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What operating system do you use???

basically i want to know if you use windows, mac, or linux, and why you use that OS, and also how many people have yet to root their phone because it seems too complicated. i am currently working on a script runable in linux and soon to be runable in windows that will automatically root your phone for you. all you will need to do is run the command, hit enter a few times, set up a setting in anycut(which will be installed on the phone after flashing to RC29) and walk away, or you can sit there and stare at it if you want.
but since i know there are those three main OS's i wanted to know if i should continue trying to get this automated and running in all three operating systems.

I use all of the above so I can't vote. And technically if you own an Android phone you're using Linux.

Ron Overdrive said:
I use all of the above so I can't vote. And technically if you own an Android phone you're using Linux.
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Well which do you use to do work on your phone? And I know by using android you are using linux which is why I made sure to say "on your main computer" I use linux to work on my phones, but I can use windows on my friend's comp

tubaking182 said:
Well which do you use to do work on your phone? And I know by using android you are using linux which is why I made sure to say "on your main computer" I use linux to work on my phones, but I can use windows on my friend's comp
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Lately I've been using Windows 7 since I'm giving it a go to see if I want to return to Windows or not after the Vista blunder.
Honestly though I'd make an OS independent way of doing it to simplify it. Like make it in Java, Python, or in Mono so it'll be one app for all 3 OS's.

Why did you say "M$" in the poll option and not "Microsoft". I thought bagging Microsoft for no good reason stopped being cool 5 years ago?

because up until recently if you were to try and get ahold of a copy of XP an older and "obsolete" operating system they charged nuch more than they charged you for a copy of the crappy vista that the deemed perfect. the company will do anything to make more money than they chould be making, they overcharge for everything and quite frankly i would rag on mac too but it has been a long time since i touched a mac. these days i don't pay for a thing when it comes to my computer software, if there is not a free alternative then i don't need the program. software companies charge an arm and a leg for their software and then they whine and cry that people are pirating it. take a look at photoshop. over 60% of the copies of photoshop that are installed on computers nationwide are pirated copies, and is it any wonder? adobe wants to charge nearly $900 for a piece of intangible software, i'll stick with gimp

I've got an old iMac I still use (OS 9.2), and my main pc is quad boot (XP Pro, Vista, 7, and Unbuntu), and my netbook is dual boot from the hard drive (XP Pro & Vista) and I've got persistant install of Ubuntu on an sdhc card, and a live install of GOS on an sd card.
So I think there should be an option of "All of the above".

Linux here as a desktop OS since the times of Slackware 9.1
Windows XP for commercial development (C# )
I am giving Windows 7 a try too

Work: WinXP
Home: Win7 Beta
Laptop: Currently XP, switching to Ubuntu or some other linux flavor this weekend.
I primarily use Windows because i'm more of a PC Gamer than console. I'd most likely switch completely to Linux >IF< the game industry went full throtle into Linux development. Not talking about a Windows Emulator on linux to run windows games, but coding games natively for Linux.
I think this is a great Idea. I've rooted my phone to get themes and auto-rotation and the updated APN Radio stuff on it. Showed it to some of my friends and they want to root as well, but want me to do it for them cause they are nervous. I tried explaining that if they just follow the step by step instructions, they will be fine. So this will certainly make things easier for them.
tubaking182 said:
basically i want to know if you use windows, mac, or linux, and why you use that OS, and also how many people have yet to root their phone because it seems too complicated. i am currently working on a script runable in linux and soon to be runable in windows that will automatically root your phone for you. all you will need to do is run the command, hit enter a few times, set up a setting in anycut(which will be installed on the phone after flashing to RC29) and walk away, or you can sit there and stare at it if you want.
but since i know there are those three main OS's i wanted to know if i should continue trying to get this automated and running in all three operating systems.
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ASUS G1Sn: Dual Boot Vista and Ubuntu, Vista will be replaced when win7 is final
Asus eeepc 1000H dual boot: Windows 7 Beta 1 and XP
I use Vista mainly because Its not that bad despite some of its problems. A few registry tweaks, scratch that a LOT of registry tweaks go a long way Looking forward to windows 7! I like the freedom with Linux but I don't have the time needed to tinker with it and its a hassle. Hackintosh was alright when I used it, mac os is meh. mac hardware is sexy though. Gimme hardware and keep your OS apple ^^

windows vista on my laptop and windows XP at work.
i rooted to JF 1.42 RC33 but i fumbled my way through...i'm sure anyone with equal or lower "skillz" as me would greatly appreciate the automated root.
thx!

