Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
What's your suggestion?
Agree, there needs to be an entire section for each carrier. General, development , QnA, and themes.
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I agree that things could be cleaned up a bit. I think it would be better if the "Original Development" forums were subforums of each of the Development forums. I like that the development forums are separated by carrier and that all the other forums are not, but there's no reason to have two completely separate development boards for each carrier. I also think some of the stickies in general discussion could be taken down.
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Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
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I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
Why does each carrier have two separate development forums anyway? The ones on the bottom don't even have anything in them really? I thought this was some type of error.
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Sorry. I should have provided the solution.
Go back to the original format when the forums were based by carrier. I know it would help new folks. As the popularity of this phone increases the problems will also multiply. I would hate for someone to mess up their phone by taking advice from a person on a different system.
Anyway that is my 2cents on the topic.
Markdental said:
I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
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Agree, I have no f-ing idea what the "Original Development" forums are even supposed to be... the description confused the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned. A ROM is a ROM. Why do we need 2 threads for vaguely different types of ROM. Who the F cares? This is the first forum I've seen that makes this stupid distinction.
I agree with the other guy that this unnecessary forum should at least be made a subforum of the development forum... or at best deleted entirely.
I don't mind the combined discussion threads, though.
I agree with separating the carriers, but the two separate development sections for each carrier has been around for months. It was that way with the SGS2 and works fine. So, yeah, the only change i would like to see is to separate carriers.
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
If enough people post in this thread, maybe the mods will reconsider the overall setup of the forums for the GS3.
x_SCOS_x_ELITE said:
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
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Dude, that signature is bananas... it's taking up half the screen (which looks even crazier compared to your 1-line comment). Just sayin' :silly:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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masaidjet said:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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Seems like a reasonable plan. I hope the mods consider it.
Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Might as well just make entire different sections like they used to. Including their respective general sections.
I agree with the idea what the original dev forums should be subforums on the dev forums, but I totally understand what the mod's were going for in regards to having a general section for all carriers. I'm assuming the idea was that it would create more of a community if we were lumped into one general forum, versus all being isolated by carrier. I wonder, if it was split up by carrier, if we would have gotten as much help from non VZW dev's who have come over to show us support. There might be a better way to organize things, but I also like the idea of a more connected community of SGS3 users across carriers
The other solution is to keep the QA, Dev, etc forums, but instead have subforums for each carrier. This way solutions that worked for all carriers could be posted in the main forum for each section, with carrier specific solutions in the subforums.
Galaxy S III Development
T-Mobile Development
AT&T Development
Sprint Development
Verizon Development
[Below all these would be a forum for development that crossed over between carriers, not necessarily for ALL carriers, but if there's any crossover]
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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Yea basically that's what I meant
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We need a Q/A section and a Development section beyond just the general. Is someone working on this?
Svetius is probably waiting until closer to launch for the development section, but I agree that section is the whole reason I wanted xda to support the adam.
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I agree. It would be nice to set up some topics NEATLY, i.e. SDK information, Rooting discussion, etc... How about three subs (i could be missing another few), the two you mentioned, Q&A and Dev, and also throw in Themes and Apps? January 15 can't come fast enough! Totally OT (another section?) anyone know whether the Adam uses SIM v. Micro SIM?
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We need a Q/A section and a Development section beyond just the general. Is someone working on this?
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Coming shortly! You're right, I was waiting for people to actually start receiving this device, but I'll add other forums sooner than later.
They're live:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=891
Enjoy
Honest question here.
Is it me or is the general section a complete mess now.
All of the old dev threads were moved here a while ago, and it has way cluttered everything up. I just saw a post for the new MIUI. Got a little excited, but made sure I read carefully. Nope, for NS, not NS4G. I hope the wrong person doesn't download that because it is just floating out here in the General vs in the proper NS dev forum.
There are 10 pinned topics. Seems that maybe they could be consolidated to less. I personally find it to be an eyesore. And it seems to be taking up valuable space .
Again, these are my opinions. I was kinda just hoping to get a general consensus here.
Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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+ 1 dahdahdoo
yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
brrip said:
yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
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I said this ages ago... It would work great and wouldn't be a disgusting mess that it is now.
Follow the leader @corythug
Just recently joined the ns community and yeah the general and dev section is a mess so confusing.
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Yes. I prefer to navigate this section on my phone so I don't have wade through so many stickys.
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Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
unfortunately the mods here care more about clinging to some imagined ideals than creating a place that's helpful for users. these forums are the most whacked of any phone i've owned.
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Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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This......
bdpyo said:
Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
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Definitely doing it right
Stock roms should be in Dev section regardless....they are in other phone sections
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IMO all roms (including stock, that should be pinned) need to be in the Dev section. It is a mess to need to find the threads for MIUI, pete's bugless beast and other roms in the general section.
stock ROMs are in Dev section
actual XDA home brew ROMs for NS4G / i9020 are in their respective Dev section
only the INFO links to off sites ROMs are in General
I don't mean to complain, but rather voice my opinion on the fact that these forums for the gs3 are just too messy. I don't think it's efficient to have one forum for gs3 themes when they're not compatible across different carriers.
I'm just saying that we're all modding our phones here, which we all know can end disastrously if something is flashed that shouldn't be. And it seems like every other post in the T-mobile development forums are people with Sprint variants asking questions about compatibility etc etc. I'm here to read about my phone, and mods that are applicable to my device, not people having problems or questions about a phone variant I don't even own. Not to mention it's annoying to see a theme I like, only to find out there's no version for my T-mobile variant.
