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Netflix coming to snapdragon phones

Here

Yay for EVO's everywhere!

Pretty cool.....gadgets galore!!!!!

You know who I wish had a streaming app? The redbox. If you arent familiar with it its like a big red box they sit out in certain stores, mostly walmarts and walgreens here to where you can rent movies for $1. The releases come out wayyyyyy sooner than Netflix gets them.

redbox is ok, i prefer netflix. can't wait for this. i'm surprised someone hasn't hacked an iphone port over yet. (although they might have, i've had my evo for 4 days )

I believe Netflix is keeping people from driving under the influence. Redbox doesn't have seasons of TV shows either. but i do go to redbox for the new releases

Can't wait!
I personally go to redbox for new releases, netflix streaming for odd movies and tv shows, and blockboster if I want to watch an old movie.
I still can't believe blockbuster is even in business. I think it's 4.99 to rent a dvd.

Don't hold your breath folks. Like the Verizon Skype or NFL apps, it's probably going to be carrier specific. Because why make a good product available to everyone, when you can nickel and dime them for features?

never really stopped us before has it

drmacinyasha said:
Don't hold your breath folks. Like the Verizon Skype or NFL apps, it's probably going to be carrier specific. Because why make a good product available to everyone, when you can nickel and dime them for features?
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To me thats poor marketing. The I phone for instance was only at at&t it sold alot there but now apple is taking it to verizon too and its gonna double their sales. Why hold something thats capable of making goo bud money to one source. Its great for the people selling the product but the producer is crippling their self. I can understand testing the waters before you dive in so I guess I just made no sense. Lol. Everyone may be dumber for reading this post and I apologize.

shdwboy said:
To me thats poor marketing. The I phone for instance was only at at&t it sold alot there but now apple is taking it to verizon too and its gonna double their sales. Why hold something thats capable of making goo bud money to one source. Its great for the people selling the product but the producer is crippling their self. I can understand testing the waters before you dive in so I guess I just made no sense. Lol. Everyone may be dumber for reading this post and I apologize.
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While common sense says it's bad, the big media companies are all retarded and do this. It's the same reason you have DRM on media and games, why you have to wait a month to get movies through Netflix or Redbox, why Netflix's online selection is smaller than their DVD selection, and so on.
You might want to read TechDirt for more info.

Netflix would be good, right now I have hulu getting me by.
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*SIGH* Its decided, Back you go XOOM

I just finished arranging my Xoom in its original packaging and placed it back in its Verizon bag to go back as soon as tomorrow. Unfortunately after some heated internal debating ive decided that the Xoom is not the Tablet for me.
My first experience with Android was with my beloved EVO 4G and ive since become very fond of its in and outs. I hoped i would feel the same way with the Xoom and Android in Tablet form. Unfortunately some glaring ommisions and simply blatant misguided intentions keep me from loving what is an otherwise spectacular piece of hardware.
First off, for a device that claims to be a true Ipad competitor one of the most important areas to address is MEDIA. My mom has an Ipad 3g that i purchased and set up for her and everything runs flawlessly in its limited ecosystem. The Xoom while a much more capable piece of hardware is severely lacking in its implemented media delivery system. How a tablet could even be shipped without a dedicated video player is just beyond absurd to me(im sorry GALLERY is NOT the first place anyone would look to find movies) That wouldnt even be so bad if it weren't for the fact that getting movies on your device is simple enough but watching them is a downright chore. On the Ipad most video formats arent supported, but with one simple app i was able to load any movie i wanted and play it without the hassle of Itunes compatability. Xoom on the other hand has had me spend HOURS converting and researching Video files and codecs and converters just to get a movie to play on my Xoom without the framerate of dialup porn in the 90's. Ive made great progress with this as well, but why should i have to? If i werent me and i were just your average consumer i would be completely lost and frustrated.
So right out the gate weve got a
-4G tablet with NO 4G(pending)
-Expandable Memory(Pending)
-Flash Support(Pending)
-HD Video support(De-Pending on how computer savvy you are)
But ultimately the True Nail in the coffin for me was VERIZON. I chose to go the subsidized route due to the absence of a WiFi only option. I figured i was getting the WiFI version/price plus 3G if i wanted it. But after some hard thinking i realized.... I HATE VERIZON. We have a sordid past involving a cellphone i once had( a MOTOROLA btw, first and only ive ever owned) that wound up leaving me permanently soured on that particular carrier. So the fact that i was so anxious to get a Xoom that i actually got back in bed with these guys took a couple of days to set in. But being that im an avid early adopter i decided i could not be contractually obligated to a first Gen piece of hardware for two years.
I truly believe that the Xoom has potential up the wahzoo. But i cant allow myself to be suckered into playing the waiting game like some lonely side piece waiting for their lover to drop the axe on his marriage. I think there is a place for the Xoom in my life, but only in Wifi form and @ $600 unsubsidized. Once that becomes a reality then i will likely be back for seconds. Until then ill have to swallow my $70 restocking fee but atleast ill be $580 richer and VERIZONless. isnt thats what relly matters in the end?

So... if i read that right.. Your one complaint that you didn't know about before hand was the video player. That's totally understandable.
The rest of it is just plain *****ing, you knew about all of those things BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT and you're just coming here to ***** for no reason.
Sorry I'm just so tired of these posts, everyone knows what the xoom is/isn't capable of, yet they go and pay $800 then ***** about it non stop.