hellbringer626 said:
Hackintosh was alright when I used it, mac os is meh. mac hardware is sexy though. Gimme hardware and keep your OS apple ^^
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Heh, I'm the opposite. Mac hardware only looks good, but underneath its poorly put together and the designs are flawed. I can build a decent looking hackintosh that looks just as good. The OS, however, has a lot of potential assuming Apple allows people to customize their experience without hacking the OS to install a theme and stops locking it into their crappy hardware setup. After all its a heavily commercialized BSD hybrid that makes some things much easier.
MoridinBG said:
Linux here as a desktop OS since the times of Slackware 9.1
Windows XP for commercial development (C# )
I am giving Windows 7 a try too
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I take it what you're doing doesn't work with MONO (it supports up to C# 3.0)? I know people who do C# development work on Mac OS X thanks to MONO.

It cannot be categorized into one vote I need two.
Yeah I know it sucks but I have to have at least one machine with Windows because I am a gamer and until the day that Linux has the same level of 3D application/Gaming support I will always need windows.
Though for everything else I'm either testing the Kubuntu 9.04 Alpha or using Kubuntu 8.10.

I use Mac and the only thing I haven't been able to do with it is format my sd to EXT2, so I end up using my Vista In Parallels. Now, Does anybody knows why in my Mac shows ext2 as one of the format options but doesn't seems to work right

My Labtop Has Windows Vista and Ubuntu
And My Two Desktops Have Windows XP

Dual booted with Vista Ultimate x64 and Ubuntu.

Dual boot with Fedora 10 & Windows XP sp3
Windows xp gets used once in a blue moon to play a game. Most of the main windows applications I used can be run in wine these days. Everything else is vastly easier to do in linux.

I run XP at work, and Tri-boot of Vista/Win7/Ubuntu at home.
I would have thought that if you can't understand how to root your G1...you really don't need to root it in the first place??

I run almost exclusively Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on at least 5 machines (6 if you count the ps3 in). I run no dual boot but I have XP post SP3 in Virtualbox on my main machine for my bank but I will solve that later as the bank officially now supports Ubuntu but my current certificate is incompatible.
I run Ubuntu because I don't get any problem with viruses, trojans, malware, spyware and clogged registry. I also run Ubuntu because almost everything can be done from the command line. You can mod almost all parts of Ubuntu including Linux. It's free and I can make the modifications I want to the source code. Some applications and drivers are proprietary which can be a pain but that's how the current state is and usually you don't need so many proprietary parts. There are many free apps available via apt-get, both using official repository, ppa:s and external repositories. I find Linux distributions more modular than Windows. There's less problem with unsupported old hardware like in newer editions of Windows. Canon and HP skipped Vista support for both our scanner and printer. Only the basic features of the printer worked. In Ubuntu I get a lot more information from the printer with CUPS than with Vista and the inbuilt driver. The scanner was impossible to make work on x64 Vista. x86 worked but it was an ugly driver hack with the old xp driver and not optimal. Most hardware drivers for old components are built in into Linux.
I've tried Vista many times and it has not met my expectations of a good OS. My latest TX tablet crashed while I finished the configuration and went to burn the recovery discs. I tested ram and the harddrive and there were no problems. After running Ubuntu on that machine for quite a while I consider it stable. My previous TX computer had similar problems. The lack of drivers for old hardware, the lack of a good CLI and the need for all the protection makes me look elsewhere. Windows 7 is looking a lot better but It's far from what I want to use. I tried powershell and I just wanted to get out of there quickly. I've used MAC OSX including 10.1, 10.4 and 10.5 and I like it a lot. Unfortunately as you may have understood OSX is exclusively made for MAC:s. It runs on many x86/x86_64 pc:s but often there is always something not running properly.
If Apple would make OSX available for PC:s with BIOS (which they most likely won't because then they wouldn't sell as many MAC:s) I would use it. The Ubuntu GUI is good if you change the theme but Aqua on OSX is much better.
I think we are heading more towards cloud based OS:S / webOS:s /online-OS:s.
Sorry for the rant. I just felt like writing.

