. Mainly 4.x mind but some recent ones have 5, there are some hacks around to change some of them back to a Windows Mobile devices..
Have a look round google or pocketgpsworld forums for information on this.. it will void warranty of course and i havent seen one for any nav-u devices yet

Yes, I understood was a WinCE when I connected to Active Sync. Folders structure is the same as my phone (imate SP5M), so I tought it was possible to do something.
This is a brand new model, so maybe nobody tried the hack yet.
But I'm not so expert about hacking, it would be possible on this nav?

It's not so much about hacking the unit, more like cooking up a rom for the device. I have been playing with GPS roms for a while and made basic hacks using a hex editor and then editing the checksums, but have never found a suitable rom kitchen to help with a complete rom rebuild.
Regards,
Psi

[Q] Upgrade paths for custom 6.5 apps

Hi Guys. We have some custom programs that were written to run on Windows Mobile 6.5 devices. As it appears that 6.5 is at the end of its life span, we need to start considering our options.
Our source were written for the mobile .NET framework. I've done the research and know our 6.5 binaries wont be compatible with W7 Phone as its a very different beast.
Is the upgrade as simple as downloading an SDK and recompiling the sources ?
The next question would be, is there a Scanner Wedge type application available for W7 Phone ? Right now we use the Motorola DataWedge application to capture barcodes, which then parses the code as a keyboard input string.

While the binaries won't run on Phone 7, they will probably run on the impending release of Windows Embedded Compact 7. This is the continuation of Windows Mobile for data capture machines and the like.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/campaigns/compact7/default.aspx
As the Platform Builder for this has only just been released, it will take a short while for devices to appear that run it.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/develop/windows-embedded-products-for-developers.aspx
I assume Motorola's products will be the one of the first to use it.

Windows Embedded Handheld
Tezzating said:
As it appears that 6.5 is at the end of its life span, we need to start considering our options.
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On Enterprise handheld devices the OS lives on under new name:
Windows Embedded Handheld 6.5
Windows Embedded Handheld 7

will apps work in Windows 8

if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?

Create a new partition if you want a dual boot, otherwise it will overwrite your data, because currently there is no upgrade function. Most Applications will work in the dev release, but MS is changing Framework, so I am not sure if they will work in the final release!

I've encountered a handful of apps that give me grief on Windows 8, but they're pretty old after all. A few classic games that I own through Steam will install well enough, but are a headache to run.
In all fairness, I had similar trouble in Windows 7 (for some reason, a handful of old games redistributed with DOSbox fail to launch), so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.

josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well.
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Not so true

anna0811 said:
if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?
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Try this tutorial on how to dual-boot Windows 7 & 8: How to Dual-Boot Windows 7 and Windows 8 Side By Side

josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.
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Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!

Starburst13 said:
Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!
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My understanding is that, with USB pass through in VMs, there are no significant limitations on what you can do with a USB device from within a virtual machine. There are extensive discussions on using tools like adb from a virtualized Ubuntu box, at least.
As for your final comment, you're on a strange side of the fence. It has long been a *criticism* of Microsoft that it struggled for so long to keep Windows backwards compatible, and many--MANY--users have wanted them to throw caution to the wind and "rebuild from scratch" the OS, with such compatibility-breaking demands as "eliminate the registry" and so on.
Android itself barely stumbles through version changes, with countless applications breaking on each new release,, prompting swarms of app updates with nothing on their change logs but "added support for 2.x". To this day there are apps on the market with separate entries for 1.x devices.
So I would expect advanced users to acknowledge that virtualization is the grand middle ground solution, allowing businesses with ancient tools to keep using them while advancing the actual OS without wasted development time.

I definitely wouldn't recommend formatting your current Windows 7 partition and installing Windows 8, as it's still a developer preview. Try creating a new partition and dual-booting, this would also allow you to keep all of your current programs and data on your Windows 7 partition.

Windows RT wont succeed [WP8 in disguise]

Windows RT[WP8 in disguise] wont succeed
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
so it wont compete the PC market and Intel ofc
so what we getting is just Windows Phone 8 OS Like
ARM is strong enuf to replace PC
many interests to keep ARM in this state
i hate close code always block the future
Microsoft thinks we are wanting her "marketing" os
no, we want windows!