Some people like to buy things, play with them for a week, and then decide to return them based on things they knew when they bought them. Then they come on forums and complain about a device they no longer own.
What kind of responses do you want, do you want us to feel sorry for you?
And let me get this straight....you payed $799 for the Xoom, and now your going to pay a $70 restocking fee. Yet an $600 WiFi only model 2 months down the road sounds good to you? What?

you are one pissed off dude

Bauxite said:
So... if i read that right.. Your one complaint that you didn't know about before hand was the video player. That's totally understandable.
The rest of it is just plain *****ing, you knew about all of those things BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT and you're just coming here to ***** for no reason.
Sorry I'm just so tired of these posts, everyone knows what the xoom is/isn't capable of, yet they go and pay $800 then ***** about it non stop.
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Actually no one knows that the Xoom isn't capable of playing back what everyone would consider HD media, because they sell it on this point in every commercial without feeling the need to clarify that its only in their VERY specific and unused form of 720p and 1080p that videos actually play. Everyone who asks me about the Xoom is surprised to hear that its dual core processor and eight core GPU is incapable of playing back HD h.264 in high profile, which is what everyone has. And it IS a Tegra 2 issue. I had an owner of a Notion Ink test on video that a high profile video is incapable of being played on the Notion Ink, so the claim made by multiple people here that its a lack of codecs for the Xoom seems to be false. The video is posted in the general section.
As for the other issues, yea the OP pretty much spent money on something knowing its shortcomings and is complaining about his bad decision. And how do you sign a 2 year contract with a company that you hate???

muyoso said:
Actually no one knows that the Xoom isn't capable of playing back what everyone would consider HD media, because they sell it on this point in every commercial without feeling the need to clarify that its only in their VERY specific and unused form of 720p and 1080p that videos actually play. Everyone who asks me about the Xoom is surprised to hear that its dual core processor and eight core GPU is incapable of playing back HD h.264 in high profile, which is what everyone has. And it IS a Tegra 2 issue. I had an owner of a Notion Ink test on video that a high profile video is incapable of being played on the Notion Ink, so the claim made by multiple people here that its a lack of codecs for the Xoom seems to be false. The video is posted in the general section.
As for the other issues, yea the OP pretty much got spent money on something knowing its shortcomings and is complaining about his bad decision.
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That's what I meant when I said there was one issue he didn't know about.

That's what I love about android it doesn't hold your hand and wipe your ass so to speak. Its and operating system that is full customizable. Hell you couldn't even change the wallpaper on an iPhone for years.....
The lack of video player makes sense but the fact that you can download any player out want makes up for it. Rockplayer lite can play pretty much any video you can throw at it.

SKReeettttt... hold [email protected]!!
I was merely pointing out the main points to why im choosing to return my XOOM but i just figured my post was long enough without tunring this into a miniseries. I dont expect any sympathy. I totally admit that i made a choice and in the end decided that it wasnt the right choice for me, thats all. Im allowed to change my mind arent i?. No i didnt pay 799. I payed 599(subsidized) which meant ill be on contract with Verizon for 2 years until the Ipad 4 comes out (not cool).
I did all of my homework before making this purchase. But even given that info without any solid confirmations from a number of companies until literally the 11th hour alot of it was guesswork. So i became my own guinea pig and if all it costs me is 70 bucks i think i got off easy.

verusevo said:
SKReeettttt... hold [email protected]!!
I was merely pointing out the main points to why im choosing to return my XOOM but i just figured my post was long enough without tunring this into a miniseries. I dont expect any sympathy. I totally admit that i made a choice and in the end decided that it wasnt the right choice for me, thats all. Im allowed to change my mind arent i?. No i didnt pay 799. I payed 599(subsidized) which meant ill be on contract with Verizon for 2 years until the Ipad 4 comes out (not cool).
I did all of my homework before making this purchase. But even given that info without any solid confirmations from a number of companies until literally the 11th hour alot of it was guesswork. So i became my own guinea pig and if all it costs me is 70 bucks i think i got off easy.
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Ipad4??????? I plan to have the xoom 3.
After all these post it seems they have I pad experience and want to go back to the drone life
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I sympathize with your frustration. Despite all the sugar coating and the feel good positive self help encouragement on this board, the reality is, that there really isn't an excuse for a device to have these shortcomings. If its not ready to be released don't release it.
I am amazed at how much crap people will put up with. $800 + tax to spend hours encoding videos -SERIOUSLY!!
Seems like every other post is some form of be patient and their will be unicorns and roses and sunshine just around the corner.
I am willing to bet you guys are all 100% right about all the fixes. Last I checked the turn-around time for new tech these days is about the time it takes to blink.
By the time the fixes are available, they will likely all be distributed in one, complete, non downloadable format called the XOOM 2.

Some of you are very defensive!
The OP knew the device had some shortcomings but wanted to give it a shot anyway. He did, and found more things he had an issue with. He doesn't want a 2year contract with VZW and decided to give us an account of why he is returning it. Get off his back.

does best buy charge a restocking fee for the xoom? if they don't i may be right behind the op in the next few days.
the having to re-encode video is killing it for me. i bought this as a media consumption device, a large part of that being videos, maybe using it with my hdtv too.
if i have to spend hours converting video, thats just a waste of time, id be better served using my samsung epic phone.
thats just sad, my freaking cell phone plays video better than the xoom.
seeing hte xoom and adam comparison video was disheartening. i have read that the tegra 2 was demoed by nvidia playing h264 1080p high profile video at 10mbit and its supposed to be able to do 720p high profile at 20mbit.
both the xoom and adam seem to be incapable of this currently, that being said, it is still POSSIBLE that this can be solved with software/codecs.
the problem is when and what if? if it does happen, when will it be? but what if it doesn't happen?
as i watch the days tick away till my deadline where the xoom is no longer returnable, im getting more and more concerned because i don't want to be stuck with an $800 device that only does half of what it advertised.
/rant
sorry a bout that, just wanted to get it off my chest too. i just don't know what to do. i see the potential in the device, but i also understand the fact that the potential may never be realized.

everyone is pissed off

Yawn.
iPad and likely iPad 2 cannot even do real multitasking and these are the things we find to complain about.
It's ok to have buyers remorse for the price, but anyone in the Android world knows that the beauty of the ecosystem is something and somebody will almost certainly come along and fix whatever problem you have.
It's a simple trade off between flexibility and the Apple dictatorship, if you want to be locked into what a system can do, be sure to buy an iPad, where if you have a problem, you are almost certainly stuck with it forever.
It an easy choice for me, I do not stress out waiting for improvements, I enjoy the continuously improvements over the lifetime of the hardware. I cannot even image being locked into the Apples 'my way or the highway' environment.
And in 5 years when Android is 70% of the market and Apple is relegated to it's sub 30% share, where it is most comfortable, there is a reason.
And last but not least, no device is perfect, and to expect that invites disappointment every time.
Not that he said he was going to iPad, but others in the thread seemed to suggest that is there solution.