I can understand the General/Q&A/Accessories forums being unified, but themes? It's already been clearly stated that they don't work across each carrier so why are they all mushed together in one forum? I liked the layout before; 5 subsections for each carriers device, and I don't think this new breakdown is as efficient as it could be.
Well there's different forums for each carriers Android development at least. But I agree I don't like combining all carriers into one general forum
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Agreed, this place is a mess. I can understand having all the US variants under one "main" section of the forums, but I would then have 4 subforums: AT&T, T-Mo, Sprint, & Verizon, and then each of those subforums have a General, Q&A, Development, & theme section. Leave the accessories subsection under the "main" US GS3 section.
Thank you for using this thread as a solution instead of adding much more "mess" to our section. Please take the time to enjoy our many other "mess" threads regarding your "opinion"
Here is an ideal one. :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734159
Mods should delete crap threads immediately
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1SiK1500 said:
Thank you for using this thread as a solution instead of adding much more "mess" to our section. Please take the time to enjoy our many other "mess" threads regarding your "opinion"
Here is an ideal one. :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734159
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I think that's kind of what OP is talking about. I saw that thread a while ago but haven't been able to find anything without spending 20 minutes scrolling. Or subscribing to every thread I read and wanted to get back to. Search has proven useless from the phone.
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Just an innocent question.
The three threads already here should be in the "Android Development" forum as they are about Android kernels.
This Forum seems redundant, or at very least lacking unique purpose.
I suggest that what's here be rolled into N7 Android Development, so that both readers and posters aren't confused about what belongs where. If not, the mods who created this forum ought to make clear -- in a sticky post -- the differentiation between what belongs in "Original Development" as opposed to "Android Development"
(.... unless someone knows something I don't, and there's a plan to port WebOS or Symbian to the N7 )
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them... I think this is a good move from the mods... Although, it can get a bit confusing, and we now have to check another place...
Anyway, I suggest you try to get this moved to q+a, as it isn't "original development"...
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el56 said:
@Mods: Is this forum needed
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@OP: Is this thread needed?
I some what agree with the OP. Only because this is a nexus device. So wouldn't almost 95% of all development for a nexus device "original development"? I could see this for the Samsung Touchwiz or HTC Sense device threads, because alot of those roms are just .zip hack jobs.
I concur with OP on this forum... It is basically just another dev forum, except now instead of 1, I need to watch 2 forums. Not really a big deal, just more of an irritance. Seems like the same thing could be accomplished by a regularly updated Sticky topic in regular Development that tracked all notable software for the Nexus 7 without needing a superfluous forum.
Maybe the android dev thread could be in the Original android dev thread? Like on android central.
I kinda like how you can sorta find what your looking for... but it seems quite confusing also at least for a while .. watching two forums now .. ugh
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mattmanwrx said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them...
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Well, that defines the first three threads in this forum, all about slightly-derivative kernels, yet are here because the devs think they're original. So I'm not the only one who hasn't read the split rationale.
What this particular split represents is a choice of two forums based on a totally subjective criteria -- whether it's "original enough". Will there be a litmus test -- like what percent of AOSP has to be replaced -- before something is considered "original"? And how does that split really help people find what they want in terms of features, maturity, etc.
I agree that splitting up a crowded dev forum is a good thing to do, but believe that doing it based on "level of originality" is a recipe for confusion and needless police-work for mods. Why not consider something more straightforward and easier to categorize? One possible alternative could be
ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
Yeah, I find this setup a bit confusing too, honestly.
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ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
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I'm lovin that idea. If were gonna have mountains of dev stuff, the more organized, the better.
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators.
So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
Beyond that, given how new the Nexus 7 is, it's extremely premature to conclude that the Original Development section will be a waste of space.
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Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
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Sorry. No offense intended.
Step666 said:
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators. So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
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Done.
I really don't like how there are separate general and Q&A forums on XDA. Makes no sense and it is a big reason that people are confused using this site.
Anyhow, IMO, it is fine to have separate developer forums, but not a general and a Q&A forum, those should be merged.
And whoever came up with the color scheme, fonts, graphic design of XDA clearly does not have any graphics arts training.
I strongly disagree. People just need to understand the difference between Q&A and a General discussion with anything Moto X. Those that can't follow the rules deserve swift moderatin' punishment.
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I strongly disagree. People just need to understand the difference between Q&A and a General discussion with anything Moto X.
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well they don't. And btw, what is the effing difference?
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Those that can't follow the rules deserve swift moderatin' punishment.
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great way to build a forum. NOT!
Cozume said:
well they don't. And btw, what is the effing difference?
great way to build a forum. NOT!
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That's how all threads for different phones are. The general section is used for general things like bootloader warnings, root, etc. Q&a are questions and answers only. I think they should have separate carrier forums..
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I really think we need moderator intervention, I haven't seen nor heard from any moderator. No warnings absolutely nothing. I bet I could probably mention CG name (anthrax)and I won't even get a mod to warn me that his name can't be mentioned in the xda forums
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Mods are sleeping on this forum, I concur. General and Q&A look the exact same for this phone.
I agree it's messy.
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I wish each variant had it's own(sub) forum ... Note 3 and other devices have a Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, etc. section. Why are all moto x's grouped into 1 place? I think sub forums based on carrier may cut down on some confusion/clutter ... Just my $0.02
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Thanks for the Input OP, Thread Closed....