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Some of you are morons....

I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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this summarizes a good amount of people that post in the xoom section of these forums

But...but...but...my XOOM DOES make toast!

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you new when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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Jesus Christ, another sane one on this forum.
I must say I completely agree.
To the rest, you realize the negativity from your posts are driving away developers from this device don't you? They don't want to be mired with insipid, childish comments.
There ARE workaround for everything, and if there aren't its our job to come up with it. Case in point-> Google Voice guy that did the titanium backup-good on you man.

BlazinGTI said:
Jesus Christ, another sane one on this forum.
I must say I completely agree.
To the rest, you realize the negativity from your posts are driving away developers from this device don't you? They don't want to be mired with insipid, childish comments.
There ARE workaround for everything, and if there aren't its our job to come up with it. Case in point-> Google Voice guy that did the titanium backup-good on you man.
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I think its the price that is driving away developers.
And there are valid criticisms of the device just like any device. That is all.

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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You mad bro?
I love my Xoom but you're just regurgitating feelings at this point
BTW your point about RDP... it's really not bad if you dont have a mouse provided you don't expect the freakin world out of it. Getting into quickbooks is great from it, save my file as a PDF to my intranet and then pull it up from the tablet browser and e-mail it to the customer

muyoso said:
I think its the price that is driving away developers.
And there are valid criticisms of the device just like any device. That is all.
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That too definitely, the WiFi version will hopefully bring these guys on board.
Google has been doing everything in its power to sway these guys to the point of giving away Xoom's at the developer summit.

richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
1. It doesn't run my favorite APP from my cell phone.
It's not a effing cell phone, when I switched from windows 3.1 to windows 98, guess what, some of the programs I had didn't run any more, that didn't mean that windows 98 was bad, just that the program was not designed with that operating system in mind and it took a while for the programmers to catch up.
2. It's not a PC.
Ya and guess what, it's not a toaster or a effing laptop, nor a fridgerator. If you are trying to run an application such as RDP that was built for a PC interface with a mouse and keyboard, guess what, it is probably going to be more difficult to use, you could buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to make it easier, but then it's not a tablet anymore, it's an effing 10.1 inch screen with a keyboard and mouse (ass monkey).
3. It's not perfect, or It doesn't come with flash, or the SD card is not enabled.
Holy ef, you knew when you bought the dammed thing that it was a new device and new operating system, did Microsoft ever get it right on the first try, did apple (please somebody argue that and I will be forced to bring up the first Mac crap operating system problems and iPhone 4).
4. Wait there are no tablet apps.
Do you remmber the Ipad release, they also had very little actual tablet apps, but they also had some of the iPhone apps that worked and people were willing to wait on the tablet apps to surface, guess what, we live in the same reality, not effing wizard of Oz land, although I do think you've been tripping among the poppies a little too much.
5. Hey, wait a sec I saw a post you made that said some bad things.
No ass monkey, I pointed out some problems I personal had using the device to 10 tenths of its ability, and I said that and mentioned that I fully expected most of the problems to be fixed with software updates, which I AM WILLING TO WAIT FOR! because I DID NOT EXPECT PERFECTION!
6. Well I expect perfecton,.
Well great then, as a video I once saw said (internet help desk), go buy an effing apple, it's a computer made for morons, I mean daddy's. They lock you into their hardware, their software, and their apps, guess what, eventally, more apps will be available for the more open system, has to be that way, and you will be stuck in the prison that is apple, don't drop the soap.
That is all.
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and this justifies all the Xoom shortcomings how?
the fact is that while what you mentioned is partly true, a device that cost on excess of $800 should not be half-baked. there some issues with the xoom as there were some issues with the ipad however, for a device that was suppose to dethrone the ipad it has fallen way short.

Dont know about toast but mine makes home made icecream.

neonflx said:
and this justifies all the Xoom shortcomings how?
the fact is that while what you mentioned is partly true, a device that cost on excess of $800 should not be half-baked. there some issues with the xoom as there were some issues with the ipad however, for a device that was suppose to dethrone the ipad it has fallen way short.
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Then don't buy it.
I don't like many of the short comings of the new electric cars that are coming out, so I didn't buy one. I also don't hang out at the electric car forums complaining about them. But that's just me...

arrtoodeetoo said:
But...but...but...my XOOM DOES make toast!
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ROFL Funny Stuff!