mjpacheco said:
Yawn.
iPad and likely iPad 2 cannot even do real multitasking and these are the things we find to complain about.
It's ok to have buyers remorse for the price, but anyone in the Android world knows that the beauty of the ecosystem is something and somebody will almost certainly come along and fix whatever problem you have.
It's a simple trade off between flexibility and the Apple dictatorship, if you want to be locked into what a system can do, be sure to buy an iPad, where if you have a problem, you are almost certainly stuck with it forever.
It an easy choice for me, I do not stress out waiting for improvements, I enjoy the continuously improvements over the lifetime of the hardware. I cannot even image being locked into the Apples 'my way or the highway' environment.
And in 5 years when Android is 70% of the market and Apple is relegated to it's sub 30% share, where it is most comfortable, there is a reason.
And last but not least, no device is perfect, and to expect that invites disappointment every time.
Not that he said he was going to iPad, but others in the thread seemed to suggest that is there solution.
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Why do you assume that everyone who returns a XOOM wil immediately run out and buy an iPad. Many may just chose to wait and see what Samsung and LG and others will produce.
I have a Galaxy Tab and I chose to wait at this point. I'm not running out and buying an Apple device. This battle isn't all Apples and Oranges - or Androids and Apples......

My Nexus 1 couldn't record 720 video and FM didn't work until enterprising hackers figured out how to enable it. If I was waiting on official channels, it still wouldn't work. Just because Moto can't figure it out doesn't mean it won't eventually be done.

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My Nexus 1 couldn't record 720 video and FM didn't work until enterprising hackers figured out how to enable it. If I was waiting on official channels, it still wouldn't work. Just because Moto can't figure it out doesn't mean it won't eventually be done.
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Agreeded. My wife and I each have a Xoom and we love it. Sure it has some short comings, but so does every device. In the end, the biggest selling point for me for the Xoom was the unlocked bootloader and the Google experience device. The software on this thing is going to be hacked and chopped up to no end. That is what most people are missing. Who cares that it wasn't 100% ready at launch...seriously. I am much happier having one to play with now rather then waiting another month or 2 or 3. Any of you saying otherwise is lying to yourself because of self inflicted buyers remorse.
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colbyb25 said:
Agreeded. My wife and I each have a Xoom and we love it. Sure it has some short comings, but so does every device. In the end, the biggest selling point for me for the Xoom was the unlocked bootloader and the Google experience device. The software on this thing is going to be hacked and chopped up to no end. That is what most people are missing. Who cares that it wasn't 100% ready at launch...seriously. I am much happier having one to play with now rather then waiting another month or 2 or 3. Any of you saying otherwise is lying to yourself because of self inflicted buyers remorse.
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I agree there's nothing greater then having a device that has flaws starting out and having the oportunity to watch them get fixed and watch the device grow I can't wait to see what the xoom will soon be able to do

verusevo said:
I just finished arranging my Xoom in its original packaging and placed it back in its Verizon bag to go back as soon as tomorrow. Unfortunately after some heated internal debating ive decided that the Xoom is not the Tablet for me.
My first experience with Android was with my beloved EVO 4G and ive since become very fond of its in and outs. I hoped i would feel the same way with the Xoom and Android in Tablet form. Unfortunately some glaring ommisions and simply blatant misguided intentions keep me from loving what is an otherwise spectacular piece of hardware.
First off, for a device that claims to be a true Ipad competitor one of the most important areas to address is MEDIA. My mom has an Ipad 3g that i purchased and set up for her and everything runs flawlessly in its limited ecosystem. The Xoom while a much more capable piece of hardware is severely lacking in its implemented media delivery system. How a tablet could even be shipped without a dedicated video player is just beyond absurd to me(im sorry GALLERY is NOT the first place anyone would look to find movies) That wouldnt even be so bad if it weren't for the fact that getting movies on your device is simple enough but watching them is a downright chore. On the Ipad most video formats arent supported, but with one simple app i was able to load any movie i wanted and play it without the hassle of Itunes compatability. Xoom on the other hand has had me spend HOURS converting and researching Video files and codecs and converters just to get a movie to play on my Xoom without the framerate of dialup porn in the 90's. Ive made great progress with this as well, but why should i have to? If i werent me and i were just your average consumer i would be completely lost and frustrated.
So right out the gate weve got a
-4G tablet with NO 4G(pending)
-Expandable Memory(Pending)
-Flash Support(Pending)
-HD Video support(De-Pending on how computer savvy you are)
But ultimately the True Nail in the coffin for me was VERIZON. I chose to go the subsidized route due to the absence of a WiFi only option. I figured i was getting the WiFI version/price plus 3G if i wanted it. But after some hard thinking i realized.... I HATE VERIZON. We have a sordid past involving a cellphone i once had( a MOTOROLA btw, first and only ive ever owned) that wound up leaving me permanently soured on that particular carrier. So the fact that i was so anxious to get a Xoom that i actually got back in bed with these guys took a couple of days to set in. But being that im an avid early adopter i decided i could not be contractually obligated to a first Gen piece of hardware for two years.
I truly believe that the Xoom has potential up the wahzoo. But i cant allow myself to be suckered into playing the waiting game like some lonely side piece waiting for their lover to drop the axe on his marriage. I think there is a place for the Xoom in my life, but only in Wifi form and @ $600 unsubsidized. Once that becomes a reality then i will likely be back for seconds. Until then ill have to swallow my $70 restocking fee but atleast ill be $580 richer and VERIZONless. isnt thats what relly matters in the end?
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I absolutely agree with you. Which is the reason my Xoom is also heading back to Best Buy. Its just not ready for prime time. Now i consider myself an early adopter and i have no problems doing so but this device is just way, way too young. Ill wait for it to mature again and purchase it later. In the mean time ill let my $800+ dollars sit in a high interest account ;-)

No one cares that you don't like it. Good bye have fun, hope you find what you are looking for elsewhere

Know why this forum is dead?

Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
UPDATE:
I almost wish I had time for a proper reply, but I have better things to do so I'll keep it short. All the back-peddling about how you "didn't buy the Ouya gaming console for gaming but for use as an HTPC" is just too much. So you people are telling me that you spent $100 on a crippled, locked-down, HTPC without a proper remote but instead a wimpy game controller when you could have spent $100 on a Vizio-CoStar which has HDMI pass-through, IR-Blaster and a proper GTV Media remote?!
Seriously?
Out of the box, the Co-Star shows up the Ouya in EVERY way (except XBMC as of 2014-02-10 it seems) as an HTPC AND can be used for gaming. Since it comes with the Play Store (Ouya doesn't) and supports all the most common media apps, it doesn't require any hacking AND can still play your favorite games. If you take 5 minutes to root it (yes, it's rootable), then you could pair up a Sixaxis or Wii controller (both of which I have laying around as many of you likely do) an you get a better controller than what Ouya provides.
So please tell me again how you purchased the Ouya for use as an HTPC and your $100 was well spent. While you provide more silly, defensive posts attempting to do so, I'll be USING my device and not worrying about how I'll overcome the limitations of the device I invested in so that I can do some basic task like listening to music from All Access or watching Netflix
Anyone want to venture a guess at why this post is easily the 2nd most active for this forum?! *roll eyes*
UPDATE 20140115:
Still in denial guys? OUYA Founding Team Member and VP of Product Development Departs
I'm still batting 1000 when it comes to calling successes and failures. This and the stats behind it prove what I've been saying from day one; DOA because it has no value (to people with some sense anyway, there's always that 10% as we say in the Corp).
They say "OUYA is an ever changing business". I don't disagree, death and failure do represent change. The real story though:
Another side of the story is the reportedly poor performance of the OUYA in the consumer market, however. Early developer sales numbers indicate that software isn’t faring very well on the platform, and pre-holiday sales with drastic price reductions don’t bode well for buyer interest in hardware, either. A well-placed source tells TechCrunch that the decision to leave OUYA was Ghadiali’s own, not the company’s.
OUYA definitely seems to be occupying rocky waters at the moment​
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Go ahead and tell me one more time why I'm wrong since people are still keeping this thread active in their attempts to convince themselves I'm not.
For the record, 7 months after I posted this and these forums still have only 7,624 posts. I was trying to find a cheap, unpopular phone to compare to (since pretty much anything will meet or beet the Ouya in any number of way), but nothing is close enough to even make it worth the mention.

i have to say i agree with you i always knew the idea of a android console is useless because the games are no difference than for example on a galaxy s3 or something and a phone is portable and u can also plug a phone to a tv for mirroring and put a game controller on it and your set to go

I don't really agree, I think it's a really good product, it's much cheaper than a phone and allows those with bad economy to still be able to enjoy the high end games from the android world. not to mention without the hassle of getting a gaming controller hooked up and/or video out, not all phones have it.
also the forum is not dead, there's been plenty of activity considering how many have the ouya at the time of writing we already have a CWM port. roms are in the works. we have root/superuser app guides and XBMC apk sideloading. for 99 usd it's definately worth it.

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Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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Wow...I dunno about flaming, but as one of the backers I've got to disagree totally. Other than getting my Ouya a wee bit later than I would have expected, I'm quite satisfied with mine and my experience with it. I think that once it hits retail and more folks actually HAVE the device then activity on these forums will pick up. At 99 bucks it is a very afordable tinkering device.
I've no clue where you get the logic that they took advantage of or owe anything to the community. Backers paid their money and have either already received their Ouya or will shortly. Any rough edges with the software will (hopefully) mostly be smoothed out by the time the device hits actual retail. Remember those of us who have it are pretty much beta testers right now.
Heck...I like mine so much I'm kind of regretting not backing a 2nd unit or the limited edition one!

rainabba said:
Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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Well you also are entitled to your opinion, but as one of those people who "can/would hack such a device", I've gotta say you're wrong on that particular "fact". Development is limited to a few individuals, but we're moving full steam ahead, already have CWM working thanks to mybook4 and I just minutes ago finished building my first Alpha of CM10. So before you pop in just to troll, how about you do just a little bit of poking in the development section so you know what you're talking about. I was surprised to see this post was from you, I thought a veteran like yourself would be more open minded.

rainabba said:
Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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My phone is a phone, perhaps you don't get many phone calls or text messages, fortunately I do.
If I did want to use my phone as a console I would have to buy a hdmi adapter,hdmi cable and a controller. So the economic argument doesn't hold any water.
No need to flame, your logic is flawed and your research non existent.
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Sounds like the same arguments I heard for why tablets will never make it... and everyone and their mother now has one... or two. Its a little early to be a negative nancy when the thing isn't even avaliable in stores yet.
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rainabba said:
Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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The most valuable part of the ouya is not the hardware, although, a Tegra 3 (optimized thx to active heat-sink and 'unlimited' power), 1GB RAM, and 16GB flash with a wireless control for $100 is pretty damny competitive. If you consider the controller at $20-$25 that means the console is going for about $75.
No, the real value in Ouya is the work their team has done to pull together Indie gaming developers into a Steam-esque group targeting a fairly consistent hardware platform on a fairly fragmented OS that is android. By getting gaming companies and others to sign up with Ouya, there is an arguably simpler way to get games published, advertised, and consumed for android.