Debian linux testing version..

Windows RT wont succeed [WP8 in disguise]

Windows RT[WP8 in disguise] wont succeed
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
so it wont compete the PC market and Intel ofc
so what we getting is just Windows Phone 8 OS Like
ARM is strong enuf to replace PC
many interests to keep ARM in this state
i hate close code always block the future
Microsoft thinks we are wanting her "marketing" os
no, we want windows!

Microsoft is moving towards a more power friendly and more manageable application model in WinRT (the framework). Of course they don't want their tablets to run non-power-optimized code and therefore only support Metro-Style-Applications.
Given that even newest Quad-Core-ARM chips only compete in computational power with Intel's slow Atom CPUs I highly doubt that most of the interesting Desktop applications would work properly.
So even if I'm doubtful if Windows RT will succeed in the tablet market (depends on which devices will be there and how quickly developers create good Metro Apps) I don't think that it will fail because they almost removed the Desktop.

i mean there no reason to choose windows RT before android or iOS
cos Windows RT is Stripped version of Windows 8
and doesn't give us something more then WP7
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT

Thread title sounds like a caveman.

agreed have suggestion ?

Proz00 said:
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT
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Office perhaps? Which is actually onboard with every Windows RT device.
Also nothing technically speaks against mouse/pen optimized Apps on basis of Metro Apps (Image editing, etc. - the mouse is simply more exact than a finger).
Aside from that a keyboard makes quite a lot of sense whenever you're typing a longer text (E-Mail, forum post, etc.)
As for a topic title: "Windows RT won't succeed" would be the closest to the current.

Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix

Proz00 said:
Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix
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In Windows RT on ARM tablets will be a complete Office 2013 with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote.
They are not built as a Metro Style App (fullscreen metro app)! They are just the same as on x86 and are running in desktop mode. So every Windows RT tablet will have the same office experience as a tablet or notebook running Windows 8 (Pro).

Proz00 said:
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
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Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s

jerome snail said:
Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s
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Windows RT will come loaded with Office 2013 RT
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/arm-powered-windows-rt-to-run-office-2013-rt/

http://arstechnica.com/information-...hots-show-elegant-fusion-of-ribbon-and-metro/
however its looking good
i think metro will cap generally the OS potential
like IE10 metro version, have very little options .....

I guess it's far less Metro-Design that limits the options and functionality than the fact that those applications have been in development for far less time than their Desktop counter parts.
You won't see the control density you have on the Desktop now, simply because hit boxes would be too small which would make the apps fail certification for the Marketplace but aside from that I see pretty little functionality you could not create using WinRT as the basis.
I'm still really curious how many apps and what apps will be available when Windows 8 and Windows RT finally launch.

RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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zeromention said:
RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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but doesnt it support different "app stores"
so for example, an ideal setup would be to have your own company hub, which contains all needed local tools, these can be push updated and centrally managed across all win 8 sites,
So if thats possible i dont see why we couldnt do the same, much like we have custom app stores for Windows phone. unless is some kind of server side domain add on...that would suck!
as you say, time will tell but if it is locked down and the security is similar to Windows Phone 7, then its going to be a pain in the arse to crack open, say what you want about WP but its tighter than a ducks arse! were it not for OEM cockups we'd have no development at all!

Microsoft Automotive OS (Windows CE)

Morning everyone!
I recently bought a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe, and noticed that under information, it states the NAV system runs Microsoft Windows Automotive.
I did some recon, and found that this is a stipped down version of Windows CE? I've tried searching to see if anyone has done any hacking, I've seen a few basic mods/hacks, but nothing crazy like the stuff xda-devs push out...
Just wondering if there's been any work done on this? Any cool hacks?