My account is old, but I lurk more than post (this'll be my 5th since creating the account in Dec 2007.) I haven't been reading here much lately because I got my N1 decked out and set up how i want it many moons ago. ROM Manager spoonfeeds me my CM RCs and stables and I go about my bidness, so I haven't been reading posts around here in several moons.
But I recently became a happy little Xoom owner so I've been dropping by for answers and tips over the weekend. And I've been a little concerned with the quality of the traffic in the Xoom section. As if mainstreamy publications' websites have been sending people here. Or maybe even links somewhere on AOL pointing to these forums.
Too bad the Xoom launch wasn't as low key as the N1 launch was. Too much mainstream media attention and twitter giveways brings in the unwashed masses.
So I was very relieved to see this aptly ranting post. The post and supportive responses have reassured me that the inmates have not actually taken over the asylum. It's good to see there are still people helping each other do stuff with their devices and that the complaining and trolling from fans of other OSes are indeed exceptions, not the norm.
so... yeah.

Well said. I have noticed the downward spiral on the xoom boards as well. With that being said, everyone needs to take a deep breath, understand that we all knew about what was going to be available at launch. Even before the hardware was released, I saw a difference in posts on these boards. Look, if you're unhappy with your purchase, them take it back... too easy. This board isn't for complaining about the xoom, that's the official motorola boards, so go there and talk to people who might care if you return it.
I am very impressed with my xoom, and cannot wait for it to mature beyond its current form.

Once some of the hype and crap dies down, all the trolls will leave too, and it will be just like any other device board. Just give it a little time for people to get the devices and post real things on these boards.
Maybe eventually it will move away from "omg I Love/Hate my Xoom" and "Xoom vs. iPad, Fight!" threads.

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Look how happy people are because of honeycomb... xoom is bi-winning
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Ha! Speak for yourself as you certainly don't speak for me. I don't need someone to explain it for me so does that make you the moron?

The main reason devs are staying away is that asop code from google hasn't been released yet.
We need to keep the pressure up on them moto and google or we'll be waiting 6 months or more for these fixes, like we had to wait for flash to drop with are og droids.
I'm still waiting for gingerbread to drop on my droid 2. I'll probably won't see it before I buy a new phone.
The squeaky wheel gets greased. Silent patience gets ignored. That's just the way the world works.
Just look at the healthcare debate. More attention was paid to hysterical teabaggers than to reasoned argument to the point where real healthcare reform was nearly totally neutered.
Had the og droid release been as bungled as the xoom, moto would be bankupt by now, and iOS would be the number one smartphone OS.
Google and Motorola got to get their asses in gear, before all this bad word of mouth kills high-end android tablet sales for the near future, and all that's left of the android tablet market is rooted nooks, and low end shoddy chinese tablets.
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BlazinGTI said:
That too definitely, the WiFi version will hopefully bring these guys on board.
Google has been doing everything in its power to sway these guys to the point of giving away Xoom's at the developer summit.
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Google does that often... When the Nexus 1 came out, they gave out a couple thousand as I recall...
And, the flood of tablets are coming. The app builders will build as soon as possible so they can be the first available. The developers know android is an extremely viable market. there is a great future ahead on the big screen... Give a couple months. Even the venerable iplate had many growing pains when first released but most people forget that.

kurttrail said:
The main reason devs are staying away is that asop code from google hasn't been released yet.
We need to keep the pressure up on them moto and google or we'll be waiting 6 months or more for these fixes, like we had to wait for flash to drop with are og droids.
I'm still waiting for gingerbread to drop on my droid 2. I'll probably won't see it before I buy a new phone.
The squeaky wheel gets greased. Silent patience gets ignored. That's just the way the world works.
Just look at the healthcare debate. More attention was paid to hysterical teabaggers than to reasoned argument to the point where real healthcare reform was nearly totally neutered.
Had the og droid release been as bungled as the xoom, moto would be bankupt by now, and iOS would be the number one smartphone OS.
Google and Motorola got to get their asses in gear, before all this bad word of mouth kills high-end android tablet sales for the near future, and all that's left of the android tablet market is rooted nooks, and low end shoddy chinese tablets.
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AOSP ASAP
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Loving mine!
richardjr said:
I say this as someone who has great experience with multiple operating systems from windows 3.1 on, Mac, Linux, and stuff even older.
A heck of alot of the complaints I see belong in the realm of, "It doesn't make toast", well guess what it's not a toaster.
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Well said! I don't get these people its like they think something else is miles ahead of Xoom. There isn't! the Ipad is the Ipad and I am not going to get into comparing the two. Yea the Xoom is expensive, yes it's cutting edge so it's not as polished. The Xoom is great hardware it's tough for anyone to say it's not wicked fast, the battery life is good, the screen has the highest resolution of ANY tablet. It's only going to get better once the software matures a little.
They all claim they are going to return it, what are they going to get after they return it thats better? Are they just feeling a little remorse because they really couldn't afford it to begin with? You have to pay to play, the "best" computer equipment is always at a premium.
I am tickled pink with mine, and sure when someone else comes out with a better tablet (they will) I will want that one but for now I am loving being on the cutting edge and being there at the start even if it does cost me.
Dan