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Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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I have a high end laptop and pc. I have a Galaxy note 2. My girlfriend owns a S3.
My ouya arrived yesterday, and i have to say i am loving it so much. To what you said.. i can't really agree with you.
I am not saying this to justify the product but for the prize tag i found my money well well spend.. its just like professorpoptart said.
Its almost the same argument

At that price it would make a neat little media centre in my opinion, if not for the fact my main pc is connected to the tv already.

rainabba said:
Because this device is a waste of money. I have to say "told you so" here (though I doubt anyone here actually heard me say it) because this is exactly what I said would happen. The Ouya is pointless because the majority of people interested in this product likely already have other Android devices that are just as, if not more capable.
The forums are going to be more dead than the sales because the people who can/would hack such a device, can spend their time being far more productive on modern phones/tablets that do more than the Ouya and are at least comparable in power.
I think Ouya should admit their flawed logic and do something for the community that funded them on Kickstarter. I'm not one and have no personal stake but I do feel they took advantage of the Android community.
If you disagree with me, you're welcome to your opinion, but the facts can't be ignored.
Let the flaming begin if it must.
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Really? at least give them a chance. Kickstarters are finally starting to recieve there's. At least wait till it goes on retail to down the product. Personally I just got mine for xbmc and emulators and im quite pleased with it sure it has its issues but with the openness of it at least you wont be at the mercy of company to fix things like another device I bought awhile ago (boxee box)

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Sounds like the same arguments I heard for why tablets will never make it... and everyone and their mother now has one... or two. Its a little early to be a negative nancy when the thing isn't even avaliable in stores yet.
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The irony here (aside from you missing my point entirely) is that you're making my point for me. "everyone and their mother now has one... or two [tablets]"... that are more powerful than the Ouya, can also be paired with any number of controls, connected to their TVs, and run all the same games Ouya can.
Why buy another device (even if it's "only" $100) that's inferior hardware?

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The most valuable part of the ouya is not the hardware, although, a Tegra 3 (optimized thx to active heat-sink and 'unlimited' power), 1GB RAM, and 16GB flash with a wireless control for $100 is pretty damny competitive. If you consider the controller at $20-$25 that means the console is going for about $75.
No, the real value in Ouya is the work their team has done to pull together Indie gaming developers into a Steam-esque group targeting a fairly consistent hardware platform on a fairly fragmented OS that is android. By getting gaming companies and others to sign up with Ouya, there is an arguably simpler way to get games published, advertised, and consumed for android.
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Ok, so let's say you're right. They're likely able to sell the hardware that cheap because they're getting it practically free (it's already basically obsolete hardware which is half my point). Why buy another device, that's already obsolete, to play games I could play on my newer, better devices?
I can think of one reason; because Ouya's game library won't be available for regular Android devices and if that's true, then I might as well buy a real console that's magnitudes more powerful OR just play games on the web (since WebGL + my PC, tablet, or phone is already more powerful than the Ouya).
On the other hand, if they do share the games, I'm back to my first point; why buy obsolete hardware to play on when I can use hardware I already have, that's more powerful?
As for your disagreement; of course you disagree. As you said, you're a backer and the reality is that unless you're part of a very small minority of people on this planet, you now have to contend with cognitive dissonance and all my logic and rational arguments mean nothing in light of that
On that note, I'm going to sit back and watch everyone try to convince themselves of how wrong I am and see if anything interesting comes of that conversation.

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Really? at least give them a chance. Kickstarters are finally starting to recieve there's. At least wait till it goes on retail to down the product. Personally I just got mine for xbmc and emulators and im quite pleased with it sure it has its issues but with the openness of it at least you wont be at the mercy of company to fix things like another device I bought awhile ago (boxee box)
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For use as an "Open Google TV-type" hardware platform, I would be interested but my Vizio Co-Star does such a good job now (for $100) but instead of focusing on a GPU and controller (which I already have thanks to my PS3 Six-axis controllers laying around), it focused on the remote which is phenominal. I'd love to see that platform opened up, even with it's weaker specs (by the way, 1GB of ram for an "Android gaming console" is laughable when it's meant to serve 1080p gaming).
My original point stands. The Ouya, as a gaming platform, is little more than a scam or pet-project and the latter is fine by me so long as they're honest about it.

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For use as an "Open Google TV-type" hardware platform, I would be interested but my Vizio Co-Star does such a good job now (for $100) but instead of focusing on a GPU and controller (which I already have thanks to my PS3 Six-axis controllers laying around), it focused on the remote which is phenominal. I'd love to see that platform opened up, even with it's weaker specs (by the way, 1GB of ram for an "Android gaming console" is laughable when it's meant to serve 1080p gaming).
My original point stands. The Ouya, as a gaming platform, is little more than a scam or pet-project and the latter is fine by me so long as they're honest about it.
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I was looking into that player but the lacking of local media made me go this direction.

rainabba said:
The irony here (aside from you missing my point entirely) is that you're making my point for me. "everyone and their mother now has one... or two [tablets]"... that are more powerful than the Ouya, can also be paired with any number of controls, connected to their TVs, and run all the same games Ouya can.
Why buy another device (even if it's "only" $100) that's inferior hardware?
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Most people I know either own a iPad or Kindle. I have a galaxy tab 2 which is most definitely not more powerful than an Ouya. There are only a handful of tablets that are more powerful than the OUYA and they are not mainstream devices.
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I was looking into that player but the lacking of local media made me go this direction.
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Off topic but if I understand you correctly, it sounds like you may not realize but would want to know that the Vizio co star has mass storage support through USB.

Once it's fully working I expect this will become a pretty good little media box, but outside just netflix etc, it is also a great little emulation device, may have a couple fun games, etc. As an open platform it may end up much better then any roku, Apple TV, or other box. Is it a perfect device? No, but until it's actual release I'm no where near calling it worthless.

rainabba said:
The irony here (aside from you missing my point entirely) is that you're making my point for me. "everyone and their mother now has one... or two [tablets]"... that are more powerful than the Ouya, can also be paired with any number of controls, connected to their TVs, and run all the same games Ouya can.
Why buy another device (even if it's "only" $100) that's inferior hardware?
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If you could show me to a few tablets that are more powerful then the ouya at a reasonable prize ($100-$150)
Then please show me.. i would love one

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If you could show me to a few tablets that are more powerful then the ouya at a reasonable prize ($100-$150)
Then please show me.. i would love one
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that also has the hdmi out he's talking about. not many do, and if they do they're in the 400-600 usd pricerange as far as I've seen. unless they're some cheap china thing. in which case they are far from high end and it would look much more clunky having a hacked up setup with a tablet dangling around the TV. the ouya is a much more cleaner solution fit for the task. and it's cheap

I'm done with this

I gave it a fair chance, tried to make it work but it buggy, awkward and just not good enough.
So happy that Amazon will take it back.
screw this

Sorry to hear that, the ouya's not for everyone. Hope you find something that fits your needs. I've had mine since day one and am really glad I have one as it has allowed me to experience Android gaming in a whole new way. I was tired of using tablets/phones and hdmi-out cables and getting crappy performance since the tablet/phone had to dedicate horsepower to two screens which would eventually cause it to overheat(Galaxy S 3). As someone who enjoys playing Android games on the big screen it's perfect for me plus it's absurdly cheap so it's easily replaceable.