So, you want to "hack" Windows (Embedded) Automotive (7), which is part of Microsoft's Windows Embedded family? What do you mean with "hack"? Please specify.
There is not, and there will probably never be a "hacker" or "modder" scene around devices running Windows Automotive, as all the SDKs are closed to the public and only acessible to manufacturers who signed a deal with Microsoft. There is no way of really adding functionality to these systems for a hobbyist, and even if there was of course it would validate any and all warrantys on the device.

jwoegerbauer said:
So, you want to "hack" Windows (Embedded) Automotive (7), which is part of Microsoft's Windows Embedded family? What do you mean with "hack"? Please specify.
There is not, and there will probably never be a "hacker" or "modder" scene around devices running Windows Automotive, as all the SDKs are closed to the public and only accessible to manufacturers who signed a deal with Microsoft. There is no way of really adding functionality to these systems for a hobbyist, and even if there was of course it would validate any and all warrantys on the device.
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I was just wondering if any work had maybe been done. I'm not familiar with the OS as you can tell. But from my previous experience in the Windows Mobile land and some hacking I've seen in the past on devices that ran CE I was just wondering if anything had been done...
I know there's been a few minor hacks and mods (re: interface changes, animations, pictures, voice prompts, map side-loading, etc...). But that's all I've read so far...

Zhariak said:
But from my previous experience in the Windows Mobile land and some hacking I've seen in the past on devices that ran CE I was just wondering if anything had been done...
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Windows Automotive is based on Windows Mobile, not on Windows CE. Perhaps 'unlockers' developped for Windows CE might do it, who knows?

jwoegerbauer said:
Windows Automotive is based on Windows Mobile, not on Windows CE. Perhaps 'unlockers' developped for Windows CE might do it, who knows?
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I read that it runs a Windows CE kernel, also read that it uses a lot of stuff that Windows Mobile uses... Main interest would be to see if it's possible to load up a complete Windows GUI (like what people did for the HTC Shift)...

I have a cts-v as well and I'm hoping to play with the latest nav software update disc (2012) when I receive it tomorrow. I know some have converted it to usb so it doesn't take 2-3 hours to update your system. I'm also wanting to see if I can do some mods/hacks/tweaks to it just to play around. Can you point me in the right direction on the mods/tweaks you've read about? Of course I'd just like to start out with images/sounds/slash screen stuff first.

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jwoegerbauer said:
Windows Automotive is based on Windows Mobile, not on Windows CE. Perhaps 'unlockers' developped for Windows CE might do it, who knows?
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what about windows embedded device like HP mediasmart connect x280n can you update it to windows embedded 8 pro

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Wondering if anyone ever did anything with these... I just bought one myself in my '09 CTS-4 . You can remove the hard drive and image it to your local hard drive and I have seen where people have been able to access the files within. Since Windows Mobile Auto is related to Windows mobile you should be able to use some of the same tools you would use with Windows Mobile. My understanding is that it is not a stripped down but a supped up version to support additional hardware and functionality. .Net code is byte code that is run by the runtime in standard windows and is easy to decode and reconstruct the source code. I am guessing windows Mobile is similar. You should be able to reconstruct enough that you can use the standard .DLL from windows mobile auto in a regular windows mobile development environment then just copy the finished file over... In theory anyhow... I have seen information that it may require signing but I am not sure that signing was necessary with Windows Mobile 5. I will be tearing apart my new NAV system before I install it to see what I can access in it.

Did you find anything? I'm looking to "hack" my 2011 Fusion Sport w/ Nav. Runs on similar platform based on my research.
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Wondering if anyone ever did anything with these... I just bought one myself in my '09 CTS-4 . You can remove the hard drive and image it to your local hard drive and I have seen where people have been able to access the files within. Since Windows Mobile Auto is related to Windows mobile you should be able to use some of the same tools you would use with Windows Mobile. My understanding is that it is not a stripped down but a supped up version to support additional hardware and functionality. .Net code is byte code that is run by the runtime in standard windows and is easy to decode and reconstruct the source code. I am guessing windows Mobile is similar. You should be able to reconstruct enough that you can use the standard .DLL from windows mobile auto in a regular windows mobile development environment then just copy the finished file over... In theory anyhow... I have seen information that it may require signing but I am not sure that signing was necessary with Windows Mobile 5. I will be tearing apart my new NAV system before I install it to see what I can access in it.
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Hi there
Can any body upload the latest disc for the Cadillac cts? or just sent a link to my email: [email protected]
thanks
Ronen

[Q] Can I side load Windows Phone apps into Metro?

