What the different between windows 8.1 pro and Windows 8.1 RT?
8.1 Pro runs on Intel and hence can run desktop apps. 8.1 RT runs on Arm and cannot run desktop apps.
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ammarasyraaf said:
What the different between windows 8.1 pro and Windows 8.1 RT?
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"Cannot run desktop apps" is both inaccurate and misleading.
Inaccurate because all the built-in desktop stuff (Office, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Registry Editor, Task Manager, Powershell, and tons more) not only run on RT, you can even run them as Admin. However, you cannot run *third-party* desktop apps - stuff like Photoshop, or Steam, or Firefox, or Skyrim - because they are only available for x86/x64 Windows, not for ARM, and also because they don't have Microsoft signatures. Older versions of RT can be "jailbroken" which allows installing and running some third-party software that was ported to ARM - open-source stuff like Notepad++, DOSBox, 7-Zip, and Miranda IM mostly - but there's no jailbreak published for 8.1 yet.
Misleading because it implies that the *only* difference is in the (in)ability to run desktop apps. However, some Store apps also may not work on RT, if they use native code and were compiled only for x86 and/or x64. For example, VLC is not (yet) available in the store for RT, although there's a test version of it for x86.
RT can also only be installed on specific hardware that is intended to run it. You cannot, for example, just take an Android tablet and install RT on it instead, the way you could take a Mac and install Windows on it instead.
Thanks for the complete and accurate answer. I should have been more clear and said "only store" apps. BTW, I didn't realize that some store apps may not work on RT.
Live and learn...
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GoodDayToDie said:
"Cannot run desktop apps" is both inaccurate and misleading.
Inaccurate because all the built-in desktop stuff (Office, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Registry Editor, Task Manager, Powershell, and tons more) not only run on RT, you can even run them as Admin. However, you cannot run *third-party* desktop apps - stuff like Photoshop, or Steam, or Firefox, or Skyrim - because they are only available for x86/x64 Windows, not for ARM, and also because they don't have Microsoft signatures. Older versions of RT can be "jailbroken" which allows installing and running some third-party software that was ported to ARM - open-source stuff like Notepad++, DOSBox, 7-Zip, and Miranda IM mostly - but there's no jailbreak published for 8.1 yet.
Misleading because it implies that the *only* difference is in the (in)ability to run desktop apps. However, some Store apps also may not work on RT, if they use native code and were compiled only for x86 and/or x64. For example, VLC is not (yet) available in the store for RT, although there's a test version of it for x86.
RT can also only be installed on specific hardware that is intended to run it. You cannot, for example, just take an Android tablet and install RT on it instead, the way you could take a Mac and install Windows on it instead.
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Windows RT[WP8 in disguise] wont succeed
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
so it wont compete the PC market and Intel ofc
so what we getting is just Windows Phone 8 OS Like
ARM is strong enuf to replace PC
many interests to keep ARM in this state
i hate close code always block the future
Microsoft thinks we are wanting her "marketing" os
no, we want windows!
Microsoft is moving towards a more power friendly and more manageable application model in WinRT (the framework). Of course they don't want their tablets to run non-power-optimized code and therefore only support Metro-Style-Applications.
Given that even newest Quad-Core-ARM chips only compete in computational power with Intel's slow Atom CPUs I highly doubt that most of the interesting Desktop applications would work properly.
So even if I'm doubtful if Windows RT will succeed in the tablet market (depends on which devices will be there and how quickly developers create good Metro Apps) I don't think that it will fail because they almost removed the Desktop.
i mean there no reason to choose windows RT before android or iOS
cos Windows RT is Stripped version of Windows 8
and doesn't give us something more then WP7
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT
Thread title sounds like a caveman.
agreed have suggestion ?
Proz00 said:
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT
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Office perhaps? Which is actually onboard with every Windows RT device.
Also nothing technically speaks against mouse/pen optimized Apps on basis of Metro Apps (Image editing, etc. - the mouse is simply more exact than a finger).
Aside from that a keyboard makes quite a lot of sense whenever you're typing a longer text (E-Mail, forum post, etc.)
As for a topic title: "Windows RT won't succeed" would be the closest to the current.
Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix
Proz00 said:
Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix
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In Windows RT on ARM tablets will be a complete Office 2013 with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote.
They are not built as a Metro Style App (fullscreen metro app)! They are just the same as on x86 and are running in desktop mode. So every Windows RT tablet will have the same office experience as a tablet or notebook running Windows 8 (Pro).
Proz00 said:
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
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Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s
jerome snail said:
Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s
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Windows RT will come loaded with Office 2013 RT
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/arm-powered-windows-rt-to-run-office-2013-rt/
http://arstechnica.com/information-...hots-show-elegant-fusion-of-ribbon-and-metro/
however its looking good
i think metro will cap generally the OS potential
like IE10 metro version, have very little options .....
I guess it's far less Metro-Design that limits the options and functionality than the fact that those applications have been in development for far less time than their Desktop counter parts.
You won't see the control density you have on the Desktop now, simply because hit boxes would be too small which would make the apps fail certification for the Marketplace but aside from that I see pretty little functionality you could not create using WinRT as the basis.
I'm still really curious how many apps and what apps will be available when Windows 8 and Windows RT finally launch.
RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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zeromention said:
RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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but doesnt it support different "app stores"
so for example, an ideal setup would be to have your own company hub, which contains all needed local tools, these can be push updated and centrally managed across all win 8 sites,
So if thats possible i dont see why we couldnt do the same, much like we have custom app stores for Windows phone. unless is some kind of server side domain add on...that would suck!
as you say, time will tell but if it is locked down and the security is similar to Windows Phone 7, then its going to be a pain in the arse to crack open, say what you want about WP but its tighter than a ducks arse! were it not for OEM cockups we'd have no development at all!
Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.
The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.
Oh I see, so I was excited about the Surface for nothing, cuz if its just a Metro like windows phone, we are back to a Big-screen-smartphone-tablet...
I wonder about that "PRO" edition.. I'll look up for it,
Thanks for your answer!
Your welcome.
Microsoft presented four editions of their new tablet.
Two editions for each Windows RT and Windows 8 Pro:
Microsoft Surface (RT) with Windows RT (running on an ARM processor) and 16 or 32 GB which will be available around the official launch of Windows 8 near to october 26th
and
Microsoft Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro (running an Core i5 [probably]) and 32 or 64 GB which will be available about three months later than the "little" Surface (that would be the end of january 2013)
I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.
junpeikawada said:
I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.
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Didn't I say exactly THAT:
hanswurst24 said:
The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.
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mcjordan92 said:
Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.
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You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.
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You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.
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On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..
mcjordan92 said:
On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..
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This is the last of the beta, sorry I read the t as a p that's my bad. You can get a free trial of rtm (the final build as it will be sold), but once the trial is up you will have to reinstall a proper copy you cant just change the key. I have mine because I have volume license with support as well as TechNet and it is already released to us.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx
You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.
Yeah I figured it out, it kinda dissapointing.. I wished the buy the cheap tablet one as my school tablet but it seems now that its gonna be very expensive which make me think back about buying a laptop instead, or stick with my old laptop..
spunker88 said:
You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.
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I will note incase any noobs stumble across this that x64 is also x86 its just as its 64bit they like to use it to tell the diff etc.
They are x86 because they come from the 8086 from back in the late 70's and was only 16bit (I say only remember this was still the70's) and that replaced the 8080 (8 bit). The name just followed on (286, 386, 486, Pentium x86).
I have seen videos of microsoft surface with WinRT and it comes with full desktop including windows explorer, good old control panel, standard accessories like calculator, notepad etc. (unlike I expected - I thought it would be just metro with very stripped desktop only for office).
Does that mean if someone compiled program for ARM, would it run on Windows RT?
RT only does metro.
drupad2drupad said:
RT only does metro.
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I believe it could if those apps were wrote for ITS desktop mode and distributed via Windows Store. One can make such app - but what for?
Unless like with Office apps it is convenient to have them on task (few Windows) bar for easy swap you dont really need a desktop.
Rt can run exes but they have to be compiled for arm and signed by Microsoft. This is why office works, and we may see visual studio and other Microsoft stuff in the future.
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So in the other words, unless someone figures out how to disable signing, we can't run anything on WinRT? It seemed like a promising product for a moment...
matejdro said:
So in the other words, unless someone figures out how to disable signing, we can't run anything on WinRT? It seemed like a promising product for a moment...
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No, "unless someone figures out how to disable signing" AND app itself will be written for ARM architecture. In case of x86/64 apps (like was "original" Office) they have to be recompiled.
I believe it is way more difficult than "jumping" between ARM platforms like Windows Phone, iOS and Android.
One would think that difficulty of such action would be (starting with the easiest/least time consuming task):
1. Preparing app that was meant for WP8 so it can run on Win RT
2. Preparing an app from Android/iOS/WP 7.x so it can run on Win RT
3. As above but from x86/64 platforms...
I know about whole ARM thing. I was just curious if microsoft allows us to run our own desktop apps if they are compiled properly.
I very much doubt that.
Those of you who will have such need will be able to do so under dev accounts. To all the rest both modes will stay shut.
This way Ms will be able to make cash from its Windows Store.
Since they had to keep Win Pro open, because hardly anyone would swap from XP/Vista/7 it is not the case with RT.
Ms can follow footsteps of iOS and Android.
More intresting to me is how long will it tkate to brake this (RT) system...
Before I buy WP8, I want to use it first. Easiest way is to use WP8 emulator on my PC. I know that its not as much smooth, but it doesn't matter, I just want to check what kind of functionality it offers.
So, if there's a WP8 emulator, please provide a link to download and also a tutorial on how to install it.
I have heard that a WP8 on Virtual box on windows 8 gives trouble.?? Also I've heard that WP8 emulator has much hardware requirements??
I've run an Android ICS emulator on my PC to check what it has to offer. Please help for WP8.
Windows Phone 8 emulator runs as a virtual machine on Hyper-V.
For Hyper-V on Windows 8, your BIOS must support Second Level Address Translation (SLAT).
If your computer meets these requirements, you can try out WP8 emulator by downloading the WP SDK 8.0 from here:
http://dev.windowsphone.com/en-us/downloadsdk
You should note that the Emulator is not quite representative of the OS as it lacks some feature support as well. So in the end: you won't really get a feel for the capabilities an actual phone offers by having a look at the Emulator.
you may even find app layouts look different in the emulator than compared to the actual phone. Seen it happening.
Or just go into a store with wp8 on display
not that hard
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