Sony Granted Access to Two Years of Geohot's PayPal Records

Read this over on modmyi.com Do you think this is fair?http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/754963-sony-granted-access-two-years-geohots-paypal-records.html
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On March 5th, we reported that Federal Magistrate Joseph Spero officially authorized Sony to subpoena Geohot's web provider to secure the official log of IP addresses that visited GeoHot.com between January 2009 and early 2011. In addition to Sony being given access to this information, the PS3 maker is about to delve even deeper into Geohot's personal records. This week Sony was also granted access rights to all of Geohot's PayPal records for 2009, 2010, and even January of 2011.
The reason Sony was given access to Geohot's personal PayPal log is the same reason the company was similarly handed all of the other data it requested. According to Sony, the information will help determine whether the company should sue George "Geohot" Hotz in New Jersey or San Francisco. NJ is Geohot's home state, but San Francisco is where his jailbreak files were allegedly most downloaded (plus, San Francisco is also close to Sony headquarters and a trial close to home would be nice).
If you're scratching your head on this one, you're not alone. After all, Sony is looking into more than 24 months of PayPal records even though the primary hack they're upset about is only a few months old. Nonetheless, even on the heels of Sony's latest over-the-top effort to publicly embarrass Geohot in front of the entire jailbreaking community, few are expressing outrage over Sony's ability to acquire this relatively sensitive information all for the sake of "making an example" out of a lone 21-year-old hacker.

All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.

Rippley05 said:
All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.
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+1 Damn Right.

Rippley05 said:
All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.
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I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?

knowledge561 said:
I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?
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Sure you should be able to do what you want with your ps3, but only if it doesn't affect others. aka hacks in game which arent possible without a jail broken counsel if i understand it correctly.

Rippley05 said:
All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
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I didn't know that was possible. How can you hack online play to benefit the gamer?
Edit: Let me rephrase that. Not how do I hack it in the sense of I want to do it, but what benefits or advantages can you get from this? I thought it was just to burn games and for reverse compatibility with older PS games.

knowledge561 said:
I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?
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From the link you posted.
"Geohot's hack just allowed a bypass of the system to stop checking for official Sony signed programs which allows you to fully use the system to run your own code and such which really opens the door to homebrew applications."
He may or may not have wrote any hacks or cheats, who knows. He did make it possible for others to do it for the sake of "homebrew" apps.
The problem with your argument of "it's yours do what you want" is this... Your ps3 is yours and you paid for it, my ps3 is mine and I paid for it. When you start doing things to yours that completely ruin my experience when playing.. then it's an issue. If people only hacked the game that didn't involve online play, nobody would say anything. The fact that some powerful hacks/mods that I won't even get into here made it's way to the online play is what the major problem here is.
Besides, you bought your ps3 so you do own the system.. you do NOT own the OS it runs. If you want to develop and code your own version to play on your own network.. then you can do anything you want. Just because you bought a ps3 doesn't mean you own any portion of their OS or the PSN.. so no, you can't do anything you want.

rugedraw said:
I didn't know that was possible. How can you hack online play to benefit the gamer?
Edit: Let me rephrase that. Not how do I hack it in the sense of I want to do it, but what benefits or advantages can you get from this? I thought it was just to burn games and for reverse compatibility with older PS games.
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In games like modern warfare 2 there were wall hacks, aimbot hacks, god mode hacks.. I mean you name it, they had it. It was a joke.
Hack YOUR game all you want, but stick to the part of it that isn't online. When you code things to work on the PSN and ruin it for me and thousands of other people... there is a problem with that. I didn't pay for my ps3 and my games just to go online and get cheated by some 12 year old watching tutorials on youtube on how to enable godmode.
Go check out the callofduty.com forums sometime, the ps3 section. Granted it is full of kids who are crying about everything in the game.. but it also full of people who have been banned for jailbreaking their ps3.