I'm not interested in gaming although my 2 yr old may start to take an interest soon. I ise it for xbmc, internet radio, iplayers and some other play store apps and am delighted with it.
Bit fiddly to set up but got there in the end with help on this forum.
Bring on kit kat. Onwards and upwards!
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Development experience
My son is interested in developing games for various platforms. This gives him some experience in the android world on something unique. Even if the consol dies or is revamped the experience gained is worth it.

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To each their own. I can see that some people will not like it though, but having a roku box that gets used mostly for netflix and hulu (wish android has amazon videos), and an snes still attached to my tv and a samsung fascinate (read old a!! phone) this ouya is a good replacement for three devices. It's got a few good games, but having rooted and added the pay store, I can put more on it and I can try some coding myself. Plus I do have to add that I got it just recently when it was on sale on amazon, $75 plus a $25 credit towards ouya games. I've been eyeing it at my local target for some time, but have found other uses for the $100. I do wish amazon video was on it, then I could completely replace my roku.

Amazon video...
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To each their own. I can see that some people will not like it though, but having a roku box that gets used mostly for netflix and hulu (wish android has amazon videos), and an snes still attached to my tv and a samsung fascinate (read old a!! phone) this ouya is a good replacement for three devices. It's got a few good games, but having rooted and added the pay store, I can put more on it and I can try some coding myself. Plus I do have to add that I got it just recently when it was on sale on amazon, $75 plus a $25 credit towards ouya games. I've been eyeing it at my local target for some time, but have found other uses for the $100. I do wish amazon video was on it, then I could completely replace my roku.
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There might be a workaround. I can't vouch for this but I thought you might be interested. You would have to flash CM11 and try it out. You would loose the actual Ouya game part of the console. I bought mine for the XBMC anyway so loosing Ouya games was not a big deal. My old laptop was running rough and XBMC was not happy with the hardware. The Ouya store should be coming to android in 6 months or so and you will have the games back.
http://www.the-digital-reader.com/n...n-instant-videos-android-tablet/#.UzY7mNVdVSE

KJRob said:
There might be a workaround. I can't vouch for this but I thought you might be interested. You would have to flash CM11 and try it out. You would loose the actual Ouya game part of the console. I bought mine for the XBMC anyway so loosing Ouya games was not a big deal. My old laptop was running rough and XBMC was not happy with the hardware. The Ouya store should be coming to android in 6 months or so and you will have the games back.
http://www.the-digital-reader.com/n...n-instant-videos-android-tablet/#.UzY7mNVdVSE
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Some users on the shield forum managed to get an older version of the ouya store working, you could probably just follow those same steps to get the ouya store back.

DrBytes said:
I gave it a fair chance, tried to make it work but it buggy, awkward and just not good enough.
So happy that Amazon will take it back.
screw this
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I returned mine to Amazon the minute I saw the firetv announcement. Luckily I only bought it a week earlier. Firetv blows the ouya out of the water! And now with AndroidTV just around the corner I predict an imminent death to the entire ouya concept...

Ok Mad Catz, I tried to embrace you...I really did

I have been a strong advocate of the Mad Catz Mojo since release, and I still think it has the most powerful components of any Android box to date and has a LOT of potential...but I have to come to the realization that the potential is lost on this device for quite a few reasons:
1. Mad Catz does not seem to "know" the device or their end users in this area.
Exactly as I put it above. They did not know how to root their own device and needed Modaco to come forward with a root method, and thank GOD for that, as without it you would quickly discover that you cannot download a single thing from the Playstore without it. But root is usually the beginning to better things. It seems like it was the one and only mod. Root was necessary, but custom recovery and a WAY to recover this device is also necessary. You just gave the general population a way to wreck the Mojo, but no way to recover from it. Nice. Feels like this was merely released and that is all. Sort of like "here you go, figure it out". You advertise on the box that this can play your Playstore purchases, but not until rooting. You guys should be rooting these before packaging.
2. Price
I never had an issue with the price, but I know others have. For a "figure it out on your own, we will not assist" type of device, maybe the introductory price should have been $199, and then dropped to $150. I fear the price is driving away potential devs...that is the price of what you are getting. The console is great, and honestly does not need to be included with that controller. It does not have a screen like the Shield. There is no reason why the joystick cannot be omitted and the price drastically lowered...maybe down to Minix Neo X7 pricetag ($130)
3. No advertising, upselling, no dev samples..
I saw a blog my someone (I will not mention his name) in which you guys were supposed to send him a Mojo and never did. He didn't care, but was upset because you guys made a promise and backed out. You didn't even contact him again. Not good. These Mojo units should have been handed out to the dev elite to help keep this box alive. If they don't have it and are reluctant to buy it, nothing is going to come of it. Get it? Ohh, and advertising is key for products. I saw you guys talking it up pre-release in trade shows, NeweggTV, etc. Then it is released and nothing. You did make that Ouya announcement two months ago....but the light is dimming. Faster items are on the way and this device is going to be forgotten before it has a chance to be remembered.
It pains me to say it, but I have now too returned my Mojo. Not because anyone talked me into another device, but because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all....is the doom that is the Mojo. No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. What if some rogue app bricked the mojo? What are you going to tell me? Send it to Canada and wait a month for you to flash it? Or do you even know how to do that?
I ended up ordering the Minix Neo X7 (I know the X8 is coming, and will probably get that as well) not because I think it is more powerful (I know it is not) but because there is a world of active development going in for the device and a dozen ways to ensure that I never end up with a paperweight down the road. If it runs emulators/movies/music well that is all I need. I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh.