Hi guys, I was thinking as to how to exploit Windows Metro decently: I really like the concept, but I find myself never using it. If I want to use a multiaccount chat program, I need to use something like Digsby on Desktop. I think it's a suboptimal use of Windows 8. I'd like to use a multiplatform chat program, like those found on our smartphones (Imo, eBuddy, and such) from the Metro and, for once, forget about Desktop: is it possible? Can I sideload Windows Phone 7.5 and Windows Phone 8 apps into Windows 8 metro?
I think it's really bad to not be able to use stuff like Whatsapp, given I have a tablet interface around which Windows 8 has been used.
Same thing, regarding Xbox Live Arcade games: why cannot I play them in Windows 8 yet? Why can't I play something like Fez, or Sine Mora, inside Windows 8 Metro? Shouldn't it be one of the main selling point of Metro interface?
At the moment, I see really great potential for a new, different and more relaxed approach to computer use, but it's very limited by implementation and app choice...

you cant side load yet, the split screen would be handy forchat programs

[Q] tell me the different

What the different between windows 8.1 pro and Windows 8.1 RT?

8.1 Pro runs on Intel and hence can run desktop apps. 8.1 RT runs on Arm and cannot run desktop apps.
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ammarasyraaf said:
What the different between windows 8.1 pro and Windows 8.1 RT?
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"Cannot run desktop apps" is both inaccurate and misleading.
Inaccurate because all the built-in desktop stuff (Office, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Registry Editor, Task Manager, Powershell, and tons more) not only run on RT, you can even run them as Admin. However, you cannot run *third-party* desktop apps - stuff like Photoshop, or Steam, or Firefox, or Skyrim - because they are only available for x86/x64 Windows, not for ARM, and also because they don't have Microsoft signatures. Older versions of RT can be "jailbroken" which allows installing and running some third-party software that was ported to ARM - open-source stuff like Notepad++, DOSBox, 7-Zip, and Miranda IM mostly - but there's no jailbreak published for 8.1 yet.
Misleading because it implies that the *only* difference is in the (in)ability to run desktop apps. However, some Store apps also may not work on RT, if they use native code and were compiled only for x86 and/or x64. For example, VLC is not (yet) available in the store for RT, although there's a test version of it for x86.
RT can also only be installed on specific hardware that is intended to run it. You cannot, for example, just take an Android tablet and install RT on it instead, the way you could take a Mac and install Windows on it instead.

Thanks for the complete and accurate answer. I should have been more clear and said "only store" apps. BTW, I didn't realize that some store apps may not work on RT.
Live and learn...
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GoodDayToDie said:
"Cannot run desktop apps" is both inaccurate and misleading.
Inaccurate because all the built-in desktop stuff (Office, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Registry Editor, Task Manager, Powershell, and tons more) not only run on RT, you can even run them as Admin. However, you cannot run *third-party* desktop apps - stuff like Photoshop, or Steam, or Firefox, or Skyrim - because they are only available for x86/x64 Windows, not for ARM, and also because they don't have Microsoft signatures. Older versions of RT can be "jailbroken" which allows installing and running some third-party software that was ported to ARM - open-source stuff like Notepad++, DOSBox, 7-Zip, and Miranda IM mostly - but there's no jailbreak published for 8.1 yet.
Misleading because it implies that the *only* difference is in the (in)ability to run desktop apps. However, some Store apps also may not work on RT, if they use native code and were compiled only for x86 and/or x64. For example, VLC is not (yet) available in the store for RT, although there's a test version of it for x86.
RT can also only be installed on specific hardware that is intended to run it. You cannot, for example, just take an Android tablet and install RT on it instead, the way you could take a Mac and install Windows on it instead.
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