Rippley05 said:
From the link you posted.
"Geohot's hack just allowed a bypass of the system to stop checking for official Sony signed programs which allows you to fully use the system to run your own code and such which really opens the door to homebrew applications."
He may or may not have wrote any hacks or cheats, who knows. He did make it possible for others to do it for the sake of "homebrew" apps.
The problem with your argument of "it's yours do what you want" is this... Your ps3 is yours and you paid for it, my ps3 is mine and I paid for it. When you start doing things to yours that completely ruin my experience when playing.. then it's an issue. If people only hacked the game that didn't involve online play, nobody would say anything. The fact that some powerful hacks/mods that I won't even get into here made it's way to the online play is what the major problem here is.
Besides, you bought your ps3 so you do own the system.. you do NOT own the OS it runs. If you want to develop and code your own version to play on your own network.. then you can do anything you want. Just because you bought a ps3 doesn't mean you own any portion of their OS or the PSN.. so no, you can't do anything you want.
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Well played sir!

Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Kstarz said:
Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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And anyone caught cheating or modding will be banned, just go check out some of the forums and you will see. There will definitely be cheats, only now there are ways to report these cheats and people are being console banned. Keep cheating, eventually you'll get tired of buying a new ps3 everytime you get console banned... that helps me "get over it"
You don't have to agree with me, doesn't really matter if you don't. Sony is taking big steps to cut out hacking.. and you don't have to like that either.. but I guess you'll just have to "get over it".

Kstarz said:
Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Pretty much true. They should have hired his ass. I heard that Sony tried to interview the creator of Clockwork Mod Recovery also but he denied. Sticking it to the man...

Kstarz said:
Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Sounds like someone needs to cheat to be competitive.

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Pretty much true. They should have hired his ass. I heard that Sony tried to interview the creator of Clockwork Mod Recovery also but he denied. Sticking it to the man...
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At any given time you can go online in Call of Duty:Black Ops and have anywhere from 300,00 to 700,00 people playing. Sometimes more than that.. so well over a million people play this game online.
IF I have to explain how hiring a guy who made it possible to, at the very least, "piss off" the majority of these people would be a bad business move.. then I won't even try.

He wasnt really creating it to be a entry to online cheating. He just wanted a backwards compatible console with 3rd party and homebrew apps. Why not share that with the online community who want to customize their system? Theres been cheating on ps3 way before he jailbroke it. Im pretty sure of that.

Yeah he did open doors for homebrew code; I can remember playing mw2 and people had wall hacks(could see enemy thru walls) ,getting nukes in 4 kill care package killstreaks(nuke is 25 kills without dying lol) ,so much hacking it was just insane. Black ops team does a find job with Modding, you mod/hack you get the banhammer in less than 24 hours. That kid is a freaking genius though.
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halorin said:
Sounds like someone needs to cheat to be competitive.
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Fyi I don't own a PlayStation so yes call me a cheater all day long but lol at you and I also do not care if anybody agrees with me but are Sony turning into apple ? money grabbing at every opportunity even skanking a 21 year old.
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He wasnt really creating it to be a entry to online cheating. He just wanted a backwards compatible console with 3rd party and homebrew apps. Why not share that with the online community who want to customize their system? Theres been cheating on ps3 way before he jailbroke it. Im pretty sure of that.
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Come on, Geo is a smart guy. He's smart enough to know what he was enabling. I'm not saying the guy should be set on fire.. but something needed to be done to stop it.
Anyone who wants to play old ps2 games that bad, go get a friggin ps2, they are dirt cheap these days. The ps3 security was pretty solid before this jailbreak, I won't say it was hack free, but not the overwhelming mess it was the last few months. Go youtube some hacked lobbies on modern warefare2, it was a disaster and I'm not joking.