Your unbelievable zektor, first you act like a little child to me because i was saying this for a long time, and you was making stupid posts of how stupid my phone is and how stupid you must be to have a phone like mine, and more.
And now you are saying this, make up your mind.

AmigaWolf said:
Your unbelievable zektor, first you act like a little child to me because i was saying this for a long time, and you was making stupid posts of how stupid my phone is and how stupid you must be to have a phone like mine, and more.
And now you are saying this, make up your mind.
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Your phone and your attitude DOES suck. I did not change my mind about that Your stupid posts compound the issue and make the Mojo less desirable...or at least the Mojo forums. Congratulations for that. You should be given a "major award". Your posts have nothing to do with mine. You were just a crybaby because you bricked yours and they had no more in stock to replenish it for you.
As for the Mojo, I still stand my ground that it is the most powerful (currently) Android TV box on the market. That is fact, not me just saying it. It is a shame the way it has turned out however with the lack of support, no development, and a weak forum with only a handful of helpful and encouraging people and one real dipstick (hint, the post above)

zektor said:
Your phone and your attitude DOES suck. I did not change my mind about that Your stupid posts compound the issue and make the Mojo less desirable...or at least the Mojo forums. Congratulations for that. You should be given a "major award". Your posts have nothing to do with mine. You were just a crybaby because you bricked yours and they had no more in stock to replenish it for you.
As for the Mojo, I still stand my ground that it is the most powerful (currently) Android TV box on the market. That is fact, not me just saying it. It is a shame the way it has turned out however with the lack of support, no development, and a weak forum with only a handful of helpful and encouraging people and one real dipstick (hint, the post above)
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Oh wait i forgot, is it bed time for you little child, Yes i hear your mother yelling that you must go to bed, because you must go to school in the morning.
Sleep tight, and don't let the bedbugs bite.

I agree with zektor I biught this cuz it said was going to be rooted and was good quality but was very disappointed with the extra stuff I had to do. Not for the average person. Hes right the more people the more development from devs amd if it takes mad catz giving some free out to high level devs to make thier product better then they need to hurry up. There used to be a mad catz rep here but ive seen nothing for a while I ciuld be wrong. Maybe cause he has blno answers anymore

zektor said:
I have been a strong advocate of the Mad Catz Mojo since release, and I still think it has the most powerful components of any Android box to date and has a LOT of potential...but I have to come to the realization that the potential is lost on this device for quite a few reasons:
1. Mad Catz does not seem to "know" the device or their end users in this area.
2. Price
3. No advertising, upselling, no dev samples..
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Strange that a week ago you wrote Reasons you SHOULD buy a M.O.J.O.. the mojo hasn't changed,Android hasn't changed, the community hasn't changed.. so what's changed? " because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all"
Well there was an update 2 days ago: http://madcatz.com/4k-coming-to-mojo/
Apart from that, it hasn't changed.
Obviously, it's not a cheap toy like Ouya, so yes less devs and I would agree with you: "No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. "
But I'm guessing, like rooting, madcatz can't do it or release the image due to legal reasons (it's android/nvidia's software) obviously it would be nice if it "leaked".. then yeah sure I too would try more risky stuff..
Price point I think it's great value and a complete package with the ctrlr... ie I don't like the amazon firetv controller, moga etc.
re Advertising etc, I think they are timing it, it's not cheap to advertise.. I'm guessing they are waiting to finish kit-kat/ouya everywhere before doing so? I don't know.. don't really care
"I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh. "
Madcatz is a hardware vendor, TMK they don't do software... and that's one of their selling point, no vendor lock in.
It's like you bought an Dell laptop and returned it because Dell didn't put out enough patches/upgrade? :silly:
What community mods makes you think your not running on all 8 cores?
I mean you had a good set up... what exactly couldn't you do?
Anyway, I'm still optimistic and it's still early days, MOJO is future proof, it's spec's are still top of the line and will continue to be for a while yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if kitkat/ouya comes out closer to the holiday season.

gwaldo said:
Strange that a week ago you wrote Reasons you SHOULD buy a M.O.J.O.. the mojo hasn't changed,Android hasn't changed, the community hasn't changed.. so what's changed? " because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all"
Well there was an update 2 days ago: http://madcatz.com/4k-coming-to-mojo/
Apart from that, it hasn't changed.
Obviously, it's not a cheap toy like Ouya, so yes less devs and I would agree with you: "No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. "
But I'm guessing, like rooting, madcatz can't do it or release the image due to legal reasons (it's android/nvidia's software) obviously it would be nice if it "leaked".. then yeah sure I too would try more risky stuff..
Price point I think it's great value and a complete package with the ctrlr... ie I don't like the amazon firetv controller, moga etc.
re Advertising etc, I think they are timing it, it's not cheap to advertise.. I'm guessing they are waiting to finish kit-kat/ouya everywhere before doing so? I don't know.. don't really care
"I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh. "
Madcatz is a hardware vendor, TMK they don't do software... and that's one of their selling point, no vendor lock in.
It's like you bought an Dell laptop and returned it because Dell didn't put out enough patches/upgrade? :silly:
What community mods makes you think your not running on all 8 cores?
I mean you had a good set up... what exactly couldn't you do?
Anyway, I'm still optimistic and it's still early days, MOJO is future proof, it's spec's are still top of the line and will continue to be for a while yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if kitkat/ouya comes out closer to the holiday season.
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Yes, it was a nice setup and yes, I still do believe there are reasons to buy the Mojo. But, it is not future proof. It is getting older by the day (the Tegra 4) and more and more devices will have the processor (or something more powerful) built in. When that happens, the Mojo will become less exclusive and less desirable. It is also not future proof because the minute you run a rogue app that requires root and it bricks it (or you brick it in any other way) the Mojo is essentially done for. Not having a way to recover from a brick is not something that is acceptable nowadays.