Microsoft is moving towards a more power friendly and more manageable application model in WinRT (the framework). Of course they don't want their tablets to run non-power-optimized code and therefore only support Metro-Style-Applications.
Given that even newest Quad-Core-ARM chips only compete in computational power with Intel's slow Atom CPUs I highly doubt that most of the interesting Desktop applications would work properly.
So even if I'm doubtful if Windows RT will succeed in the tablet market (depends on which devices will be there and how quickly developers create good Metro Apps) I don't think that it will fail because they almost removed the Desktop.

i mean there no reason to choose windows RT before android or iOS
cos Windows RT is Stripped version of Windows 8
and doesn't give us something more then WP7
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT

Thread title sounds like a caveman.

agreed have suggestion ?

Proz00 said:
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT
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Office perhaps? Which is actually onboard with every Windows RT device.
Also nothing technically speaks against mouse/pen optimized Apps on basis of Metro Apps (Image editing, etc. - the mouse is simply more exact than a finger).
Aside from that a keyboard makes quite a lot of sense whenever you're typing a longer text (E-Mail, forum post, etc.)
As for a topic title: "Windows RT won't succeed" would be the closest to the current.

Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix

Proz00 said:
Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix
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In Windows RT on ARM tablets will be a complete Office 2013 with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote.
They are not built as a Metro Style App (fullscreen metro app)! They are just the same as on x86 and are running in desktop mode. So every Windows RT tablet will have the same office experience as a tablet or notebook running Windows 8 (Pro).

Proz00 said:
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
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Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s

jerome snail said:
Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s
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Windows RT will come loaded with Office 2013 RT
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/arm-powered-windows-rt-to-run-office-2013-rt/

http://arstechnica.com/information-...hots-show-elegant-fusion-of-ribbon-and-metro/
however its looking good
i think metro will cap generally the OS potential
like IE10 metro version, have very little options .....

I guess it's far less Metro-Design that limits the options and functionality than the fact that those applications have been in development for far less time than their Desktop counter parts.
You won't see the control density you have on the Desktop now, simply because hit boxes would be too small which would make the apps fail certification for the Marketplace but aside from that I see pretty little functionality you could not create using WinRT as the basis.
I'm still really curious how many apps and what apps will be available when Windows 8 and Windows RT finally launch.

RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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zeromention said:
RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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but doesnt it support different "app stores"
so for example, an ideal setup would be to have your own company hub, which contains all needed local tools, these can be push updated and centrally managed across all win 8 sites,
So if thats possible i dont see why we couldnt do the same, much like we have custom app stores for Windows phone. unless is some kind of server side domain add on...that would suck!
as you say, time will tell but if it is locked down and the security is similar to Windows Phone 7, then its going to be a pain in the arse to crack open, say what you want about WP but its tighter than a ducks arse! were it not for OEM cockups we'd have no development at all!

So, can RT run desktop apps?

I have seen videos of microsoft surface with WinRT and it comes with full desktop including windows explorer, good old control panel, standard accessories like calculator, notepad etc. (unlike I expected - I thought it would be just metro with very stripped desktop only for office).
Does that mean if someone compiled program for ARM, would it run on Windows RT?

RT only does metro.

drupad2drupad said:
RT only does metro.
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I believe it could if those apps were wrote for ITS desktop mode and distributed via Windows Store. One can make such app - but what for?
Unless like with Office apps it is convenient to have them on task (few Windows) bar for easy swap you dont really need a desktop.

Rt can run exes but they have to be compiled for arm and signed by Microsoft. This is why office works, and we may see visual studio and other Microsoft stuff in the future.
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So in the other words, unless someone figures out how to disable signing, we can't run anything on WinRT? It seemed like a promising product for a moment...

matejdro said:
So in the other words, unless someone figures out how to disable signing, we can't run anything on WinRT? It seemed like a promising product for a moment...
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No, "unless someone figures out how to disable signing" AND app itself will be written for ARM architecture. In case of x86/64 apps (like was "original" Office) they have to be recompiled.
I believe it is way more difficult than "jumping" between ARM platforms like Windows Phone, iOS and Android.
One would think that difficulty of such action would be (starting with the easiest/least time consuming task):
1. Preparing app that was meant for WP8 so it can run on Win RT
2. Preparing an app from Android/iOS/WP 7.x so it can run on Win RT
3. As above but from x86/64 platforms...

I know about whole ARM thing. I was just curious if microsoft allows us to run our own desktop apps if they are compiled properly.

I very much doubt that.
Those of you who will have such need will be able to do so under dev accounts. To all the rest both modes will stay shut.
This way Ms will be able to make cash from its Windows Store.
Since they had to keep Win Pro open, because hardly anyone would swap from XP/Vista/7 it is not the case with RT.
Ms can follow footsteps of iOS and Android.
More intresting to me is how long will it tkate to brake this (RT) system...