But still. I mean c'mon. They are suing the crap out of this guy for bs. Okay he found a way to penetrate your walls, fix the damn walls completely and stop pushing crappy weekly updates that do nothing. Since they have money, they trying to set the hacking community straight and scare us.
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But still. I mean c'mon. They are suing the crap out of this guy for bs. Okay he found a way to penetrate your walls, fix the damn walls completely and stop pushing crappy weekly updates that do nothing. Since they have money, they trying to set the hacking community straight and scare us.
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Why shouldn't they set them straight? If every game you've ever bought online was hacked into things that were just "silly", then eventually people would just stop buying them at all.
They need to tighten up their "walls" but if they don't lay the smackdown on people who "penetrate the walls" then fixing them will not be enough. There will always be people trying to hack the ever loving crap out of it unless they start coming down hard on those people.
Geo is still young and I agree that he's a damn genius when it comes to this stuff. If he starts using his talents for something useful, then he will be perfectly fine..
**edit** Another thing here.. we aren't talking about a random hacker here and there. No, not at all. Geo made it pretty simple for people to hack/mod the ps3. Some games, like mw2, were completely overrun with hackers... completely. It was only a matter of time before it made it's way to every online game out there, unless it was taken care of early on.. like they are trying to do.

Goodbye ASUS and Android

No more ASUS for me

Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.

Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".

just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.

If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"

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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.

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I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"

just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm

Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine

His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha

Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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No ICS for Sony Ericsson Xperia Play. Boycott Sony

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This page is for people disappointed by S/Fonys (formerly Sony Ericsson) decision to pull the Xperia Play from the ICS update list, several months after committing to it.
For those Xperia Play users our there, make sure Sony knows you won't forget this and won't just be walked over.
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget

LordBattleBeard said:
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget
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Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.

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Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.
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Just because they already got our money for the Xperia Play doesn't mean we can't deny them any future custom.
If its a choice out of doing something but failing or doing nothing and being a doormat, I choose the former. Each to their own.

I'll be getting the Hayabusa.

Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.

Leraeniesh said:
Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.
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Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys

LordBattleBeard said:
Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys
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What's with this sense of entitlement? You bought a product. You didn't sign a contract. Sony can make any call they want. As much as you don't like it, Sony did it to help xperia users. You'd probably want to boycott Sony if they released ICS and it was worse than gingerbread. Just cut the crap with these stupid threads.
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I bought the xplay on the commitment given by sony that the phone would see the ICS update. Sure, no contract but definitely covered under consumer law here in the UK.
As much as you don't like it, not everyone believes every word Sony says as if its holy scripture. Nor does everyone believe that they put enough effort into fulfilling their commitment to update the device.
To answer your last comment; no.

Boycott???
Please, grow up.

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Join the boycott.
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Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.

Miles Wolf said:
Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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KeiranFTW said:
Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work

Miles Wolf said:
Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Always bound to hit a nerve with some fanboys. Come again
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Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.
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If your fine with the news, good for you, im glad. As it happens, some of us aren't, that's ok also... see how that works?
You need to realize that not everyone shares your every opinion or view on some things, deal with it
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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This. Though you forgot to mention the YLOD on the original phat PS3s.
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Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work
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No ones forcing anyone to join the boycott mate. Your entitled to your own views on the matter and I respect that.
As for Sony releasing their source for it, I'd say there is more chance in Syria stop killing their own people. Not very likely in other words.

I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.

KeiranFTW said:
Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
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Let's start from the beginning. The Play, from a pure hardware view, can run ICS. Sony, HTC and other companies are releasing hardware with ICS and lower specs than the Play (Tapioca, Desire C). We've seen that the beta runs mighty fine in the performance department, and it's obvious that the job can be finished if Sony cares to do so.
However, this is a matter of the gaming ecosystem. In short: the only companies Sony cares about are the big names like EA, Gameloft, Rockstar, etc. as they make the big majority of the Play game sales.
However, with regard to development, the Play is not important to those big names: they see it as "the redheaded stepchild Android", because they have to make extra effort to make it work with the game pads, instead of easily deploying the code in it like they do in the whole different platforms they code for (not only mobile phones, but smart TV's, console-related app stores, Steam and so on). Sony bribed those big developers with a lot of cash (remember all those free EA games and temporary exclusives?) so that the Play remained visible.
Fast forward to now. Gingerbread is present in a good 60% of Android Play Store-running hardware. ICS has only like.a 4%. Android is the best selling platform, with, let's say 500 million active devices. If my numbers are not wrong, that gives 300M GB devices 20M ICS ones. Developing with ICS in mind implies higher development costs, because you have to study the new features and use them. And of course, big name developers target wide audiences: by default they'll program with Gingerbread in mind, so they couldn't care less about ICS right now.
Someone mentioned Windows 7 incompatibility with old games: there is actually a Compatibility mode which was mainly designed for the purpose of using older games. Now Steam has taken care of that, which suits MS fine.
With the ICS upgrade, Sony probably contacted their "partners" and asked them to update their software (basically switch from the Sony custom gamepad framework to Google's standard one which Sony probably contributed themselves) for it to work properly in ICS, like they do in Sony gaming platforms. But unlike the PlayStations, it's those big name developers who are in control now, particularly in Android. Therefore, they showed Sony the middle finger.
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TL;DR this is a power struggle between Sony and the big name game developers. The latter have won here, at the expense of the users. Support independent developers but make sure they don't make the "big name" status, because they'll get the need to control everything and screw users like this.
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So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.