It's nice to see some news. The 4k support means they are doing something. Not hearing anything for almost 3 months since ouya announcement and kit Kat upgrade has made it hard to have faith in improvements, but it sounds like it may still be coming

What is future proof nowadays things are changing at a very fast pace but I'm in no rush couldn't be happier with my mojo there may be new hardware coming but its not out yet and there is nothing on the play store that this baby won't run at this time horse before the cart

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It is also not future proof because the minute you run a rogue app that requires root and it bricks it (or you brick it in any other way) the Mojo is essentially done for. Not having a way to recover from a brick is not something that is acceptable nowadays.
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I agree about not being able to unbrick it ourselves is an issue.. but it doesn't make it less future proof IMO.
Having an active community helps.. but with android/nvidia in it, we/I can 'piggy back' on other groups for info ie shield, ouya, other T4 products.
As you may or may not know, there are very few pieces of technology that have stood the test of time.
I can name a few from personal experience here:
Commodore 64
MS Windows XP
Nokia N900 & Maemo(native linux)
The mojo & CTRLR are so versatile, I'm sure I'll still be using it well after it's product lifecycle... that's future proof!

gwaldo said:
I agree about not being able to unbrick it ourselves is an issue.. but it doesn't make it less future proof IMO.
Having an active community helps.. but with android/nvidia in it, we/I can 'piggy back' on other groups for info ie shield, ouya, other T4 products.
As you may or may not know, there are very few pieces of technology that have stood the test of time.
I can name a few from personal experience here:
Commodore 64
MS Windows XP
Nokia N900 & Maemo(native linux)
The mojo & CTRLR are so versatile, I'm sure I'll still be using it well after it's product lifecycle... that's future proof!
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It is funny you mention the C64. Not only do I know it...I lived it I ran a BBS for many years and was a part of a demo group in the mid-late 80's for the C64. I know all well how it stood the test of time, and still own and use one (and develop on it) today. It is well documented, I can fix them, mod them (now with SD2IEC and other neat stuff) and they will essentially last as long as the hardware does.
The Mojo IS a cool system, I have never said otherwise in regard to the hardware. But I honestly cannot say that it will stand any test of time...sadly. It is a flash in the pan as compared with the likes of the other items you mentioned, *especially* the C64. It almost feels like blasphemy to put the two in the same sentence
But, Mad Catz could definitely redeem themselves if they became a little more proactive in the area in which the system's target audience resides. Namely HERE, and in other forums concerning Android TV boxes. Maybe some of there techs can get involved in conversations, provide useful tips, and check with their senior technicians regarding in depth questions that we may have. As it stands now it is a ghost town. I wonder if the Mad Catz employees read these forums and chuckle at what suckers we are for buying in. I REALLY hope that is not the case.

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It is funny you mention the C64. Not only do I know it...I lived it I ran a BBS for many years and was a part of a demo group in the mid-late 80's for the C64. I know all well how it stood the test of time, and still own and use one (and develop on it) today. It is well documented, I can fix them, mod them (now with SD2IEC and other neat stuff) and they will essentially last as long as the hardware does.
The Mojo IS a cool system, I have never said otherwise in regard to the hardware. But I honestly cannot say that it will stand any test of time...sadly. It is a flash in the pan as compared with the likes of the other items you mentioned, *especially* the C64. It almost feels like blasphemy to put the two in the same sentence
But, Mad Catz could definitely redeem themselves if they became a little more proactive in the area in which the system's target audience resides. Namely HERE, and in other forums concerning Android TV boxes. Maybe some of there techs can get involved in conversations, provide useful tips, and check with their senior technicians regarding in depth questions that we may have. As it stands now it is a ghost town. I wonder if the Mad Catz employees read these forums and chuckle at what suckers we are for buying in. I REALLY hope that is not the case.
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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90 hardware was made to last 20 a 30 years, like the
Commodore 64 (and i have one with a floppy drive and a tape drive, and also had Commodore Amiga for years, still have a Amiga 2000 from
1987 and it still works.
But all the stuff that is now made is not made to last, they (the manufactures) want that you buy new hardware every view years, thats why
Android phones only get 1 a 1.5 years of updates if your lucky and then nothing, when a Samsung Galaxy S3 can run Android 4.4 KitKat easily.

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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90 hardware was made to last 20 a 30 years, like the
Commodore 64 (and i have one with a floppy drive and a tape drive, and also had Commodore Amiga for years, still have a Amiga 2000 from
1987 and it still works.
But all the stuff that is now made is not made to last, they (the manufactures) want that you buy new hardware every view years, thats why
Android phones only get 1 a 1.5 years of updates if your lucky and then nothing, when a Samsung Galaxy S3 can run Android 4.4 KitKat easily.
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I can agree with you here. We live in a throw away society unfortunately. However, there are still items that are made to last, but they are "hidden gems" more or less. The vast majority of items are made like garbage, but every once in awhile you find something that is built like a rock. My Canon Powershot S80 comes to mind...which is actually quite a few years old now. Out of the items made today (in terms of these devices) the Minix is build VERY nicely, same with the Ouya. The Mojo is of decent quality, but it still feels like a hollow piece of plastic to me for some reason.

zektor said:
I can agree with you here. We live in a throw away society unfortunately. However, there are still items that are made to last, but they are "hidden gems" more or less. The vast majority of items are made like garbage, but every once in awhile you find something that is built like a rock. My Canon Powershot S80 comes to mind...which is actually quite a few years old now. Out of the items made today (in terms of these devices) the Minix is build VERY nicely, same with the Ouya. The Mojo is of decent quality, but it still feels like a hollow piece of plastic to me for some reason.
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Computer cpu's are built to last, just in the past they got outdated so fast. These days you can get a new cpu and be good for a very long time and it will outlast any other piece of computer equipment. I've actually never had a cpu go bad. But at the non component level, most consumer electronics have very short shelf life.

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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90.
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I don't agree, there are still companies out there that make great and out lasting products!
They add extra features that others don't, yes it's more expensive but less disposable.. like the SID chip on the C64 and the BT4/USB3,etc on the MOJO... it didn't have to be there and it's really at the manufactures risk/expense because it's their profit margin that it effects.
But it gives the company integrity for not selling out like their cheaper competitors.
I think things now are built for the lowest common denominator and only the brave step out of that.
IE: mobile phones, In Australia, it's next to impossible to buy a new mobile with a keyboard
Anyway, it's interesting