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Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?

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I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.
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Precisely this. I suspect people wouldn't have been half as mad if they hadn't promised it beforehand. I certainly wouldn't have been because I simply wouldn't have bought it without some sort of commitment to at least one big update. It was the last and most important factor in why I took the plunge and bought the phone.
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First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.
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Your view is based on taking Sony on their word. I have a hard time trusting them on it for various reasons, least of which because it just sounds like a half arsed excuse to me.
As for the beta, the idea of a beta is to find problems and bugs and make efforts towards resolving them with further builds, when did that happen? we sure as hell didn't see or hear about that happening. It seems to me as though the Sony dev dept realised it wouldnt just be a simple bodge job with the Play and bailed out without any real effort at it. Again, this is my view... you're welcome to disagree.
Although I didn't make that point, and I do agree that they are ofcourse different things, the two incidents were handled by the same company and so the reputation carries and is relevent.
Onto the YLOD, good for you... nobody I know with a 1st gen PS3 was so lucky (myself included). Do a quick search on ebay and see how many PS3s are being sold as faulty with the YLOD issue.
I couldn't care less whether these issues are linked to Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, whoever... loyalty to any company is a mugs game. I'll take issue when any of them when they take decisions that I don't agree with.
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Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?
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Very familiar. Its actions like these that don't instil trust and reinforce peoples reluctance to trust them on their word.

I don't want to be taking sides. But there are still people who don't want to gamble with flashing custom ROMS and stick to 'stock-with-a-little-mod' ROMS. And by that I mean stock ROM with bloatware removed, launcher modified, and the like.
Just like me. For now I don't think I could gamble with playing around with my phone. Nonetheless, I think I'm pretty satisfied with the GB I have now. I admit I'm a lil disappointed with Sony pulling the plug on the Xperia PLAY. But hell, I'm contented with my GB. I don't think I can stand a day with my phone showing off epic UI but can't even properly play my games. After all, the PLAY was supposed to show off with games, not some fancy UI. End of story.

Who Here Back The Ouya?

I did, can't wait to get it. I'm going to have a great time with emus

I did! Really looking forward to this system and really excited this is on XDA, can't wait to see what you fine people can do with it!

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I did! Really looking forward to this system and really excited this is on XDA, can't wait to see what you fine people can do with it!
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Agreed!!

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Agreed!!
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Ugh darn PayPal issues. Okay I'm reserving mine on Monday. Does anyone know "about" when I'd receive mine? Sucks that I missed the Feb 4th deal.

I am one of the original backers as well and I'm extremely excited! Dedicated system for emulators, indie games, media, all in a small cheap package. I mean I could hookup my phone/laptop to the tv and find some bluetooth controller but this is more convenient. One could also argue I could buy a more powerful HTPC, I could, but I bought an Ouya. :3

i am a backer too and i agree i could have gone with other things but this is cheap small easy to use and setup and take anywhere. and most of all its a leap in gaming for those that want light games and entertainment. i plan on taking mine to my friends house all the time, or modding my motorola lapdock to use this on the go anywhere. i have lots of ideas and plans for mine.

yeah i also backed the ouya and im excited for it. i didnt want the "special edition" one because i didnt like the colour. i also got 2 controllers for it

I backed it with $99 on Day 1. THen rebacked it for $130 when they offered the bronze one.

I discourage Ouya.
It's bound to be an utter failure.
E: Only die-hard Android nerds will buy it.
The argument "we want to get people back to television" is horribly biased and makes me laugh like a damn choker.
There is plenty of consoles out there today, yet no consumer seems to give much of a damn about "openness" of the console.
Of course they don't. They want games, not source code, GPIO and extensive customization possibilities.
E2: I never backed next-gen consoles. They break the purpose and meaning of the word "console".

well i didn't think much about it until i logged in here the other day and it was as the top of the forum... now kinda wishing i had of... oh well

bagnz0r said:
I discourage Ouya.
It's bound to be an utter failure.
E: Only die-hard Android nerds will buy it.
The argument "we want to get people back to television" is horribly biased and makes me laugh like a damn choker.
There is plenty of consoles out there today, yet no consumer seems to give much of a damn about "openness" of the console.
Of course they don't. They want games, not source code, GPIO and extensive customization possibilities.
E2: I never backed next-gen consoles. They break the purpose and meaning of the word "console".
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I'm not a die-hard Android nerd, nor much of a hacker yet I backed it.
The OUYA will be great as a media center to access all sorts of digital content on a TV as well as acting as a gaming console for less hard core gaming. I currently use a ROKU to access Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc and will replace that with this. Console gaming is far down the list of reasons I wanted the OUYA, but I am excited to see what might come out once it releases.

I'm a day one (maybe two) backer. I'm neither all excited or doom and gloom on it either.
The reason I did it, it looked interesting. Two, I'm hoping maybe it or something similar will catch on and give an alternative to the major consoles--Playstation, xbox, nintendo--or PC (can be expensive to keep hardware up to date. Three, the market can use something like this so the independent guy or small company can have a low entry point into getting into the gaming market beyond the mobile device There are a lot of people with good ideas, but don't have the financial resources to try the idea. Last, it was only $100, so the cost was quite minimal.
There are some good games on the mobile platform. Some that could be fun on the TV such as Shadowrun. I think developers could make something even better if the platform could support it.
I'm not saying I expect the graphics to up with the 360, PS3 or next versions of these. But as the Wii showed, if you have a fun game to play, people are willing to play with lower graphics.
Plus, I think it will be interesting to see what other people, such as the XDA community, will be able to do with it as well since it's suppose to be open. Another bonus will be able to use the other media services on Android such as Netflix, Hulu Plus, Plex, Crackle, MLB, NHL, NBA, and so forth. This is assuming side loading APKs should be relatively easy and the APK plays nice. It won't replace a HTPC, but maybe a set top box.

Have one shipping soon to my place! Can't wait.

Mine will be here before end of April. Can't wait!

I backed Ouya during its kick starter campaign. Looking forward to my kick starter limited edition with my user name stamped on it and its 2 controller
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I'm not a die-hard Android nerd, nor much of a hacker yet I backed it.
The OUYA will be great as a media center to access all sorts of digital content on a TV as well as acting as a gaming console for less hard core gaming. I currently use a ROKU to access Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc and will replace that with this. Console gaming is far down the list of reasons I wanted the OUYA, but I am excited to see what might come out once it releases.
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That could be a pretty valid use, but there's bunch of good set-top boxes out there. Cheaper than Ouya too.

Did Cant wait to play!

+1 for ouya
Actually i want to raise a $99 on their kickstarter campaign, but i was too late to have a pledge on their site. But defnitely give it a try when it is out in our market since this doesnt make a hole in our pocket

I backed this when it was on Kickstarter. I have a hard time accepting prophecy from someone who didn't pick up any recent consoles because you're out of touch with the direction of gaming. This isn't an insult and I totally get your response but you're missing out on the evolution of games and gaming.
For 99 bucks, I'm willing to risk it to see how it turns out. You can say "I told you so" and it will only sting up to 99 dollars worth of pain.
What I don't like is that they plan on releasing a new console every year and at 99 bucks a pop, it's still cheaper to pick up the current/next gen console.

Yep I backed it. Least its paid for. Also grabbed a 2nd controller. Just waiting on them to ship out. =)
Only thing that annoyed me on Kickstarter... didnt know this till LATER.. Is that we KS people.. didnt get a discount on the Ouya.. its the same as "preorder" price for everyone else.. which does make me feel lil cheated.. We backed the project, but didnt get any perks for the normal order.